Elite Dangerous - Needs SHIP INTERIORS?

An exploration of the many possibilities that ship interiors could bring to Elite Dangerous. From salvaging to research, from crew interactions to EVA. As with everything in Elite there is a lot of untapped potential and ideas.
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0:00 Intro
0:51 In-Depth Salvage Operations
1:59 EVA Missions
2:45 Boarding and Close-Quarters Combat
3:24 Ship Emergencies
4:13 Deeper NPC Interactions
5:01 Smuggling and Stealth
6:03 Scientific Research and Discovery
7:23 Tactical Planning and Briefings
8:10 Maintenance and Upgrades
8:58 Ship Customization
#elitedangerous

[@TheSlaughtermatic]

The worst part of Elite Dangerous is knowing how good it could be.

[@uriotv1613]

This

[@NOLA_playmaker]

especially if they fix that horrible AA issue.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

Right? Elite is like that beautiful escort you love, but her pimp treats her like crap.

[@portugalmath]

and knowing how little are the chances and Frontier efforts to make it better

[@BLAZE13011]

It's a painful pill to swallow for sure

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

Ship interiors was the only reason I wanted space legs. And the only thing that'll bring me back

[@aliakeel]

same.

[@WhiteLocust]

Same

[@trashcan7340]

In a few hours staring at interiors you got bored. You would know every screw. What's the point?

[@SpaaaaceMaan]

@@trashcan7340 To walk around and off your ship, In SC something as simple as [getting out, going to a planet-base and grabbing a mission, then getting back in] is made 10x cooler and immersive by making the player action those steps. In Elite, you press exit and you're out. You lose the immersion, the feel of humanity. So you lose the entire cool aspect of walking planetside purely down to that very first action failing you. Your first step is automated. In SC, your first step takes you roughly 3ft closer to the exit. Walking around may lose its "Wow!" quickly, but the feeling and immersion it brings is permanent. It's an unavoidable reminder that you are a human in a big tin can.

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

@@trashcan7340 you don't stare at ship interiors, you use them to add real multicrew, and ship boarding. As well as customization and gameplay options. It's much more interesting and immersive than being glued to a pilots chair.

[@kieranhewitt786]

I wish they did. It would bring me back to the game. Sit around in my ship orbiting a black hole. Some music on. Peaceful

[@dannyroe1697]

but then the game is basically a youtube video and there already is youtube videos that do that....

[@trashcan7340]

You'll got bored even faster. You must be kidding

[@kieranhewitt786]

@@trashcan7340 Nope

[@trashcan7340]

@@kieranhewitt786 yep

[@WickedScott]

@@trashcan7340 I don;t know, I never seem to get bored of doing it in SC. Of course, it's all I can do in SC lol

[@Gunthrek]

I'd be back in an instant if they did an expansion based on ship interiors.

[@demiserofd]

I did a poll recently, asking what people would be willing to pay for interiors. The average answer was zero, with another 25% saying 2 dollars. Given that all of the content he suggests could happen without interiors at all, how much extra would you be willing to pay for the interiors without any content? IE, if you could pay 30 bucks for EVA and Salvaging, how much more would you add on for the interiors? another 20 bucks? 30?

[@dito4lyfe]

I’d pay another $60 for it too!

[@djeser374]

Same i rather pay fucking 79.99$ even if i will not have food for the month

[@DmitriKrasyukov]

@@demiserofd I would be willing to pay $29, give or take, and would come back to the game for sure. I haven't touched it for long time at this point. Would have to relearn how to play if I come back lol

[@heyspookyboogie644]

I’d have taken that over Re-releasing thargoid bases as motherships.

[@garethlawton5278]

The bases were just crashed motherships from the war with the Guardians... Hardly a re-release. One is dead terrain and a map, one is alive and has a butthole.

[@quantum5661]

dealing with strange and otherworldly hazards inside your ship would be cool, like "scavenger sv-4"

[@heyspookyboogie644]

@@garethlawton5278 I meant a re-release as in reusing the same model. Odds are the bases were always intended to be motherships. But regardless of the order they played out in the story, it’s the same thing with a slightly different paint job and now you can’t go inside it. It’s not the sort of thing that should have taken year(s) of work to release.

[@jzero90921]

@@garethlawton5278 got a kick out of this comment thank you xD

[@Pecetos]

@@garethlawton5278 I was thinking they ware not crashed but just growing there, like barnacle sites where very early stage of that

[@samaitcheson7057]

So many missed opportunities. Bittersweet, but thanks for helping us dream about what could have been Ant.

[@salikaa86]

Ship interiors would have worth 1000 times more than this thargoid war thing... I really feel that ED has been in a spiral down, losing players forcing them to commit less, which causes losing players and so on.

[@thomasbriscoe2357]

Funny how people keep saying this and yet me and my friends are back because of the house content 😮

[@Neo-vz8nh]

Winning the lottery would have worth 1000 times more then working in a good workplace. The Ship Interiors are a dream, the Tharg war is reality. And the reality worth more then dreams.

[@WELLbethere]

​@@Neo-vz8nhIt's not, the thargoid war is so boring, we're literally killing the same npc's we've had for years except now theres a mechanic behind it instead of being completely pointless.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@WELLbethere Yes yes, working and dieing are suck, how much better would it be if i won the lottery and become immortal. You get my point? You are comparing a dream to reality.

[@WELLbethere]

@@Neo-vz8nh So next time you take your car to the mechanic, pay him to fix an oil leak, and he gives you the car back with the oil still leaking but your breaks don't squeal anymore, I'm sure you'll be totally ok since reality vs dreams or whatever right? Fdev is not a lottery, they are a game design company, one that promised us these features way in the beginning when they started asking for our money.

[@jobt1999]

Imagine if Fdev was competent and listened to the player demand instead of kneecapping every feature and abandoning it after its release

[@NeilAFawcett]

You mean a lead designer with a draft excluder toy wrapped around his neck didn't do that?

[@COLDZA]

Remember...if you use the feature then we'll think of fixing it... that mentality to multicrew really drove home the IDGAF jobs done mindset fdev had...has

[@fragglelrock]

They added space legs after player 'demand' and then the players shit themselves in rage. I would not listen to the 'community' if I was them!

[@NeilAFawcett]

@@fragglelrock Yes, and I'd brand 'ship interiors' as even worse than the arguments than ended up with the biggest development effort ever for ED being basically pi$$ed away on mediocre FPS content. It's all based on cheap paper thin feel good sales pitches which rarely translate into meaningful gameplay mechanics. And there's a myriad of existing gameplay areas that could vastly benefit from some development effort and more important, good design.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

It would be so much cooler to rescue people by physically getting out of your ship and grabbing them rather than scooping up a canister.

[@kayaahr]

Yes, it always felt kind of creepy to "rescue" pilots by selling them as canisters to a space station. Would be so much cooler to see them in the passenger quarters and receiving a rescue reward when they disembark from the ship on foot on the next space station.

[@relawson]

Death Stranding style sticky gun. OMG

[@andrewparkin4036]

You could also add to this by having some escape pods holding possibly criminals so there would be the chance of having your ship hijacked or possible due hard style play where you take your ship back from the criminal. You could even have some form of alien inside the pod that then gets loose on board.

[@ColinPaddock]

@@andrewparkin4036 If Alien has taught me anything, it’s that the alien monster looking to hijack my ship could easily be inside a perfectly harmless passenger. Make sure you have a competent doctor and equipment to scan any passengers you take on.

[@ColinPaddock]

I don’t remember what happened. Everything seemed normal. Our engineer hit the bunk early, suffering a hangover from liberty on Colonia. Everything was going normally. Next thing I know, you guys are reviving me from the lifepod.”

[@heyspookyboogie644]

At this point, I’d love to see elite / elite server hosts released as an open source project

[@existentialselkath1264]

I'm curious how a multiplayer game would work if its open source. Who would run the servers? Which fork is used? Would anyone be able to change the game to their liking? What would count as cheating? Etc

[@ErnestAllen]

Or they could just open source the VR code. They don't want to work on it anyway, so the community would whip it into shape for free. I'd imagine changes to their base game would be needed first, but the gains would be worth it.

[@KaiKrakow]

I'd rather see a port to Vulkan first so we'd have a solid modern render engine. As can be seen, DirectX 11 really doesn't handle it well - you really don't want to add VR support to that. Using Vulkan offers better compatibility with open source but OTOH, DirectX 12 could work fine, too, the open source layer vkd3d for translating DX12 to Vulkan is performing quite well. That said, my ships are powered by Linux and it works well. 🙂

[@xPAINEx_Twitch]

Give us 3.8

[@einseitig3391]

I recall circa 2015/16 they abandoned the idea of supplying Elite on a DVD/Blue Ray disc. With console versions, similarly abandoned, perhaps they could resurrect the idea (for consoles) to get the last update for the XBox One/ PS 4. That would keep me happy until I became geriatric.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

What it would take for me to come back to elite: - Renewed focus on single player / solo activities - a more personal structured narrative. Ie a purpose beyond work for the sake of work. More like a choose your own adventure rather than an rpg or no individual story. - faster progress in the galaxy’s story - something in-game equivalent to Eddb - a way to catch up on years of grind / developments without more years of grind - stop nerfing any reasonable way of making significant money. Either make things cheaper or let people make more money. overall, I’ve always wanted elite to have more narrative beyond what developers make special for themselves to do on live streams, and to be able to play elite without it needing to be a full time job’s worth of grinding. You shouldn’t HAVE to put 40 hours a week into elite to get anywhere. Sadly, I lost faith a long time ago that frontier was capable of any of this, nevermind that they’d actually do it.

[@Foxiol]

Amen.

[@wrofiir9697]

The grind just needs to be totally redone. There should be a variety of ways to collect materials, but they went the 'hardcore mobile gacha' route of having tons of exclusive currencies for incremental upgrades. It's terrible. At least give us a passive collector. Small mining devices that can hold X amount that we can leave in an area to gather up mats per day. Also if Thargoids are the new gameplay focus, give new players 'baby thargoid' stuff so they can start from Day 1 and slowly build up to scouts and interceptors. And while I don't agree with having a story, new players NEED to be guided to the good content somehow. My friend yesterday was SHOCKED that I thought elite was good, because he, like many players, bought it because it looked like a cool space game, and was totally and utterly lost. Not everyone is going to go the youtube/guide/how do i play this route, many will just get a refund. I even explained to my stepdad that the good content had to be worked for, but he did like 3 repetitive mission board missions and lost all interest. I can't really blame him, the cool content is locked away pretty good.

[@ruorick]

Sounds good. Will have to find it in another space game though, ED will eventually be left behind.

[@Ebalosus]

Progression in ED is nothing FDev never really nailed down, and I feel that’s due to the game essentially launching in early access, meaning what would’ve been a crutch until the minute-to-minute engagement improved became the norm of the game up until the present day.

[@ThePokemon11]

Not sure how long you've been away from Elite, but you can make well over 500mil in a single combat run doing massacre mission stacks. Been like that for the past year or so.

[@MrWhybull]

If they implemented half your ideas, I’d still be playing… I believe it’s too late for ED and these will be great ideas for the next great space games.

[@billywashere6965]

Almost all of these are planned to appear in SC in the next year or two (especially everything involving engineering, ship repairs, and multi-crew management/logistical planning/maintenance).

[@Merudiana-the-local-demoness]

@@billywashere6965 Oh yeah, I’m SURE that those will *definitely* be added into SC in the next year or two. With Star Citizen, we should not think about what they are going to add *eventually* because we all know by now that it’s all going to be delayed to infinity and beyond. We should instead look at it now, which is a pinnacle of modern simulation technology that’s somehow already leagues better than Elite Dangerous…mostly because of real ship interiors.

[@StockportJambo]

X4 already has most/all of these things, and X5 will likely take it to another level.

[@WELLbethere]

​@@Merudiana-the-local-demonesspinnacle of modern simulation technology? The network performance for the biggest funded game of all time isn't even as functional as Hunternet Starfighter. I don't even know how you can say that when even Arma has more simulation going on than SC yet they've had 100 player servers that worked far better than SC for years. You really need to stop drinking the Chris Roberts kool-aid my man.

[@Merudiana-the-local-demoness]

@@WELLbethereGreat job with missing the sarcasm that I was obviously getting across and instead going with the section where I was very slightly positive. You’re obviously *very* fun at parties.

[@MassDefibrillator]

This is what everyone was thinking of when they said the term "space legs" so naturally, everyone was massively disappointed when somehow Frontier interpreted that as "land legs" that had no interaction of any significance with the sapceships in the space game.

[@sephiridan5279]

Boarding active ships, exploring/salvaging derelicts -- thanks for sharing some of the potential for ship interiors! There's a lot of potential gameplay here, but it would have to be fully developed. Even without player ship interiors, I wonder why the Ody on-foot experience doesn't encompass things likes exploring the interiors of the Generation Ships, which could be very atmospheric and immersive gameplay, IMO. Love your ideas for more science/investigation style mechanics too -- great stuff! Wish it were likely to be a thing.

[@elainenox6661]

Agree

[@MrThomaskirchner]

THIS!!! This would get me back into the damn game. How in the hell are we piloting such HUGE ships and never have any other crew or even a look around

[@Hifi-Nomad]

Neuralink 😂

[@Pretagonist]

Ship interiors is probably the only thing that would get me back into Elite

[@volodymyrsukhyna5932]

You have described recipe for my perfect space sim. Good piloting that's already there in Elite but more immerse and meaningful game play.

[@Kathrynerius]

I remember asking this question in 2014, lol. Unfortunately in 2023 I just play Star Citizen for that full EVA anywhere with ship interiors experience. Funnily enough, I'm doing all these things mentioned in the vid in SC. For instance, in 3.19 inside a derelict Redeemer (massive ship) salvaging components off of it.

[@oldpeculier4919]

Me Too.... :)

[@caramba10]

Is SC worth getting at the minimal entry point (cost wise)? or do you need the bigger better ships.

[@RevrendHedshot]

​@caramba10 you can make some good money with a starter ship then either rent more specialized ships or buy them in game,

[@Kathrynerius]

@@caramba10 Worth it at the base price, as ships, gear, clothes, guns, skins, and whatever can be gotten with in-game cash. The prices on things aren't insane in-game. There's no billion dollar ship. You're looking more at the 1-5 million dollar range for most, and that's easy to make in a day. Even with starter ships, you can easily make 100k an hour. You can also rent ships in-game with in-game money. So you can go rent out some big ship for 5,000$ (peanuts) for the day or week or whatever and do something that makes more money with it. My favorite when I started out, was renting a Cutlass Black and ROC miner, and mining in caves/on the surface. Used to make 100-150k an hour mining hadanite. It was convenient because the shop I was using had all the mining gear in the world for sale/rent. Suits, tools, equipment, you name it. Also sold one of the biggest backpacks in the game there.

[@ledheavy26]

​@@caramba10I recommend at least getting the Avenger package if you're starting out. You get a ship with a bed, an actual decent weapon hard point load out to do actual combat, it has a cargo bay and most importantly two ways of entering the cockpit that includes an ejection seat. Easy to make money with the ship to upgrade to other ships if you want. I pledged years ago at the beginning and had the Aurora LN (which got nerfed) and paid for the small upgrade to the Avenger and it's the only paid ship I own.

[@Powerhauz]

I have spent over 3000 hours in this game. Ship interiors alone would have doubled my play time with ease. I would have bought every ship, explored more than I ever did (bgs/power play combat pilot), and actually cared about the beluga. Everything you've mentioned would have been icing on the cake.

[@jtrillo1115]

It would be great if interiors allowed you to do niche things that you wouldn't be able to do from the cockpit. Some of my ideas would mostly apply for explorers, for example: Your AFMU is understandably never able to repair your powerplant, since that's what powers your AFMU in the first place. Manual repairs on modules would be something only you yourself could do, while the entire ship is powered down and you have to navigate with a torch to the maintenance panel and crawl into your power plant. Or the same with the AFMU itself, if you aren't carrying 2. * Manual module repairs * Access to the fuel tanks to be able to dump fuel * Being able to tweak modules, maybe temporarily, to perform small new functions - Tweak your navigation computer to be able to manually set a long list of jumps, which automatically routes your ship. With spansh's neutron plotter, this would be two or three times more efficient than the in-game plotter. - Tweak your cockpit HUD display to remove or re-add certain aspects, such as remove an the top right or bottom left information panels, or remove the selection rings around bodies when your cursor is near them - Tweak your FSS to be able to function while moving or while charging the FSD - 'Hack' your docking computer to let it auto-land on planets while you're inside your ship, because it already can when you're not for some reason??? * Lock doors or vent the atmospheres of select rooms One thing that would actually make performing most of these things fun would be adding *room for error*. You could try to repair your powerplant, or make an error and damage it even further. You could try to dump a small amount of fuel, or forget a step and end up dumping all but a ton of it. Or start a fire. It would be great if there was some challenge to doing these things, as these operations are no longer being carried out by the certainty of machine. Even better if what you're doing actually looks like what you're trying to do for the more complex tasks, as oppose to some minigame that serves as a front which has no connection. For example if when having to repair a power plant, you have to actually determine the fault. The more it is like real world engineering, the cooler it would be. These are just a few ideas, and something tells me implementing such gameplay would take a LOT of thought, resources, and time.

[@Leoneldolara]

It's a dream for ED faithful players like me, and I will never lose faith that some of the Frontier's ED staff would listen to us. Transporting goods and people has no sense without this and, even with the lots of problems with ED Ody... adding this will make one of the more complete space games ever. No other way if they want to compete and put ED back on the ring.

[@DeltaGen42]

This is one of the reasons I left Elite Dangerous for Star Citizen. Sure SC has way more bugs, wipes, issues etc, but I can do what I want. Elite keeps me locked up.

[@rotsen3123]

yeah, people always telling us that cig selling us a dream game. yes it is and we can play it now, ofcourse with bugs but enough to satisfy my scifi dream game and they still consistently releasing more and more content and gameplay overtime, so for me i don't bother the release date when you can actually play it you want rn.

[@luckyduck777]

Yeah, that was the dream I had about Elite. Dream that is dead for quite some time. Dream that was actually (to some extent) advertised by mr. David Braben himself in 2014. Oh, how much I wanted to believe - it would have been everything I wanted from an immersive space game. And well... here we are in 2023 and after so many questionable FDEV developement choices regarding the game, these ideas are more distant to reality, than they were in 2014. Maybe if something like Elite Dangerous 2.0 was announced to be worked on, with secured financing and houndred new developers hired and assigned to it, than maybe it could be close to reality. But... I will probably just have to wait (and hope I will be still alive then) for Star Citizen to be released in some at least semi-complete state.

[@grantvaughan543]

You and me both. My oldest boy was just 2yrs old when I stumbled upon and backed star citizen. He's now at high school and plays himself at times. I watch and hope 😅

[@brendan2621]

If you had ship interiors and the ability to walk around mid flight, you could add boarding missions, mid battle repair, etc…. Make it stable and you could really start to match the immersion of star citizen.

[@PrometheanGOld4]

Ah yes I love going to run to repair my FSD while a Federal Corvette with G5 Engineering will obliterate me before I even get to the FSD bay.

[@ScarykidReal]

We need this as I hate travelling while being stuck on a seat as it feels like a loading screen. It will take a while but at least let us explore the cockpit for a start.

[@fistsofsnake5475]

Sorry but walking inside your ship woudln't be posible during supercruise becouse of gravity, unless of course they decide to ditch realism

[@thea-rate6655]

@@fistsofsnake5475 1. Magnetized boots. This is already how fleet carriers are considered walkable. 2. Doesn't have to be walking. There's already a pretty in-depth movement and physics model. In theory, they wouldn't exactly have to start from scratch to implement actual zero-G movement for players. And our suits already have thrusters.

[@fistsofsnake5475]

@@thea-rate6655 does magnetic boots alow you walk on wall? I not saing about walking in zero gravity i talking about walking in gravity when down isn't where floor of ship is but where engines are so for example back wall of your cockpit

[@thea-rate6655]

@@fistsofsnake5475 I didn't know that the FSD *produces* gravity. I thought it just works by warping space around your ship. My mistake.

[@fistsofsnake5475]

@@thea-rate6655 I may be wrong, but only jumping warp space. Flying in supercruice means just moving faster than light and constantly speeding or slowing depends or how far from target you are

[@endlesswick]

It sometimes takes a long time to get places in Elite. I think that if there was ship interiors it would give the player something to do on long voyages. They could walk around their ships, interact with crew, look out windows. There could be something like a holodeck for combat simulations. If something comes during the voyage like ship interdiction, alarms could go off and the player would have to hurry back to the bridge.

[@aliakeel]

love revisiting this topic every now and then

[@3dVisualist]

As always, a great, well thought out set of ideas (with superb AI images!). Ship interiors is the biggest thing missing from Elite. I’ve been playing since ‘84! And really wish we had interiors (I still do). This is the reason why I have recently switched to Star Citizen. There is nothing like walking into your ship (even if it a beginner Drake Cutter) and sitting down in the pilot’s seat - maximum immersion!

[@Aztek1701]

agreed 100%.

[@Mokiryn]

Amazing. I've had many discussions with a friend regarding the extra gameplay that can be put into the game with ship interiors. It's not enough to just have the interiors to walk around for me, it's the construct that allows extra gameplay to be created, further expanding the depth and scale of the game. Wishful thinking, but you never know.

[@connorm.]

This. Something I think most people fail to understand is that dev time spent making an interior that does nothing that a simple third person camera can't already provide is somewhat wasted time. If it adds actual tangible gameplay, on par with the time sunk into the system then by all means, but in most instances you get little out of it.

[@pringlewheel]

@@connorm. This is one of the few sensible contributions to this conversation I've read.

[@theorbificator4175]

Ship Interiors, Base Building/Player Created Bubbles, Full Atmospheric Worlds, Raxxla, New Ships/New Fleet Carrier types. All these dreams people have of what could be. Im both hopeful and pessimistic. Even if some of these things do happen, It'll take a decade at this rate. If only I had a billion dollars to give frontier. The Thargoid stuff is cool, but if I had to choose between that or the above, Id pic the above. I just wish I had a solid idea of what they want to do with the game.

[@billybob804]

It would be incredible if Elite Dangerous added ship interiors… If they added gameplay loops that coincide with ship interiors, I would never log out!! I’d be too busy in awe and crying with joy. One can dream…

[@cptnboots3653]

Bless you for bringing this back up again.

[@archondiabolos]

Ship immersion was what has me lost in SC and not ED.

[@Diogenes76]

I honestly feel ED is on life support now and resources would be better spent on a new game.

[@RhondaFizzleflint]

Don't you worry, FrontierDev agrees with you.

[@Kaldortangerine]

i do believe in the FDEV process. they found a style for its design, they stuck to it, tuned it for the gameplay and optimized. now it may need some more optimizing but it runs way WAY *WAY* better then SC which as it adds more and more is also lagging behind on tune ups and optimizations. like a car you can add more stuff, but you gotta tune it before running 2000 hours on it

[@locsphere]

I want to live in my ship, if they brought to VR talk the idea of waking through my ship is just something I’d love to experience in Elite.

[@Fizzlefuse]

So.. pretty much "what if Elite: Dangerous: was as ambitious as Star Citizen". Most, if not all of these things you mentioned are features CIG is actively trying to develop... wich is crazy to think of. Of course, the question with Star Citizen/CIG is if they'll ever be able to make those dreams a reality, or at least within a human lifespan... but that's another question altogether. I do hope we will eventually have a space game that has these elements, if not Elite or SC, then whatever is next.

[@MagicAccent]

Just got a new computer and tried SC for the first time since the fps module came out. It's a lost cause. It was the jankiest shit I've ever played. I honestly couldn't believe it..

[@Optix334]

Your "another question" is already answered. SC is buggy and incomplete and I'm not denying that - However it already has more gameplay than Elite. Just in a smaller area. The gameplay overlaps between the games, SC also just does it better IMO. As of 3.19 I can stowaway on someone's ship, wait till they leave port, hack through their doors and start ripping components out of their slots in an effort to take the ship. Then I can fly it back to my own ship, and take cargo from its cargo bay. Then I call up my salvager friend who strips the hull for even more profit, further filling up my cargo. I can use some of the reclaimed materials to repair my ship or build some tools for later as well. This is existing gameplay right now. Imagine where it goes when the systems like salvaging get past tier 0. Its been a slow grind with many problems for both games. Elite already will never match that existing gameplay in SC, and FDev have told us so directly.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

The engine they're using can't even handle the game they're making. That's why it's taking so long. Meanwhile games like Spacebourne 2 have EVA, Boarding and everything else. The only thing missing is networking. It's pretty pathetic on CIGs end really.

[@alexn8219]

@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa The engine has absolutely nothing to do with the bugginess. It handles what SC can do just fine.

[@Optix334]

@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa games before those had boarding and EVA as well. You're delusional if you think it's anywhere close to what SC does. Lemme know when they get soft death, damage states, realistic weapon simulation with deep customization, etc for all the rest that SC offers in one experience. You're also, maybe intentionally, discounting the work that needs to go into making those things MMO.

[@InfiniteToast]

If Elite Dangerous had Ship Interiors, I would most certainly still be playing the game today. Heck, it might even keep me occupied through all the grinding for materials that Odyssey brought along with it. It still irks me greatly that the 'most requested feature fans wanted' wasn't highly requested enough... To me, Elite died with Odyssey, but, I would certainly give it another shot if ship interiors were introduced, and not just some cockpit limited nonsense. It has to be something on the scale of Star Citizen.

[@tylerjohnson415]

Such a good video. These ideas would add so much depth.

[@CommanderAscorbius]

I'd love to see this stuff implemented. Other games are attempting it and it's taking a lot of development work to get right. NMS has the derelict hunting, SC has smuggling and EVA, Eve has the science, market and module blueprints. It'd love for Elite to expand upon its current gameplay and offer more depth to it. This would be a huge undertaking though with FDev needing to commit to many years of development. Saying that... we're all hoping Elite will be there for many years to come, so why not invest in the game more?

[@1980juseppe]

First of all, I wanted to thank you @ObsidianAnt for a great video. To be honest I was disappointed not to see ship interiors or EVA with the arrival of Odyssey but I still hoped it was in production as it is a logical next step after space legs release, only to hear after about a year of waiting that Fdev has no plans for it or even developing the exploration aspect of the game, which was the main reason for me to playing Elite. And yes, like thousands of other players, believe that this is an inherent element of space legs and this kind of content would give Elite a lot more depth and character that it loses over the years but only if it's done well.

[@ethzero]

What if... FDev fulfilled any of the other Kickstarter goals? 😂😅

[@ianhenk]

I couldn't agree more. Thanks for pointing out what ED could be.

[@sjgoff]

It took them 2 years to release re-skinned existing assets in game. I don't expect to see any major new gameplay loops in Elite.

[@uwu2owovr]

Elite HAD so much potential that was NEVER tapped. Why!? Lack of imagination? Really? Lack of caring? Maybe, but not at 1st.

[@briandentz1707]

all these amazing mechanics and ideas in the game and you cant get out of your seat. you just... pop out. on the ground. how. even if it was just certain template halls and rooms setup depending on ship type, size, and outfitting. and eva would be soooo great. maybe i would come back.

[@ChessArmyCommander]

The idea of whatever ship I'm flying and love, having a fleshed out interior? Sign me up! I want that!

[@sergigbu]

You told everything that you would like to see in games, there are many of them. It would be great.🤝

[@widam]

I would love to see missions in those creepy generation ships

[@skywardsoul1178]

They're in the walls man! It has a lot of potential. One of my favourite sci fi series, Galaxy's Edge, had a slightly different take where all the generation ships were escaping Earth with the powerful elites and the scientists. FTL was developed back on Earth afterwards and they were forgotten. So, centuries later when a galaxy wide civilisation has been established, these generation ships start turning up. Each one's a different horror story of dystopian madness and post humanism where those onboard turned into the monsters. Trying to board one is the stuff of nightmares. It's excellently done.

[@ColinPaddock]

@@skywardsoul1178 Lol. This sounds like the vaults in Fallout…

[@franader]

If Frontier makes a crowdfunding campaign for an Elite Dangerous 2 game promising these features, would you back it?

[@memador5842]

No

[@Kathrynerius]

No, considering their history. In the time it took them to add a second ground vehicle and barren rocky bodies (7 years) I watched other space games create full ecumonopli with 30+ ground vehicles, space legs, ship interiors, etc.

[@edgepixel8467]

Nope. They will just make more Tycoon-Whatevers.

[@Ebalosus]

No, even if I feel making a sequel with the features that we want would be the smarter decision at this point.

[@javierperez222]

Revisiting this video 4 months later, as I've been playing Starfield nearly every day. I spend so much time admiring the interior of the ships. Not even interacting with everything, just looking at all the details put into each HAB. Elite Dangerous would benefit immensely from Ship Interiors. I've been doing my best to recreate certain ships in Starfield, based on the Elite Dangerous ship designs, just so I can get even a slight inkling as to what a ship interior in Elite would feel and look like.

[@n_erik]

Yes! I’ve always thought that VR would work perfectly here too, one can dream..

[@davecaptinzc3684]

we need this ! it is a concept that would be the making of elite i feel. and one that we should make a petition to the developers!!!!!!

[@musicduck4538]

During the video I got some pretty strong Star Citizen vibes. I'd love to see ED turn into a more SC kind of game.

[@billywashere6965]

Yup, pretty much all o fthese suggestions are either coming soon to SC or are already in SC right now (like the salvaging, component management and replacements).

[@Wanelmask]

@@billywashere6965 ah, I was wondering when you'd appear to shill as usual ^^ I'm reassured, I was starting to be worried about your well being

[@rotsen3123]

@@billywashere6965 yeah, multicrew gameplay is what makes me play sc.

[@ace5762]

Midjourney was really good at capturing Elite Dangerous's aesthetic. Also with regards to ship maintenance- there are a couple of ways that could go. I think these are reasonably and don't add busywork that wasn't already there: 1: Offer a discount for 'DIY installation' for modules, so when a module is first purchased it can be installed by the player at a discount compared to if it was bought normally. 2: Allow players to repair hull and module damage themselves. Repair limpets remain useful still as players won't be able to realistically EVA for repairs in a dangerous situation. 3: Add a system for modules and hull to be repaired over their usual hitpoints in a sort of 'well maintained' status that isn't available from starport repairs.

[@kurushimee]

As a game developer myself, I understand why they don't really want to make that happen - it would require rethinking and remaking for a _lot_ of stuff, basically everything about piloting a ship would need to be reworked pretty much from the ground up.

[@anonymousskunk]

As a game player, I can confidently say that if Fdev won’t do it, then I will play the game of a developer that does. To paraphrase Starship Troopers, ‘I need a space game. Elite Dangerous is it until it dies, or I find something better.” And let’s say I give you the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge the work that would be involved in remaking ship piloting systems etc. if not that, what pray tell ARE they doing, week-to-week? Because it sure as hell looks to me like they’re doing sweet fuck all.

[@SnowTerebi]

CIG knows ship interior will be crucial to immersion from the beginning. I'm glad they sticked to their vision.

[@Surkai25]

Dare to dream.... Would be so amazing to have all these ideas. Could even combine engineering and maintenance together. You have to install the upgrades yourself with parts you find.

[@kayaahr]

I like this idea. Images from Star Wars popped into mind where Chewie dismantled the Falcon in the hangar for repairs. In Elite we already have our ship in the hangar and we can walk around it. So this would be the perfect place to disassemble the engines and apply updates and repairs. Works even without ship interiors but doing the same additionally inside the ship would be even cooler.

[@NOLA_playmaker]

Looks like Starfield will be everyone's space game! It has it all!

[@elixwhitetail]

Thank you, OA, for a thorough answer to the question "but what would ship interiors even add to Elite". It's a real shame that Frontier didn't start working on it in 2017, when the time was right. If they were to start now they'd take years and I don't think many people would hang on that long.

[@MapleLeafAce]

I don't even think fdevs staff are even capable of anything complex at this point. The way they manage to break simple things every update tells me the people working on it don't have true experience in game dev.

[@ARRW4]

Ship interiors like in the video would be giant endeavour, but giving players ability to walk in the bridge and have one/two rooms to decorate like in warframe would be amazing.

[@therealreyfamily]

Imagine a world… a world where fdev cared what players wanted. A world where huge amounts of players ARENT excluded. A world where the requested features are……. IMPLEMENTED!!!

[@reistarstryder1769]

I feel adding interiors would add so much to Elite Dangerous. Another thing would be the greater ability for role play. For instance, I have friends that would love to join me in Elite Dangerous, but do not want to be ship pilots. Hiring friends to jump on your ship and have them crew certain aspects or even be able to do the job of certain modules. For instance, want to outfit something else in that slot being occupied by an AFM, hire a friend that will run around and repair damaged elements. No room for that limpet controller, have your crew jump into maneuverable space suits. Interiors would bring Elite Dangerous one more step closer for table top space gamers to want to play too. Plus so many other game play elements this would add if done right. So I agree with you, adding interiors would most likely in my humble opinion spark new life back into Elite.

[@michaelurbanitat9273]

Nice Idea. Das wäre eine super Sache.

[@cmdrgreybeardseawolf]

Great idea, if only was as easy and quick to develop as it is to type a load of prompts into an AI art generator

[@fredh8733]

imagine going down all the long hallways in your anaconda, going thru 3 elevators to get out, and then repeating to go back to the cockpit. over and over and over again. they could leave the option to just appear out of your ship like it does now, but walking thru the same interior 100 times would get really old really fast. i wouldnt complain if they did ship interiors if i wasnt forced to walk thru it. also it would take alot of resources for frontier. i do LOVE your idea of salvaging wrecks.

[@Lerium]

The game is called Star Citizen guys and it's in development. Good luck not dying before it releases...

[@tuxuhds6955]

I'd like to comment, in a polite way and also voice my dismay and criticism which many may deem just. I can't do that because for some reason you've opted to silence your followers and hide our comments with a very aggressive filter. It's just sad Ant, I was hoping for more from this channel.

[@ObsidianAnt]

What? If your comments are disappearing into the mod queue, I will approve them. The queue is currently empty. Also your comment here was posted without any problem. EDIT: I've just done a comments search and you have dozens of them posted beneath many of my videos. Thank you for that! :) You don't have any comments that are in the mod filter / queue. So if you have comments that are disappearing, it is probably a KZbin thing. I've certainly done nothing on the settings here to cause that.

[@Bluescreen_Error]

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[@leoncantwelliii7946]

As somebody who plays both games, yes they 100% should have done ship interiors

[@sircompo]

Space combat would be transformed if you could disable and board an enemy ship, then salvage engineered modules and/or extract blueprints. Victims could choose to self destruct to deny the spoils, attackers could race to manually override the sequence. EVA forced breach of an airlock could be a really interesting mechanic, with specialised tools allowing faster, easier and less destructive ingress. The smuggling potential is immense. Imagine arranging to dock in an adjacent hanger bay, then having to hack security cameras and physically move cargo to your buyer through maintenance hatches in a station interior.

[@drak1559]

this is what made me switch to star citizen, the ability to actually get in and out of your seat adds tons to immersion even if the optimization and bugs are worse

[@sleepfishl]

Interiors would be a dream. But "There is no content for ship interiors and it would be too tedious to run through your ship every time" as Frontier once said. ... Despite the fact that even explorers like me (who arguably have the most boring game loop of them all) could come up with at least 10-20 different things/loops that would have a use for ship interiors. ... But Frontier is so out of touch with their community ... it's nothing but wishful thinking. .... They didn't even manage to fix Odyssey to a state that's worth playing. Especially in the exploration sector. Even Star Citizen, which has only one System, has more visual variety and things to find than Elite in billions of systems. ... And that's sad. I miss my Type-9 and I want to continue my 9,000LY Expedition ... but Odyssey made it so boring ... it just looks the same everywhere.

[@Puketapu]

I really like the idea of customised upgrades to the ship modules and interior. Even if it was a grind, it would be cool to be able to create a truly personalised ship in terms of performance and looks. Tricky to get the game balance right for this kind of stuff of course.

[@MapleLeafAce]

Literally the one thing I'd actually be willing to grind for.

[@AnthonyPreece]

Vehicle interiors work so well in many other games. Space engineers has the option to walk the corridors and utilise the space for whatever you need, power, weapons, cargo, refining, etc. FTL offers up control over ship systems to balance over different encounters. While multi-crew interiors could offer up gameplay akin to Star Trek Bridge crew for co-operation, system control and emergency repairs, etc. in combat, exploration and more. Ship interiors alone could have put Elite on a whole new level but it all now seems like a fading dream of the past.

[@Jamon1916]

I would like to have the ability to have a small docking pad in the larger ships. For example, dock a Sidewinder/ Eagle in my Anaconda for myself or friend/ wingman. Travel to a station with only small/ medium pads and be able to use the smaller ship to dock at it.

[@alexandrian4894]

I would adore ship interiors. Imagine going for a walk round the interior of a Type-9 and inspecting the tonnes of cargo you have, or inspecting your fighters in their bay. It'd add a level of depth that would really bolster the FPS aspect of the game.

[@roofortuyn]

If I get to add my 5 cents, involved ship repair could be an amazing alternative / parallel mechanic to rebuying and / or respawning. EG If you die in a really inconvenient or annoying place or with a full load of cargo, you could, instead of choosing to respawn, survive, troubleshoot, and restore emergency functionality of your ship and navigate back to a haven in ieder to save your cargo or prevent a rebuy. This would avoid making the process grindy since you can simply choose to respawn instead. Also, manual maintenance of the ships subsystems could be unnecessary, but provide a small performance boost for those who want to get the absolute best out of their ship!

[@captainblack1021]

AI - NPC crew that can fly and manage the route as per the current Taxis we have, means we could allocate our fleet to make money. And whilst we are on board, we could have in games as we tour our ship - such as improve items - discuss side quests with passengers and crew - have a proper explorer console to improve the scanners we have now - prevent some cargo from reducing in value as we manage environment controls (random alerts fire and we react) - prevent boarding and pirating - take a tactical team mission on where the team board your ship and you discuss mission in the hold and go on combat with the team...

[@ChadZLumenarcus]

Imagine doing this. You could literally have a crew, assign missions and tasks. Train them up. Hire specialists for roles and jobs and so on.

[@TheFawz]

Elite needed more content additions that are accessible to all types of players. I feel like everything added has been specifically for those who put up with the grind or don't mind the tedious path needed to get to the content

[@MapleLeafAce]

To be fair, those endgame veterans are quite literally the only people who even play the game anymore. Makes sense they're catering all the content towards them, because who else would they cater it to? Casual players have long since bailed on this game.

[@misfit618]

Ship interiors with an in depth multicrew setting allowing players to have roles/rank on board the ships would have made RP exploration amazing. I hope that one day we will get a game that will allow us to have a true Star Trek type of experience.

[@cobaltblue1975]

Here’s my theory on why they didn’t add ship interiors. They didn’t have the talent to code a system for moving between two different physics grids like Star Citizen. So they decided to gas light the player base with every weak excuse in the book for why it wasn’t done. My favorite from Art during a live stream was: “it would get boring and tedious moving through the ship to get in and out of it”. I think that was the moment I was truly done with the game as I have no tolerance for intellectual dishonesty.

[@elixwhitetail]

The absolute balls on Arf to say that when you have to run all the way between your ship and the elevator every single time you want to enter or leave a station concourse.

[@lomic77]

The ideas mentioned here are excellent. The problem is in Open mode where we would have the same problem again with Gankers. That would still keep a ton of players in private groups or solo mode. You can only imagine a situation where while exploring a shipwreck you receive a message that your ship has been destroyed. All these proposed ideas would only make sense if the punishment system was changed in the game itself.

[@stevenpinkston6260]

I bought the Lifetime Pass specifically for ship interiors. I'm a simmer and I'm a roleplayer and I dig games like Sea of Thieves where you actually DO tasks rather than have everything (like preflight checklists) automated for you. I want to interact with crew members, I want to do repairs and manual upgrades, I want to live in my ship. High hopes for Starfield in this regard, and Star Citizen whenever they finally decide to finish a game. But I probably won't be going back to Elite unless they change their mind on Space Legs.

[@simonbamford1007]

agree 100% with EVERYTHING you said, I cant play anymore because of the grind...just had enough these ideas would deffo bring me back to the game.

[@dancarlin5434]

Some great ideas Ant

[@bijudonbosco]

Yes. I would love that feature😍

[@alfredocorso2891]

I absolutely support all of this ideas!!

[@voidvakarian8219]

I would be back on this game like crazy if these ideas were implemented!

[@pitdoctor]

I think there is a better chance of getting these game mechanics in Star Citizen than ED. And everyone can see how well it's going for SC to accomplish what they've accomplished so far.

[@alcmann]

Again your spot on, Dev's have missed the mark by a mile unfortunately. I believe your supported by overwhelming majority of the community with this opinion. The depth and attachment to the ships would be insurmountable especially given the amount of time and investment players put into their hulls.

[@mattlange00]

From a technical standpoint, ED is a mishmash of various game loop and game mechanics added at different times. Odyssey was probably the most ambitious addition to the game to date, but ship interiors are a whole different can of worms. It means a potential mobile environment so you can't just re-use some of the station interior mechanics since those are fixed. Then you need add gameplay loops like possible boarding, things that have to interface with existing game loops and mechanics and it really gets complicated. To have these features, ED would have to be re-built from the ground up.

[@redkiwi5980]

I can’t believe that Frontier are willing to miss out on a potential cash cow that is ship interiors. The potential for the cash shop is huge. Look at me Frontier, I am literally shaking my wallet for you. Come get some!

[@kullsyreholdig01]

I'd like to say that ship interiors would bring me back to Elite, but now that I have seen how good SC can be (when it works) I think I would struggle. Elite with ship interiors would work well as a single player (or multi-solo-player) game, but in a true multiplayer title the physicalisation of everything adds so much to the experience. Crash on the way to your destination? Your buddy can fetch a ship, cargo can be moved over, and we continue on with me manning one of the turrets until we reach the destination. Need to fetch something from a base? One player is the pilot, the other is dropped off in a vehicle and heads into the base to extract it. Out exploring? Fill a ship with scout ships and use it as a portable base. The possibilities are endless, but the game needs to cater for them.

[@chrisdunford2346]

Imagine ship interiors in VR. I'd be content just mooching around my ship fpr days on end. I was saddened when Oddity failed to implement VR or ship interiors.

[@Omniscient_01]

Obsidian. Your imagination carried me so far into this game. Im just sorry the devs dont looks to your channel for advice.

[@nikeninja]

Yes! I'd love to see this in any space game honestly.

[@kobrapromotions]

Star Citizen

[@drksideofthewal]

Star Citizen has some very detailed ship interiors, the biggest of which is a 210 meter long luxury yacht with multiple decks. The game itself is buggy though.

[@JeremyD986]

You had some ideas I never thought about with ship interiors. I really love the idea of interacting with npcs or actually seeing your hired pilots. Primarily I thought interiors also maybe space-walks would be a way to do damage repairs or upgrades. With multi-crew you could even have friends help keep a ship intact while it fights on. Having a few stations on a ship could be neat to have. Like a planetary survey station where a player can do all the exploration tasks, maybe to greater effect than a pilot’s station. Lastly it would do wonders to make a ship feel like your own if you could do a little visual customization. Have a crew quarters, put down trinkets, change interior colors. Or imagine being able to fix the cable management on craft like the Krait Mk.2! All these little details to personalize a ship and make if feel like a home or feel like your own ship. Unfortunately all I could see FDev doing is the minimum effect with the maximum mundane grind. Love the content Ant! Keep it up!

[@MapleLeafAce]

There would be tons of monetization opportunities in ship interiors too. Look at Warframe and how much people spend to decorate their orbiters.

[@SpencerEdgards]

Caaaaaaan't wait! Hopefully one day...

[@AgentExeider]

after playing x4 for several dozen hours, and they have ship interiors AND space walking, frontier honestly has no excuse. I never knew X4 was THAT robust, maybe even too robust in some areas. But if Elite emulated even half that, the game would be 10 times better.