Eliminators in Codex Space Marines - How Strong are They? Unit Review and Thoughts

[@roguevector1268]

There's that constant struggle with my marines and a Vindicare. My Vindicare dropped Trajann with his pistol once. He's made an excellent case for himself.

[@patrickdixon5692]

Australian dollars are called dollaridoos, please use the proper nomenclature

[@PipoZePoulp]

Do Aussies still call credit cards "plastic magic"?

[@patrickdixon5692]

@@PipoZePoulp None that I know, but it is a big place, and there are a few I've not met

[@PsykoChomp]

@@patrickdixon5692just a few

[@bravghede]

Also it would good from an accessibility POV to invert the video 180° so that Australians are able to watch it properly.

[@patrickdixon5692]

@@bravghede We are used to upside down things now. Most Australians are proficient hand-standers to accommodate

[@samlowdon313]

I take them with a Phobos Librarian in the Firestorm Assault force. This means they can move up to 18" while still firing and cant be targeted outside of 12". Loads of utility and quite threatening with the added psycic attacks

[@scolack123]

How do they move 18? You cant use advance on both of their movements when using carbine

[@samlowdon313]

​@scolack123 the Firestorm Assault force gives their weapons the assault key word so they can move 6" advance up to 6" shoot then move 6". Max 18" move min 13"

[@Xynth25]

Haven't tried it yet but on paper I'm a big fan of slotting a Phobos Captain in with these guys in the Vanguard detachment. Getting a 2nd use of the +1 BS/+1 AP strat each turn and the good redeploy ability are attractive, and there's an enhancement that works like the Sgt's ability so you could put Las Fusils on all 3 eliminators. Effectively getting fire and fade can help protect these guys or let you double-move onto an objective.

[@UltraMeanMarines]

I would agree, before they confirmed that Infiltrators isn't used on the redeploy. So Not a bad defensive ability, but it isn't great.

[@95bever]

The move shot move only works if the sergent has the instigator... Not the captain

[@Isaac-ze4fl]

​@95bever Yeah but one of the Vanguard detachments enhancements gives move shoot move to the unit

[@Calvin_Coolage]

​@@UltraMeanMarinesWe still don't know for sure if they're going to apply that to the general rules of 10th, it may have been a band aid fix for that specific tournament.

[@UltraMeanMarines]

It is a GW commentary on the rules@@Calvin_Coolage - so yeah, it is basically saying that is how the rule should be used.

[@UltraMeanMarines]

Worth noting - the instigator bolt carbine has a misprint either on the Index cards, or on the app, as it is two damage on the index cards as shown above, but three on the 40k app at the moment.

[@mobisev]

it should be 2 damage with the new codex release

[@UltraMeanMarines]

@@mobisev I mean, I agree, but the app is supposed to be the most up to date?! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Liberate1990]

@@UltraMeanMarines Codex are automatically out of date, stop buying them. Go by the app.

[@maridan48]

Had them with a Phobos Librarian and Anvil Siege, with the +1 to wound they can threaten some tougher vehicles and monsters and the lone op + infiltration means you might not even have to move them from where you deploy them. Specially if you position something in a way that can easily fire back at whatever gets into the 12' range for shooting them. Maybe not THE best investment, but something fun that can make use of the Anvil detachment ability.

[@HighlandPhoenix]

Eliminators, like Suppressors, should be 3-6 model unit…

[@richarddixon1450]

100%

[@boozeybatman]

Totally agree 5 to 10 is excessive but 6.... yes please.

[@boozeybatman]

Supressors definitely need to see some love. But a gravis jumpack hq for inceptors???? Shut up and Take my money

[@HighlandPhoenix]

@@boozeybatman Blade Guard Veterans needs to be 5-10 just like Stern Guard Veterans however...!

[@Rinzler86]

I'll keep them a ten🎉

[@HelmandTemplar]

Ive made a Phobos only Raven Guard army after a few games I really feel these guys are the back bone of my 1k point army ( 1x Las fusil & Bolt carbine, 1 x Bolt sniper & Bolt carbine) I’m currently making a 2k army and adding in a 3rd squad of these (Las fusil & bolt carbine) to pack a punch. Once my opponent kills these though my army really has lost its bite.

[@Dragonspirit223]

I've been dancing around with Eliminators and a Vindicare, something I want to try eventually is a Spectrus Kill Team with 2 Eliminators, 2 Suppressors, and a Incursor packed with a Phobos Librarian. Seems like a fun combo to have, just a redeploying brick of decent damage output that either can't be shot or is slightly harder to hit, plus there's always the Helix Gauntlet to add a bit more protection and worst comes to worse we have 5 spare bodies as meat shields

[@BuddyWithTheSideburns]

I find Deathwatch buffs can really make the difference with these guys, especially where Las Fusils are concerned. Your Lethal Hits round can help them punch above their weight class if you need somethin' big taken out. Sustained hits gives you a better chance at landing Devastating Wounds. Stick a couple of Bolt Snipers in a Spectrus Squad and they also get access to DW ammo Stratagems. Precision Weapons with Anti-Infantry 2+ are nothing to sniff at.

[@joelhenry2527]

I’m running 2 units (2 las and instigator in each) alongside infiltrators and another infiltrating unit (often an assassin) - when the new scout. I’d releases for kill team I might shake that up, but the 2 eliminator teams have been doing good work for the points and I really rate their turn of speed when it’s needed

[@osogitzgraymane72]

Without special rule interactions, you can not (dis)embark out of or Or into vehicles during the shooting phase. It only allowed normally during the movement phase as part of your movement for the turn. (Or the vehicle is destroyed)

[@AshleyBlackwater]

Probably running my (heavaly converted) eliminators as a legends scout sniper squad most of the time instead. Same 75 pts, for 4 scout sniper rifles and a missile launcher, with a psudo long operative special rule. I just like the idea of feilding 5 models instead of 3, and the special rule is fun :) If I can afford it pts wise then sure, running 2 eliminator squads instead for the extra power works to though.

[@TonyRedgrave]

I'm currently running Deathwatch in the crusade being run by my wargamming club. I've got 3 teams of eliminators with Las fusils in my list to give me some much needed anti-tank fire power. And I gotta say, I absolutely love these guys. They are able to do surprising amounts of damage to hard targets, are very cheap, and they have an extremely low threat profile. I mean, it's just three dudes. They have stealth, cover and are probably out of your range. Why would you bother focusing them when you have a 13 man kill team knocking on your door.

[@Psychick312]

I feel like the eliminators are going to be slept on in the anvil detachment. 1cp to give them reroll wounds or crit hits on 5+ with sustained 1 if they’re stationary. Rerolling could really help them punch up against vehicles, or sustained could get that one or two extra hits with precision which just might be enough to kill that character. I fully plan on taking them in my deathwatch with this detachment, I don’t really care if it’s competitive or not, it just seems like a blast to play as an unyielding gun line.

[@InsongWhang]

I run mine in an Impulsor, but I don't do the double shoot cheese. They're still fun ad solid shooting.

[@brennangum6236]

I took a unit with a phobos captain because I wanted to test out his shenanigans in a game. I also gave him the vanguard ability that allowed them to move shoot move. It worked nicely. It also wasn't an ultra competitive game. But a unit of 3 las fusils and the captain was actually pretty dangerous to the elites he brought. I wish they would change the rule to say any unit with an instigator combine gives them the ability so you didn't have to spend points if you have a captain leading them.

[@Lomhow]

Phobos lists unite! I'll be running 2 squads of Eliminators, one Las the other bolt. I'll be running hella Infiltrators and a small squad of Incursors. THEN I take an equal amount of Reivers to my Infiltrators.

[@MrAndy365]

Anvil fun: 2x elims remain stationary so get +1h/w and dev Ws. Then they move to get in an impulsor which also remained stationary. Total 8 lasfusil shots with +1 h/w. Will come up 1 game in 10 but hilarious if you can pull it off 😂

[@The7guys]

I'm a Deathwatch player, and I would've loved to use these in a Spectrus Kill Team, but ever since Gee Dubs confirmed that we can't use the Infiltrate keyword with the Kill Team's redeploy ability, it's a lot less attractive. I'd rather run these as a standard squad with Las Fusils and have them sit on a balcony in a tall building for the entire match, in order to utilize their devastating wounds ability in combination with Special Issue Ammo stratagems.

[@darko-man8549]

Agreed

[@Try_Again_Bragg]

I am more shitty that Deathwatch arent able to split squads. My whole phobos Deathwatch army had to get rebuilt.

[@zaganim3813]

you cant use special ammo on las fusils any way wtf are you talking about

[@Try_Again_Bragg]

@@zaganim3813 There was a time you could lol

[@CajunJynx]

The Phobos Captain I run with them’s redeploy still works.

[@jordonquinlivan9316]

I use 2 squads in each army in 2k points 1 with normal snipers 1 with las fusil they do amazing everytime tried scouts and vindicare and they just do so much more

[@RevanR]

Not deadly as 9th with loosing weapons profile yet still deadly with proper support

[@KiwiSpartan01]

I was disappointed in that. It's what got me to put them in

[@musicalcharge]

Las fusils go great in ironstorm!

[@lcdrfish8633]

Very frustrating that GW keeps using monopole versions in box sets. I picked up the vanguard task force for the suppressors a while back - the eliminator came with only bolt sniper rifle - and no carbine for the SGT - and not even a good fit for the Las fusil bitz I picked up off ebay.

[@Iceknight101]

yesterday my 6 elims were pinned down and boutta get charged by a korn berserker squad, but my enemy forgot about climbing down walls, so my redemptor saved them while the elims proceeded to slowly kill angron throughout the game and winning it for me

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@willshields4480]

I play DEldar, and these guys tear my HQs apart.

[@Donovaneagle2098]

So now that Librarius conclave is out, there's a great synergy with the instigator bolt carbine and Phobos librarian. Since the stratagems requires a librarian to be 18 inches from the unit it's targeting, getting all that mobility makes your Phobos librarian a great support unit for a wide area of the field. Also in the biomancy discipline, they can move 16 inches a turn

[@Josh-zd9pq]

Doesn’t it say in the rules that a unit cannot embark in a transport the same turn it disembarks? I could be wrong though. Either way great video as always

[@horst5558]

no, only the same phase, unfortunatly. so yes raw its possible, but we all know thats not intended.

[@Josh-zd9pq]

@@horst5558ah right. Thank you for letting me know. Very funny rules interaction

[@scelonferdi]

Imho they should've been 2 sniper-spotter teams from the beginning, being separated on deployment.

[@Ryuu87]

To be honest I think the eliminator squad has it easier now as before. The absence of the sniper scout squad is just it.

[@danguhzone5130]

I do like using these guys as a distraction team. Maybe killing characters while the rest of my army closes with. If im lucky with terrain, ill be scoring primary with them every turn they survive

[@95bever]

The move shot move ability is only valid if the sergant has the carbine, not if the captain has one, per wording in the ability " if the eliminator sergant is equipped..."

[@MonoZeus]

@@theviewbot No, you're incorrect. OP is in-fact correct. The wording is EVERYTHING in 40K! According to the rules as written, you can ONLY shoot move IF the Eliminator Sergeant is equipped with Instigator Bolt Carbine.

[@GeoffSmites]

@@theviewbot it specifically says it on the datasheet....

[@Michaelkayslay]

They just look great. They are snipers !

[@FNoelle124]

So could you do the trick with ratling snipers too? They have a move shoot move like the eliminators do

[@joshy7759]

My sneaky list is so bad, but I just needed to have 9 las fusil that can move shoot move. It's hilarious.

[@scolack123]

Except you cant You can run 3 sets of 3 with 6 las fusils and 3 carbines for move shoot move Or 9 las fusils that cant move shoot move

[@joshy7759]

@@scolack123 wrong. One group lead by a Phobos Captain, the other two lead by Phobos Lieutenants. They don't use the move shoot move from the instigator carbine.

[@ethanhansen87]

​@@joshy7759Sadly, phobos Lieutenants can't lead Eliminators. Would be nice if they could, but Eliminators are not on the list they can lead.

[@joshy7759]

@@ethanhansen87 omg 😳. With all the play testing I've done with that list you're the first person to mention that. I've fixed it now though, so much much appreciated! ...I can't believe no one else noticed that before, I'm kinda blown away. Only mixed up some proxying though so I guess no harm no fowl.

[@viridisxiv766]

a unit that HAS options, and ALL of them are viable....bloody hell.

[@maishufoxx]

the vanguard task force is no longer available on games workshop

[@intense_pickle]

Put 2 units with las fusils in an impulsor with a shield dome and you get one of the best tanks in the book. 6 shots of S 9, AP-3, D6 damage with some anti-infantry firepower, a 5+ invuln and devestating wounds if it remains stationary. Firestorm gives them the assault keyword and S 10 within 12". Look past the unit's profile and think to yourself "what can I combo with this".

[@Youschnoob649]

I thought about putting this in ironstorm within the lethal hit bubble. But the impulsor is only toughness 9 and it’s expensive to run it… Think just a repulsor executioner is better for that points, or a redemptor for less points

[@Livid72Des]

Sadly the devastating wounds while stationary does not apply while in the impulsor. Since the unit itself is technically not on the board. Still six las fusils is nothing to sneeze at.

[@user-kx2uz6vo9g]

​@@Livid72Des has this rule been confirmed? I have been wondering about the whole stationary while in a vehicle thing.

[@Livid72Des]

@user-kx2uz6vo9g If the ability is a keyword on the weapon, it's fine. The problem is that the "devastating wounds while stationary" is on the eliminator's datasheet ability. So, for example, the precision ability is usable because it is a part of the weapon bolt sniper, but the devastating wounds are not because it is to the eliminator per condition.

[@user-kx2uz6vo9g]

@@Livid72Des ah that's too bad I was planning for that combo, definitely still nothing to scoff at w/ 6 las shots, I won't be doing the bolt carbine double shot in-out disembarking cheese. With the limit of 6 in the impulsor is really does feel like eliminators are the perfect fit for the firing deck though.

[@adamanderson234]

Can anyone here tell me if my Eliminators with 2 Bolt Carbines and 1 Las Fusil is usable in a game and/or effective?

[@wither5673]

Oh I see how it is, its dishonorable when the raptors do it but its A OK when the blueberries do it!?!! I love Eliminators, finally some pragmatic units.

[@PallaDrak]

I thought you couldn't embark/disembark in the same turn? Am I missing something as this was faq for the Firestorm stratagem

[@hidekitojo9906]

I thought exactly the same ! Haha. Lets see some feedback ?

[@solowingpixy8190]

9:07 people keep saying the unit is firing twice when its not.

[@johnlowkey359]

That Impulsor gimmick is hilarious. I also don't want to play anyone who would want to run that combo.

[@OrigIswed]

Ow no I dislike the rules so I won't play against it. Grow up.

[@TheLloydro]

Found our rules cheeser@@OrigIswed

[@Ottakazi]

Hear me out: -vanguard spearhead -take 2 units of elims and a invictor. -elims screen out deep strike -invictor between the two -enemy deep strikes in -use redeploy strat before they can charge -enemy sitting with dick in their hand -invictor charges them next turn -murder insues

[@WilliamSabio]

Does the tactical war suit shoot back if the eliminators are shot at?

[@rain6353]

Yes.

[@AcoylteKraven82]

4:48- This might be one of my biggest complaints about 40K gameplay and how the rules are wrote out!!! Like this rule and many others if you that rule to someone that has never played this game before and never seen it used they will think the rule/rules mean one thing! But the same rule to a vet player and someone that has seen it in action they see it a completely different way!?! So I’ll ask, so does that mean that if your “snipers” (these 3 guys) move at all in the game they lose those orders for the whole game? Or let’s just say they only move in the first round to get a better spot and you just got to the 3rd, 4th round….. do they still not have those keywords anymore? If they don’t, then they better have something that allows them to be put down out of the deployment zone!?! If not, that makes no sense!!!

[@EwenRicky]

They already kind of FAQ the shooting twice (one out of vehicle ) in the 40k tournament FAQ... so its already a no go in that tournament and will be the norm

[@mentok1]

I thought that tournament rules set wad only addressing one use only weapons, but I may have misunderstood it.

[@GeoffSmites]

@@mentok1 it was 100% about one shot weapons. and it was not an official FAQ, only the tourney FAQ.

[@MultiValkirie]

The latest version of the app has 3 damage on the instigator still??

[@GeoffSmites]

Just checked-and yes it does.

[@boozeybatman]

This video feels like auspex has just thought about them and not played them on board. Las fusils including Sergeant with phobos librarian is very good tactic. I've used them alot lately and if you screen well with other units near by then they so annoying to the other player. OK perhaps not essential but if your list building they are also extremely cheap to fill up your points. Depending on the foe its either these or inceptors as an auto include for me.

[@zaganim3813]

i run 9 las fusils with the captain to line up an alpha strike, its damn near always devastating with deathwatch. especially if i can opo tome of the ectoclades same turn to fish for devs and get other units on target

[@ReadThisIfYourG3y]

Where are le thousand sons and our tier list?

[@horst5558]

can we all just agree, that the double shoot with impulsor is not intended and stupid. and that people who use it are just bad for the game.

[@yerayvillaverdel6583]

10:28 que reglas están usando para que una unidad que desembarca pueda hacerlo en la misma fase? Está muy claro que eso no se puede hacer en el reglamento básico, y ese vehículo no tiene ninguna regla que lo permita, creo..... Si me lo aclaran por favor gracias . No hay ningún fallo en las reglas, lo que hay ganas es siempre de los jugadores retorcer las reglas para beneficiar su juego. Hay que leer bien las reglas. Y si esto se está haciendo en torneos .......el juego se va al carajo, si encima no hay control por parte de la organización de los torneos......mal van.

[@gurkhatube]

Vindicare took down a helbrute first turn. For that reason alone he gets the nod. Also I run him in GK primarily. But i do have an UM 2000pts

[@darko-man8549]

They are cool models, but they are definitely a unit that should have been “options” for other Phobos. And as you said, these compete with scouts. They feel like a unit that was added by someone who didn’t know how the companies work in 40k and just said “hey, what about space marines with snipers” - it’s just part of my dislike of the Primaris

[@Maecii]

If eliminators are capable of doing anything then this would be failing me constantly... Just never lucky I guess

[@locutus9956]

The impuslsor thing is CLEARLY a case of RAW not being Rules as Intended and anyone who tries that in any game casual or otherwise is a massive dick in need of a slap. No. Bad. Theyve already covered similar attempts at abusing the firing deck rule in the recent tourney FAQ they clearly just havent covered this specific one. The Firing deck rule is clearly meant to represent the units within firing and is just worded to mainly mean the units within dont get to use all their specific special rules etc for simplicity its not meant to duplicate the contents if theye already done something that would prevent them firing. I would always play it that it counts as the vehciel firing but you can only use weapons from the itnernal guys that would otherwise be able to fire if they were disembarked

[@OrigIswed]

You have 0 evidence of this. How is it clearly a case? The RAW is clear, everything else is conjecture. Is it unintended because you said so? Should I listen to your take on the rules and your opinions in each game I play? I'll start messaging you going forward to verify if any of the rules I use and how I use them is as intended.

[@colinmcdonald5666]

​@@OrigIswed​​ If the opportunity arose, would you also shoot one-shot weapons a second time after embarking into transports, too, then? Just curious if you are consistent in your obliviousness to RAI and blinded by RAW power-gaming only.

[@OrigIswed]

@@colinmcdonald5666 now that GW have ruled against this in worlds I would say the intent is clear. There have been no GW rulings on the eliminator move embark start so far. Ruling based on intent is fine as long your basis of the intent isn't- I don't like it. This isn't even a busted strat for the same cost of 2 units of eliminators and an impulsor you could get a repulsor. If I had to rule on my perceived intent, then I wouldn't allow half of the interactions of the Aeldari index in game. Ow you have fate dice, seems like it isn't intended to get a guaranteed devastating wounds, sounds too broken.

[@Legal-Ade]

Laz Eliminators we’re hit incredibly hard by the oaths debuff. I used to get first turn tank kills with two squads of Laz before they nerfed it. Probably a good nerf overall though. Oaths was too strong.

[@patrickbaillargeon7568]

Scouts are way under costed

[@Youschnoob649]

They’re eclipsed. You can almost get 3 scouts squads for cost of 2 eliminators, and they can go back into reserves in opponents turn, so are perfect for secondaries. Also are so cheap that they don’t feel bad to move block vehicles with. Elims are good, but scouts are where it’s at

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Eliminators and Scouts fill entirely different roles in an army list.

[@DukbI4]

1 A for model its not enough.

[@OrigIswed]

Funny when a rules interaction is labelled as 'abuse'.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@anerzee]

Woop! Do you ever get any sleep mr? :D

[@lachlanf3530]

:)

[@NornQueenKya]

People keep telling me snipers are great but... I just never see them snipe anyone

[@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs]

A friend of mine who plays Templars gets good use out of Eliminators tbh, they do great against my Eldar and also to snipe Necron characters out of another friends lychguard and warrior blobs

[@Falamee158]

Yeah… if someone did the Impulsor Gimmick on me, I’m packing my models up, declaring a loud “Eat Sand”, and departing. And I play Space Marines.