Doomer Dr. Eliot Jacobson talks Hurricane Hilary, Phoenix Heat, Canadian Fires, Ocean Heat Rise

[@roberthornack1692]

Doomers are realists that don't bullshit us with endless hopium!

[@SuperReznative]

Planned parenthood was banned from schools by concerned parents.The earth is not over - populated,,fact checked. The wildfires in Canada have been started by arsonists ( including gov.), as well as mis- management by "environmental meddling"of deadfall build up., chemtrailing,

[@ceeemm1901]

Yep. The human egotistical arrogance that thinks that we can fix this shit, is the same human egotistical arrogance that got us here in the first place.

[@bélalugrisi]

I'm in a Doomsday Cult. It's called Humanity.

[@bainbasinger8548]

that would be funny if it wasnt but hahahah

[@ceeemm1901]

Humanity's actually a Suicide Cult.

[@TennesseeJed]

I resemble that remark!

[@bertramklauke3951]

Hi Dr Jacobson When I studied Oekologie 40 years ago as a student you would have been called a Doomer. Now I would call you Yesterday man. It's at least 40 years to late for this kind of a discussion. We are in an extinction event with us humans on the top of the list. Sorry but we need to discuss a total different topic now which again no body is willing to pick up. Next big event on the list is Methan Hydrates blowing up in the shallow waters of the Siberian Shelf. Look it up how much Methane is stored there and what it will do to our climate in just a few years. I really would be very surprised if there will be more than 1B people living on our planet by the end of the century. I think that's a very conservative number. Intelligence is the Abillity to adapt to change. ( Steven Hawkins ) not trying to fix it , hoping, rebuilding in the same place and so on...

[@9one9Music]

If the oceans can no longer absorb excess heat, we can expect to see a number of catastrophic changes in the next two years, including: • More extreme weather events. As the oceans warm, they become more unstable and more likely to produce extreme weather events such as hurricanes, typhoons, and cyclones. These events will become more frequent and more intense, causing widespread damage and loss of life. • Rising sea levels. The oceans are already rising due to melting glaciers and ice sheets. As the oceans warm, they will expand even further, causing sea levels to rise even higher. This will inundate coastal areas, displacing millions of people and causing widespread damage to infrastructure. • Destruction of coral reefs. Coral reefs are important ecosystems that support a wide variety of marine life. However, coral reefs are very sensitive to changes in water temperature and acidity. As the oceans warm, coral reefs will start to bleach and die. This will have a devastating impact on marine life and the global food supply. • Spread of diseases. Warmer temperatures will create ideal conditions for the spread of diseases, such as malaria, dengue fever, and yellow fever. This will lead to increased outbreaks of these diseases, particularly in tropical regions. • Mass extinctions. As the climate continues to change, many species of plants and animals will be unable to adapt and will go extinct. This will have a cascading effect on ecosystems, leading to further disruption and damage. These are just some of the catastrophic changes that we can expect to see in the next two years if the oceans can no longer absorb excess heat. It is important to act now to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and mitigate the worst effects of climate change.

[@roberthornack1692]

Well said! Don't forget the methane time bomb that could end everyrhing in days!

[@ceeemm1901]

Theoretically the oceans can absorb 100C before it steams, right?

[@dandilion62]

Thank you elliot for all that you do

[@roberthornack1692]

The aerosol paradox is a topic no one wants to hear, when reducing their cooling properties by reducing emissions could inadvertently drastically increase temps.

[@briansanders-d1o]

Guy McPherson has warned about this for several years. It seems to be entering the conversation, finally

[@roberthornack1692]

@@briansanders-d1o that's where I heard it. Guy is one of the few honest one's who tells it like it is!

[@roberthornack1692]

@grindupBaker He's simply stating the peer reviewed literature!

[@ExtinctionLife]

Great follow up interview. As my handle indicates, I am in the same camp as Dr Jacobson. I just don't see the way out of this catastrophe. He and Dr Bill Rees have very similar messaging, ie it is an overshoot problem and climate change is just the major symptom we are now experiencing, but there will be more to come. I would strongly encourage an interview with Dr Rees if you can manage that.

[@SuperReznative]

No amount of $$$tax money schemes will help the situation. ,but rather it makes the people to suffer more into poverty, streets drugs starvation . That $$$ could be better spent innovation housing , shelter . Chemtrailing is killing plants and water animals=,,food supplies

[@kirkha100]

Totally agree. William Rees, William Catton, B. Sid Smith, Alice Friedemann, and others have good info on “Overshoot”. Holy crap, the other comments. CFMs.

[@user-om3bc6iy2c]

Your a dreamer not a doomer

[@forcingclimateinfo7014]

From a Swedish doomer thanks Joshua Molina!! Looking forward for more interviews with Dr. Eliot Jacobson! Peace out!

[@jillmccarthy8798]

Excellent interview. My hope is for a larger audience to watch and hear this information.

[@radman1136]

"Well ... at least the mudslides caused by the torrential rain will put out the fires." ~ Johnny Carson

[@gautingmusik9561]

7:30 the main reason for latest warming is the OHC ocean heat content, which has been accumulating for years (and the changed jet stream.

[@mari-annnordlien1950]

Following you from the Mountains in Norway, thank you! All the best, Mari-Ann ❤

[@kirkha100]

…..and another thing. ALL current leadership is invested in “ business as usual”. Despite lip service there is, for them, absolutely no incentive to do anything substantive or significant to remedy our predicament. Their privilege, power, fame are derived from their success in the current living arrangements. Even some of the leadership in the climate movement itself. 29:42 This is about Overshoot. Human caused climate destruction is a symptom of Overshoot. Any cheap energy will accelerate our destruction. ALL human activities must contract or diminish. This is gonna happen. Voluntarily or involuntarily. ALL current leadership is your enemy.

[@kirkha100]

Here’s a painful, frightening thing; Collapse is the answer. A difficult steep glide path to an equitable, organized, orderly, recusal of our exceptionalism…..or an uncontrolled crash. Oh wait. I know. let’s have a war! High five, humans. Slava…..something. Remember to vote! Cause the other guys are really evil. Whoever they are. So, crash it is.

[@azmachinist2421]

We just had a 5.1 Earthquake here in L.A. If Climate Change don’t get us then the earthquakes will!

[@brians1793]

The elites overwhelmingly are to blame(as much as they pass blame on us they still have had the power to change things) and have had the means to mitigate the damage for decades, it's just not in their best interest when it comes to greed and power, that's what it really comes down to. Electric vehicles are mostly a scam, it's less liberating for car owners(like being able to work on your own car, even a lot of mechanics won't know how to work on an EV) and easier to control even when a person 'owns' a car it could still easily be controlled remotely by WIFI, just like your bank account can be froze if you say things they don't like the more digital currency become the norm. I actually think it's the mark of the beast, without the mark of the beast you can't buy or sell, it makes sense. Besides that the elites have way more control over weather than people realize, they mostly use it for their benefit at our expense rather than for our benefit. When you look at the response to natural disasters and the train derailment in Ohio it seems obvious how very little they care, and if anything they take advantage of vulnerable people(especially for child trafficking like thousands of orphans in Ukraine being unaccounted for, children of illegals can't be traced, ect) and even create problems and vulnerable people just to 'help' out or create more co-dependency between people and big government. It's why they're trying to drive people from rural areas into cities, most rural people are conservative so will be outnumbered by liberals in cities so there's that, but rural people also tend to be more independent if they hunt, fish, raise animals, ect. We know fires in the Amazon were started on purpose to both clear land for cattle ranchers but also to drive out the indigenous people, IDK why people think other wildfires are any different around the world as if governments in first world countries aren't as corrupted. They can just blame it on climate change(not that there isn't some truth to it) and use it to control people and scam them with things like electric vehicles or to go vegan, and shame anyone that doesn't.

[@Climate.Realist]

Stay save man.

[@Ominousheat]

There is actually a theory that earthquakes will increase due to the rise of sea levels. Not only the extra pressure of weight but due to water's ability to enter previously unlubricated fault lines. And then when the water gets into those faults as it warms with depth the water will expand putting immense pressure on the rock helping to separate/lubricate the fault.

[@azmachinist2421]

@@Ominousheat You are right

[@mischevious]

5.1 is just a gentle reminder to be prepared for a much bigger quake.

[@mamapretz]

Great interview with Dr. Jacobson- we appreciate his efforts to spread this crucial information about our climate. It’s truly unfortunate he has to waste so much of his valuable time explaining his motives or defending against trolls.

[@rapauli]

This is an enormously important discussion. Thank you.

[@sunsetfoglight]

really enjoyed this! eliot, keep doing interviews with josh - his questions/comments are extremely thoughtful & on point; he's also an excellent listener.

[@santabarbaratalkswithJosh]

Thank you, I appreciate it!

[@peace_oceans]

So grateful to find your podcast through Dr EJ. This a conversation I’m so very hungry to hear more of. Thank you. I’m just up the coast in BC.

[@sidstovell2177]

Homesick!!

[@gautingmusik9561]

29:30 it is too late to save the earth by driving a bike

[@Trace-l7k]

I saw remarkable clearing of the pollution in my city during the Covid lockdown. Humans can make changes that impact environment. But will they work together?

[@ppetal1]

No. It's not. Not if everyone gave up their cars.

[@ceeemm1901]

We can do it in half the time if we ride unicycles.

[@Trace-l7k]

@@ceeemm1901 your humor falls flat when the stakes are survival of humanity. Gallows humor, I suppose.

[@ceeemm1901]

@@Trace-l7k Geez, what did your parents do to you, Eeyore? You must be a hoot to sit next to at a dinner party....Try to have more than one crap per year.

[@williamdillon7708]

Thank you Josh and Santa Barbara Talks for this important interview with Professor Jacobson!

[@lancechapman3070]

Not surprising that people with an agenda other than the well reasoned facts find Dr. Jacobson's analysis is difficult to accept.

[@heww3960]

If it wasnt for technology, we would be f****d I agree, but now we have technology. SAI for example could fix this tomorrow, and there is no good reason for not doing it.

[@roberthornack1692]

No one wants to believe that such a powerful & intelligent specie, home sapiens, could ever go extinct. But how intelligent is a specie that believes in infinite growth on a finite sphere with finite resources & not realizing that civilizations are massive heat engines. The philosophy of a cancer cell or failed parasite!

[@jenmorricone4014]

Not to mention that EIGHT other species in the genus homo went EXTINCT. We homo sapiens are next.

[@Thorny_Misanthrope]

@@roberthornack1692 Civilization is a pyramid scheme. You always want to get early before the bottom falls out.

[@lukegardner6917]

​@roberthornack1692 don't forget bacterial infection 👀😉

[@timeenoughforart]

"It's too late" is not an excuse to stop the fight. The ecosystems we are destroying deserve better. Ride a bike so the genetic richness of nature has bit longer to adapt. So that Pigmy rabbits have a chance to relocate. So that maybe one sagebrush can avoid the range fires and have a chance to repopulate the landscape. It is time to be biocentric rather that humancentric.

[@iCyWEdontCi2i]

@timeenoughforart, the NucIear Reactor buildings have and are expired. There's no way to replace those cancer factories. Jus a little bit of wisdom... Start spending your savings and go ahead and give the kids their inheritance now. There will be no time to spend it later.

[@timeenoughforart]

@@iCyWEdontCi2i I don't need more junk. Plenty of places that fight for nature that could make better use of the money. My favorite is "Advocates for the West" an environmental law firm that kept a dam being built in the Snake River Canyon near my home. Don't feed the economic machine any more than you have to.

[@iCyWEdontCi2i]

@@timeenoughforart, I didn't type anything about buying junk.

[@timeenoughforart]

I didn't say you did. @@iCyWEdontCi2i

[@bainbasinger8548]

right on !!!

[@solarwind907]

You had me into 100 minutes in when you said “who is getting indicted in Georgia is a stupid story“ No, it’s not stupid. But it’s really stupid to let the richest scum walk. Free after trying to destroy our democracy. That’s really stupid. Otherwise I’m with you. Thank you very much.

[@mrrecluse7002]

Another excellent interview. Thank you.

[@charlesashurst1816]

Someone asked John Lenon whether he thought that exhibition of himself and Yoko in bed in public shortened the war by one second. He got all defensive and hostile at the time but perhaps he gave it some thought and his more thoughtful answer was his song “Imagine”. Of course that stunt in bed didn’t shorten the war, but you have to imagine peace first and then through hard work and time we get there. Imagine a world in which humans have a healthy relationship with a healthy world. Imagine it and work towards achieving it.

[@bainbasinger8548]

thats the first i heard that story. thanks for sharing

[@charlesdinkel408]

I enjoy this dialogue, thank you Josh Molina and Dr. Eliot Jacobson. One observation I have about this topic is the sense of realism, and how upsetting it can be for people to deal with the cognitive dissonance involved in this topic, once one really peels back enough layers. The same Doomerism effect can happen when one looks at the obstacles to change in the political and economic spheres, in terms of the entrenched positions in regards to real change. That being said, there are a couple elements which your Environmentally Doomed Mindset positioning brings to mind for me... there is also a level of calm for people who are greatly distressed and then decide they are going to end it... they get calm, because they feel like they can let go (I know this isn't pc and Im not condoning or advocating for suicide under any circumstances) but it speaks to the way that people are able to put their mind at rest, by letting go of their fear and their stress... feeling like they have a solution for themselves. We are all Doomed, everything is doomed, the planet itself is doomed, every species, animal, plant and microbe which cannot survive deep space is doomed. We have the privilege of pondering our existence, for this brief flicker of a candle in the darkness of infinite and eternity. There are solutions which you cannot comprehend, there are options which you are not aware of, and there are forces at work which you are not able to quantify or even contemplate, in your perspective. The anxiety of wanting to solve it, when it is not entirely yours to solve, might be part of what makes this conversation so uncomfortable for many. We are in the process of creating forms of intelligence with greater capacity than our own species currently possess. Some say our technology can't save us, maybe that's just an obsolete way of thinking at this point. The net sum of our 8 billion minds, might not be able to come up with a 1 over 8 Billion elevator pitch fractal of an idea which might be relevant to this massive conundrum, but maybe the sum of 8 billion minds and all that has come before is just the pedestal for what comes next. Maybe we can't save ourselves and our species, but maybe we can create something which can, and that has always been true, for every birth since we were singular cells reproducing in primordial mucus. Maybe the Doom is the smallness of trying to crawl out of yourself, without Faith.

[@geofffriend4161]

The biosphere is in a freefall as is the ecosphere and exponentially speeding up. There is no solution to that.

[@charlesdinkel408]

Paradise Lost.... true. The heating effect was baked into the atmosphere from human activity already 100+ years ago, but we have only accelerated the timeline of the feedback loops, etc. But something does come next @@geofffriend4161

[@cedarmountain1525]

Maybe the faith comes in where we "do", not for the sake of getting out of the mess we've created, but because it is the right thing to do, for the "common good." We "do" without expectation that it will change anything...even though it might, eons from now.

[@mischevious]

There are no solutions to predicaments. That’s what we’ve created for ourselves, a predicament; eight billion humans with a globalized civilization, that only exist as a direct result of fossil fuels. That remain utterly, inextricably dependent on them for literally everything we do. Every meal we eat, every article of clothing we wear, every medication we take, every last little thing we need, never mind want, to simply get through a day. Every aspect of and step in the process depends on the workhorse diesel engine that we have no replacement for. That has us gobbling up our own life sustaining habitat so fast that, even if we had a second planet Earth we’d still have an ecological crisis on our hands. All life we’ve created depends on us and will die with us. All technology we’ve created will cease to function the very moment our ability to produce massive quantities of fossil fuel dependent electricity fails. Including AI, just another fossil fuel dependent technology that will cease to be the moment the power goes out.

[@roberthornack1692]

The exponential is one of those concepts that humans have a difficult time grasping.

[@collapseaphorisms6243]

Thanks Josh and Eliot. Cheers from Ireland.

[@raoultesla2292]

"every little bit helps". I cannot fathom those who engage in hope. Dr.Richter experiment gave rats hope, religion allows people to waste their brief life using hope. Everyone needs to just Let Go. Enjoy your running water and elec today. It is All you Get. Period. Goodnight and good luck.

[@bainbasinger8548]

i believe if thats what you believe, That is Exactly what you will GET.

[@roberthornack1692]

I'd be great to think that life might have a chance after we're gone, if it just wasn't for those pesky nuclear plants that will melt down, destroying what remains of our atmospheric ozone!

[@SuperReznative]

God warned there would be days like this. Repent and Know Jesus everyone,,while you're still in this life.After is TOO late.

[@roberthornack1692]

@@SuperReznative Superstitious nonsense has nothing to do with it!

[@kirkha100]

Thank you, Robert.

[@bainbasinger8548]

Amen !!!@@SuperReznative

[@ArtWerks-o1k]

Ad populam . we will argue till its too late. We cannot act on a considered effort en mass. 1\3 of the population will die. Nature is absolute. Opinion is totally subjective

[@radscorpion8]

as long as hot dogs survive

[@thomasreis4949]

used books are a mess here in Austria. there have been a special postal tarif for small book traders unfortunately canceled. it was a good sidekick for some time, to have some money to research cool pavement, roof and water with mirrors and bubbles etc. recently i discovered less iron aerosols will reduce -OH(ionisied Hydroxl) so more dust on PV Modules and even more Methane...

[@redrockcrf4663]

Well finally I've heard someone say it online (a serious person): "If we were to go on a worldwide war footing..." And the reality is that we are not close to doing that, period. Things would have to get like a Hollywood movie scenario before that level of unanamous support is even conceivable. So that's the real problem, and for decades, is that we can't work together when it counts. No?

[@Trace-l7k]

Humans can work together, governments cannot. There’s the problem

[@Trace-l7k]

Humans can work together, governments cannot. There’s the problem

[@sedonars1]

Please comment on the following timeline and it's probability? TY! 2023/2024 El Nino generated crop failures, mass flooding and accelerated sea ice melting (along with delayed refreeze in autumn 2024). Blue Ocean Event on the Arctic ocean August of 2025, and release of latent heat index there. Methane explosions in the arctic ocean and the tundra summer of 2026. Exponential increase in land based heating summer of 2026 resulting in 80% crop failures in the Northern Hemisphere. Mass destabilization of world governments and civil unrest as grocery stores go empty winter of 2026/27. Martial law established in US, Europe and Asia spring of 2027 forces hundreds of millions of would be climate refugees to "die in place". THE WILD CARD=Nuclear plant meltdowns in Europe and Asia summer of 2027 begin to irradiate the atmosphere resulting in billions of casualties across the globe by 2028. Continued exponential heating in 2029 along with increasingly irradiated atmosphere causes a global mass extinction event by 2030. Earth loses it's last shreds of life supporting atmosphere to become Mars’ sister extinct planet.

[@geofffriend4161]

Good morning, I think you are accurate other than that the food shortages are likely to hit us mid 2024. It looks likely that the highly unusual 3 La Ninas in a row gave us extra time but now the El Nino will precipitate the end. Good luck everyone.

[@mischevious]

Looks about right, maybe a little generous with your crop failure expectation, already failing at an exponential pace, to me that looks to happen sooner. Only thing I take exception to is your nuclear meltdown timeline. The ionizing radiation released from the meltdown of just a handful of existing plants currently in operation would strip away stratospheric ozone, killing most life on Earth within a few days. Power grid failure due to extreme temperatures could cause that to happen any day now. And you’re leaving the impacts of extreme heat out of your equation in general. It’s easy to simplify; when it gets too hot for the living world we depend on for life to carry on living, habitat for humans will be lost and we will go extinct. We’re already well into, at the end actually, of that collapse of the Earth’s biosphere.

[@roberthornack1692]

I would say more like Venus!

[@rayn3038]

Won’t be that Bad for Earth….but you got it right for US….8 billion IDIOTS…I am in a developing Nation and the People have wonderful Tropic abundance but they Overpopulate like Rabbits…and dream only of escaping Nature to a City to Make Money and buy a SUV….eat Restaurant Fast Food and Sweets…diabetes and obesity epidemic…tossing Trash everywhere….looks like a Garbage Dump with Streets….air Pollution…unnecessary Vehicle trips daily…selfish ignorant self-indulgent waste on a massive Scale….and big Buisness investing billions to help them become more Destructive and unhealthy and to Consume mor and more…We get what We deserve..Annihilation.

[@Spice1_]

Thank you for this

[@theboyisnotright6312]

Well a tropical system hit Southern California some 84 years ago. It's not unprecedented. Now if we get a hurricane in Wisconsin, that would be impressive. The weather has always changed. If a super volcano blows we will seriously worried about cooling. Arizona is a desert, you ain't supposed to live there anyway. Anyway the world will be fine, humans not so much. And we deserve what we get.😃

[@christinearmington]

Haha. Eliot may not judge, but Sam will. 😂

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Folks and more importantly businesses need to consume less, starting with systems, sevices, and products that adversely effect our habitat

[@jeanjacquesdessalines1425]

Bravo à vous et merci beaucoup !

[@greystash998]

what decides how many people that will be able to survive in the future, is how much nature that will survive until the New Equilibrium the planet will create in the future.

[@jazziejim]

Is this debate about "doomerism" irrelevant because people don't mean the same thing with the word? Most would agree we are in overshoot and need to do with less which is what Jacobson is about. We have to get off oil too so we agree on that. We do it with as little environmental disruption as possible. We all agree on that too. The ones who don't agree are the same rich corporate deniers and their propagandized sheep that have always been the problem. Let's not make a conflict between us when there really isn't one.

[@bainbasinger8548]

Well said.

[@johngreenlee1892]

Humanity is doomed if we are still in this mindset that humans can change the earths temperature in any meaningful and predictable way. Restore the land and water cycles by capturing water to infiltrate the ground to mitigate flooding and drought. This is achieved by swales, ditches, ponds, terracing etc. Temperature is not as important as water. Get it together people!

[@daveandrews9634]

The Rossby Wave pattern has been performing as it always has been due to the earths coriolis effect. It’s not doing anything different than usual.

[@johnwdferguson3149]

The weather will look after itself.

[@bainbasinger8548]

read most comments ,theres a long one around the 100th its a must read. his name is mischevious

[@daveandrews9634]

The very same thing happened in the early 20th century with no anthropogenic warming effect when the temperatures were very similar to now and it cooled off again on its own obviously without the supposed cause of anthropogenic warming. The Volcanic influence along with the solar max, cosmic radiation and the weakening earths electromagnetic field easily can account for the hurricane and excess heat effects.

[@Hermes1548]

danke, gracias, thanks, merci.

[@iCyWEdontCi2i]

40:00 Find a FaIIout model map from fukushima and how it cover Canada... Of course the Trees would be like Kindling for starting fires. Pine needles POP and Crackle cause they're for of radioactive isotopes

[@FeckinStevie]

The deserts going to be proper fecked all that water, dooooom

[@juliebarks3195]

I love the Irish Feck. ☘

[@jenmorricone4014]

" Fecking banjaxed" is Irish at its finest.

[@radscorpion8]

back with more from our favorite doomer dr eliot jacobson

[@KlausCastanhaMerini]

Do you Go to the streets with a gun ? Afraid of the threats?

[@ppetal1]

Come on Joe. Where's your cajones?

[@anthonymorris5084]

Life flourishes under warming. Get a grip. The greatest diversity of life on this planet resides in the tropics not Greenland.

[@joylarson9040]

Phoenix is alway hot! Always for my lifetime! BS!

[@globalwarming382]

yes 8 billion ppl will use energy, the question is how do you want that energy produced? with coal/oil/gas or and its a big one 'solar/Wind/Nuclear?

[@mischevious]

It’s not a matter of how we want that energy produced. Every aspect and step of the global extraction, refining, manufacturing and supply chain depends on the powerful workhorse Diesel engine. Every human living now only exists as a direct result of fossil fuels and we remain utterly dependent on them for our survival. Every meal you eat, every article of clothing you wear. Every crop, every medication, every pair of eyeglasses, every plastic bottle of water, every computer and cell phone, every airplane, every fishing troller, every cargo tanker, every military vessel, every roadway, every steel wind turbine, every material needed to make every solar panel or battery. All depends on diesel fuel. And colonialism. And slavery. But your city is going 100% renewable!? Okay, that covers 20% of your energy needs. There is no source for the remaining 80%, that was needed to make even that 20% possible. At present renewables are, greatly increasing the rate at which we’re destroying our own life sustaining habitat, not even keeping up with increasing demand.

[@bélalugrisi]

@@mischevious So spot on! Best to you~

[@bélalugrisi]

Industrial civilization is a heat engine no matter how you power it. ~ Tim Garrett

[@irisstasinski8893]

There is Video , that the fire was started by Electricity .

[@donaldgomes1583]

Catastrophic flooding!!!! Really...it's Catastrophic

[@donaldgomes1583]

Oh my god,it's a rain storm...oh my god...doom...really..

[@donaldgomes1583]

Whales are dying...they are beaching themselves...wat ,now it's corals....you clowns...