Power Play Modules Elite Dangerous: (Prismatic, Hammers, Pacificer, Packhounds, Enforcer, APAs)

[@catherder6552]

I really like the look of those packhound missiles just because I can live out my Macross missile massacre fantasies

[@smokinggnu6584]

That's why i went for them, and stocked up 20 of them in storage before unpledgeing.

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

Hell yea the Itano Circus missile storm. *cue Nekki Basara Firebomber music*

[@MrTimjm009]

Picture this . Type 10 with 7 hardpoint all with packhounds ( engineered for more damage) 2 hardpoints with Enforcer cannon ( overcharged with incendary / corrosive rounds )

[@ourthasgaming5860]

@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE o0.o

[@bubbalexi]

You gotta break the shields tho before the packhounds will be effective.

[@nikushim6665]

I wouldn't say the mining lance is worthless, its pretty useful for mining with larger ships because of that 2km range (as opposed to the 500m range of a standard laser)

[@idaloki]

The range is the exact reason I am getting it. The 1500 increase in mining range (and damage) makes a very big difference in how fast you can mine resources. It is not intended for combat, but a last resort. Make those limpets work harder! o7

[@shenshih8794]

Agreed. I also put one on every exploration ship, case i need to mine in an asteroid field, or find anything that needs activation, like a megaship

[@CMDRunematti]

but it's only class one, doesn't the mining fragment size depend on the class of the laser?

[@sammorrow8420]

@@CMDRunematti yes. Size matters. To be the most efficient, don't use the mining Lance. They cause overheating, only knock off small chunks. They aren't worth the extra range. The farther you are from the astroid, the longer it takes for your limpets to pick up the fragments. They are solely a novelty.

[@CMDRunematti]

@@sammorrow8420 i wouldnt stay far, but could start far, and keep mining while on approach (it doesnt much matter while the SSD mining glitch is up tho...)

[@therealsylar9877]

You and a few other content creators do the absolute business to bring us all this information. You literally do more in my life than some people i actually know. Keep up the good work sir.

[@TheFrankyboy1985]

ahhhh so THATS how you get prismatic shields!

[@j.vinton4039]

I found one of your threads on a different forum and I liked how you got around the whole grinding for 4 weeks. It read “pledge, stay till week 3, then grind out your merits so once it hits week 4 you have your 750, stock up on what you want, then defect” or something along that line. Going for pack hounds atm since I live in LYR space.

[@Margonite]

Each time I select one of your vids, I get sucked right into it! Music does so much 😊

[@LegionKilo]

This is still the best channel for ED, hands down, in my opinion.

[@JolteeAwn]

The last CMDR you mentioned, Falter89, Is the most annoying elite dnagerous player I have ever encountered. He sits outside of LHS 20, harrasses new players and kills anyone trying to leave in open play. I can't believe you had someone like that on your channel. I laugh as he sits there shooting and destroying all my friends in a dropship while he just taunts us and threatens to report us

[@Exigeous]

Yeah, well let's just say I haven't worked with him on a video in a very long time and pretty much never will. The vast majority of the community has shunned him at this point and while he absolutely has combat skills his ability to alienate himself is far far stronger.

[@Exigeous]

WAIT - do you have video of a combat log as I would find that VERY surprising knowing him - if you do PLEASE share it!

[@Exigeous]

Oh, and BTW thanks very much for the kind words my friend, very appreciated!

[@duc_mallard848]

Lol, whatever you think of falter no one is ever gonna believe he combat logged. I suspect he drop a heat sink and your scanners are trash. Don't go accusing ppl of combat logging without definite evidence, even if you think they are a dick

[@Exigeous]

Yep, agreed - honestly at this point I'm going to delete that comment (that someone logged) as without evidence it's bullshit and didn't happen.

[@nonfique429]

6:12 I've never seen that hud before

[@BamHurgr]

it's seen when you are in the gunner role of a multicrew ship

[@tammy7098]

@@BamHurgr no, it’s just the multicrew seat hud. Gunner hud is different

[@chrisklitou7573]

Packhounds are perfect for me when the small ships try to run away with their sheilds down

[@n1ckotene]

Excellent guide as per usual. I've not 'pledged' to anyone so far though I am tempted...

[@Exigeous]

Stop being tempted and pledge right now - as I said you really are just wasting time as there are very few negatives to pledging. Generally I recommend Li Yong-Rui first as the packhounds are cheap and damn fun.

[@AtomicPaperclip]

In what order we should "tour" all the powers?

[@jgomezmoreu]

@@Exigeous you say that in all your videos but... what exactly are those drawbacks?

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Juan D. Gómez M. - if you’re playing in open, other players will try to kill you. Basically Tuesday in elite dangerous lol.

[@TheLampMan-JaE]

Pack-hounds are my personal favorite

[@picsmics4]

So what ARE the negative consequences of power pledging?

[@xomgitsanasianx]

picsmics4 other than if your in a enemy faction system those pledge to them can attack you with no consequences but if you fire back you get a wanted notice

[@mrfreeman1763]

Basically constant harassment outside of your own systems, and you have to be careful who you kill while bounty hunting, make sure they aren't also aligned to your PP, even if they are wanted. It ruined a couple of CGs for me. But the prismatics are worth it.

[@fading_trails]

I've been reading Shield Gen + Booster = Prismatic in terms of shield strength. Is that about right?

[@mrfreeman1763]

Generally speaking, but Prismatics + Booster = Even stronger. They come at an increased weight. You can have shields that go down easily and come back up quickly, shields that go down medium speed and come back at medium speed, or shields that are hard to break but come back up slowly (rebooting helps here). I prefer to have tank strength shields, some people like the ones that drop fast and come back fast. It depends what you do, if it's pvp, you'll want to follow someone else's build to a T, because that's what PVP is all about, not thinking for yourself, just following the latest hot build.

[@OmegaPaladin144]

The consequences of pledging are only felt if you are in Open. NPCs will not harass you.

[@an93lofdeath]

Come for the modules stay for the camaraderie.

[@deusvult7881]

Very informative video, hope to see more!

[@ANolsen]

The Advanced Plasma Accelerator is my favourite too.

[@intergalacticGM]

While I was able to buy 11 pack hounds before leaving I did not take into account the amount of credits needed to get all possible sizes of prismatic in a reasonable amount, I was thinking 2-3 per size from 8 to 6, as I think smaller shields may be less beneficial. But I ran out of credits so I will probably have to stay longer with the princess.

[@biskitz86913]

Oh god yeah, like 200million for a class 8 prismatic or something crazy like that

[@intergalacticGM]

@@biskitz86913 it was actually more than 240M, I ended up buying only 2 size 8 and 2 size 7. Will get back to the princess later this year I suppose, I need a size 5 and 6 at least.

[@biskitz86913]

@@intergalacticGM that's what I did too, 2 of each I mean. Ive still only used one class 8. Luckily I got mine back when LTDs were 1.7 million but these days that's a hell of a grind for 2 7s and 2 8s prismatic

[@intergalacticGM]

@@biskitz86913 it was an intense week or couple of weeks. I used all except 1 size 7 because my anaconda is now an exploration vessel.

[@tringalij]

Outstanding explanations! I wish the game just laid out the advantages and disadvantages so straight forward. I need to re engineer so many weapons now, and dump a lot of these hot trash modules I wasted time on.

[@Dr0dW]

Hey, love the vids! Can you do one on combat manouvers to keep your enemy in your field of view e.g. when and when not to use flight assist?

[@Exigeous]

Thanks and yes, a series of combat videos are already on the list and will be coming soon. I had just unlocked the cytoscrambler so this one was ready to go save for that.

[@Dr0dW]

Oooh, awesome. Can't wait!

[@poseidon5003]

I have a Mamba in game with two point defence turrets that completely negate the Pack Hound missiles. You need two but it does work.

[@cmdrterrorfirma4244]

This is just one of many parts of Power play that i find really kind annoying and stupidly planned. there is only incentive to be "loyal enough" to a power for few weeks to get a "goody", then... whatever... a mechanic that just encourages fickleness.

[@joshn2564]

Always good to have a new friend every month ;-)

[@Fabelaz]

6 of each tier of prismatic shields? that's a lot of space.

[@Exigeous]

:D - no, I didn't word that well, I mean 6 of each module and 1 of each shield size (or maybe a few 5s and 6s).

[@Fabelaz]

Ok then, what do you think are the best mods for the prismatic shields? Don't want to waste too much space.

[@donosporidium]

@@Fabelaz reinforced shields, high capacity

[@AtomicPaperclip]

Wouldn't overcharged be a better choice for the cytoscrambler? Combining long range with the jitter I think would mean more missed shots.

[@MrTimjm009]

I never realised the prismatic shield was so expensive . Im 4 days into that faction but I dont have enough to buy several modules. I will cancel that and go with another for the time being. Ive got the packhounds which I recommend the effort getting. I will get the module diruptor and railgun next. Cant say I will bother with the rest , I can see where they can be some use but not enough to get them and use them enough ( for me anyway)

[@jasonbarker5955]

I disagree that the mining lance is worthless. I have 4 on my type 9 paired with a ton of B rated collector limpets. I can surface mine like a king with the range it provides. Heat is an issue but I can still have a roid depleted and half way through the next while limpets are still fetching from the first.

[@ergogray3143]

The mining lance isn't completely useless, it is for combat however for mining it does double the range of a standard mining laser.

[@25xxfrostxx]

4x range

[@jeff8341]

Very interesting and well made video as usual, i hope you gain lot of subscribers you deserve it see you in the black o7

[@Zelisius]

Bought one of each prismatic. Going after the advanced plasma now because I love those weapons. Question though, will rapid fire with lock breaker result in people sending you hate mail?

[@Exigeous]

No, as the APAs are lower damage than the standard PAs so in some ways they don't get used as much as you might think. My advice (as I run them all the time) is either go with Focused or Efficient - if you go focused and have 2, with one on each separate fire group you can alternate 1/2/1/2/1/2 with them and just stream them out - and yeah, they get super annoying like that.

[@Zelisius]

CMDR Exigeous that's how I use my 2 large plasmas on my condo. 2 different groups with a rail gun also paired up with each. One plasma with lock breaker, the other with dispersal (I think that's the one) to mess up gimbals. I was just curious if a constant lock break would frustrate players

[@Exigeous]

Yep, that's how to do it (dispersal and TLB) - I think 2 isn't really necessary as I'd rather have dispersal in the event you run into gimbals. That said if you're trying to get into PvP get out of that Conda, one of the worst ships for PvP in the game - if you have to go big go Vette otherwise get a medium class like a Chieftain, FAS, FDL or even the new Krait. FAR more fun and much more maneuverable/time-on-target with them.

[@Zelisius]

CMDR Exigeous I play on PS4. Dunno if that matters much, but I just love my anaconda due to its hard point versatility. I am going to work towards a Vette now since I've just about got my cutter finished. Still, the conda was the first ship I worked hard for and engineered. So it's got a special place.

[@Zelisius]

I do have a Krait. Lovely ship with 2 fixed medium mc, 1 large plasma and 2 rapid fire frag cannons. It's a fantastic little hellion

[@PsyMongazoid]

I just unlocked Prismatics, spent hundreds of millions, only to finally realise I'm only going to use it on my Type 9. Still, I've got loads now if I want to delve into PvP.... which I probably won't.

[@ShadowIsatis]

Question about Captain Pelly in this vid, were his beam weapon set to rotate for them to fire nearly all over the place?

[@redmoon383]

I think those were gimballed beams

[@zh4ngx]

Can you explain what is meant by needing to land all 3 shots for the super penetrator effect?

[@silverknight6556]

When you fire the imp hammer it shoots out 3 shots in a rapid pace, all 3 individual shots need to land for the super penetrator experimental to take effect. So if 2 shots land but that little viper boosts and you miss the mark with the 3rd bang, super pen doesn't happen.

[@zh4ngx]

@@silverknight6556 Interesting - it seems like that would make more sense for feedback cascade. Does only the 3rd shot do module damage to all modules in trajectory, then? Or the 1st 2 shots retroactively do damage after all 3 land?

[@Delaware-lk5vk]

The last tip was the best to buy 6 of each.. I did not and after that I found out that I cant buy it again and I have to wait another 4 weeks.

[@urded1145]

Exigeous, always there when you can't remember something. o7

[@douglasharbert3340]

The mining lance is useless? My mining Type-10 with 9 x Mining Lances begs to differ. Yeah, it's overkill, but I enjoy it.

[@ARWINGx1]

About the pacifier frags, are they still not the right weapons for me if I tend to prefer firing within (average) 675 m from my target? Just that I've read (and experienced) that I need to be in point-blank range for full damage

[@robdfar]

So i have a question i keep seeing people use the prismatic shields for pve combat but most videos say it is for trader and such that are do not need to do combat or what is it. bi weave or these ?

[@Exigeous]

While it's best suited for traders or specific PvP ships, like the FDL it can be used for PvE it's just that the fast regen of a bi-weave makes far more sense. In PvE you're fighting many short battles so regen is better, in PvP you're fighting one long fight so overall strength can be better. For a trader you need to survive for 10-40 seconds so there overall strength is better too.

[@robdfar]

Ok, thank you. also, how do you have you camera suite set up to get your shots? I have been trying to find a good way to set it up . Joystick. gamepad or keyboard. Sometimes I wish that the game did not have so many bindings

[@Exigeous]

I use my HOTAS to "fly" the camera suit just like I would fly my ship - once you get all the bindings down it's pretty easy and really nice actually.

[@ajmedley4882]

Im doing a Alliance Chieftman build but idk wich PPM should i grab cuz im using shield reinforcement and multicannons also beamlasers most of times i like to fight close and obviously i take frontal damage so was thinking abour the prismatic shield but that multicannons seems cool but idk if its worth it, can someone help me with that?

[@michakasprzak6869]

Do I have to earn those Merits after the 4th week?

[@deanmurphy7307]

I have a question. Once i earn these power play weapons and i defect. Is it possible to still get these weapons or no?

[@HerbZilla]

mining lance is not worthless, great for mining sniping

[@mllhild]

six of each? thats going to be about 2E9 cc for prismatic then. I think I will stay with one of each besides the fun weapons

[@SIX-SH00T3R]

I'd love some pack-hound missiles, now how do I proceed to get those? :P

[@Exigeous]

Pledge to Li Yong-Rui now, in 3 weeks do your 750 merits (have a video on that) and enjoy. Ping me in a month ;-)

[@williambenton2518]

Six if you really want to get gud at PvP master pip management first, FA off second, CQC as much as you can and watch as many video's on PvP combat as you can. Recognizing the situation you're in before the first shot is fired is 90% of the fight. "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious." Sun Tzu

[@blackjaguar254]

@@williambenton2518 "the art of war" (comes into play in real life these days...)

[@andrewmiller4753]

Not really fussed with any of these. Would have been better if there were more sizes + gimballed/turret options.

[@durma77]

You always say the cons of being pledged is minimal. But what is it?

[@raveouscarlias4479]

Enemy ships and players pledged to different factions might attack you more often

[@BannorPhil]

Who would choose to use a mining laser for combat in the first place - and then claim that it's 'completely useless'? What sense does that make? It's the same as trying to use a Pacifier Cannon for mining, and concluding that it's useless too....

[@Exigeous]

Seems you've made my point for me - as one of the points of the lance is you can use it for both, where you absolutely can no use a pacifier for mining. That's why it's pretty useless - now that said it's actually fairly good for mining given the next range (2k vs. 500m) but for the intended use of combat it's worthless (that said I have killed a few commanders with 2 on a Sidewinder which was pretty funny)

[@themog4911]

Poor CMDR Captin Pelley :)

[@ryeencoke]

it seems like most of these rewards are mostly focused on combat, not much for miners, traders, explorers.

[@kranik11]

And here i was afraid that you made an Aprils joke video xd. I was half expecting something like Sandro saying "Oh boy" every second...

[@Exigeous]

Yeah, honestly I tried to come up with one for a few days but just couldn't think of anything that would have been good - I already used the Hutton joke so that was sorta out. I considered doing a mock 3.1 update with the things we really want: simple C&P, bug fixes, SRV multicrew, bug fixes, planetary navigation markers, bug fixes, oh and did I mention bug fixes?

[@kranik11]

Do not forget about bug fixes and a cg in which we are required to give up all of our credits to gain less credits :3. But still, that would be interesting ^ ^.

[@kranik11]

Still a great video of course!

[@WickerNipple]

I'm glad you didn't. April fools on the internet has become increasingly irritating and I subscribed to your channel precisely because your videos are direct, to the point and succinct. Keep up the good work CMDR.

[@gobba]

Do the modus stay unlocked if you change power?

[@Exigeous]

No, they do not - you have to buy all you'll need and toss them in storage. I always buy 6 of each module (and 2 of each prismatic shield size)

[@gobba]

CMDR Exigeous thanks!

[@Repher001]

Are the mining lasers maybe good for depleting meteorites faster?

[@batteryhun78]

Thinking about the same, then it would make sense

[@Exigeous]

Nope, not at all - the only difference is combat damage. And honestly you'd never use small mining lasers on a "real" mining ship. That said I do run 2 of these on my mining Python as I spent a week to get them so damn it I'm going to use them. But they really are totally and completely worthless.

[@Mallinuts]

They are extremely useful for a highly specific build and playstyle Mining lances have a 2 km range, which is 4 times the normal mining laser range. So if you are in to mapping Resource Extraction Sites (which most full time miners do), this laser will enable you to chip fragments and thus prospect asteroids at a very long range and hence you can map an entire RES within short time. If interested, search for the DBX speed prospecting build on the miners subreddit wiki (which should also features a KZbin with a demonstration)

[@DanielDrake]

I use the mining lances for material farming as they have superior range, also I can fit 3 of them (havnt tried 4 yet) on my python and use them without depleting the distro, meaning I can check rocks before prospecting.

[@Mallinuts]

Daniel Drake in that case you might be interested in the following: 38 Lyncis planet 4 A-ring (inner one) has arsenic as rare drop (the 3-2-1 rule for g1-g2-g3 mats)

[@fmarti20]

Is it just me or does it seem like my fully engineered beam laser/multicannon combo is still better than any of these 😂

[@raveouscarlias4479]

Depends. My high capacity packhound missile boat conda is an absolute unit

[@crackheadengineer3716]

when someone says "mining lance", you say "absolutely garbage", i hear "bounty hunting type-9"

[@CMDRArsenCross]

Content is good. You however made an error with winters pulse disruptor. It is not exactl y like scramble spectrum. It's targeted and not random. The disruptor has a small chance to malfunction the specific module it hits. If it just hits hull it will not cause malfunctions.

[@Exigeous]

Ah, thanks for the correction - I understood it was the same but if you sub targeted modules it would do specific damage. I'll admit it's the only weapon I couldn't get access to as I'm currently pledged for it, hence no screen shot of it's stats.

[@troybrice4531]

The very first power play weapon I unlocked was the Cytoscrambler. Almost completely useless before engineering. It left such a bad taste in my mouth I quit power play for a while.

[@Exigeous]

Damn, that's a shame - yeah, time to get some good ones.

[@vehicleboi5598]

powering playful

[@NinjaZXRR]

Passenger missions bring in money but shit I already have a full time job I wonder if there is a faster way to make money?

[@Exigeous]

At the moment nope, at around $100M/hr it's the most efficient right now.

[@NinjaZXRR]

@@Exigeous Thanks for heads-up then again I'm still an FNG to this game

[@MrRyanMcCall]

Thank you sir

[@Skill5able]

Dispersal Field scrambles gimbals and turrets, dazzle shell "reduces sensor acuity", afaik that simply reduces their range It takes a full hammer burst to cancel high tier banks, it also takes several round from regular rails. Otherwise you'll be reducing a bank's effect by a lower amount Retributors are just sad kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZeVl6OEh6iqic0

[@Exigeous]

Damnit - I knew with as technical as this one was I was going to screw up something - thanks and sorry I said Dazzle when I meant Dispersal ;-)

[@kalzonenu]

Incorrect Zarmina Torvals Mining Lance are proberly the best equipment in the game i would even consider it being more usefull than Collector limpet. Obviously you dont spend much time farming/mining.

[@agingerbeard]

I know this is an old vid but you're so wrong about the mining lance.

[@republicofsandles]

Why are so many of the big names Irish?

[@LSCrazyCabCo]

mining lance is the top of the line mining. it beenin a lousy weapon? FOOLS!! who in there right mind would use it exclusively for that 2.2k range on a M-lazer chops 20-30% of a rock befor you even get in range with the other ones to finish it off and thats just 4 of the things!

[@ToriYamazaki]

Such a shame that these trinkets don't STAY unlocked when you move on. You can't predict which sizes and how many of each of these modules you'll want later so it's a bit of a downside there for powerplay. That's what is keeping me from pledging. Seems a huge grind only to need to re-grind it later.

[@Exigeous]

Oh man, don't let that stop you from getting otherwise great modules. Now that we have storage it's easy - personally I buy either 6 or 10 of the module, depending on what it is. For Prismatics I bought 1 size 7 and 8 then 2 of every other size. I do also own 2 T10s and 2 Gunships that are only used as storage (over 650 engineered modules in my fleet)

[@ToriYamazaki]

Thanks for the encouragement CMDR. It's still on my to-do list. Which would you recommend to go for first?

[@Exigeous]

Well it depends on your goals. The prismatic shields are very popular but as they are very expensive in class 7 and 8 you'll need $400m credits to buy and store them all. Enforcer cannons are amazing but rather niche as they are a fixed class 1 mulitcannon. Personally I generally recommend the Packhouds first as they are just a ton of fun to use and are VERY effective in both PvE and PvP.

[@ToriYamazaki]

Thanks :-)

[@williambenton2518]

The only thing a T10 is good for

[@DanTKD87]

Power play modules will be temporarily removed from the game.

[@Jay-sn7wu]

i feel like i wont use any of these..

[@sisterninnin4499]

Etc size does all this shit come in

[@25xxfrostxx]

The mining lance is NOT completely worthless. FFS. It has 4x the range of a normal mining laser and if you only think of it in terms of "weapon" you're really missing the point. Ecample: Cutter is 200m long. Regular mining laser has a range limit of 500m. You have to put your nose 300m from a rock to hit it. Or, you could use one of the best mining tools in the game, the lance, and mine from 1800m away and be clearing out a second rock while your limpets are cleaning up from the first.

[@M4NAH1MEK0]

The Mining Lance sucks big time,any other mining laser performs better also please take a look at where the hardpoints are placed ina Cutter you idiot,they are "IN THE NOSE" not on the tail,hopeless noobs.

[@psychkick666]

why are most of these weapons useless? save our grinding time? thanks

[@25xxfrostxx]

They were added 5 years ago before engineering existed.

[@DNH17]

Much better than other videos u made. Not explanatory too fast not explanatory... this one is good but u give for granted the whole faction and powerplay part which i ignore. I am exigent .. i wish u made the noobs part clear before telling all these things.

[@Exigeous]

This isn't a video for noobs - this is a more advanced part of the game for later-stage players. Stick to the in-game tutorials for now then to my playlist for brand new commanders. After a few hundred hours come back and things will make more sense.

[@johnnypatterson77]

Is this video still relevant in 2023?

[@douglasharbert3340]

Yes. Nothing about any of these modules has changed.

[@coffeenator3219]

your voice is just 5/5

[@planexshifter]

You should only be allowed 1 Power Play module- Just kinda immersion/lore breaking for someone to have support from so many different powers-

[@somnorila9913]

And make the modules to worth the time as from what i seen in this video there is no reason to go for any of these as the "normal" stuff is better.

[@matthewk5005]

FIRST

[@Exigeous]

Says the douche.....

[@MrWinotu]

I am tired with this game... there should be some goal and purpose of playing - for example what you get the permit to the System better missions (more paid, more interesting and complex?) should appeear.... I am doing same things for all the time and cannot play it anymore... And this funny moments when you cannot land on Earth-like worlds, Mars-like.... omg.

[@Exigeous]

My advice is this - make your own fun. Elite isn't going to lead you through anything so find a role and play it. Are you a trader? Miner? Explorer? Maybe bounty hunter or pirate. Find a player group. If you haven't visited a nebula go. If you haven't seen a geyser find one. There is a stunning amount of content out there, you just have to make up the story and find it.

[@holobolo1661]

Lol the pronunciation of all the names is so bad. ArCHon Delaine(y), Arissa Lav'y Duval. This guy is definitely an American haha

[@mrfreeman1763]

Just glosses over Prismatics as if they were a trinket at a gas station.

[@Exigeous]

Not sure how I glossed over them any more than any other power play module. Sure, they are a good module but they are used far less often in the PvP community than bi-weaves given their extremely slow regen time. I'd never suggest a pilot go for them as their first PP module, not only due to the slow regen but the extremely high cost given you'll want to buy and store all of them. If you'd like to post a link to your detailed tutorial on them please feel free and I'll happily approve it.

[@MRKetter81]

I wouldn't say they're bad for PvP on bigger ships given the insane regen time of the higher class shield generation... most ships at that point are popping SCBs to keep the bubble from bursting, because it will hurt no matter what. Also some haul tanks use them for extra hit points. It all depends on your play-style. In general for trade they are great to have, because you can keep your highest module-slot free for more cargo when you're doing what Elite was actually made for... grind grind grind grind grind