Elite Dangerous | Frontier Unlocked April | Powerplay 2.0

Join Arthur and special guests in this highlight from the April Frontier Unlocked livestream, as they discuss more of what you can expect to see in Powerplay 2.0!
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[@Gdank72]

I just came here for the comments!

[@RidgeRacer]

🍿 Here, I've got enough for us both

[@thoraxepi]

Would it be possible to build stations in uninhabited systems to grow the population?

[@hazardous4759]

this is something I've been asking for for literal years. I understand it's very hard to make such a system but it would make the game truly infinite and give everyone something to work for forever. I hope that one day it becomes a reality.

[@GatisKaulinsh]

Seamless transition between systems and more things for explorers to do, FSR2 or TAA is all we waiting from day one+. Ok give me at least TAA!

[@timeflex]

basically, DX12 support

[@k_continium6556]

interesting... It's high time we did something with this... We'll see

[@TSINIproductions]

This all sounds good! I quite liked the idea of powerplay, but I never really understood what I was doing. This sounds like I’d be able to understand what I was achieving this time.

[@seekertarakonna3569]

Oh boy !!!!!

[@KitHavok]

Helmet VR View for Odyssey ! 😊

[@timeflex]

And fix for those extremely annoying vibrating mid-far shadows in VR (especially in VR)

[@timeflex]

Please, consider the graphics engine update to utilize DLSS/DLAA and DX12

[@nightcatarts]

I really appreciate the removal of decay on the Powerplay stuff. Will equipment still be offered as loyalty rewards though? It sounds as though it's gonna be passive upgrades.

[@Sirkrow96]

Just making the engineering less grindy would be enough.

[@Conan-The-Librarian]

It would be nice but not even close to enough. I wish people like you stopped encouraging laziness.

[@solitaryhermit8874]

I heard they will be doing this.

[@BrianVaughnVA]

We have two MAJOR things we should be allowing in Elite Dangerous if the political stance is important. #1 - Fully dangerous and destroyable Cruiser / Titan class ships. If we're in the middle of a warzone with another political party, I want to see a capital class ship jump in, but not just fire off tiny pew pew lasers. I want every weapon they fire to be as dangerous as (if not more so) the biggest guns we have, including one GIANT weapon that could completely fucking wreck anything it fires at (but you can out maneuver it once your computer system detects it - kind of like a railgun that literally is a RAILGUN.. a giant one shot weapon that could take out any ship we pilot in one shot, but we have like three seconds to change direction out of its path etc). But no more just hitting a turret until it warps out, oh no I want to see these fuckers being wiped out. We have to target heat sinks until the core/power plant manually vents, but then we have to hit that until it dies - or - it warps to a repair location that is heavily defended. MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A WAR... #2 - Allow us not to own (yet) but to join capital class ship crews. Imagine eight players all being allowed to enter a capital class ship with SLF fighters and the ability to use turrets or the big railgun ON A CAPITAL SHIP with other NPCs in the system. We can't be the captain/commander, but we can be assistants to help out. This now only diversifies PVP and PVE, but it gives players a chance to play other roles. This would have to have ship interiors though as we could run around the whole ship trying to get from A to B, repelling boarding parties (which should be a feature we could do - have someone park their ship next to a cruiser, or send out a boarding party in a smaller ship to cut the welds and break into an airlock). We will give you the money if you keep making this game better, that's a fact.

[@Conan-The-Librarian]

YESSS but the one shot BFG should be telegraphed with sound and light so we can avoid it. And boarding and fighting inside of the capital ship for control or to sabotage would be amazing.

[@user-mg8fn1bq9d]

Those two ideas would be amazing and would probably being players back to the game.

[@nikisepps]

...yeah...sounds like Star Citizen though... Im worried FDEV doesnt realize that.

[@BrianVaughnVA]

@@nikisepps Star Citizen asks for upwards of $500.00 if not more for some ships and you cannot buy those in game. That game is a broken pile of nonsense, FDev needs to LEARN from all these failed space games and just do it better.

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

And it’d be cool to see other kinds of capital warships. Like a Federal navy cruiser jumps in instead of a Farragut.

[@moogleslam]

Can we PLEASE get proper VR support for Odyssey!

[@winny625]

Meta would sell a lot more headsets if they gave away ED as a free game with purchase for PCVR buyers.

[@PoloCaspian]

Just started playing this week and I’m super excited for this new power play update mainly because if the grind for ship upgrades stays similar (granted that I’m not gunna buy a prebuilt ship) I’d enjoy having something that is worth a grind besides finding drugs for engineers and stacking money. Just my thoughts as a new player it could be very possible I’m not upset as most of you because I haven’t spent the time playing the game yet

[@joaotextor4094]

GREAT to know they are open to change Powerplay 2.0 to Open mode only if the community is ok with that.

[@Doubleelforbes]

Will it work though? I tried to have a go at Oya last weekend, 4x glitched out instances, I tried to go private group and it threw me to Open without realising which turned out to be ...... another glitched instance. (After 1000's Ls trip and multiple goid interdictions!) It's also a shame that for Titan's 1 & 2 you acknowledged this problem and credited players all the same with the rewards, but this time - You do 18.03 which seemed to make the Titan experience worse. Yet since you claimed to have "fixed it all" with 18.03 - No more credits for glitched out attempts? Now how do you expect people to engage in PP2.0 if it's gonna glitch out like the Titans *still do* ? And if it DOES bring more players online at once, won't that just guarantee all instances act more glitchy? Whilst I'm here, if that Python Mk.II is NOT a twin-FSD ship so we can make ANY kind of use out of SCO drives ......... or the SCO drives don't get any better - Then it was a complete waste of yours' and player's time. The reward ratio is NOT worth cooking your ship or emptying your fuel tank (even though you filled all modules with fuel tanks!!). The only "turning point for humanity" here is that the fuel rats are about to gain control of the entire galaxy! Oh .... and 200 Bookmark capacity with over 4 billion star systems? Terrible Idea!! If anything, I hope that 3 months worth of ARX payments for folks who want that Mk.II early will tempt you to invest in some of the things mentioned above as well as many of the community's other complaints. PP isn't scary .... it's just dull web-clicker turn-based stuff with flying on top. Even if you make the maths more complex or even make it "accessible", it'll still be dull - You should've prioritised VR-on-foot, 200 bookmark limit, the nerfed SCO drive, still-glitching Titans, Gankers and all the other things which take the sheen off of what could be one of the best games ever.

[@seekertarakonna3569]

Well spoken thank you..some of my thoughts aswell..

[@Crusina]

If you think SCO as it is now isn't worth it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrKilladark]

Cri moar not enough.

[@AlgoFodder]

A little cheese with that whine?

[@adrianwilliams6577]

Interesting, I've kept Happis in Miphifa in 'Boom' for weeks and they have the tiniest population imaginable, Happis offers shorter, more appealing transportation jobs than the surrounding systems (such as get 850 Bertrandite and we'll give you 50 million. The jobs offered are more appealing, easier and shorter than those offered in the surrounding highly populated systems.

[@nomad_lyfe]

This game has so much potential and they're not just wasting it, but ruining what little there is left of it.

[@Fester_]

Any chance of folk giving some positive comments rather than running everybody down ? Perhaps positive comments would encourage people.

[@nomad_lyfe]

@Fester_ I do like what they're doing with the power play and visual redesigns, not all is bad, it's just overall over the years when the community has been telling them what they need an they get underwhelmed by qhat seems a lack of good decision making and care for an amazing and beautiful game, we hate hard because we love this game 🎮

[@DavidUtau]

​@@Fester_comments should reflect the overall feelings of the community. Want better? Do better.

[@Omniscient_01]

Thing people ACTUALLY want: Ship interiors, planet atmosphere, base building, ease of exploration.... Frontier: anyways, heres a "refresher" on powerplay, no extra content just a face liftish

[@lumyat7803]

Yesssss ship interiors would also allow seamlessly getting on and off the ship. That would humiliate star citizen honestly

[@timeflex]

DX12/DLSS/TAA support

[@bilowik123]

Everyone thinks they want ship interiors. In reality, they will walk around their ship a few times, maybe for 10 or 15 min, then a couple months after the release of ship interiors it is essentially ignored. The novelty will wear off. And the devs know this, this has been the most requested feature for many many years, yet they still haven't done it. Why ignore such an easy W with the community? Bc the amount of work in 3D modeling every single existing ship interior and every future ship interior is astronomical and not worth the few hours of novelty it would give to players. This is why it will never happen. Ask for new long-term gameplay mechanics and features, not brief, short-term novelties.

[@Omniscient_01]

@bilowik123 your take assumes ALOT. First of course, were not asking for an interior to be just for display. There has to be interactive hubs and storage areas, maybe you can repair some of the modules from the interior. Etc. If they make it boring, ofocurse it'll be a "short term novelty". But if they actually try to put themselves in the shoes of the players and reach for the immersion that players are asking of the game, they could completely revive the game and add a much more personal and in depth element of the game. I'm not saying it's an easy feature for the devs, but I definitely am saying if they could do it right, it would be very much worth it, for the devs and the players.

[@Wassup-Doc]

What we all really want is elite dangerous Three the next stage of the evolution of the game with Ray tracing, Proper anti-aliasing, landing on planets with vegetation and like real living planets, a whole new evolution of the gain completely transformed into the next generation of computer simulation and graphics. Is stable and it's possible to make this game the best most advanced space Sim in the world but it's gonna take vision and it's gonna take some money and it's gonna take a plan that one that you guys actually stick to.

[@user-ln7qq7fs7v]

bla bla bla can bring friends 33:40 and see who has the biggest guns. yeah, that will be kinda hard as the opposition will be hiding in private groups!

[@Anoobvia]

Still no mention of powerplay modules?

[@MrKilladark]

Nothing is changing for PP modules.Same rating needed i would assume juduing by how they did not address it. You dont lose rating so just grind to a certain rating and as long as you pledged you can bbuy it anytime.

[@cetifoxproductions]

So, I can see how all the PP changes will be very beneficial for those who already find that aspect enticing to play. Kudos for those changes. It's still not an aspect that interests me at all, honestly. I'm not competitive at all, and I try to avoid as much grind as possible--even with all those changes, which sound great, it's still grinding for something I don't really want. There are reasons why my commander lives in Colonia. No Thargoids, no powers. Less ganking.

[@SeventhCircleID]

...gotta be said guys... of all the really important stuff you should be working on to turn Elite around, powerplay is kinda bottom of the list. Don't complain when this does very little for the game, and things comtinue on their downward trend.

[@glt5943]

Hi, sono curioso di sapere se dopo tanti anni di percorso e aggiornamenti possiamo aspettarci una tanta desiderata localizzazione (traduzione) del gioco in Italiano. Per me e molti italiani che hanno difficoltà con l'inglese rimarrà solo un sogno? Grazie

[@UATrackerReally]

It's clear. Realistic lighting (VFX effects) will be a must, and will continue to eat up the video card in studies like Oddyssey. No new optimization for a good image (lighting, textures) with power saving.

[@Xethavosh]

So open only? PP really needs open only.

[@CONTINGENCY_sys]

400 Billion Stars in what I feel is the "Galactic Landscape". Pop the bubbles boys or get a bubble blower. 2 bubbles and a bridge is why only 1% sits firm. Let Stellar Forge expand the game for you using what is openly discussed on many channels Live and unscripted. You want them to use PowerPlay, make it powerful in terms of motion. Statements of Galactic impact is gained from massive moves. Fleets of Galactic Powers outside of instances in open space, contested systems, unsecured systems, systems of interest (Uh... we had a Galactic Mapping Project did we not) and utilize the entire capacity of Stellar Forges replication capacity to search out locations that make sense and have real value for productive political turmoil. The bridge is only one of thousands upon thousands of Neutron and White Dwarf Super Highways that they can move across the "Galactic Landscape". Remember Political isn't the only Galactic Powers. The Powers includes the manufacturers and production companies and their interests. Shipping, Trade, Resource rights, Production exclusive and Private Contracts. It's great when you communicate with each other in your space but guys, listen, if you just want to build the game for yourselves then you are on a path by yourselves. You have a community that won't break your bank in development, assist in reuse of existing mechanics in new ways, and inspire you and your crew beyond what you feel is "developed" into what we know is "undeveloped" and "not fully explored within the capacity of the game". You can do this, but you will not do it having conversations with yourselves. This can be a top tier game if you widen your view a bit, as well as your conversations. The game can already do things that you keep walking right past time and time again. I'm on board PowerPlay is lacking but you are missing Power Play as what it can actually do for the game. Only a piece of the overall conversation for this subject to be sure.

[@gilmoreja]

This all sounds pretty good to me! I messed around in PowerPlay for quite some time; the new systems utilizing different activities sounds like quite an improvement from just only shipping merits around.

[@Deathbunnygirl]

This looks exciting but I'm hoping to see how this applies to on-foot gameplay. Will there be new missions for on-foot, new features while on-foot, new guns?

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

Just came back to Elite... abandoned it after the Odyssey flop, and it honestly feels nice to be back, and just run missions of all sorts while chilling... Powerplay 2.0 seems to be a bit more catered towards the 'casual' player as well perhaps, gonna definitely give it a shot once introduced :)

[@winny625]

Awesome in VR without the Odyssey.

[@nooneeyeno]

Based on my experience with Power Play version 1, which was introduced early in the game's release, I have some thoughts to share. Prior to Odyssey, Engineers, and even Horizons, Elite is known for being a huge grind. Unlocking the Engineers, for example, required a tremendous amount of material gathering from all over the bubble. Once you pledge to a power, you become a target if you fly into another power's territory. The interdictions become more frequent and intense, as if you are wanted everywhere except in your own power's influence. Unfortunately, the risk versus rewards ratio is way out of balance. The benefits, such as some useless modules or weapons, do not justify the grind for your pledged power. That is why no one plays Powerplay anymore. Additionally, the developers did not mention how to leave or unpledge the power once pledged. As it stands right now, you are treated as a traitor for a certain timeframe, perhaps a week, and are wanted everywhere. If the developers could give commanders anonymity, concealing their identity from the power they pledge to, then one would not be treated as a criminal outside of their power's influence. This simple change would make Power Play 2.0 a great addition to the game. Of course, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

[@franader]

What would happen if for example 90% of players align with one power and eliminate all the others? As unlikely as it is, I'm interested in entertaining this scenario in my mind

[@sidrat2009]

FDEV will ensure this won't be possible. I've never really believed the BGS was entire player influence based which could be entirely wrong but it's just my gut feeling.

[@johnp6693]

That what happens now

[@cetifoxproductions]

Ugh...more about carriers. I completely ignore carriers, I filter them out of the nav list panel.

[@gulliblemuppetsheep135]

YOU CAN STICK YOUR MICRO TRANSACTIONS WERE THE SUN DOESN'T SHINE!!!

[@RatziFatzi]

???

[@Deathbunnygirl]

How do you suppose they make income?

[@CMDRRustyDog]

So in your basement then ;)

[@gulliblemuppetsheep135]

@CMDRRustyDog your great grandkids are going to be so stupid they will need a Elon Musk to put a chip in there brain just so they can tie shoelaces.

[@NickHunter]

*where

[@NullVoid-rm7jm]

If any of you still play on Playstation, I could really use help with some of the trophies before this game goes offline forever... I'm struggling with the 10 community goals in particular

[@mooncalf191]

I'm going to go play Freelancer again.

[@cohenworrior898]

This is you guys _explaining stuff?_ If you know about Powerplay, you can sort of follow what they're on about. If you don't, you're left wondering. We can do _actions and do stuff._ Really? Who could have thought. But please, show us some more _branding._ 🙄 🙄 🙄

[@Riomrf2]

Gentlemen pilots, I don't really understand. will the purchase of ships be carried out only for real money? is it pay to win?

[@Ryan-lx6oh]

No Elite will never be pay to win.

[@Meowstodon1]

No, I recommend Burr Pit's explanation video. It's really not that bad.

[@stanleymorse3260]

Only for three months.

[@Zer0megaXX]

IMO no, since their not completely maxed out engineered ships(like maybe tier 2 on SOME modules), just options to say if your interested in thargoid warfare and you just started, a means to get to said game play easier, more of a pay for entry convenience.

[@Aggrobiscuit]

Sometimes I think people would prefer FD to go bankrupt (as seems to now be happening) than actually pay them for continuing to provide updates to the game.

[@Conan-The-Librarian]

I think every loyalty rank should unlock one weapon that is now associated with different power so we do not have to power hop to unlock every thing. Weapons and module engineering should be attached to the power rep and current engineers should be left to outlaws. More layers of engineering should be added current one should be just the first layer that could be accessible with only credits and any additional layer is applied with 50% of the previous one effectiveness and some additional cost with limit to 3 this will fix the problem of every one flying the same ship. Care packages could be used to redeem new types of ship modifications like upgrading the weapon port to size bigger or enabling weapon port to accommodate 2 weapons that are size lower again this would increase build variety. Law enforcement licenses that enable outlaw players to be tracked within the systems that player unlocked the licenses this would facilitate PvP. This update is a nice start but game needs allot more work. Every in game system needs massive expansion and tons of quality of life fixes, fact that we can put size 1 module in to size 7 slot in your ship and just lose all that space shows how neglected Elite dangerous really is, I only hope that this is just the beginning.

[@untchableninja]

20mins in so far and no mention of why players should care about these super powers and their influence 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kennykelley8874]

Can they fix arena by adding bots until the lobby fills up?

[@DominicanMarine129]

To be honest with you, i'm a hardworking individual. I don't really get too much time to grind. And play games as much as I would like to. I'm glad that elite dangerous is doing this. For me to find an engineer and to engineer my ship. Would take me at least 4 to 6 months due to the amount of time I have to game. People complain and talk about pay to win all the time, but when you're actually working individual in the real world, sometimes you would have to pay the win to actually progress in a game.

[@dantesinferno7350]

What about the interaction between PP powers and player Squadrons. EG my Squad EIC is an Imperial group, but what happen when an Imp player group controls the system when another PP power owns the system. Ie what happen when 2 differently aligned groups (PP and Faction) are in the same system???

[@Francesco-ow4ud]

Still flying on PS5, my journey ain’t over! o7

[@sidrat2009]

It's great your enjoying the game, but this update won't reach the consoles sadly. At least not that I've seen.

[@Francesco-ow4ud]

@@sidrat2009 I know, unfortunately, since odyssey was announced, but that’s the reason of my comment 🫡 still out there, even if abandoned, as voyager 1 & 2

[@chriswilliams868]

They literally have the opportunity to do what Starcitizen is doing but better deciding to kill the game like this is absolutely ridiculous

[@danielguyton8976]

Haha, they don't have the money to do what Star Citizen is doing. They had the chance back when they promised Ship Interiors, EVA and actual planets with alien life and atmospheres back in the Kickstarter but they reneged on that. Now they realize they're out of money and out of talent so selling ships for real money is all they can do and nobody's going to buy ships without interiors for real money.

[@MrMartinSchou]

> They literally have the opportunity to do what Starcitizen is doing Like what? Not releasing a game for almost 12 years? Crow funding for Star Citizen started in October 2012. For comparison, crowd funding for Elite: Dangerous started in November 2012. Comparing Star Citizen to any game that has actually been released is beyond ridiculous. It's in contention with Duke Nukem Forever for longest development time, IF Star Citizen ever gets released, and as far as I can tell the only other still unreleased game that has spent longer in development is Beyond Good and Evil 2. It's been so long since Star Citizen started taking people's money, that people have started in high school, finished high school, gotten into college and completed a full doctorate. Star Citizen is not a game. It is a cult that scams its cult members into believing that "any day now" there'll be a game, it is glorious, and it will make them happy for having spent more than half a billion dollars on tech demos.

[@FredericAsebi]

@@MrMartinSchou c'mon now. Star Citizen is a lot of game. it takes forever to finish but you cannot deny the progress it has made and the content there is. and yeah, I agree it's pointless to compare SC and E:D. they're two different game with different philosophies. It's possible to love both, you know. no need to call people names. those are just games anyway.

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@FredericAsebi Star Citizen is still in Alpha, and people have been paying insane amounts of money over the last 12 years to be alpha testers of a still unreleased game with a budget of, so far, $600+ million. It is the epitome of feature creep, bloat and ego driven development. Manor Lords is a single man operation, it's beta is going into early access tomorrow, (April 26th, 2024) and I'd argue that it is more of a game than Star Citizen, and is clearly being developed by a far more competent developer.

[@alexandrechampagne4948]

You guys need to released oddyssey on console

[@balazshajdu4612]

Actually useful comment here: Regarding Powerplay 2.0 , I am a 100% PvE Pilot currently playing in Open for some cool RP experience. Listening to the very exciting ideas for PP 2.0 , I would encourage having it OPEN ONLY. Reason is, since it seemingly shapes the galaxy very significantly, and the whole gameplay aspect will shine by interacting with each other. Also if whatever I would do in solo like trading tons of stuff for a power with 3 of my firends while others try to duke it out in a full out battle, and then we end up doing more, that does not sound faire for the hard battling open guys, and I see it encourageing going solo for more players, which does not sound to be the point of it. Overall very excited , Powerplay needed an overhaul, and from what we heard now, I wouldn't have expected such cool changes! Looking forward to it! About the Many angry 'pay to win' comments careful with ARX based ship purchases, but at the moment I am not afraid, many reactions are blown out of proportion in my opinion.( like the world being afraid of AI without knowing the current state of it anyway)

[@stanleymorse3260]

They can't have open only powerplay with paid ship access. One or the other, but both is too far.

[@balazshajdu4612]

@@stanleymorse3260 I disagree, the two things has nothing to do with each other, 1st off, if you are a newby and buy a prefit ship, you wont be able to compete with seasoned pvp-ers or even long time veterans with engineered ships, sencond off , if you are experienced player you will still fly your custom made ship for PP2.0 but we will see. In my opinion preset ships isn't = pay to win not even gonna throw up the balance, I take it one step further, it will not be for new players at all, but if you are say a long time explorer only and wanna take a shot at xeno play, or mining for once, go buy one prefit ship get into it before going through all engineers or building a new ship in Shinrarta... As of now I don't see prefit ships to be such a threat for the game to become = pay to win! But it must kept under control for sure!

[@sidrat2009]

I've rarely experienced a stable connection when flying with other players, annoyingly often dropping in to different instances entirely or them seeing/not seeing the same NPC ships as each other. Their entire foundation of the peer to peer network wasn't flawed exactly just limiting from the day one. This lack of vision has plagued E:D throughout all the updates. Obsidian Ant one of the most relaxed and chill E:D fan on YT was bought nearly to tears following the Engineering update I believe it was that one or the following point patch. There has been a lot of waste with E:D' development and a lot of goodwill that players have had has been eroded to the nub. However great experiences will always win out (look at No Man's Sky with their free regular and massive updates over the years), and E:D can be saved with the right changes, reiteration of what's already there and introduction of new ships, game mechanics etc etc. over the years. Better communication and previews of what they want to do will also increase the visibility of their direct choices and will - people can't help themselves - but it will also add to the number of ideas and tweaks that could be implemented.

[@tweaked74]

How do they expect those "massive player battles in a system up for grabs" if it's not open only? You will still have everyone hiding in their own instances.

[@mathiaskluba]

Thanks for all the love you put in the game. o7 Will carrier have the same design for all faction or will we see notable differences as the battlecruisers ?

[@evaone4286]

I'm so excited for paid ships! Not...

[@chryc1]

The comment section is more toxic then a ass hole 😆 . Seriously the paid ship is not even paid to win . Is pre build very mid and very basic . Is not even woth it to buy for a veteran and im ok with it

[@leoholanda4992]

Yes! People don't even know what they are talking about! It's just following what others are saying without thinking about it. It's not pay to win at all. You are paying for time, not more damage, more hull or anything like that.

[@Akainm4]

​@@leoholanda4992 if they have made a game where the GAMEPLAY is not rewarding enough in its own, they need to revise the gameplay so that it is. You'd get more people to buy and play the game if it were fun. Instead they're cashing in on sunk costs and charging people to skip the unsatisfying part of their game rather than improving it. If you make a game people would rather pay to not play. You're terrible at your job and deserve to fail.

[@johnp6693]

Then don't buy one

[@BatZie]

I was hoping for a return to console-specifically PS5

[@tweaked74]

It's never happening.

[@darkpit2157]

God wish xbox version wasn't abandoned

[@Tom__L]

Is anything planned to get the LEP owners something worth the money they spent?

[@TheEpicKomrads]

A pay2win model was the last blow to the corpse of Elite (Yes being able to purchase ingame non cosmetic items with irl money is pay to win) And it being worthless to purchase for veterans is even more ironic because it means all the time and money you spent ingame was worth more then you spent on buying the game +2 expansions.

[@Angeluzito08]

That's what you say, if you don't have money to buy 1 game then Elite is not for you. The majority of the community supports investment in elite. We don't want the game to die. but stupid people like you go around saying p2w p2w... without even knowing what they are talking about

[@Filbo_Fraggins]

yeah its really not p2w tho it just means you get it sooner (unless i miss heard)

[@TheEpicKomrads]

@@Filbo_Fraggins You'll be able to buy ships with prebought loadouts. Sound like pay2win 2 me.

[@chryc1]

​@@TheEpicKomradsis not the pre build are not even worth it to veteran 😆 is just a take soemthing to participate but that sit . Not really strong to

[@arrynroyce72]

@@TheEpicKomrads How do you win Elite Dangerous? Even if you buy one of the shoddy builds you still have to know what to do with it. I doubt that anyone who would pay for one of these is a seasoned pilot.

[@JAGER686]

Talk about beating a dead horse. Frontier is going down the crapper.

[@jorgeeliecergutierrezgonza9074]

play2win

[@radjartfr957]

to attract new players there are other solutions than buying ships... doing a main quest, making engineering materials more accessible, and much more! you are going to break our game... do you just know what free insurance implies in pvp? you're not going to bring in new players with this... listen to us!

[@ReggieCuriel]

They never do, you should be aware of this by now

[@davidgman420]

What about the PS5???

[@johnp6693]

If it is not only in open then you should not even mention PVP

[@uhjn]

yeah, buying ships is the worst move you could've made

[@bloodwing9597]

I dunno, scrapping console development is the reason they are on this fucking boat to begin with

[@JohnyG29]

All I wanted was a remake of Frontier Elite II, a nice relaxed single player game. Not all this on-line nonsense...

[@ReggieCuriel]

Now that brings back fond memories!

[@sidrat2009]

I was very happy they left the bulletin board in. I wish however they introduced more 21st Century game play loops in to the game or plans on doing so. I think the only reason I've stuck around was the weekly and then fortnightly short stories which added so much vital depth and personality in to the E:D Galaxy.

[@ruorick]

I'm closing the book on Elite, the story has officially ended for me.

[@chriswilliams868]

Starcitizen it is

[@leoholanda4992]

With PowerPlay 2.0, let me tell you. You are missing the best part of it. Elite Dangerous will be full of LIFE, not GHOSTS!

[@dscrafted]

@@leoholanda4992 they haven't even shown anything exciting for powerplay yet, it's not gonna bring much life at all. Just a spike for 3 months and it'll be dead again.

[@DavidUtau]

Nice

[@DavidUtau]

​@@leoholanda4992worst take I've read in a while

[@PWReviews]

Yes pay 2 win is a bad move but in a sense I suppose it will help bring in more players. This in turn could support the new powerplay system. Anything that gives more life to this game im all for it. These may not be perfect decisions but still Elite in my opinion is the best space game out there. I want to see it keep going and I hope it does.

[@Mireeeec]

TLDR?

[@LennertWeijers]

Elite dangerous; once a great game. Until management made very poor decisions, like leaving consoles. If they didn't, they would have a bigger user base and not needing to try to resurrect this corpse of a game.

[@caramba10]

Should have always remained a PC only game, diverting resources to support consoles was the biggest mistake along with messing with roller coasters and Zoo's. Before the Console crowd get all defensive, if there wasn't the PC game in the beginning and the players who plowed money into the alpha and beta tests there wouldn't even be a game at all.

[@Omniscient_01]

​@caramba10 no yout crazy, elite dangerous was best when console was still around. They NEED the revenue from console gamers, it is 100% on them for not planning ahead with compatibility. Look arma reforger as a reference, console players have solely kept that game alive and its finally paying off for them. Unlike elite

[@blackcobra8849]

Grinding 2.0, these designers don’t have any ideal of how to be adventurous, a warrior,a hero, have a hard 9 to 5 Jobs and to build or conquer a world. Increase your influence mean Grind, Grind. There no way to properly manage your systems, so you jumping back and forth. I am out

[@greendango3375]

07

[@cetifoxproductions]

What about in-game player factions? Since you stopped submissions for those, what's replacing this? I don't much care about power play. I do care about player factions.

[@TerrorTerros]

R.I.P

[@tudu8822]

Oh please make it open only 🙏

[@AidenIlkhani]

If you do move PowerPlay 2 towards Open Play only in the future, can you design the system to allow Private and Solo to enjoy their own server with PowerPlay 2. The best thing about Elite for a lot of people is the fact that you can play solo and in private group. I personally do not care about PvP, but I do want a proper PowerPlay system in Elite to enjoy. Would it in that case also be possible to increase the influence the player can commit towards PowerPlay 2 during solo and private group play. With the direction of PowerPlay 2, it also seems obvious that solo and private group would benefit from being completely separated from Open Play, so that PvP groups can enjoy their server progress properly. So perhaps it is better to just decouple solo and private from Open Play entirely so PowerPlay 2 can excel in both.

[@Byehk2047]

Please Fdev, I really like Elite dangerous I really believe it can be a great game, just focus on what people really wants, then u can milk dry the game, earn like EA, star citizen, but u gotta be sure to make it good, like it’s worth it. or else, just release the codes to modders to the public at least they can do great things for u, eventually this game will end up becoming a liability for u if u just won’t let go and won’t improve it fundamentally

[@winny625]

Recharge the bounty hunting game so that it attracts newer players and bring back the RNG rolls for engineered modules, it made it fun instead of the grind.

[@CMDRVariXx]

I really hope Frontier proves everyone wrong. It feels like Elite is at it's peak right now.

[@Pixx2266]

lmao... "peak". Elite's peak was about 5 years ago. Downhill ever since.

[@leoholanda4992]

I genuinely believe it will. Elite Dangerous has we knew is going to die? Probably. But something even better might come. This PP 2.0 shows that they know the way.

[@ReggieCuriel]

You definitely need to share whatever it is you're smoking, in order to have been able to make this statement...lmao

[@p0k314COM]

So freemium mechanics into 15 old product on ancient engine (which still crashes after exiting the game) and without detailed roadmap. What are you smoking there?

[@arrynroyce72]

The buyable ship builds are incredibly lackluster. Did anyone even look before giving their little ultimatums about leaving or proclaiming elite is dead for the seventeenth time? I couldn't care less about people buying mediocre ships to skip some grind if it means the 10-year-old live service game gets funded to give more content.

[@Daemonettee]

This

[@Kottery]

Assuming the money even goes back into Elite rather than being funneled into Planet Zoo...

[@EtheE]

Selling bad ships for $10 is even more insulting.

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN

[@cmdrandreyuenari4150]

It's not pay to win

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

@@cmdrandreyuenari4150 It very much IS pay to win. Paying to get a ship earlier than the poors, paying to get an already kitted out ship because you have money? It's pay 2 win every which way you try to spin it, and it's disgraceful. STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN STOP PAY TO WIN

[@cmdrandreyuenari4150]

​@@TheLukemcdanielThe pre build ships are far to weak to be considered pay to win because you can't win anything with them.

[@thoraxepi]

Would you prefer a subscription model fund the dev team?

[@defiantraven7915]

Time to play Star Citizen. If I have to buy ships I want a game that will still be here in a few years time.

[@FredericAsebi]

not quite the same budget though XD. man, I just watch the last ISC and I'm hyped for the engineering gameplay. now, If only I had friends to play with. fly dangerously, citizen (perform secret handshake) o7

[@Venhili]

We'll see you two out in the 'Verse in SC!

[@raymcoy]

Will they one day put icy planets or planets with atmospheres? maybe when there are only 2 players left because the game is currently incredibly dead

[@angelolima4811]

Where is the new galaxy Andromeda specifically for console players that have been waiting all this time

[@battmarn]

Was this ever even mentioned by the Devs? When did they mention multiple galaxies?

[@angelolima4811]

@@battmarn when they make up what they took away from console players for 3 years

[@zontarr8812]

Instead of a new political fight in the game, that time wouldn't be better used to develop real futures and content for the game? I am fed up of politics in real life, can we just have a brake and relax and explore a SPACE game? with more and more ships or more races or more srv's or new vehicles OR Frontier Antichrist>the ship interiors< ???

[@Default0102]

Was the pay to win aspect of the game necessary? This heavily undermines the overall experience if you straight up buy a ship with zero effort, and do chores with it to get more capital..

[@rollinsgamer2559]

Open only

[@DominicanMarine129]

Frontier? I want you guys to know something. I stopped playing a lead dangerous because it was too grindable. As a working man who is an actual working man in the business world, I don't have much time to game. Yes, you have some gamers who say Hey. I'm a working individual who has time to game and grind, but I could guarantee you. Most of those individuals are not working jobs that bring home six figures. Once you implement this I could guarantee you. I'm absolutely gonna start playing a elite dangerous again.

[@SewerynPas]

yo can you make it so that i can purchase fast travel for £900 pls

[@Barry3819]

These greasy devs are deleting comments.

[@user-ln7qq7fs7v]

taking away lunch time and bringing pay2win to the game, what a sweet deal!

[@rodolfo.mecanico2rodas]

Don't get it twisted by the toxic comments. The ships on Store are very, very, very basic builds. Just for people ENGAGE in activities. It's a starter pack. I loved the changes in the game, I hope it brings more players to this wonderful universes. Thanks FDEV for the AWESOME work! o7

[@maxb2227]

It doesnt suprise me that they stopped talking to the community for a long time when you guys overreact this hard to bad ships being availible to buy, and then completely ignore the major rework that they have been working on.

[@Pixx2266]

Dude how do you breathe with your head so far up your ass is one of the mysteries of the universe.

[@leoholanda4992]

I'm so disappointed with the players calling Elite Dangerous a p2w game. Stop acting like spoiled kids. This year we will have PP 2.0 and a new feature. It will be a exciting and will make Elite Dangerous a game full of LIFE. If you don't like it, the problem is not Fdev or ED, it's you and your strange idea of fun. People want to have fun, let them have it!

[@dscrafted]

Nope it's just the beginning of an end, Fdev has made nothing but bad decisions for elite and many people are refusing to give them another cent. The one thing elite still had over SC has just disappeared. And everyone who thinks this is a good thing is delusional and exactly what Fdev is trying to abuse.

[@duanethomas2843]

Well said

[@davedanter]

This is awesome, ''ED/odyssey'' needed this kind of boost, a refresh, all this moaning from the old guard is pathetic.....its not only your game, there are planty that want new ships, fully loaded, do overtime at work if you want more grind. Im definately back one the ships drop, exploring, simplistic and more time playing, less timewasting. Best damm news since ''ingame ship prices went up'' in Star Citizen.

[@MrSandermander]

Don't do this p2w things. Especially in such dumb way. New players wouldn't pay extra money for the game which they aren't loved enough yet. And old players wouldn't pay because they don't need this pre built ships. But lots of players already upset by your decision.

[@angelolima4811]

You forgot the return to consoles and no one cares about powerplay we care about engineering new features and exploration

[@Bl0ckfett]

The point is, we waited so long for new ships, and you know that. Now you want to make money for that? I full understand that you have to pay people how create the game. Buying the game and for many years content for free is in this world really hard, so you HAVE to make money and for a good game no problem. But why on a new ship that I can have 3 months later. Make cosmetics and sell the, make some cool ship kits, some new exploring things or whatever and sell them. I'm fine with that, but not with a new ship. o7

[@user-mg8fn1bq9d]

Can't you just wait 90 days to buy it with credits?

[@simel2007]

Buying ships is a big fu to players who have spent hours upon hours to earn what they use. Now you can just swipe to get the same thing, clearly this is a final cash grab before the game is no longer supported as Horizons failed.

[@bunexmr]

pay to win unlocked

[@PartizanRus]

No PvP, stupid grind for random bars. Also pay2win sets. Bullsh!teplаy 2.0. No.

[@dantesinferno7350]

Please god, allow undermining and battles in OPEN only. So tired of cmdrs sitting in solo impacting the BGS

[@maxb2227]

Wish all the whiners would stop whining, and saying stuff like paid ships having free rebuy is broken. when the state of the in game economy is that dying in a fully A rated cutter doesnt even put a dent in most peoples finances. Wake up people are making 2 Billion an hour sometimes. Anyone experienced caught buying these things will be laughed at. They are for new players only and practically useless for anyone with LITERALLY ANY EXPERIENCE.

[@bunexmr]

shill harder

[@maxb2227]

cope harder ​@@bunexmr

[@jowpana]

Please look at what EVE does. Remove solo and private mode. Make a real economy between players of ships, weapons, materials, etc. And put dedicated servers even if this means charging a subscription. In my opinion, it is the only way to revive the game...and if it doesn't work, they don't lose much because it is already dead.

[@thoraxepi]

Eve has a lot of good lessons to learn from, including the economy being primarily player driven, but that being said the fact Elite is a robust space dogfighting sim with great ship controls make it a superior game. I wasn't happy to find out that EVE didn't even have planet landing.

[@jowpana]

@@thoraxepi Imagine for a moment that you could have the best of both games. For me it would be the definitive space game.