ELEMENTARY OS 8 is all caught up, but is it enough?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@hamtaro126]

THUMBS DOWNER!!!

[@Mental_Patient]

@@hamtaro126 why?

[@askeladden450]

Most linux users might not be bothered by it but as a UI/UX designer, the lack of consistency in padding, spacing and icons in pretty much all linux distros is so annoying. It does make everything look way clunkier/cluttered than it needs to be. It does effect new users perceptions. This is one thing where all distros lag behind windows and macos. I even went through the pain of designing my entire custom icon set but a recent kde release broke it :( Now I'm just sad.

[@ThatLinuxDude]

Excluding ex-Mac users - I agree with your point in regards to them - you say that when even Windows can't be consistent for the life of it anymore - from several menu designs, to failure to even draw their own titlebar buttons correctly in various applications, inconsistent titlebar text placement, inconsistent titlebar heights, and so on. Sure, a Windows 7, or Windows 8.x even, user would definitely notice (because there was at least a decent level of consistency before Windows 10 happened, if you ignore Metro applications like most Windows users would prefer to), but... Windows 10 and beyond? If they call Linux out for it as if to imply Windows isn't also, then they're definitely just being hypocritical.

[@askeladden450]

@ThatLinuxDude windows is definitely awful in regards to ux. But in terms of ui, i think its still much more consistent than linux distros. I did come from windows to linux some years back and i did notice it pretty hard, even though i wasnt really deep into ui design by that point. It definitely is getting better, dont get me wrong, especially on gnome and kde, but still a bit to go.

[@iliqiliev]

What are you thoughts on Gnome?

[@bereck7735]

one of the reasons why I didn't really like desktop icons, on windows and Mac, desktop icons feels homogenous when they are placed next to each other, but on linux distros not really, and the padding just puts me off that's one of the biggest gripes I have with linux distros is that even though u can rice your distros and make them look like eye candy but the apps usually do not have good UI or just inconsistent UI. The biggest problem i think why linux has half baked UI is because there is not a standard UI design spec like windows and mac and Android has, each distro does their own thing or each DE has their own UI theme, some good some bad and this inconsistency just sucks the only distro by far that I have seen with decent design with linux mint, zorin, and elementary ( although not having a systray is really problematic ) but because I have gotten comfortable enough with using cli, i just prefer it over gui and it saves me time, but i want to switch out of windows and I want to do it soon, i had used linux before windows and because of reasons ( this and others ), I am still using windows for as a daily driver with wsl for my work, wsl is fine and if I want to run a GUI app in a linux distro in a WSL2 environment, i can just remotely share with x11 on windows and it works, but again, it's a hassle but I don't see this issue with inconsistent UI solving anytime soon

[@bereck7735]

@@askeladden450 windows UI, fluent UI is pretty good, it's just that windows has legacy UI and modern UI botched together which looks ugly, but if apps start developing apps with UWP and follow the win10/win11 design, the apps look really good one big example of this is the character app which shows all the fonts in ur system, a newer version of it is character UWP, which in terms of UI is a huge upgrade and looks really good

[@genblob]

Elementary is just not for me but I LOVE the look of their desktop. It's skeuomorphic in a way that fits in with modern aesthetics and I'm glad they haven't adopted the boring flat look of every other desktop. A little bit of shading and gradients can go a long way

[@TheKazragore]

Their Pantheon desktop is also the only one that includes Miller Columns in the file browser (what MacOS calls column view). It's SO good when implemented well.

[@titadelagarza]

There was a time I thought they were a bit dated, but now it looks like fresh air

[@WyvernDotRed]

Having gone to somewhat great lengths to make my KDE Plasma desktop look similarly, it's great to see that they manage to make GNOME look good too. Perhaps something to explore as the GTK theme, or look in the next 1-2 year cycle where I feel the desire to restyle my desktop.

[@FolklorCaduco]

@@TheKazragore Love Miller columns. I use ranger.

[@cannedCPU]

I couldn't agree more. I absolutely love skeuomorphic design, but there is a lot that can mess it up. I am glad that Elementary OS did not abandon this style, and they also manage to do it in a way that keeps the style modern. On a side note, I am also glad that Linux Mint has continued to support their old skeuomorphic theme Mint-X, while most other distros and DE have adopted the boring flat design. I was so disappointed when MacOS dropped their skeuomorphic elements in Big Sur.

[@savagepro9060]

Proton Mail? Damn. I kept searching for Protein Meal!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Hey don’t mock my runny nose and my accent 😂

[@Gabriel-jx4or]

@@TheLinuxEXP Oh, so you do have a cold! I just got some new headphones and was thinking "man, the bass on these is shit" 😂

[@cameronbosch1213]

21:19 "...and if you didn't like Elementary OS then why are you watching this video anyway?" Because I like Nick's videos!

[@yaolet]

to see what's going on without wasting time installing it.

[@krtirtho]

420:69 ...and if you didn't like Nick's video then why are you watching this video anyway? Because I like Linux and wanna support it

[@krtirtho]

I actually love his videos, this is supposed to be satire.

[@damolin77]

Because not everyone likes the same thing and some of us just want to learn what things are about so we can decide if it's right for us.

[@veco311]

I'll definitely try this. As a blind person, EOS seems like one of the rare distros that cares about accessibility. I even saw some EOS devs on a stream of another blind person trying it out

[@PyVerse-47]

how can you type if you are blind and how did you see another blind person trying it out?

[@ItsActuallyBunny]

@@PyVerse-47there are a number of accessibility tools that folks use like brail inputs, screen readers, etc. in this case “see” is a bit of a metaphor. But blind folks can and do use computers!

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@PyVerse-47 Blind doesn't mean "can't see anything".

[@veco311]

@@PyVerse-47 1. Look up what a screen reader is 2. Technically I listened to him, but blind people use the term watch because it's a bit weird to say "I listened to a video/stream"

[@veco311]

@@dustojnikhummer I indeed can't see anything

[@EkmekArasiKofte242]

Nice video. Get better soon Dear Nick!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thank you :)

[@bonkerbanker]

Ooh, whats up with your voice? Are you sick? 😢

[@masterbootrecord32]

I will be honest, I completely forgot this distro and this desktop existed. But what they have done with Wayland is amazing for a small team and I wish them the best on their project. Actually, I may switch my mom's old nugget laptop to Pantheon as she actually is using Ubuntu with a custom minimal Budgie session and X11 is buggy on her laptop.

[@MarcosCodas]

"We don't believe in fractional scaling" what an odd thing to say for people who obviously otherwise care about accessibility.

[@aarspar]

Ikr? The way it's worded, it sounds so privileged.

[@TopHattedCoder]

The founder just cares about "inclusive design" apparently fractional scaling doesn't count as inclusive lol.

[@iamowly]

elementary OS actually sparked my interest in Linux. Well now I‘m on Kubuntu, but I still give it credit for being my first step in ditching Windows :D

[@jimcabezola3051]

You MADE MY DAY! I wasn't keeping myself updated, and I missed the announcement of ElementaryOS 8. Style-wise, ElementaryOS is my jam! I hope you day is pleasant, too. I hope you are feeling better; your voice sounds okay to me, but it's probably hard for you physically to make these videos right now. It's more important to us all that YOU get your rest and healing. Wishing you much aloha!

[@MindBlowerWTF]

Not entirely on topic question, but still relevant - why nearly every distro feels there is massive need to develop their own ecosystem of basic apps, instead of just using someone elses up. Later on You can somewhat refactor the app so the unique GUI design choices (the title bar) are under the interface, so running such app on, for example, elementary, it will look like elementary and on Gnome like it would on Gnome? At this point we have 20 weather apps, basic notepad, subpar office suites, code editors, callendars, sound recorders etc. Everyone builts their app in somewhat portable way just to be a single user of it.

[@ph0ebus]

People can create whatever they want. If there's something which you want then do it yourself. Developers don't owe the Linux desktop anything.

[@outasi_official]

it's the xkcd-927, everyone is unsatisfied with the offerings and just makes their own that everyone else will be unsatisfied with, it's an eternal curse.

[@BitmapFrogs]

it's mostly made so there's a modicum of aesthetic compatibility for all or most basic use cases to avoid looking like a hodge podge of iu paradigms and design languages... and I agree with you, building apps so they're front-end independent is nothing new but at the end of the day there's a lot of insularity and there's no crossdistro communication to build these apps backend together to then put a front-end spin to them

[@MindBlowerWTF]

@@BitmapFrogs yup, also some distros are very opinionated while others would ship you a blank title bar if they could (which is also an opinion) :P

[@danieldover3745]

Ah nostalgia. Elementary OS was the first serious, long term Linux installation I used... must have been 10 years ago now.

[@RidgeRacer]

Yes, another fellow skeuomorphism lover! Nice overview Nick, the OS is very visually pleasant.

[@dodogobr]

I like elementary OS because it has a beautiful and pleasant design, installation, system startup, it's very fast! Version 9 promises to solve the issue of upgrading to new releases. Let's see 🙏 🙏

[@dominickrass8473]

I like the more calm and deeper voice. So calming. Get well soon

[@ant_aa40]

It's my favorite distro. The only thing I don't like is that they don't allow users to make folders in the application menu, I just do the category app menu which solves this. This change hasnt stopped me from using it though. Oh and I just realized I need to donate to them, please donate to ur favorite distro unless it's owned by a corporation.

[@chorba]

Who else remembers Elementary OS Luna and Jupiter? They were perfect and way ahead of their time in terms of design and ease of use. It's kinda sad seeing ElementaryOS in this current state

[@r3lativ]

What's wrong with the current version? It seems totally usable to me.

[@ShelbySann]

@@r3lativ Not necessarily that it's unusable, but rather there are better options out there. You can just use KDE or GNOME with the elementary theme on any other, more up to date or more stable distro. They only reason to use elementaryOS is the DE (Pantheon), and you can replicate its look, or flat out use it on Fedora. Back on Luna / Jupiter, it had an identity and it was my favorite distro. Now, the releases are so few and far between, and bring so little, there's very little reason to use it IMO.

[@chorba]

@@r3lativ it's not unusable, but they seem to be building a walled garden, just like apple, and they take a lot of freedom from users. This is why there are lots of better options out there

[@fowlerfreak7420]

Well, the lead developer, Daniel Fore, became mentally ill and decided that he would transition his gender to try and be a female, and so now he goes by Danielle Fore. This confusion and time-consuming series of events have led to Elementary OS falling further and further behind every year.

[@ShelbySann]

@fowlerfreak7420 So I’m a transgender man. Being trans is not a mental illness, so do your research before spreading hate.

[@guss77]

Fractional scaling isn't supposed to use the GPU any more than no scaling (i.e "100%" scale) - unless you mean the GTK bug where they don't have actual HiDPI support and instead they render everything at 2x and use the GPU to (blurrily) scale down some, which they fixed, I think? Real HiDPI support is just the toolkit rendering at a higher DPI, instead of the normal 96dpi, you'd render at 144dpi for "150% scaling" - and this isn't more computationally expensive. EOS 8's "not fractional scaling" looks awefully like proper HiDPI support - exactly what you get with Plasma - except the slider is interactive and doesn't have a percentage number showing.

[@ShinDMitsuki]

Any hopes of ever even considering this for use were immediately dashed when you said "the developer doesn't believe in it." I have a strict no "weird ideological hiccups that cause massive amounts of annoyance in daily software use" policy.

[@RogerioPereiradaSilva77]

Same. Besides, it is really a weird position to take, is it not? Being against a system tray when it has been a established desktop element for decades now and plenty of applications expect it to be there to provide all of their functionality? I tell you, GNOME started a really concerning trend among UI/UX designers...

[@cameronbosch1213]

10:38 Damn straight that I want this flat design trend to die faster than Internet Explorer did! 😂

[@erwinfeser]

Great news! The best of ubuntu, without snaps and with a better GUI

[@MrAlexFortis]

Pantheon is also a source of inspiration for GNOME and other DEs, at least it looked like it was the case. I am not sure it will remain as a good standart that other DEs will be compared, but for now it still is.

[@iliqiliev]

I think that Gnome and Elementary have a lot of overlap so it may be beneficial to join forces or something.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I totally think they should, yzah

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Gnome devs don't join forces with anyone. They don't even join forces with their own users. They have their own vision and that's it

[@pagenotfound_code_404]

just clone both repositories and git merge them :trollface:

[@b0t123]

They kinda already do, it's not uncommon to see a elementary dev on GTK/GNOME discussions

[@Tragicomedy2137]

@@NJ-wb1cz Some of the GNOME devs also worked on ElementaryOS in the past (or still do). These two projects are pretty close. No need to be an asshole.

[@nichtgestalt]

Thank you very much for the video and get well soon! It's always nice to see Elementary OS getting some love on this channel.

[@uuu12343]

I think the problem with putting Wayland as a default is that they need the stability in what is already a small project that is still catching up to the other projects in terms of user base, defaulting to wayland will burn the bridge even before they could cross it No doubt, once they are better and more familiar to Wayland, they will default to Wayland but as the saying goes: do not bite more than you can chew. Dont default to wayland just because everyone is doing it, doing it even when you havent got it right (or worse - its broken) makes it worse and would push users away before they even get bigger

[@juli0q]

ElementaryOS was my first Linux Distro. I have still fond memories of that time. I kinda want to try it again

[@cameronbosch1213]

I probably never was the target audience for elementary OS as a former Windows user up until Windows 10 (with Windows 11, I dumped Windows hopefully forever), but it's always sad to see good ideas and good projects go downhill...

[@shubhamsharma775]

Tbh I still think that EOS has a better personality than GNOME and KDE, I wish it was a bigger distribution than it is

[@Soccera0]

The super key also doesn't open the menu on mate because... It doesn't really exist on mate.

[@bvd_vlvd]

"NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO GIVE US FRACTIONAL SCALING, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS IT!!!!!1!1!!!" "I do not believe in fractional scaling. 🗿🗿🗿🗿"

[@n1ghtglare]

Makes it completely unusable for me, but at least they get to keep their ideals

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@n1ghtglare yeah, it's not a question of beliefs, but of what screen and vision you have. If you bought your screen with fractional scaling in mind, it's not really a matter of beliefs or opinions if you need one or not. But you can follow those belief and buy only thw screens that you can use without fractional scaling

[@eduardoscorpio]

shit like this is why people use Elementary OS less and less

[@softwarelivre2389]

​@@NJ-wb1czwhy doesn't the scale setting work for you tho? Third-party programs?

[@NJ-wb1cz]

@@softwarelivre2389 it works fine on KDE

[@2greenify]

Always enjoying your video's, thanks! PS you sound different that usual, I hope everything is fine.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I am a bit sick, yeah!

[@2greenify]

​​@@TheLinuxEXPI hope you feel better soon (and sound French again).

[@AhmedFaisal13]

About the accessibility, I remember that elementary used to have full screen zooming, doesn't that work on its Wayland varient?

[@xard64]

For my taste the old 10.3-4 OS X look hit the sweet spot in terms of how keyboard and mouse driven operating system should look. While Elementary is using more dull plastic and matte look instead of metallic and glossy look of OS X it still uses skeuomorphic design, colors and gradients which is really nice! Also giving such an easy access to font size adjustments is more than welcome. Usually desktops hide these settings in shame in the depths of configuration or place them mostly out of reach of regular users like Gnome fearing that doing any changes will break something. All this even though we can have different size screens and with laptops the built-in screen can require different settings than external monitors due to different DPI of the screens. Making these kind of basic accessibility features to be as difficult to access and change is... bad design (I'm staring sharply at you Gnome).

[@CathrineMacNiel]

TIL that you can Super+Number on the Gnome Dash to open the given application, thanks Nick!

[@MrMysticphantom]

Elementary my dear Watson

[@ChrisSears_KY]

You are ahead of DistroWatch with this video. They haven't posted an announcement for the new version yet.

[@ltnicekiwi4534]

I dunno about passed.. KDE still has unconfigurable touchpad gestures, GNOME extensions are still a stability nightmare, then there's the speed of the system and lack of snaps. It's got a lot going for it still by default.

[@shameless_2]

Please no snaps. Flat is enough.

[@GSBarlev]

Agreed. Danielle and team beat a lot of similar projects-Budgie, MATE-to full Wayland support (and while they got pipped by COSMIC Alpha, that DE still has "alpha problems" and also lacks an X11 fallback).

[@ltnicekiwi4534]

@shameless_2 tbh snaps are awesome, they're just not great for desktop, I wish flatpaks were as powerful as snaps. :(

[@GSBarlev]

While my main machine runs COSMIC these days (tiling ❤️), I have elementaryOS 8 running on two other machines¹, and it's been lovely. Smoothest Wayland experience I've had on *any* OS, and I learned a long time ago that, at least where single-monitor systems are concerned, font resizing > fractional scaling all day, every day. Thanks for the coverage, and I hope you're feeling better! ¹My work laptop (a Framework 13) is still on 7.1, and I'm weighing when and if I can afford the downtime of a full OS reinstall.

[@Clickworker101]

it looks so good

[@carotteatomique]

honestly the lack of fractional scaling is the only thing keeping me from using elementaryOS... i love the way it looks, the way it feels, it's one of the OSes that's the most fun to use IMO and I like that, but no fractional scaling makes it unuseable on my laptop... i hope it's there in eOS 9 🤞

[@eduardoscorpio]

not going to happen

[@ItsActuallyBunny]

We have support for it in Pantheon but it’s still experimental in Mutter. I would say it’s very like to be supported in OS 9 but depends on upstream mutter!

[@Tragicomedy2137]

@@ItsActuallyBunny > but it’s still experimental in Mutter I thought it's default in 47. Can you expand on that?

[@softwarelivre2389]

Why doesn't the scale on the UI solve this for you? Is it due to third-party programs?

[@carotteatomique]

@@ItsActuallyBunny oooh awesome! thank you for your work 🧡

[@StarlordStavanger]

This video just reinforces I have zero desire to use Elementary. To be fair, it was really interesting back in the Juno days, but this distro simply offers nothing I can't get elsewhere and done better. It's just too opinionated, too stagnant, too behind every other distro. I appreciate your video Nick, but man it was tough watching this video till the end.

[@MindBlowerWTF]

they have great implementation of Picture in Picture. I looked and failed to find anything that is even close to it.

[@lateralrook]

3:17 They said... that they don't *believe* in fractional scaling? A feature that's been around since 2012 and that all the major OSes support perfectly well? They don't believe in it? I don't BELIEVE Linux on the desktop will ever be popular.

[@ZeerakImran]

True. Lack of fractional scaling support is a deal breaker for me. its one of the few things this distro could have had going for it which would really force people to use it. Now its just clunky kde left.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

DId you even watched a video? ElementaryOS have alternative for that. BTW, you could spare yourself that lame last sentence.

[@lateralrook]

@@Tragicomedy2137 just as how linux will never be popular on the desktop, you will never be a woman.

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@Tragicomedy2137 Text scaling is not a replacement for fractional display scaling...

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@ZeerakImran Indeed, KDE on Wayland is the only DE with fractional scaling

[@CAZOlsen]

Hmm looks very good and polished and now they finally have flathub enabled I might just try it out thanks for the video

[@byrongilbert3720]

I hope they fixed the issue of installing nvidia drivers

[@emshomar]

Get well soon!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks!

[@AndreaBorman]

Elementary OS is not really for new users as many of the settings to customize it are locked down. Also the Pantheon Desktop from which this is based doesn't allow icons to be pinned to the desktop. When I tried this desktop I also found the software center didn't have much software in it. I think the Cinnamon or KDE desktop is better as it's more user friendly and suited to new users than this.

[@Lampe2020]

9:08 On MacOS the Window$ key is the Command key. That's why the Command key on a Mac keyboard is interpreted as the Window$ key on Window$ and Linux.

[@baltmatrix]

I tried installing ElementaryOS 8 on several different laptops and only Intel machines booted to the desktop. All AMD machines booted to a black screen. But then I ran updates on the Intel machine and it too booted to a black screen. I don't know what's going on. I was able to replicate the issue in a VM on two different desktops as well. One AMD and one Intel (both with nvidia graphics cards).

[@shameless_2]

Didnt have that issue. I use intel + nvidia.

[@WhatzHappeningNow9]

I can't believe it's still not possible to upgrade lol

[@TheLinuxEXP]

They really need to handle that

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@TheLinuxEXP That needs to change. Like, every other distro that uses point release bases can do an in-place upgrade without needing to backup your files and reinstall the entire system from scratch. That would be a massive deal breaker nowadays for me to deploy it on any daily driver system I owned.

[@felixcosty]

The one think I love about rolling release is not having to upgrade, like on Mint, the thing I hate about rolling releases is they all think they have to be cutting edge. Need rolling release but 6 months old from cutting edge.

[@Eng.Danilo-UFR]

At least From 6.1 to 7 it could be done in the "Debian way", altering sources files etc.

[@jaypatelani]

Well same for CentOS. I guess system design choices restrucin😅

[@eac531201]

Hope you feel better soon!

[@Slugbunny]

Sinusitis solidarity. 😷 Get well soon and thanks for the showcase!

[@thefanboy3285]

What's that fractional scaling feature that you keep on talking so much when presenting a distro ?

[@NJ-wb1cz]

It's when you aren't limited by multiplying sizes of everything by 2, 3, 4 etc times, but can do, say, 1.25 - making everything 25% bigger

[@someguy9175]

ElementaryOS looks so gorgeous.

[@mttkl]

I remember being soooo excited for ElementaryOS Juno back in 2018-ish after testing Loki on a VM. I loved the consistent UI and UX, the app catalogue and the native apps/programs, they were so far ahead in many aspects (the app PIP feature was awesome!)... But then they lagged behind really hard and I just forgot about them :( Happy to see they're still going at it though and I might try it on a spare laptop, but sadly there's really not that many objective reasons nowadays to use this daily instead of other distros and DEs :( And I agree 100%, skeuomorphism should come back!

[@mkedzier123]

Wow, OS in 2024 that doesn't have fractional scaling? Plus ability to set difference scaling for different monitor is a new, just added, feature? How far behind other OSes is this - 10 years, more?

[@rc-alexshush]

16:30 - the down arrows. Look at them! They spaced differently from the right side. How is it, Elementary?!

[@donkey7921]

How do they just decide not to believe in fractional scaling? That's insanity!

[@ThatLinuxDude]

To be fair, their replacement is arguably superior in some aspects - iirc the way their text scaling works is that it scales the UI based on the selected text scale, just like one of the scaling methods available in Windows's win32, meaning there's no way for its result to involve blurring (e.g.: on icons).

[@ZeerakImran]

Kde is the only one that supports fractional scaling. It’s broken elsewhere

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@ZeerakImran it works on Windows just fine. And even more importantly, it's simply required on a lot of screens. How would anyone use 4k 31" display without it? 100% is too small and 200% makes it pointless compared to 4k 27"

[@LinuxIsForAll]

It's always good when The Linux Experiment drops a new video 💪🏻

[@THeck_23]

Did you change your microphone? Sound is different then anytime else?

[@UltraCenterHQ]

It's weird how inconsistent the sizes are. Some buttons are spaced like an old type design, while some are spaced like it's a modern, mobile type design. It's kinda like Windows

[@RakibHasan-hs1me]

If it doesn't break I am definitely making it my main distro.

[@GSBarlev]

I have elementary 8 running on my couch gaming PC (7840HS) and a set-top PC (3400G), and once set up, it's been rock solid so far. The couch gamer has been a better experience under Wayland than under the "Classic" session, which is the first time I've said that about Wayland, lol! Not a bad idea to wait a month or two-the installer had issues outside safe graphics on one machine, and dual display didn't work until it miraculously did on another-but I'd say it's definitely ready for primetime. Now if only I could get the Pantheon Arch group working...

[@OOO-mn1ds]

Is pantheon still a thing? I've had problems trying to install it on arch

[@MindBlowerWTF]

Pretty sure they said that there is no manpower to help/fix using pantheon on non elementaryOS distros for now. That can change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[@nlsoon4927]

When I change the dock size, the icons are half-imaged. The internet browser did not open. The wireless mouse charging rate seems incorrect. By default, file opening is one click. Unfortunately, it is not a different distribution from other Linux distributions.

[@sandman4you]

Kudos for your review of EOS. I really enjoyed it, and appreciate your perspective. I also agree 100% with your comment on icons, a personal pet peeve.

[@VascovanZeller]

As a casual user, currently on Mint, should I consider this distro as a daily driver for casual web browsing, light office tasks and AAA gaming? Or just stick to mint cinnamon?

[@charautreal]

Stick to mint, there's is no real reason to change

[@Tragicomedy2137]

I would consider them (Mint and EOS) equals. So yeah, not worth switching imo.

[@AlexanderMikhailov629]

The way I see it, as a fellow casual, is that we're not limited to certain distros in the first place, we can jump anywhere we want just because we can, so it's up to you. I personally prefer eOS because I want my linux desktop to look like Mac out of the box, but if I have someone who migrates from Windows, my pick would be Mint.

[@gedgicat2063]

Great informative video. Didn't know this was happening today. I really like the simplicity of elementary OS, with the power of Ubuntu under the hood. Microsoft could learn a thing or two from them.

[@RexRex-n5t]

It's an okay distribution, the development team has a lot of drama and also it's sadly a LTS distro.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

What kind of drama do they have?

[@leonidd00]

After using windows for 10 years, the eOS was first linux that I used on daily basis for half of a year. Even though the eOS 7.1 had some bugs in the file browser, slow working app center, double icon issues on thier dock and sometimes even freezes, I have to admit that I somehow still like that distro and keep an eye on it. Would like to try version 8, but I need fractional scaling on wayland and I got used to stable, nice looking modern fedora 41.

[@Destide]

For me it feels like Elementary, Solus, Zorin all came out about the same time did a few really cool things and then that was it.

[@smashSpikeMC]

ah ELEMENTARY os I remember playing through oblivion for the first time on it using my wacom as a screen on a broken laptop, life was going a bit to wrong at the time.

[@floweringmind]

I found Elementary UI clunky and inconstant. The installer was confusing and I thought that I was reinstalling because it asked me for keyboard settings for a 2nd time.Tried installing Vivaldi via a deb and it required installing a font before it would work. Don't like how there is no window minimize, but if you install other apps they have minimize. The dock doesn't work great and is often hidden unless you change the setting. So I often found myself closing windows to get to the dock. Opening multiple apps I found challenging switching between them. I am sure once you get used to Elementary it is fine, but is feels pretty rough for a new user. I am sticking with Zorin OS.

[@shameless_2]

Any chance getting desktop-folder to run properly (!) on version 8 ? I tried it and can get it to work, but it breaks fullscreen mode in other apps (vlc, gwenview,...) . In Version 7.1 everything was smooth using desktop. Love the flatpak support though. Elementary OS would be great if somehow I could get desktop functionality to work (shortcuts and the like).

[@agoniavr]

You mentioned trying Elementary OS 8 both on a real machine and in a virtual machine. May I ask you which VM it was? I'm trying to install it in VirtualBox, as I always do, but it's not working. It correctly selects the Ubuntu base, I enable EFI, I give it all the GPU memory I can but when it boots it reaches the desktop and there's a white rectangular window, which I suppose is the one where the installation process should start, with nothing inside it.

[@thetechdog]

Have they figured out upgrading from version to version yet? Even ZorinOS got that problem fixed.

[@lamaschera6321]

is Twek on default?

[@704Productions]

Thanks Nick, great video as always! Hope you get to feeling better soon!!

[@fredericjaquet3729]

On entend la grippette qui progresse ! Gingembre et jus de citron et d'abondantes cuillères de miel ! Bon rétablissement !

[@TriaMilia]

I always like to see how is elementary os, even though it's not nearly sufficient for my needs yet, I've been checking it out since 2020 and they're still not there, but I suppose in about 3 years they might change my mind

[@michaeleber4752]

After seeing this video I decided to finally give it a try. I've wanted to experience Wayland but as you said ... Wayland with Mint??? Thanks for this video! (BTW -- I've been a paying customer of Proton Mail as well!)

[@pakiw2]

Problem with flatpak is in permissions, for example waterfox will never be able download anything, even you allow it in flatseal. Reaper will never have permission to have access hardware sort of things and etc. It's convenient for non important programs. But considering something hardware permission dependent, flatpak just can't be an option just by flatpak idea as being containered individually apps.

[@rodrigosoler1]

Lack fractional Scaling again!! So I can't use the distro, sad about this.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

I wish people would watch and listen carefully... They have alternative for that.

[@rodrigosoler1]

@5fr4ewq for a laptop screen and additional monitor? I need fractional scale only on the laptop screen (125%) and normal scale on the external monitor. How to do this?

[@Tragicomedy2137]

@rodrigosoler1 i cannot say anything about additional monitors :(

[@rodrigosoler1]

@@Tragicomedy2137 that's why I can't use elementary os. Regards

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@rodrigosoler1 On Elementary? You can't, and 5fr4ewq defending this in every comment can't do anything about it either

[@ttya5520]

As far as my experience with 8.0 is that its not stable. Me and several people were unable to get it to boot. Black screen after installation and nothing more. Switched back to Fedora 41 KDE after a day of wasting time on it.

[@shameless_2]

Had no issue other than desktop-folder app not working properly with apps in fullscreen. So I just removed it again and use e-os without desktop shortcuts (the way it's meant to be used anyways).

[@Deezter16]

poor Nick, I hear you should be in bed getting better. Get well quick

[@GrishTech]

They don''t believe in fractional scaling? No thanks.

[@sylvershadow1247]

It's similar to how macOS does things. And we know where they get their inspiration from

[@ZeerakImran]

I mean other than kde, Desktop linux sucks with fractional scaling.

[@yeezet4592]

With gtk, font size increases basically work for most people.

[@Alex_Dumitrache]

I used to love elementary, but I think Gnome got most of the things elementary had apart from the nice aesthetics.

[@PenguinByte]

Great release!

[@eddieoconnor4466]

But can I UPGRADE from 7 to 8??....they promised us when moving from 6 to 7....that 8 would allow someone to UPGRADE without having to re-install the OS. If not?...then I may have to abandon them. I LOVE 'em?...and have them on a desktop in my home office...but if I have to re-install the OS and then go through the entire customization again?....then I'll have to pass and maybe move on to say...PureOS?...or maybe even straight Debian.

[@greenboy59]

Elementary Os, ma distribution du cœur. La seule qui me permettait d’avoir toutes les fonctionnalités de mon MacBook de 2006. Je suis plus sur Fedora maintenant mais qui sait, Elementary pourrait revenir sur l’un de mes PC 😊

[@prakhars962]

get well soon buddy. The weather has been really last few days in western Europe.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

One thing Elementary os has going great is the installer. Perform an install and dont need to set up a user. on first boot up, then the user sets their account. great idea. Why doesnt other Linux distros just do this ? Makes my life a lot easier when new users want to try linux and they feel they are getting a fresh out of the box experience

[@BeefIngot]

I've been interested in proton for a while, but I kinda must want email and to pay for like 2 years or more in advance so I'm never worried about losing anything by missing subscription timing.

[@Stef.Cata051]

I don't care for another distro... bring mainstream support for linux in a larger variety of apps

[@Tragicomedy2137]

10:47 No, please dont. I love my adwaita icon theme

[@jaypatelani]

Nice video. Also you should mention only DE licensed GPLv3

[@outasi_official]

No fractional scaling because "they don't believe in it". Stuff like this is why linux will never be mainstream, too many people in the space have the "no, you shouldn't want to do that" attitude.

[@miangraham9999]

Get rest, feel better soon!

[@fabriciusfab]

Hope you get better soon!

[@50-50_Grind]

It looks amazing. Booting up Virtualbox to give it a try.

[@AlexanderMikhailov629]

I was waking up at 3 am when I see this drops, it was 2 days after I put Elementary on my pc, while it kinda sucks I need to reinstall, but hot damn the stuffs they add most of them is basically my gnome extensions being native + Wayland so it was worth it.