Eliot Jacobson Talks California Rainstorm, Doomerism, Green Energy Lie, Saving the Planet

[@cheeseandjamsandwich]

The key, is us NOT shying away from talking about population. Our overpopulation. The simple, easy option is to just say "if you want to help out in the biggest way possible, choose to have fewer kids. As this help with everything, simultaneously"

[@genericanimename6733]

I get that overpopulation is an issue, but I always feel gross mentioning it because I know precisely the kind of people it attracts.

[@cheeseandjamsandwich]

@@genericanimename6733Yes. I know. But we kinda have to push back. And if we're only asking people to choose to have fewer kids, everyone, everywhere... then they're crazed accusations of inhumane population control and eugenics, which are sadly common, they don't stand up. We're only asking for people to help. Just ask them: Does solving climate change get easier or harder if we continue raising our population, keeping it the same, or decreasing it. We can ask this basic question for every issue. The other big push back is from parents... They naturally think we're 'blaming' them... So we have to correct this by explaining that our overpopulation is in fact due to our amazing ability to keep kids, and mothers alive, more than families 'choosing to have too many kids'... The universal reduction in TFRs in the developed world is undeniable, but it lagged behind the progress we made to keep kids/mothers alive and fed. Plus, we all need reminding of who benefits the most from reducing our overpopulation... The kids.

[@volkerengels5298]

plus: If US-Americans and Europeans shrink drastically in short time - we're in a fare better state. It's not the same with Senegal, Bangladesh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(100 commas or more)

[@bill8985]

Wasn't it Al Bartlett that posed the challenge (paraphrasing): "name one problem that is better solved by having more people." I was a young kid in the 1970s and realized just by watching my rural community have housing tracts spring up all over the place that human population was a huge problem. And that was long before I learned of the Population Bomb book or Jay Forrester's World1 Club of Rome earth model. It was so obvious - even to a 12 year old. I vowed to never have children. One fewer child per family has about 120 times more impact than replacing a gasoline car with an EV.

[@cheeseandjamsandwich]

@@bill8985 I looked it up: "Can you think of any problem on any scale, from microscopic to global, whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way aided, assisted or advanced by having larger populations at the local level, the state level, the national level, or globally?" - Professor Albert Bartlett. That is a very robust statement. Absolutely there will be a few problems with changing demographics, from a reducing population... But those will pale into insignificance compared to all the prolems they will lessen, eliminate. Worrying about your share holding value whilst your house is burnt down or inundated in a storm surge is a bit short-sighted, blinkered... We have to realise a couple of things. 1) Population multiplies and divides everything... It multiplies emissions, footprints, land use, sewage, resource use, water use... And it divides the available land, resources, water, food, etc. etc. etc. etc. 2) Humanity, Civilisation, by definition, is all a waste of time, energy, resources, everything. Anyting beyond keeping us alive until on average 2 of our offspring are old enough to have enough offspring such that on average 2 of their's survive, is a waste... This is what separates us from almost every other animal, or species of any life... We've got good at gaming the system such that we have an excess of time, energy, resources, such that we can waste it on stuff... stuff like art, tv, music, football, computers, fashion, theatre, furniture, jewlery, pets, festivals, museums, holidays, books, games, flying, guitars, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... So as we realise that we've eaten into the Earth's reserves, that can't replenish fast enough, and as our pollution builds up, all these things will gradually become harder and harder to justify doing, having... For some, it'll be quite sudden. We on average will be to afford less and less humanity each.

[@uhadonejob]

A rare situation these days where the interviewer and interviewee are both impressive.

[@santabarbaratalkswithJosh]

Thank you, much.

[@celestialteapot309]

As a non car driving elderly Communist who has never flown, l do not need to change anything; l saw this coming in the early seventies. The country which needs to change most still calls selfish individualism freedom. lt's all over folks, we chose death.

[@Regi869]

Congratulations

[@jeromethibodeau4378]

Give this man a prize!

[@tomt55]

Not to mention the single largest pollutor on earth is the US Military. There has been very little actual mitigation done. CO2 emissions are increasing each year, especially since the COP conferences began almost 30 years ago. It's estimated that there is at least 3-4° C warming built in to the system, if we turned everything off today. Honestly, we would have had to made significant change and mitigation over 50 years ago to even have a chance.

[@JMW-ci2pq]

“CO2” is the tail of the dog being used to control the conversation. All thermal mass being unearthed is the actual cause of heating and bio-complexity reduction. This is a much more complex conversation with a much more obvious conclusion.

[@luciarixon1857]

This is one of the better more thoughtful conversations thank you one. The greenest things that you can buy are to use what you allready own. This especually applies to cars and apparel.

[@treefrog3349]

The quasi-religious belief in "Human Exceptionalism" is our "Achilles' Heel".

[@SamWilkinsonn]

“Yes”

[@faza553]

1000 BCE : 50 million 0 : 170 million 1800 CE : 1 Billion 2024 : 8.1 Billion (Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States by James C.Scott)

[@volkerengels5298]

"Coal increases the number of children - with oil the increase is even faster" Or do you have another plausible reason why the population exploded - in Europe!!!@@faza553

[@TCRgalaxy]

Petroleum based Parasitic Plague Phase aka 8.2 Billion and still growing WASF

[@illuminatusprimus3683]

Great Interview Joshua! Loved every bit of it… and thank you Prof. Jacobson!

[@santabarbaratalkswithJosh]

Thank you, appreciate it.

[@treefrog3349]

Overshoot is the "bottom line" foundational cause of all our problems yetis is almost taboo to bring it up.The perpetual growth paradigm is good for business. Greed is NOT good!

[@TennesseeJed]

Eliot is one of my favorite ecologically minded doomers!

[@peace_oceans]

Love these two together. Always a discussion of value.

[@TheDoomWizard]

I'm a doomer. It took me 8 years to reach acceptance.

[@thunderstorm6630]

is there any short cuts?

[@jonquiljones]

​@@thunderstorm6630Believe what you see. Don't try to escape our Fate. Breathe. That's all I've got.

[@thunderstorm6630]

thx@@jonquiljones

[@JohnnyBelgium]

​@thunderstorm6630 Yes! A shortcut to acceptance are psychedelics. I wrote a guide to psychedelics to prevent bad trips: johnnybelgium.blogspot.com/2022/09/johnny-belgiums-psychedelic-trip-guide.html

[@MichaelScoates]

Very wide-ranging discussion, covered a great deal! Loved the question regarding "How did you become a Doomer?" Thank you both very much for your time!

[@louisehoff9467]

What an excellent interview about the unpredictability of these recent storms but also Prof. Jacobson’s life experiences that have shaped his knowledge about our current stage

[@xenocampanoli815]

Again, Doctor, I agree with your recognition of the patterns, and even that government stimiulus for more "green" does not help. But there is a legitmate objective of smoothing out the decline, as in doing so, and using it to help everyone as much as possible understand the reality what is going on, that reduces our risk of net damage during the decline. If at some point everyone in Puget Sound gets so desperate that they take out the remaining fallow forests in Olympic and Rainier National Parks, perhaps the entire Cascades, then in the longer run we will be worse off. If we keep people delusional, we may do the same thing. But if people can see the long term needs, and understand them, we have a greater likelihood of preserving such resources, and perhaps even bringing some back. At one time most of the food in the PNW was fisheries. That is presently 95-99% gone. With understanding and preservation we might bring that back, and given the average travel of our food right now is over 1000 miles, that may be the ONLY thing that preserves any population at all in the Puget Sound Columbia River Region.

[@gautingmusik9561]

49:33 environmental movement has lost its way by now being focused on on technology 49:39 that's going to preserve a lifestyle and a way of living rather than preserving the natural world

[@JMW-ci2pq]

Yes

[@unclepete100]

Thanks for that interview, great work guys👍

[@Lyra0966]

Yeah, I just had to turn off another Jacobson interview cos the interviewer wanted to drone on and on as much as his guest. Mr Molina is a far better host.

[@deirdreryan6253]

The older generation can support young people moving forward, ease the pressure. Great chat

[@stanwillenbring]

Great discussion of those big issues. Way beyond the ARkstorm.

[@kathrynpyke1955]

Great overview! Ty!

[@clarkdavis5333]

It was reported today that we passed 1.5c probably a decade ago, and we have now most likely passed 2c.

[@rapauli]

I can let go of hopium, but I would like to retain civility. Mad Max is growing.

[@robertmikes619]

We would not have these problems if we followed nature and kept our population at two billion but we allowed religion /govt and corporate greed to encourage growth / large familys to overwhelm the planets finite resources and our last hope might be if AI steps in and rebalance if it even cares about this species !

[@jonquiljones]

That's Bargaining. It's not going to happen. It's already too late. What's been done cannot be undone.

[@RenaeeChurches]

Keen to know what the Australian doco that Elliot will appear in?

[@tommynickels4570]

I 100% support Mother Nature and celebrate everytime she wallops humanity.

[@deirdreryan6253]

If Hansen is right, then we’re talking about a “just in case he’s wrong scenario”, right?This earth will go on with or without us

[@JMW-ci2pq]

Sure. In 10’s of millions of years enough of all the displaced material (thermal-mass) will be returned to it’s relative inertial state of origin for the oceans to return to the beds and tides that have existed since complex life evolved. In 100’s of millions of years the crude oil will be regenerated to the volume needed to regulate thermal and continental pressures in the amount needed for complex life to return to the density that was prior to the hairless-talking-monkey’s emergence. Quite a statement of hubris you make.

[@danielpawowski9965]

doomers of the world, unite!!! 😀👌

[@sentientflower7891]

If you wonder why environmentalists aren't proposing shutting down the economy rather than EV, windmills and solar panels the answer is very obvious: the general public would never vote for such a policy even under the threat of death. Even environmentalists want money, enjoy shopping and feel a need to drive and own a big house. Although these behaviors are fatal to the human species they aren't negotiable until the laws of physics enter the negotiation.

[@JMW-ci2pq]

All those things you think help don’t help at all.

[@sentientflower7891]

@@JMW-ci2pq they help but only trivially. They don't address the problem as climate change is a problem only solved by civilization ending.

[@tomt55]

Also, under current for profit economy, capitalism, I don't believe it's possible to make this change. Same thing goes for the threat of nuclear war, that won't change under capitalism either.

[@biashacker]

It is so refreshing to listen to a realist like Eliot.

[@mrrecluse7002]

I'm also a doomer, in my case meaning I think we will see losses in the billions of humans, (if not total extinction), but I have to say that even though I can objectively admit that I think the best thing for the health of the biosphere is a total extinction of humans, it's not something I wish for. Eliot seemed a little cold-blooded, to me, in that he seemed to, in a subjective manner, to wish for this to occur, and seems to refer to his concern for his own kind to be limited to a handful of people. His defense is consistently that he is an environmentalist, which seems a bit inadequate, when he explains it to mean we should just sort of welcome this process of collapse, because the sooner, the better for the planet. He is probably technically correct in that assessment. But to actually wish for it would make my blood run cold.

[@jonquiljones]

Telling is not wishing. This is messenger blaming. I've seen it a lot.

[@mrrecluse7002]

@@jonquiljones I'm not going to listen to the entire video over again, but I sure had the impression it was his wish as an "environmentalist", and I'd venture to say I wasn't the only one who perceived it. It was hard not to notice it.

[@jonquiljones]

@@mrrecluse7002 Whatever you need to tell yourself right now is fine. Good luck - brace for impact.

[@mrrecluse7002]

@@jonquiljones Well, I think I just need to speak the truth, as I perceive it. You sound a bit condescending here, but that will be fine too. Good luck to you, also.

[@jonquiljones]

@@mrrecluse7002 Thanks!

[@brycecounts3168]

disintegrated social-material circuits. we thrived under these conditions in our prehistoric past. even pre-industrial tech, look at the difference between large warlike native nations and the peaceful, flourishing groups under 300. size of group integration is a difficult to see at first but critical parameter for human flourishing.

[@alexspringett]

such a good point at the end there about tree huggers.....they are seen as nut jobs. We really do live in a mad house !! great conversation

[@kukkaFeatures]

Not much future left (generations) not much time, the end is nigh. There won't be future generations to teach Eliot's knowledge to 🤷‍♀️

[@roberthornack1692]

The aerosol masking paradox ensures that reduction in the cooling effect of atmospheric aerosols in greenhouse gases will only exacerbate heating! Better to keep those planes flying if we want to prolong our stay, since there is no way out!

[@JMW-ci2pq]

No “Aerosol masking” is a misnomer. It does not cool the planet. Heat is more efficiently moved into the oceans.

[@sharonhall1909]

Too many ads.

[@santabarbaratalkswithJosh]

Thank you. Those are automated

[@Pay-It_Forward]

fast track Nuclear!!!

[@songsfromtheheart-timdowli3785]

It is not good climate science to conflate climate with weather. Nor does it help the climate science argument to sensationalise current weather conditions by referring to a once in a 150 year rain storm which did not happen.

[@sentientflower7891]

Awwww, climate truther!

[@JMW-ci2pq]

Ignorance is bliss huh? Earth is being desiccated at an increasing rate. Earth loses H2 leaving behind the O due to accelerating thermal-mass loading of both atmosphere and oceans. Ocean rise due to thermal mass increase is logarithmic (expansion). Ocean Heat Content (Science Talk With Jim Massa): kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ-Wc2yXpcihh6M Ocean Temperatures for Last 700000 Years kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4quloZ_Z8xmsJY There is no mistake as to temp increase overall b/c of humans. How much energy and resulting heat and waste and unearthed material does it take to support one human for one day Living within an average to low income civilized environment? Technology is not going to save us, ecology will! | Theunis Piersma | TEDxFryslân kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWfGk4GVebdrfKM It takes @least 3square miles of healthy wild-lands to support one one kg hawk. It takes x square miles of healthy: tropics; reef; glaciers; etc to support each and every 3square miles of healthy wild-lands for each and every 1kg Hawk and so on… For each and every volume of healthy wild-land & for each and every 1kg hawk a minimum volume of healthy reef; varied types of forest; grass-lands (like savannah); glacier; potable water;etc . Is needed This ratio holds for nearly if not ALL vertebrates (yes this includes ALL monkeys, even the hairless ones). Ergo the number of any apex species is limited to the benefit of all others which promotes bio-complexity. This obeys thermodynamics and gravitational harmonics. ~90% of All anthropogenic thermal mass since slash & burn (including heat and CO2) is in the oceans. Ocean Temperatures for Last 700000 Years kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4quloZ_Z8xmsJY There is no mistake as to temp increase overall b/c of humans. For each added milligram of any thermal-mass: mined; drilled; burned Earth's rate of heating accelerates continually. Earth's Atmosphere&Oceans experience an increase in avg pressure. Earth's Oceans experience an increase in avg rate of expansion. Earth's rate of out-gassing H2 increases Earth's rate of Bio - Complexity Loss increases continuously. Earth's rate of Extinctions of Species and Life Viable Eco-Systems Accelerates. MEERs incoming energy is largely micro-wave earth and oceans take up nearly all of this. What is emitted must pass through the atmosphere (see isothermic atmosphere). Emitted energy is an anagram of the motion of earth including its em field. Reflected light is a red shift. ergo momentum is lost to both reflection and gravity&spin. aerosols think of thermal expansion laws. exciting aerosols causing force (motion) putting pressure on the surrounding atmosphere. ie heat source now distribute that thermalytic pressure isometrically vuala! into the oceans with it following thermal-mass-density physics In open space, How do aerosols behave in relation to & with solar radiation and Sol’s Gravity? 6th Grader: Picture the Earth Add a hand crank above the atmosphere at both polls. For every calorie of energy added to the surface (-11mi from bottom of Marianis Trench to top of Mt. Everest) there is the affect of pressure increase. For every volume of bio complexity lost, incoming solar plus geo thermal energy is unbound other than being used in anthropogenic systems. Ergo scalar heat. Add industry. The affect is increasing pressure against the direction of incoming radiation and against EarthGravity(effects of thermal-mass expansion. Inertial state change with respect to angular acceleration with respect to Earths rotation et-all). The big hand cranks should be in equilibrium with both upwelling thermal-mass & incoming thermal-mass. The hand that "twists" the cranks (like squeezing the atmosphere & Earth between thumb and forefinger) is spin and rotation of Earth (sort of a spiral within a spiral; PhysicsGirl on KZbin did vid that shows this motion). Pause Ice under the cranks causes thermal-mass to condense more efficiently. "MEERs" reduces this efficiency. Aerosols increase the efficiency within the max/min of the bound system. Angular Momentum Demo: Hoberman Sphere(Professor Boyd F. Edwards): kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGXXXpeMqamqobM Solving one of the toughest Indian exam questions (angular momentum & velocity) Tibees kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqm7pqJvqtCJrrc Why are there TWO high tides per day? Dr. Becky kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6Obanydr9iAjM0 JEE Advanced Problem #146 (Isothermal) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpXCeK1qfdipea8&lc=Ugz19VheHi-1w7Djrgp4AaABAg.9bu62Y a1jXN9bu_kf1mRYs Solution to Problem #146 - Isothermal Atmosphere kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn7LfJ2oaNl-nq8 Damped Harmonic Oscillators -Physics This Week kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6XOqKaNj9Oja9E wHk&index=311 Nuclear Bomb Test Data Was Used To Discover That Earth Core Is Oscillating Anton Petrov kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2i2qpuwYriHiJI When Water Flows Uphill kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKuumKGEfNarg9k Earth is a Dynamo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKLQd4yrrZqXjtk For every milligram of material that changes it's inertial state/position relative to core and mantle there is added cavitation system wide that translates to CC/heat PhysicsGirl Cavitation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJPKp4SEnat3itE Earth's Plate Tectonics May Be Actually Driven By The Moon, Study Suggests Anton Petrov kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIHRno2ZobCYrNU Humans extract&relocate ~30Billion Tons of material/yer not includingice melt. Science Talk With Jim Massa - Antarctica, Greenland's Ice Loss kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGqsnqJmebqki7M Glaciers Are Disappearing Almost As Fast As You Can Ski Down Them | Climate Games Physics Girl kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX-kiKGQaZ6Enrc Tech weighs more than all organisms (Science Talk With Jim Massa): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqm4XnufiZiLgNk lol Black Bear News (Kevin Sandbloom) www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/22/worlds-consumption-of-materials-hits-rec ord-100bn-tonnes-a-year

[@porqupine-ridge]

I think this guy is extremely wronng about EVs but otherwise on point.

[@ImproveYourMagic]

I own a EV. They create more habitat loss than a regular car.

[@porqupine-ridge]

@@ImproveYourMagic Ugh. That's pretty hard to get past... I could understand the limits to mineral resources but at least they can be recycled as infinitum once extracted. Oil on the other hand is not sustainable at all. Thanks.

[@ImproveYourMagic]

The Marine life doesn’t care if a portion of EV batteries are recyclable. This emphasizes Elliot’s view that todays “environmentalist” has shifted to preserving the modern shopaholic lifestyle for as long as possible, at the expense of any or all species and ecosystems, furthering the collapse of Earth’s biosphere.

[@ImproveYourMagic]

Today’s modern ‘environmentalists’ believe that the 2nd coming of Da Vinci is just days away! And when his reincarnation swoops in, he will deliver schematics to the world. Schematics to permit their shopaholic materialistic lifestyles without consequence. Schematics to force a Planet to bend at its knee and take heed of Da Vinci's new generation of technologies. Modeled after the M-class planet _RISA_ on Star Trek.

[@ImproveYourMagic]

Good news released for new investments in renewables!! Indonesia is currently building several BRAND NEW *Coal-Fired Power Plants* to produce 'eco-friendly' electric vehicles and batteries! These new Coal Plants include the aluminum smelters and nickel and cobalt processing facilities to turn Indonesia into a global hub for the electric vehicle (EV) and battery supply chains. Coal currently accounts for around 43% of grid electricity, making Indonesia one of the world’s top fossil CO2 emitters. We only need to build a few hundred more coal plants to meet the current demand for renewable energy!

[@ReesCatOphuls]

Josh: yes Money. Human centric Gains beats biophysical Reality in the short term (like my parent's lifespan). Pensions, lifestyle, holiday, status, 24/7 ice-cream. Disposable income gives access to magic (anything you desire). Urban humans are separated from the natural world, and the natural environment is an abstract distant thing you might visit.

[@faza553]

The Illusion of prediction. Bottom UP > only trajectory of meaningful action.

[@cheeseandjamsandwich]

I would argue that us not going 100% nuclear in the 70s was our downfall. And everything would have been better. This i reason is due to the almost universal observation that we chose to have fewer kids in the rich, developed countries, where the conditions were good. Having the immense amount of energy, deployable anyway, and with enormous energy security, would have led to a lot more of the earth's countries reaching that threshold where the Total Fertility Rate would plummet below 2.1... All while not emitting any CO2... So the climate change threat, that we face today, would still be decades away. Realising that 1/2, one half, of all of humankind's emissions have happened since the 90s! So now we really do have only one option for energy. Nuclear power, nuclear generated electricity, nuclear generated industrial heat. Wind and solar simple cannot do what is needed. It's not feasible. They generate tiny amounts of electricity, and only intermittently. And ironically, not when we have many of the peak demand periods. Plus. Electricity is only 1/4 of our energy usage. Then don't help at all with industry, heating or transportation & plant fuels. This is bolstered by the fact that splitting the atom is 1,000,000 x more energy dense than burning fossil fuels... The thing it has to replace. And No, we're not going nuclear to just keep the flow of BigMacs uninterrupted... Almost all of our humanity is driven, enabled by energy. Without it, we loose our humanity. All the fun, nice stuff. So we have to address our population size, by choosing to have fewer kids. To reduce our population. AND build nuclear power plants everywhere... That'll mean we reach a point of true 'sustainability' sooner. The goals always getting closer... Not moving further and further away. And do many other things, of course...

[@roberthornack1692]

Going nuclear on an overheating planet is the dumbest decision ever! Messing with the atom ensured that there will be no life to recover after the subsequent meltdown!!!

[@cheeseandjamsandwich]

​@@roberthornack1692 This isn't how it works. The fear of nuclear we've had, has been unfounded. We know A LOT about radiation, radiation exposure, accidents, the effects, etc. and they're simply not anywhere as bad as we've thought, been told. Chernobyl was just an abomination of a design, and they had to disable most of the safety systems to do the test they were planning, and the delay put it in the position where it could only fail... combined with the soviet secrecy, denial culture. That's changed. And all our reactors simply cannot fail in that way. Fukushima suffered 3x meltdowns. After surviving the mag 9.0 earthquake... And only because of a fundamental human blunder of putting the backup generators in the basements. The 3 only suffered hydrogen explosions because they were needlessly scared to vent the containment. Still no one has died from any radiation related causes at Fukushima.... But we killed 1,500 in the mad, panicked evacuation which wasn't needed. Almost all of the area evacuated needed to only shelter in place. Details matter. We love scary stories, but the actual details matter, and should be used for decision making. When we look at the available technologies for energy generation, nuclear is not only the safest (because it generates SO MUCH energy), but it's also the cleanest (because it generates SO MUCH energy, and the plants last 60-80-100+ years)... Plus, it is the only energy source capable of replacing/displacing fossil fuels, and the otherwise amazing service they provide us (whilst then killing us with the emissions, pollution, accidents). We ONLY have nuclear. Do remember, that for nuclear to kill as many people as coal does, we'd need at least one 'Chernobyl' per day... And that's with coal running normally, without its horrific list of accidents. Do you live down-stream from a Dam? They're by far the biggest killers in the energy accident stats. They're all getting old, and as Elliot explained to us, the atmosphere is now holding a lot more moisture, and the rains will get a lot heavier. Dam accidents will be regularly on the news going forward, sadly.

[@roberthornack1692]

So what happens when society collapses as the planet heats up & our crops are destroyed. Don't think anyone's going to baby sit a nuclear facility in starvation mode!

[@JMW-ci2pq]

BS

[@JMW-ci2pq]

Earth is being desiccated at an increasing rate. Earth loses H2 leaving behind the O due to accelerating thermal-mass loading of both atmosphere and oceans. Ocean rise due to thermal mass increase is logarithmic (expansion). Ocean Heat Content (Science Talk With Jim Massa): kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ-Wc2yXpcihh6M Ocean Temperatures for Last 700000 Years kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4quloZ_Z8xmsJY There is no mistake as to temp increase overall b/c of humans. How much energy and resulting heat and waste and unearthed material does it take to support one human for one day Living within an average to low income civilized environment? Technology is not going to save us, ecology will! | Theunis Piersma | TEDxFryslân kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWfGk4GVebdrfKM It takes @least 3square miles of healthy wild-lands to support one one kg hawk. It takes x square miles of healthy: tropics; reef; glaciers; etc to support each and every 3square miles of healthy wild-lands for each and every 1kg Hawk and so on… For each and every volume of healthy wild-land & for each and every 1kg hawk a minimum volume of healthy reef; varied types of forest; grass-lands (like savannah); glacier; potable water;etc . Is needed This ratio holds for nearly if not ALL vertebrates (yes this includes ALL monkeys, even the hairless ones). Ergo the number of any apex species is limited to the benefit of all others which promotes bio-complexity. This obeys thermodynamics and gravitational harmonics. ~90% of All anthropogenic thermal mass since slash & burn (including heat and CO2) is in the oceans. Ocean Temperatures for Last 700000 Years kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4quloZ_Z8xmsJY There is no mistake as to temp increase overall b/c of humans. For each added milligram of any thermal-mass: mined; drilled; burned Earth's rate of heating accelerates continually. Earth's Atmosphere&Oceans experience an increase in avg pressure. Earth's Oceans experience an increase in avg rate of expansion. Earth's rate of out-gassing H2 increases Earth's rate of Bio - Complexity Loss increases continuously. Earth's rate of Extinctions of Species and Life Viable Eco-Systems Accelerates. MEERs incoming energy is largely micro-wave earth and oceans take up nearly all of this. What is emitted must pass through the atmosphere (see isothermic atmosphere). Emitted energy is an anagram of the motion of earth including its em field. Reflected light is a red shift. ergo momentum is lost to both reflection and gravity&spin. aerosols think of thermal expansion laws. exciting aerosols causing force (motion) putting pressure on the surrounding atmosphere. ie heat source now distribute that thermalytic pressure isometrically vuala! into the oceans with it following thermal-mass-density physics In open space, How do aerosols behave in relation to & with solar radiation and Sol’s Gravity? 6th Grader: Picture the Earth Add a hand crank above the atmosphere at both polls. For every calorie of energy added to the surface (-11mi from bottom of Marianis Trench to top of Mt. Everest) there is the affect of pressure increase. For every volume of bio complexity lost, incoming solar plus geo thermal energy is unbound other than being used in anthropogenic systems. Ergo scalar heat. Add industry. The affect is increasing pressure against the direction of incoming radiation and against EarthGravity(effects of thermal-mass expansion. Inertial state change with respect to angular acceleration with respect to Earths rotation et-all). The big hand cranks should be in equilibrium with both upwelling thermal-mass & incoming thermal-mass. The hand that "twists" the cranks (like squeezing the atmosphere & Earth between thumb and forefinger) is spin and rotation of Earth (sort of a spiral within a spiral; PhysicsGirl on KZbin did vid that shows this motion). Pause Ice under the cranks causes thermal-mass to condense more efficiently. "MEERs" reduces this efficiency. Aerosols increase the efficiency within the max/min of the bound system. Angular Momentum Demo: Hoberman Sphere(Professor Boyd F. Edwards): kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGXXXpeMqamqobM Solving one of the toughest Indian exam questions (angular momentum & velocity) Tibees kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqm7pqJvqtCJrrc Why are there TWO high tides per day? 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