John Haack Comes Clean On PEDS | Table Talk

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[@marriottperformance]

You know there’s someone out there who’s gonna copy this dosage and expect to be just as strong as Haack 😂

[@dadbod488]

I feel attacked 🤣

[@eliteftsofficial]

do NOT

[@dylanstelmach1107]

His dosage is super moderate considering he’s quite possibly the GOAT!

[@austinbuto6300]

@@dylanstelmach1107 he was super strong when he competed usapl

[@benjaminralow1176]

250 is my TRT dose and I'm not totaling 2k+. This guy must be a hyper responder to everything

[@jaygonya8383]

He layed out his cycle compund by compound on the Mark Bell podcast as well and somewhat recently updated us on his preference for anavar

[@zf621]

Imagine John Haack as a superheavyweight. He'd probably squat 1000lbs, bench 700lbs and deadlift 1000lbs. Dude is unbelievably strong and gifted.

[@williamlawlor7445]

Imagine if my penis was 6 inches bigger and my wallet ten inches thicker😢

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

It'd be interesting to see. He's pretty filled out for his height. If he got much bigger he might not have much range of motion.

[@Mastirpeace]

That person name is Larry Wheels sir

[@zf621]

@@Mastirpeace Larry didn't do that amount of weight. He probably could have since he wasn't a super heavyweight but with his condition right now I don't think he'll give it a shot.

[@mustang8206]

​@@MastirpeaceLarry never got close to those numbers

[@statictech7]

Big respect for everyone who talks about gear specifics.

[@posthawk1393]

Respect earned. I'm so happy he's being honest about his use. This is all we want! Don't lie to us.

[@mlangham179]

He never lied about it. I saw a video a while back where he just openly said that he used steroids.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

@@mlangham179 I think he means powerlifters in general.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

I don't take the lying personal. There is more at play than just if little Billy thinks he'll be able to lift as much as John naturally one day. Steroids are illegal in the US so there are legal implications. Everyone thinks talking openly about them is great but I'm not so sure. When it's being blatantly waved in the government's face they may be forced to do something about it. Before this trend everyone still knew what was going on but there was deniability. Everyone pretended not to take them and the government pretended not to know. Look at what happened to Willie Nelson - he did the same thing with pot and his house got raided.

[@ouroboroscartel8079]

@@ChristopherSalisburySalztbh no athlete in any sport is required to tell you shit idk why everyone feels entitled to be told shit they seem to already know n that could cost the athlete their livelihood just cos some internet idiot wants em to admit sumn (as if it will change anything), if people actually used that energy to better themselves there would be a lot stronger people around but nah everyone focuses on what the next person is doing instead of themselves 😂😂

[@dadbod488]

Appreciate the openness about this 💪🏻

[@Yalashaska]

It's not. They say I smaller lie to mask a bigger lie. Yeah I take 250 test and 20 mg anavar (500 tren 750 test 400 mast and a daily dose of superdrol).

[@wileecoyote5749]

He still has "great genetics"? Ha Ha

[@ouroboroscartel8079]

@@Yalashaskawhy tf would anyone care? In this vid they literally talk bout idiots like you who won’t accept anything apart from what you want em to say 😂😂 maybe the guy works his ass off n found the right amount for him (n that varies wildly from person to person) I ain’t ever used gear but still ik it’s not some magic potion n yeah it’s helpful but who tf cares why is it all of a sudden so important that people reveal their whole lives to you? It’s got zero effect on your life so who gives a fk

[@NicolasSchaII]

He is so open and real about everything, even feeling depressed when coming off. Congrats John

[@Lord_Sully]

Come clean sounds like what liver king did lol. Haack never lied about it, I don't think. But loved this interview/discussion!

[@BuJammy]

It was always like that. Sometimes Arnold says "We used to take thehm like caahndies, wee-din kay-ahr whad we took.", while other times he says "We wehr very kay-er-ful, I use toahsk a daktuh guy I nu.". I remember one 70's bodybuilder saying "I used to take a Dianabol tablet, they were 5 milligrams then, and I'd break it in quarters. I would take one of those quarters every 5 or 6 days.". No, you didn't, you adorable liar, lol.

[@vespaamiciclub63]

Big Love John!

[@jbrandona119]

Wish there was a better term more commonly used than “clean” because it implies the opposite is “dirty” and using PEDs isn’t necessarily dirty (unless you’re in a drug tested division etc) Always glad to see strong people on reasonable-ish doses and simpler stacks 👍

[@eliteftsofficial]

Completely agree!

[@jonasc1771]

Still better to give the general public the idea its not something you wonna be doing . We don't have to hate on ped users but we don't have to encourage others to do it either,its still a dangerous road even with lower doses . just my 2 cents

[@robschilke]

Natural and Enhanced. Done.

[@misterop886]

@@robschilke natty and on gear

[@mustang8206]

Illegal drugs are definitely not clean

[@ramblr5900]

Can you guys bring up natty guys? Curious about the strength difference

[@benjaminralow1176]

I've noticed the biggest difference between tested and untested is the benchpress numbers.

[@powertothepeople3832]

Then the question is, are the tested natty? Or do they use less gear? Who can you trust these days😊

[@BuJammy]

@@benjaminralow1176 Yeah, the force production.

[@stuffbenlikes]

All else being equal, they're weaker. You're welcome.

[@MaestroJericho]

I feel like it’s more accurate to ask a geared lifter whose honest about their ped use than to ask a top tested lifter sometimes. Since some of the top tested lifters are pretty sus still.

[@King.Mark.]

so how long he really been using over 8 to 10 years ?

[@lexhummus1454]

Sounds like bevis , yeah yeah test!!!!

[@Nickademaslifts]

He didn’t come clean because he never denied it and he’s been open about his cycles.

[@wille7319]

Wish he was more in depth on dosages etc. He just said the typical "300 test... sum Var.. Yeah..." Not really specific... How much Anavar? Administration frequency? I think he said he used HGH, so what protocol? How many IUs? Any MK-677 thrown in? Any BPC-157 or TB-500 to support his tendons? It's very rare you see people get into actual details on steroids..

[@benchgoblin]

16 minute mark

[@ITIRICI]

Lol. You can find all kinds of shit on the internet. Seth Feorce even went over an entire cycle with dosages. If you have those questions, then please do not ever consider these compounds.

[@wille7319]

​@@ITIRICI Seth Feorce went over his cycle once? LoL what, mate 😂😂😂??? I am interested in the protocol/compounds the pound for pound strongest powerlifter is using. Because of this I shouldn't be using these compounds? What a dumb fucking response my G. I've used more of these compounds than you've even heard of.

[@jonnyshearer3456]

I couldn't care at all who takes what natty or not i like lifting

[@Hillbillybob54]

Nowayyyy in hell hacks never indulged in the sweet nectar of the gods tren train 🚂 😂

[@danielburnett7208]

Respect

[@victorprokop9343]

testosterone reduces the relative refractory period of the action potential in neurons That probably means that testosterone makes for stronger mental patterns, making emotions and actions more intense if there is more action potentials (aka a neuron being stimulated and sending an electrical signal) to muscle cells, the contraction might get more intense

[@alternativestoaa9288]

Yes it does. The mental gain is intense as well.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

Isn't he a chemist? It was pretty obvious

[@SSJInfamous]

The 20fps of this video gives me a headache

[@camerongriffith5267]

Bro is lying his ass off

[@vipermuscle440]

And he still has small calves……

[@reamartin6458]

I can pull 780 as a natural so I don’t give a crap about this person

[@early20s18]

So much bs. 100mgs? That's trt you're not gonna feel ANY effects on anything less than 500mg and that is after months.

[@Romo69]

I genuinely don’t believe him. Not hating but for some reason all these guys lie about their dose and what they take. This dude is on a HRT dose and expects people to believe it.

[@Galaxo_0]

Sorry for the ignorance,but aren't powerlifters drug tested?

[@brianmcgrath5977]

I am on HRT ,this means I use steroids.Pretty simple.

[@GJ-DT]

Orals??????????????????

[@Rocket4ce]

He gonna look like ronnie when he gets older. His face so swollen

[@pokepal937]

Way better than fake natties.

[@NonprofitWrench]

Hang out often at the gym with powerlifters, bodybuilders, etc. and it will be pretty obvious whose using peds and who isnt.

[@jaybar5100]

He’s always been open about his use just never went into specifics often.

[@poolkrooni]

Mark Bell podcast, he went deep into details there as well

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

They don't want to admit the amounts because if someone like John Haak can take 250 test and 50 mg of Anadrol and deadlift 930 lbs and another guy is taking 500mg of test, 300 mg of Tren, and 100 mg of Anadrol and they deadlift 800 lbs it makes them feel kind of pathetic.

[@sleepy502]

I think he is absolutely bullshitting about his dosages at least when he was initially building up his strength but yeah we're all different. its a thing rn to admit you're on but downplaying dosages. Tom Platz tried saying he was only on 200mg of deca a week.

[@nikanhariri9331]

jon is most definitely lying about his dosages.

[@lindwurm5976]

One of the most important things to take from this is that PED can pretty much cancel out bad days. The same thing is true for these "only HRT" guys. This is the big advantage they have over true natties! You always have your test up where you want it! Bad day? Stress at work? Not eating clean due to travel? Doesn´t matter! HRT got your back! Meanwhile a true natty can experience a temporay strength loss of like 20% after a bad week at work.

[@leeg672]

Not to be critical but, "HRT" is for the ladies and "TRT" is for men. "Doesn't matter"?? Wrong. I'm on Rx TRT and it doesn't make everything perfect or miraculously better. It does not make up for Life's curveballs. There is no magic bullet. A therapeutic dose certainly helps. ***when one is actually LOW on their T scores in the 1st place. That said, a therapeutic dose only puts one back into "Normal range" test scores. My clinic will not allow my T #'s to exceed 1000 and they cut me back if I even get into the 900's or if my Hct or Hb get out of range. With No other gear whatsoever, I have still set State records. But, that has more to do with Training for recovery, eating for recovery, mandatory Deloads and resting for Recovery...

[@mikewalkow1860]

Totally untrue! TRT does not cancel out bad days magically. I've been doing that and much higher doses for years, and there are still bad days that no amount of PED's will fix.

[@ouroboroscartel8079]

It’s not a magic potion even though everyone seems to think it’s the most important thing in the world rn, people rly struggle to comprehend that it’s when you do everything right n together that’s when you see the real results, but nah let’s just pretend it’s magic so you can blame others for your own failures or shortcomings 😂😂

[@donniegrande9186]

Mike O'Hearn still strong and natty until he dies 💪🏼

[@jlalonde1000]

Did people think he was not on

[@ElGnomoCuliao]

no xd

[@benchgoblin]

a lot of youtube commenters started complaining that he lied on pete rubish’s interview about cycles doses etc

[@matthewcreel1929]

If he is truly on this little bit of gear, why not take more and crush records?

[@mikewalkow1860]

Becaue he is smart enough to want to use the least effective dose to mini.ize side effects.

[@romankozlovskiy7899]

Because he’s lying if he upped his doses he would be deadlifting 1100lbs

[@joelrivardguitar]

50 mg Anadrol daily plus T is not really a little bit, Anadrol is very toxic. But he did crush records. If he took too much he would not make the weight limit.

[@paoloh885]

I think he uses the optimal dosage for him. Using stupidly high dosages has diminishing returns while it puts a lot more strain on your organs.

[@mustang8206]

Health

[@tehcod6157]

yes 100mg, for a cycle... for 4 weeks.... then you bump it up as soon as it saturates????????? it aint adding up lol

[@RICHFRVR]

Is john still a chemist? What does he do for work as a chemist?

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

People don't want to admit they use a lot because they feel like it diminishes their accomplishments. John doesn't take a lot but on competition day he is FAR from natural with 250 test a week and like 50-100 mg of Anadrol a day. That's way more gear than people think. Anadrol is no joke.

[@chrisdopez8443]

200mg of test, 50mg anadrol and 200mg of mast per week was my biggest cycle. In reality masteron doesnt do shit its like proviron, could for making you harder creatine beats it for strength, but 200mg of test and 50mg of anadrol will put your lift number really high in 2 weeks.

[@PickleThePig]

2 weeks? You’re talking BS my friend.

[@Cpt.CoffinNails]

on 200mg of test weekly, and NOTHING else, my bench went from 440 to 505 at 250lbs bw. People that claim test doesn't do much are fucking liars. That was over a 6 month period (from March 2023 first pin, to now). I've also lost boy fat, while gaining mass, not really changing much in the way that I've trained. TRT alone will do wonders for your numbers.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

@@PickleThePig Anadrol works almost immediately. You will notice a big do in strength in a few weeks. Obviously you can build a lot of muscle in two weeks but in reality it doesn't take much to make you stronger. Plus Anadrol is kind of like creatine on steroids, 😂, it does something to ATP or something similar so the strength gains aren't all from muscle gains.

[@ChristopherSalisburySalz]

@@Cpt.CoffinNails This depends HEAVILY on how well trained you are. Plus your age. If you just started TRT I'm guessing you are in your 30s. 30s is actually when a trained lifters strength peaks. Some kid in his 20s that didn't lift much and eat enough protein might get bad results. Plus, there are people who are "responders" and people who are "non-responders". A little goes a long way for a responder which it sounds like you fall into that category. In addition, your first 6 months your balls will still be producing some test so you'll actually have pretty high levels during the initial 6 months. After that they will produce next to nothing.

[@beetlejuice4693]

Why would he go to Chavez for help I thought he was a quack at least that's what I used to hear

[@psychologienerd7546]

I told you Mike o Tren is the only clean one in the industry. And of course Goggins too.

[@danielblyth2841]

Hahaha

[@mustang8206]

​@robertdelpopolo1330Plus anadrol which is a very strong compound

[@mustang8206]

Goggins isn't that big he's probably natty

[@psychologienerd7546]

this guy is old but does quite a lot of endurance. roids prevent the body from breaking down@@mustang8206

[@sneed777]

Ain’t no way his dosages are that low.

[@Nickademaslifts]

He didn’t come clean because he has never tried to hide it.

[@williamlawlor7445]

If something looks and sounds unnatural, then it is unnatural. One thing that makes a huge difference today though is stiffer bars. They have less whip. Not knocking Hack but it's debatable if he's better than Coan. Just debatable. BTW trt, hrt whatever. It's still using peds.

[@scottwebster695]

Clarence Kennedy is open about his use of PEDS. He is a world class Olympic Weightlifter that doesn't compete because of the...check out Clarence Kennedy he has a channel.

[@ouroboroscartel8079]

Who cares what he takes, y’all fans inna comments gotta quit obsessing over stuff that has nothing to do with you n use that energy to get stronger n bigger n a better version of yourself, seems like everyone wants to downplay others’ achievements while doing fk all bout their own goals, this natty or not bs is useful ok but it’s fkin dumb at the same time. Why do you feel entitled n why do you expect any athlete to risk their livelihood to admit shit y’all seemingly already know (n then when they do y’all don’t believe em so it’d be pointless regardless), the amount of entitlement of casual fans of the sport is insane nowadays 😂😂 either way good work n dope podcast I just get annoyed at these idiots in the comments 😅😅

[@skinnybro9216]

Imagine if he hopped on a bunch of tren haha

[@fieldofdreams1582]

Can’t be considered anywhere near the best ever. Another cheat.

[@williamdieffenbach3264]

I thought that he was in the IPF?

[@kennethrodas8106]

What is his full stack?

[@benchgoblin]

16 minute mark

[@Romo69]

@@benchgoblinlmao

[@romankozlovskiy7899]

If you a record holder you would not be running trt and some tiny doses it never works that way

[@mustang8206]

This is powerlifting not the Olympia

[@early20s18]

@@mustang8206 Top powerlifters take the same dosages as bodybuilders just different compounds 5 to 10 grams total a week is not uncommon in prep

[@joepesci8930]

Unless he is using test suspension, I dont buy his test dosage at all. If he was using long estered Test and you cleaved off the ester at 100mgs and he would only be getting about 70ish mg of test per week. That wouldn't do much for him at all in the strength realm

[@toocool2bblue]

More honestly within all strength sports can only be a positive thing.... Would still really like to see more content from actual natural strength athelete

[@JAMIE_ATKINS]

Awesome video!

[@MauricevdHaak]

Runner up

[@Football__Junkie]

Hey guys, can we talk into the mic next time

[@charlessavoie2367]

He doesn't come off like remarkably strong.

[@derrickisgolden4337]

WHAT??? NO THIS CANT BE!!! THIS ISNT TRUE?!?!?! WHO WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THIS

[@bdegrds]

Duh

[@mattmayer3636]

Where do you get this stuff from though?

[@eliteftsofficial]

no comment

[@shrumplestiltskin7922]

Target

[@nickcollins9170]

You'll find it when your ready. If you dont know your not ready lol. Need alot more researching.

[@TheBaitShopGuy]

Sweet hat red and black Dave

[@eliteftsofficial]

HALF OFF Right now!!! www.elitefts.com/limited-edition-snapback-baseball-e-hat.html

[@SuperValdez7]

Is he only on trt cuz that test dose is like trt dose

[@romankozlovskiy7899]

Imagine if he took tren 🤡 he would be be deadlifting world records

[@alternatephysique9940]

You guys need to up the volume on the audio. Got my phone all the way up and still barely hear you. I've actually stopped watching Alot of your content because of this. P.s. just trying to help

[@simbellemare6999]

+1

[@danielm7584]

+2

[@ryan-el9er]

i has it at 85-90% and the volume was perfect and i have shit hearing with tinnitus. played video on an XS. there was no other noise around me. we’re you listening to this with a bunch of background noise?

[@benchgoblin]

I can hear fine maybe upgrade that motorola moto g

[@MuscularMontel]

Lol, click bait, he's always been open

[@eliteftsofficial]

ya momma

[@tehcod6157]

@@eliteftsofficial lmfaoooo

[@joshsulli4875]

No… you did not total 1000kg taking 100-200mg of test a week… says why lie and then continues to lie.

[@mustang8206]

200 mg test + 50 mg Anadrol + perfect genetics

[@mariusastier8138]

What does he take for PCT ?

[@JosePerez-zf1tf]

prob tamoxifen or hcg

[@1Rahizar1]

CLOMID AND NOLVA BABY

[@benchgoblin]

watch pete rubish interview he uses nothing he just goes off

[@tehcod6157]

@@benchgoblin lol

[@benchgoblin]

16 minute mark

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

So Joe Rogan takes more than the world's strongest powerlifter? Sounds legit.

[@joelrivardguitar]

No John said he uses Anadrol as well during his 12 week run.