Elisjsha Dicken & the Probability of Long Shots. Massad Ayoob praises these Heroes. Critical Mas 50

[@keithharper1683]

I live in Greenwood, IN and recently Guy A. Relford, Mr. Dickens lawyer who has a radio show called The Gun Guy, told this story on the radio. The gun used was a Glock 19. Mr. Dickens upon hearing gunshots pushed his girlfriend to the floor, braced himself against a pillar and at 43 yards fired two rounds, stopped as people were running in front of him, then fired two more rounds. Advanced on the shooter while telling people to get behind him. He fired four more rounds at 20 yards, then advanced to 10 yards and fired his final rounds. The next day his lawyer met with him and asked the following questions; Mr. Relford “What professional training have you had?” Mr. Dickens “ None, my grandpa showed me how to shoot when I was 11 years old.” Mr. Relford “ How often do you practice at the range?” Mr. Dickens “Never” Mr. Relford “Did you have a Red Dot or modified sights?” Me. Dickens “ Kind of, a couple of weeks before the shooting I was riding my motorcycle and dropped it on the side I carry my gun, It ground most of the sights off of the slide.” I believe Mr. Dickens was touched by God that day.

[@docgillygun9531]

That's my home mall as well. The unfortunate thing is the bad guys can be good shots too. God blessed a lot of people that day, and may he bless and guide the survivors, and the survivors of the fallen.

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

No training, no sights, instinctive point shoot with forward pressure advancing on the criminal. This means that police training is completely wrong. Interestingly enough that Fairbairn and Applegate trained and taught exactly this way. I also learned this method from Paul Cale(Australian Commando close quarter combat instructor), a long time ago. Your primary weapon is your mind, a gun is an extension of your aggression.

[@johnhalpin1847]

That's exactly what I was told and heard either way he was still a hero even with those shots and those distances.

[@johnhalpin1847]

@@rodvan-zeller6360 Actually it your are the weapon and the mindset the firearm is just the tool.

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

@@johnhalpin1847 Thank you for the reply

[@bash4linux]

As a retired Marine SNCO, we were required to qualify with a pistol from 7, 15, and 25 yards. 25 yards with a pistol is no joke. My hats off to these heroes.

[@musicman1eanda]

What was the accuracy standard for 25yds?

[@US2A]

I have to have a red dot a 25 yards to be consistent

[@ScrappyXFL]

Yea 25 is rough. We'll do 50 BUT only with a 22LR Ruger, ammo's gotten to damn expensive to be missing.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

As a former PMI, I agree. That's why I shoot steel at 100 yards routinely. Makes 25 seem easy.

[@Osprey1994]

25 yards is indeed the point at which most people start to struggle. I can put 8/10 on a man sized steel target at 100 with irons but at that point I am honestly just setting my elevation and trying to make sure I don't pull left or right. Now with a dot it becomes MUCH easier to send those rounds in where you want them. Part of the reason why I decided to try the dot was because I felt that with the emergence of closed emitters I had something that I could trust, and would help me refine certain aspects of my shot. I was right, there were so many small imperfections that irons really won't show you unless you're on paper. Even if you don't use a dot on your carry in, a laser sighting system or a dot is so valuable for training.

[@naturallyhigh1]

Can't forget about Senior Airman Andy Brown who stopped an active shooter on Faichild AFB. Shooter was at the hospital on base and SrA Brown had to respond on his police bicycle, so he was already presumably tired on arrival. Brown made his shots at around 70 yards stopping the threat. Shoutout Andy Brown!

[@roberthearn2908]

And a headshot at that!

[@naturallyhigh1]

@@roberthearn2908 damn right!

[@dalewalters357]

He did… he is a good humble guy! He would train when he was off duty and practice shooting out to 70+ yards.

[@seniorp9444]

I remembered his story while watching the video. Incredible shots with the M9.

[@Mike193Inf]

4 rounds from 68-72 yards with an M9 Beretta. 2 misses, one shoulder hit, one right between the eyes. Amazing.

[@Siskiyous6]

I learned to shoot with Smith and Wesson revolvers alone on our ranch as a teenager. It amazed me when I found out most people think a pistol's range is less than a shotguns.

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

I also learned with revolvers originally. Model 13 smith in 357.. I used to shoot ground hogs at 50 yards regularly, but I shot single action and with a good rest. I've made shots past a 100 with the three inch barreled Smith here in Southern Indiana.. Pistol as just as accurate as any firearm if you can line up the sights correctly and pull the trigger well. It's the sight radius that makes them seem inaccurate to other firearms like rifles, but all things being equal, they're quite capable of shooting at longer ranges.

[@kathleenredick275]

​@@hoosierdaddy2308 Exactly right.

[@Mr_Snarky]

Mas is a really good story-teller. Much enjoyed listening to him.

[@762x69]

If I ever get the pleasure of running into the young man, a mandatory free beer offer is going to happen. Wild story and amazing work by Eli!

[@danovichi]

@@xtreme4stringbass Boy, I bet you're fun at parties.

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

Eli will never _have_ to pay for another meal in any diner in Indiana.

[@MW-od8vu]

I always enjoy these little “fireside” chats with Mas. 😊

[@scottphillips8265]

As my father pounded in my head as a young man. Shoot like you're life depends on it, train like you're life depends on, clean your weapon like you're life depends on. Know your target as well as beyond!

[@mikeyob4271]

Well said friend.

[@US2A]

Cleaning is over rated

[@richardthomas6602]

@@US2A until you wish you had.

[@US2A]

@@richardthomas6602 yeah? Cleaning after every range session lol. Once in a great while is fine and things still work.

[@juddperson6110]

@@richardthomas6602 There's a mountain of evidence to support the idea that most people over clean their firearms. The act of cleaning itself puts wear on the parts, and a lot of professionals are beginning to recommend that you only clean your firearm every 2k-3k rounds. If it's your EDC firearm, and you're training with it like you should, that typically means you clean it once or twice a year.

[@55Quirll]

In the past, such heroes were honored, but today they are vilified - Dickens was shouted down because he violated the policy of the Mall against having a gun, forgetting the criminal had violated the same policy. It is sad what the government is doing to people who put themselves in harm's way to save others. Thank you for a very informative and historic video, the Austin Texas shooting I recall because I was 11 at the time, and the man in the church too. Again, thank you very much, and have a great day.

[@thenegociater3387]

Damn fine work. Most importantly, the state did not attempt to penalize this life saving act. Thank you.

[@ridgerunner5772]

Yet... Those Blue Line Boys do NOT like the citizens playing their games of mag dump...

[@timblackx13]

Awesome lil' presentation. Thanks Wilson Combat for videos like these, and a special thank you to Massad Ayoob for his perfect delivery as always. He's got an awesome voice that commands attention, you can't help but hear and listen to his every word. Again guys, great job and thank you!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@bobsnyder7831]

Being willing is the key.

[@cashields4660]

Equal to or even more impressive to me than his rounds on target was his readiness and willingness in his mind to react in the defense of others. A true warrior.

[@dangurtler7177]

That isn't an easy decision to make. Even if you are successful, you are likely to be dragged into court. Also recall the television news coverage of the event, much of which was negative and attempting to vilify Mr. Dicken.

[@cashields4660]

@@dangurtler7177 not a decision to be made lightly but the decision to act or not should be decided yesterday.

[@ElkoCowboy888]

You take the shot your presented with. I would not want to expose myself to someone armed with a rifle. Dickens used a column as protection and a rest to make multiple accurate shots to stop the Threat. He did everything Right.

[@gymshoe8862]

I'm an amateur who practices regularly at a nearby gravel pit--the common distance is 30 to 80 YARDS. The targets are always pop cans we save for the occasion. I can hit pop cans at 50-80 yards--why? Because that is how I train. I don't do fast draw or other games but I'd feel comfortable with a 50 yard shot--I do it all the time. When we're finished shooting we pick up litter, brass (I handload) even other people's litter.

[@gymshoe8862]

If asked how much professional training I've had, I'd have to say none..

[@KP-Pro2A]

I think a nice EDC-X9 custom for him would be a nice way to show your appreciation…..😊

[@danielkaczynski9702]

Mas! Many years ago, IIRC it was in American Handgunner, I read an article of yours in which you discussed this topic. I don't remember the details, but the gist of it was that a police officer was fired on by a criminal from a considerable distance ( I think it was 30 yards? Not sure, but anyway it was much farther than the usual 7 yards range practice. ) Fortunately the officer prevailed because of his superior marksmanship. It was after I read your article, I went to the range, set up 8 inch pie plates at 50 yards. and found that if I concentrated I could keep almost all of my shots on the pie plates. Ever since then, every time I go to the range I fire at least a couple of magazines worth of ammo at the maximum distance available ( which is usually only 25 yards on an indoor range. ) I have even found that going long with a pistol can actually be fun Thank you, Mas, for all the many great and informative articles you've written over the years and it is really great to see you on KZbin!

[@KyleCowden]

The amazing thing about the White Settlement church was, if you watch the tape was Jack Wilson gets the bead on center mass and _then_ goes to the head shot in a fraction of a second while moving himself. I always felt that he saw the congregants trying to move and in a decision you have to slow down to see, he adjusts aim and the shooter's head disappears. The one I wish you had used in illustrating this was GPD officer Greg Stevens. Terrorists with rifles showed up, opened fire and without cover, Stevens drew and took both down from something like 50'. A lot of reports say that other officers "finished" the fight (SWAT was posted on the other side) but watching the video, they were done and writhing around when the other "heroes" turned them off. Remarkable coolness and accuracy under fire. Wyatt Earp is reported as saying in the aftermath of his Kansas shootout, "Take your time in a hurry." Stevens did and countless lives were saved.

[@S1deshowRob]

My best friend’s mom used to shop at Greenwood mall. It was very close to home. Eli Dicken is a chad and I’ll buy him a drink if I ever see him

[@byronlabelle7569]

I've always said it's not what you have but what you know, so Practice, Practice, Practice at all distances.

[@snicklefritz4209]

I love massad , he is a very intelligent and a wealth of firearm knowledge. Been watching him since I was a kid when my dad showed him too Me

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Same here! The first Massad Ayoob article that I ever read, back in the early 1970's, was about the Winchester 158gr LSWCHP +P load, also known as "The FBI Load". It was a very well written article detailing at least two shootings with that load. In one, an undercover narc was taken hostage by a perp who had a gun pointed at his head. The perp was marching him down a hall, trying to get past police. When something distracted the perp, the narc drew his own .38 snub nose, turned it behind him, and fired. As I seem to recall, the round went through one or both of the bad guy's kidneys, incapacitating him instantly. Another story recounted that a visitor at a zoo got too close to a polar bear cage and was being mauled by the huge bear. A police officer rapped the bear on the snout with his baton, trying to make it release the man. When that didn't work, he fired one round into the bear which caused it to stiffen up and release the man. I believe the bear died, sadly. Still, amazing performance for any .38 special round. I was in my teens at the time and it would be a few years before I could find that round for sale. When I did, it was my carry round for many years.

[@geralddeas2303]

You can feel the excitement .... waiting for Massad

[@ianriordan6382]

The world is not beyond help yet. With fine young people like Mr Dickens walking the earth, we still have some hope.

[@cheeseandpickles98]

God bless Eli Dicken ! all of the country will remember your good deed sir

[@airborneshodan]

I remember watching Mas shoot the 50 yard stage at the Bianchi cup with a .38 revolver!

[@roykiefer7713]

Superb video, thank you Massad and Bill Wilson. Decent individuals have the moral duty to protect innocent lives; I am an older American, but I was a Naval officer for two decades. This is the ethos by which we lived. The evil-doer’s range has NOTHING to do with our ethical obligations.

[@Lucas12v]

My theory is that I'd rather be the guy who practiced at long range and needed to shoot at short range than the other way around. Even if you never need to do it, it helps with the fundamentals which carries over to short range. Plus it's fun to ring steel at 100 yards with a handgun.

[@Paladin1873]

Great review. We should always be reminded that it requires more than just an armed citizen to prevail in a gunfight. It also demands proficiency and courage.

[@flightparamedic505]

Thanks Mas for all you do for the 2nd amendment!

[@AshGreen359]

Another video for my every growing Good Guys With Guns playlist. It'll be the best response to those who say this almost never happens

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Excellent program, Sir! It always irks me to see in comments or even a video, where some "expert" will say something like, "This gun is only accurate to 5, 10, whatever yards but if you shoot someone beyond that range, you will be answering to the DA." I always do an involuntary eye roll at a minimum. If someone is shooting at me or others from 50 yards away, I damn well want a reasonable chance of hitting him at that distance. When I began my LE career in the 1970's, every course of fire I shot, we fired at least six rounds from 50 yards at the target. Eventually, that was dumbed down to 25 yards and from there, to today's most common "standard" in my state which is 15 yards. Yes, most departments in my state only fire at a maximum distance of 15 yards with a sidearm for qualification. This is scary if you think about an officer who barely qualifies having to engage a suspect at 25 or more yards away.

[@tomglpn]

With all the tacticool channels out there it's nice to have real information available. You and Paul Harrell are the best I have found so far

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad to help

[@guyschwartz1510]

agreed

[@christhomason3936]

Mr. M, You Are The Best Story Teller Around ... Thanks for All You Do To Keep Us Informed and Safer Every Day😇. (We Like to Call You Booyah) Chris and Rick From Chicago ❤️

[@thinman8621]

This is an expert sharing knowledge and wisdom. Thank you.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@waynecastleman1363]

For me it's a mentality, that never goes away , We don't want it to happen but we know it can and from an young age of 10 I had training in rifle procedure, we are the old school guys and we're not afraid to take care of business, let's just pray we don't have to. 🙏💪🇺🇸

[@AndrewSmith-rp6ee]

I like how you don't pull any punches with characterizing the killers.

[@lawrencehudson9939]

I was a bullseye target shooter for years where slow fire stages are 50 yards. That is a controlled environment with no one shooting at me and no adrenaline pumping through my body but having that experience of distant pistol shooting gives me an edge over many individuals. I wish more shooters practiced some at 50 yards.

[@michaeledlin9995]

I shoot 45 ACP at 75 yds 7 out of 8 in a 10 inch target. Not easy but I can.

[@Shadow63Wolf]

I still shoot bullseye when I can though not in competition. I always have to laugh when people say you can't hit anything at more than 25 yards or some other short distance less than that because 50 yards is normal for outdoor pistol. Unfortunately indoor is 20 yards or less most of the time. For a recent CC class, I did a 100 8x with a 4 inch 9mm 1911, but they don't expect much for that and I think max was 7 yards. I've seen LEOs miss a silhouette at that distance. All those years of shooting precision means you developed all the right habits and you probably don't need to think about it much to shoot good. You'll fall back on those habits every time you shoot. I can also give a counter example of a guy who literally didn't care and though had a somewhat beginner score all the time, he could actually shoot decent if being coached and reminded to do things correctly. His bad habits and poor attitude prevented him from being good. Being a better shooter wasn't fun for him.

[@shooterqqqq]

@@Shadow63Wolf We teach someone like that. He doesn't have a bad attitude toward us but he doesn't learn anything. He joins us for a social club. We're trying to be better. As soon as this guy leaves the range, he admittedly forgets everything that was said or taught. We actually have to start all over again with him. There is a complete absence of muscle memory. I stopped helping but a patient, Ex FBI instructor is still trying to help.

[@M4v3rick28]

Even on my three closest outdoor ranges they don't go past 20 yards...I have to sweet talk the RSO to let me practice on the 50 yd "rifle" range

[@wynnanderson2630]

What is more incredible is that not all the shots were taken at 40 yards. 4 were taken at 22 yards, and the final 2 at 25 ft.

[@tylerleavitt2715]

This man is one of the greatest combat action narrators I’ve ever heard.

[@tc556guy]

I dont know if its been mentioned in the comments, but the air force security forces airman about twenty years ago who engaged an active killer at nearly 100 yards with his M9 is another example

[@jameshutchins3396]

Absolute heros

[@BadazzShovelhead]

I’d love a video detailing people protecting their home especially with non traditional HD calibers. I have read about old ladies stopping armed intruders with 22s and 380s I think it is important to show that it is important to be armed regardless of caliber

[@michaelm233]

I've watched several armed robbery videos and as soon as a defender shoots, the bad guy turns and runs away. Robbers don't stop to ask what caliber you're using. They're not expecting return fire.

[@yesthanks6769]

Most important thing in a gunfight….. have a gun

[@tmaddrummer]

About 48 years ago, just as I was so captivated sitting in class during my first Academy, you put me right back in that frame of mind. Thanks and Blessings Mas!

[@jameswhitaker1324]

There was also the 70 yard head shot by Andy Brown on the perp at the Fairchild afb hospital.

[@Ut005A]

Short or long shots, train as your life depends on it. It does.

[@johnnylgulledge6899]

Thank you for all you do getting information to the people!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Our pleasure!

[@craigadamkelly]

May God bless honest hard-working men that train and carry for moments just like these

[@waynecassels3607]

Great presentation. May God bless all those American heros and others who run towards danger.

[@joebob617]

Great content, Mas. Much appreciated. I (for one) would love to see a segment where you discuss tactics (for a citizen armed with a handgun) in an Active Shooter scenario. Given the incidents we've seen in the last few years, and the tendency for these sick SOBs to want to copy what the last guy did - a concealed-carry defender is likely (IMHO) facing a shooter armed with a semi-auto rifle and wearing IIIA (or at least Level II) body armor. I have my own criteria to decide whether to engage or flee - as well as how one might engage a threat with a rifle and body armor - but I have no Military or LE training. I'd like to hear from some one who *is* qualified to speak on the matter. Thanks.

[@mulder4528]

Ask any rural deputy with some years on. You will likely get similar stories. It is imperative some time in training is dedicated to distance shooting. Not every fight happens in a phone booth. This is another fantastic Mas video I hope many young good people take it to heart.

[@ScrappyXFL]

That's strangely funny. Talking with a deputy a few years back, started carrying G23 because that was dept issue. He said sometimes he'd rather carry a 686... Like the first pistol I ever owned? He said yea with a 6" barrel. 😂He still calls me Mr ___ and I'm not much older than him. It'll take 40 min getting on it to get from one end of the county to the other and when you roll up you may have to run a couple of hundred yards because because you got there so late was the impetus for us just chewing fat.

[@PPISAFETY]

Speaking of rural deputies, a lot of people don't know that back in 1995, when the .357 SIG was introduced, it was aimed (no pun intended) at rural law enforcement agencies. At the time, the public had not yet fully accepted the patrol rifle in the hands of police, and part of SIG's pitch to those agencies was that the cartridge was so flat shooting and accurate that the deputy could use it in situations out to 100 yards with no rifle necessary. Of course, this completely ignored the fact that the average officer didn't have a prayer of making 100 yard hits with a handgun. But with my SIG P229 I could do it on the range all the time so the claim wasn't technically false.

[@greyman1k]

👏👏👏✊ These heroes should get a medal. That's the least we could do for true American stand-up men. Thanks for this great remembrance of great men.

[@gowilsoncombat]

No doubt

[@harrydexter8426]

Excellent documentation on previous shootings. Thank you!👍😊🇺🇸

[@gowilsoncombat]

Our pleasure!

[@ProjectSerpo90]

Perfectly said Mas, true american heroes and patriots who are willing to step into harms way to end the bloodshed and protect innocent lives.

[@GlennJudah]

Goodness ! Thanks for sharing these with your audiences!!

[@johnabbott3896]

Mas, just saw this video. In retirement (S.O. for 26+ yrs), I never considered training past "personal encounter" distances (5-15 yards)...You have changed my mind! ...Evil knows no bounds it is back to distance training. When I was working, I would occassionally practice on a cardboard moving box at 100 yards with my Gen. 1 Glock 23....I was about a 40% hit rate, with the other rounds falling close enough to satisfy myself that I could keep a potential adversary pinned until help arrived....or until I could get to my slug gun!...Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for the shooting community.

[@PurrsPlace]

Hooray for 50 Critical Mas videos! Thank you, Wilson Combat, for having my favorite gun guy on so often! His book of many authors, "Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know" is well worth the read! =)

[@jimirpg01]

So many great videos on this channel. This one is historic and inspiring. Videos like this, so drastically underrated, make me grateful for the internet.

[@jonathanmcmillion4148]

My OIS in ‘02 was more than 35 yards, on a running man armed with a Taurus .357 magnum. One round from my P226 .357 Sig stopped him from trying to shoot at me again.

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Yep. I live in the town that this young hero is from, and I used to live across the street from the Greenwood mall when which is near Indianapolis. I always have practiced at close and FAR shots. You never know when you'll need that marksmanship. The Charles Whitman was absolutely stopped by Armed citizens. Great video. Thank you sir! This is a great video.

[@AHandleOnThings]

Better count Massad Ayoob as an American hero too IMO... Smart guy with common sense giving FREE top shelf advice and cutting through ALL the crap. Invaluable. Thanks Massad.

[@jimmcfaul699]

Nice informative video. At the end of pistol range day, I always set up 2 idpa targets at 25 and 50 yards and put 50 rounds on each one. 90 percent of the rounds are A zone hits. It pays to practice long and short distance so you can be prepared.

[@papimaximus95]

IDPA targets do not have A zones. You mean the "down zero" area.

[@jimmcfaul699]

@@papimaximus95 I stand corrected.

[@paulscountry456]

The trial of Hickok in that incident was complex and as interesting as the gunfight.

[@ScrappyXFL]

Huh, I'll have to go looking for that. Thanks

[@leroymorris6036]

thats some great shooting! Some men have more talent than others with handguns but with training many can achieve it...

[@flightparamedic505]

Excellent presentation Mas!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad you liked it!

[@BearPapa49]

Good history info. Thank you

[@nasserkuzbari2205]

Thank you.

[@ctrguy]

I sure love the irrefutable historical stories & facts that u share with us!! These people are absolute heroes as well as being inarguable. The brave historical stories you share from memory are even more impressive & poignant example of why 2A is so critical to a safe, thriving society!!🤙🤙♥️♥️😎😎

[@JohnDoe-fu6zt]

While Dickens's first shot was from 40 yards, his subsequent shots were from decreasing distances. As he engaged the killer, Dickens CLOSED THE DISTACE, firing as he advanced. This shows excellent tactical instincts and skill. Delivering accurate fire while moving forward is a lot harder than it may sound if you've never tried it: it takes practice. I believe Dickens had no formal training. An amazing performance by a real hero. Anyway, if anyone is doing a "Dickens Drill," you should do it while advancing on your target.

[@countylineengineeringmachi2942]

Another excellent video Mr. Ayoob and Wilson Combat! The grey sport coat, burgundy dress shirt and white tie is a great look too! Pure class! I’ve gotten to almost prefer training at a bit of a distance. Usually 25 yards if I’m at my local indoor range because that is the furthest distance offered. If I’m at home (summer only…..Minnesota winters….brrrrrr!) I’m normally at 30-40 yards. After getting used to it, shorter distances are a cake walk.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

A smart move if you own or live in a estate, farm 🚜, ranch etc would be to measure out distances, ranges BEFORE any lethal force event. Do a brief "rehearsal" in low light 🌃 & normal daytime. Break ins or home invasions can occur at all hours.

[@countylineengineeringmachi2942]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Ya know…….that’s excellent advice and something I never considered. I’m going to take your advice and give it a whirl. Along the same lines, I’m going to plan on practicing every once in a while during the cold winters for similar reasons. Way different conditions. Cold temps, with a heavy coat on. Many thanks there guy!

[@harleyquinn8202]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Also practice shooting without ear protection because you would not have a chance to put it on during a home invasion 😂😂😂 And concentrate on head shots because zombies cannot be killed otherwise.

[@eddiexoc8430]

Another excellent video. Thank you.

[@tedmckey6914]

Excellent video, Mr Ayoob. The statistical silence of Disaster Avoided just can't overbear the static of a nut accomplishing mayhem with a gun...

[@billhoppe2991]

Awesome. Thanks. You'd be great at being the audio voice of Stephen Hunter's novels. I've followed your teachings since you started and am in your debt.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Wow, thank you!

[@donaldflynn2899]

i can sit and listen to you all day the amount of knowledge and clarity in your videos are amazing im new in the firearm world about 3 yrs in and listen to all your videos . thank u for who u are

[@zethseth6856]

This has to be one of my favorite videos, there are a lot of events people don't talk about, so it's nice to hear these stories retold in such a heroic a manner great job guys

[@dknollRX7]

Stephen Willeford, at the Southerland Springs church. He did an interview with Crowder, where he goes into detail about the distance and circumstances of the shooting.

[@markyoung2981]

Excellent presentation, thank you for your time posting this important information.

[@jongutmacher1277]

Really enjoyed watching this video. Also a "Hey" to Massad who I haven't seen for years.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@StealthyNomadica]

Mas, thank you for this presentation. It is so important to train, train, train and practice, practice, practice. God forbid we ever have to use that skill but God forbid we ever needed it but didn’t have it!

[@punisher0717]

This guy Is the best fire arm guy I’ve seen. Real life Ron Swanson of firearms and defense 👍

[@ericbertoch673]

Outstanding as always! Thanks Mas!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bobdixon4998]

A warrior on the right for the right and moral!

[@Clyde_Barrows]

God bless these brave men and all those who protect the innocent.

[@sombra6153]

I read recently that Eli first engaged from cover and concealment, supported, with a G19 - fired 4 rounds, 2 hit the murder and two missed. Friendlies then ran in front of Eli and he moved closer to about 25 yards and fired 4 more, scoring hits. Then he moved to within 25 feet and fired his last 2 and then the murderer was no longer a danger to anyone else. Shooting at 25+ yards with a handgun is not outside it’s accuracy capabilities, although distance messes with the person shooting the handgun.

[@haroldhenderson2824]

Good points, "rare" means "It still happens, just not everyday". It is very good that these don't happen everyday. Train, be ready, in case (later today), it becomes "one of those days"!

[@nikolasbbq]

Ayoob - one of the most articulate guys on the net PERIOD and not just about firearms.

[@bobwampler3387]

Mas never disappoints.👍👍

[@leroymorris6036]

Thank you sir.

[@kc0lif]

thank you for your knowledge massad and real stories.

[@ptauagpt]

Excellent presentation of some of our American heroes ! Thanks Massad !!

[@kubikariYOU]

Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy your videos.

[@pwrplnt1975]

Amazing storytelling about amazing men! Thank You!

[@Ed-ig7fj]

Great video--thanks, Mas. A couple of quotations come to mind after watching this: "We must all be ready for that day we pray never comes." --Charles Cotton, President NRA, Nov. 2022 issue American Rifleman; and Officer Greg (You Tube channel) printed on a T-shirt: "Nobody is coming. It's up to you." Stay safe! --Old Guy

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks for sharing!

[@navchaps3449]

Thanx Mas! Great, as usual. All the examples go beyond self defense and illustrate defense of others, Wild Bill being the exception. It seems to me that defense of others is a different game in terms of training, mindset, and legal issues. I would be interested to hear your reflections on the differences between self defense and defense of others.

[@chrisphillips490]

Very informative. Thank you!

[@ronaldbrown5796]

good info. keep up the research massad

[@garybrown422]

I love this man's story telling skills.

[@paulis7319]

I wish someone could interview Mr. Dicken. It would be interesting to hear his point of view.

[@ScrappyXFL]

You have to be careful about asking. DA's change and TMI can be used for Mens rea

[@koomo801]

8:39 "Jack Wilson told me..." What an honor to speak to Wilson. (And vice versa!)

[@eddieengland9886]

Great video reminding us all to be vigilant and stay well practiced in our shooting.

[@slopsec2358]

Great stuff. I've been a fan of Mr Ayoob since the late 70s when I got my very first 1911. Still enjoy his stuff.

[@Grunt49]

God bless Mr. Dicken.