Joel Turner SHOT IQ Coaching at ElkShape Camp

[@frankpysz121]

I think people are missing the point that he's only acting the way he is to not only show the archers what they're doing wrong but to emulate a high stress situation where they may have a huge Bull in front of them.

[@hamedizzy6441]

Roast session is what we all need ta get over our egos and maybe learn something after. Thats all this experience is. I'm very sure everyone that walked our of this course knows why he did this even thought they probably didn't at the time. This is exactly what I need.

[@carlosopinion5629]

As a hinge user, was a little disappointed the one dude with the hinge didn’t know why he was using a hinge lol. Especially after Joel asked him what the click meant to him. Poor guy had no idea lol. I opted for the click on my hinge and for me, it just simply means that I’m on the second part of my shot process. Before the click, should be staging your shot or going thru your shot process. After the click, it should be purely execution. Great content. And love the channel.

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

I like this type of teaching: Makes you analyze your own faults so you can make the changes without being told exactly what to do every time.

[@ChrisBeeReal]

legend

[@jeffslone5777]

Chris Bee ya but he probably doesn’t have much for you, you’d show him how to shoot 😂

[@ElkShape]

Chris Bee 🐝 - legend in the making homie. We dig your content.

[@isaiahsmallwood5721]

@@ElkShape Man.. did this comment age well🙌

[@jstmy2979]

Excellent,The man teaches mindset To learn you must be willing and want it, desire to humble yourself and you will find truth. Please keep doing videos like this and to the naysayers anyone can tickle yours ears with softness, he’s just getting them out of their comfort zone!

[@ElkShape]

Well said!

[@russclarke99]

Wow! I love these episodes by this guy! I feel like everything he says I can apply it to my shooting!👊🏻

[@llllogix]

Solid instructor. I enjoy his philosophies and approach.

[@richstafford1245]

It is nerve racking enough to shoot a bow ( in front of a crowd)if you have target panic and/or are are trigger puncher. I’m pretty sure a drill Sargent yelling ridiculing and cross examining me would work wonders.

[@jareddean612]

yeah that guys super ennoying lol

[@steveg5112]

Not for snowflakes you must have won a lot of participation trophy’s

[@shanewalker4115]

This had been one my favorite videos and things all of us need to work on as bow hunters thanks for this!!!

[@theklutzyoutdoorsman5265]

I've shot with Joel at ETAR this past year. He's a fantastic shot. I'd love to take one of his in person courses

[@bossdawg165]

15 min roasting session lol

[@jameswright9019]

yeah he is full of himself, we know he can call john dudley. but he is far from john dudley. HACK

[@WildTines]

Love it, telling it like it is! Performing under stress is what it’s all about

[@Sparky513]

@James Wright really because his son who's not even 18 yet just won the men's tournament big boy tournament in Vegas I believe, yes I said mens and guess who's his coach...... hmmmm your a hack just here to talk shyt

[@gordonneverdies]

@@jameswright9019 His son is a world champion now. He definitely knows something. The problem is these videos just show him roasting everyone and direct you to some course you gotta pay for. His son gets all the real secrets.

[@jonathanharp3206]

Everybody needs a coach like this.

[@Hydra70964]

This guy is great. His techniques definitely assist with the training of shooting under stress. It is definitely tamed down from the military techniques for the civilian populace.

[@stevenkilleen8149]

Love how he gets them flustered works better then most understand military 101

[@DM-sq3jm]

It's interesting to see that every reply about berating, insulting, or using negative motivation went ahead and berated, insulated, and wrote negative statements about the instructor. Seems like a lot of the critics are simply projecting their emotions. What I saw was the use of humor to introduce stress into the shot and see how each archer's target panic manifests itself.

[@lukeaday]

Very surprising to see that not many guys that shoot a index get a good deep hook over the trigger....???

[@danielcrowe318]

I would love to have this guy coach me. Brutal honesty is necessary if you're going to improve. Good video. Thanks for the upload.

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for watching!

[@kennethbartlett1465]

Many thanks for sharing this; I found it both insightful AND helpful. The first rule of Trigger Punching Club...is to talk openly about trigger punching

[@ElkShape]

Well said! -DS

[@gmatthewpaul]

I have purchased this class 2 times! I still struggle and have to work at it! Changed to almost every release type made! I hate Target panic

[@glennnielsen2508]

Ok Yeah he was brutal lol But man I wish I would have been able to get to one of his classes! I have become a puncher, can’t shoot in front of people anymore either. I have been anxious to see what they learned and hopefully I can pick up something along the way! Kudos to the guy that held onto it when he yelled into his face. Holy crap I would have sent it , badly ! Great job I’ll watch them all.

[@gorankorovljevic810]

I think drawing a bow is even bigger issue than punching trigger here haha

[@jpriesjr]

Joel Turner is an absolutely phenomenal coach!

[@rorynelson7548]

I used to bring pin up from the bottom. But recently adjusted my peep sight to where it should be. Now I'm right on when I settle into my sight

[@Mbtharp1]

Old comment, but can you elaborate? Was your peep set too high or too low?

[@rorynelson7548]

@mikskater33 when you draw back, point directly at the target. Before you anchor or settle in, close your eyes. After you're anchored and everything feels good and you're naturally pointing at the target, open your eyes and see how aligned your peep sight is. You want everything to lined up when you settle into your shot from the get go or else you're going to be fighting some part of the shot

[@tfrost33elkhunter]

Stuff like this makes me realize I really need a coach. I have never had any formal training. I can only imagine the number of bad habits I have ingrained in myself! With that said I still kill bucks and bulls. But man I better figure out how to get to an Elk Shape Camp in the future.

[@ElkShape]

Ya ma, would love to meet ya in person... also, Joel has a badass online course, here's a link with a discount included academy.shotiq.com/courses/controlled-process-shooting?affcode=42029_aundzopz

[@scottcarter7046]

Awesome video. Hope there is a part 2

[@ElkShape]

Yup - coming soon

[@westernman3290]

People are getting on Joel but I think what you see often is people not being honest about their own shooting deficiencies, I’m often not. Bette to have someone who knows call it out.

[@pik2490]

Paige Pearce uses a hinge with back tension. I’m sure there are many many more. Rotate to click then pull through. Lol idk if I agree with his comment.

[@baconhead100]

You “don’t use back tension with a hinge” first guy I’ve ever heard teach that! Thought back tension was a fundamental of every release aid, even fingers!

[@pik2490]

Never heard this either. In my life. Been doing it wrong for years I guess……………

[@fisherofmenmatt4194]

I don’t think he was saying don’t use back tension to shoot a hinge, he was making two points, one which is there’s a big difference between a true back tension release and a hinge release, Mainly a hinge is not activated by tension and the second point was using back tension to actuate a hinge is also not the most accurate technique although I find it plenty accurate for myself

[@johnwelch8771]

Reminds me of hank from you me and Irene🤣🤣

[@davidholliday2703]

Excellent video.

[@zhickman338]

Please come to Colorado!

[@ElkShape]

We have a camp in Denver late April - Phil Mendoza is our archery instructor for that one (FYI)

[@5jjt]

Quickest way to get rid of shot anxiety is talking yourself through not caring if you miss. The better you can not care about missing, the more inherant accuracy you'll have. The world will still go round if you miss, no?

[@verlandezjones9168]

I so wanna come to one of these!!!!!

[@ElkShape]

Hope you can make it for one!

[@hamstraroofing]

I gotta go to one of those clinics.

[@agi6521]

I love this video!! Laughed my ass off, because I'm a trigger puncher too!!!

[@BostonMountainHunting2011]

Is there a part 2 to this?

[@5jjt]

I suppose "burning the hole" is to almost occupy your whole mind, thus keeping your mind off of negative thoughts.

[@missionman4539]

You can punch a index thumb or hinge It’s the process . It should be automatic.

[@dannyingram6182]

I wish I had someone like him to help me. I'm sure I'm making mistakes. But I don't know any different.

[@timl.1324]

Go to your local bow shop and talk to someone. Most shops do lessons and if not they'll point you in the right direction

[@jackboyd147]

i shoot a 60lbs 58" recurve when i am at home ihave a target on which i have plastic milk bottles a i shoot them my accuracy is spot on i do a full draw with full back tenrion my arrows are right together, but when i got to the wood dont seem to be able to do as good but not sure why i know when i shoot with avarage shooters i shoot the same as they do but when i shoot with good archers i am almost as good as they are and my scores ar up. i live in england but come from north of Ireland and we are not allowed to shoot wild life with a bow which is sad bye for now

[@aaronvandyke4327]

I guess if trying to be cool as shit while intimidating your students is coaching then I'm totally in!! Couldn't sit in a room with this guy for 5 minutes.

[@ElkShape]

Thanks for your comment - I feel differently but again, I've witnessed his ability to completely transform folks and their archery game!

[@aaronvandyke4327]

@@ElkShape fair enough. I'm sure that everyone there left much better archers then when they went in. Just not my style I guess.

[@shopdog310]

Agreed.... painful to watch. Nit pick folks shot processes by interjecting negative ideas. Then draw(haha) them back in with some "military" pyshco babble.

[@tomrivera8480]

Waited for the instruction part of this so I might learn something but it never came? You should have added that part of the video so you don't just look like a hard-ass insulting everybody! Hope you guys got something out of it by the end of that class. I'm sure it wasn't cheap!

[@ElkShape]

It's coming, AND if you want access to the entire weekend we have an ONLINE ElkShape camp, I will most certainly share some good stuff in the next video. Also, there's a few nuggets in this video.

[@jamietwigg5152]

Can anyone tell me which competitions this guy has won? those that cant teach

[@pitbullman4111]

His 13 year old son just won the 2020 vegas shootout in the 15 to 17 year old class(compounds) ! He got 15th place in Vegas(mens barebow) . He came in 3rd last year at ibo trad worlds with a hunting longbow in the open ru class. There are several other examples. Joel is the best in the game at mental process and control! Hands down!

[@jamietwigg5152]

@@pitbullman4111 like I said, those that cant, teach

[@pitbullman4111]

@@jamietwigg5152 you know what they say opinions are like!

[@jamietwigg5152]

@@pitbullman4111 And you know what they say about yahoo's, video cameras and youtube, suddenly everyone is an expert, that ok I took care of it, his video's shouldnt come up in my feeds anymore, im sure plenty of gullible people will like it

[@jamietwigg5152]

@Rusty Shackleford Yup, another yahoo with a video camera, thats an expert on youtube, and the weak minded fall for it

[@blackheartsmarine0351]

What is punching?

[@jaredj631]

I didn’t know Jeff Ross was into archery

[@dusanpavlovic2201]

can anyone answer me one simple question? if i focus on the execution independently from the sight picture and aiming, how am i supposed to hit the middle if i am constantly bobbing down on the target and if i slowly pull and fire a surprise shot i won't be in the middle at all an no matter how good it was. i still won't hit the middle

[@ElkShape]

how do you drive your car down the highway? Are you constantly focusing on keeping it between the lines?

[@dusanpavlovic2201]

@@ElkShape it's not the same since driving a car is effortless and requires minimum strength and aiming a bow needs muscle and my pin falls down on the target and i can't control it. it's not the same at all and im not the only one who has this problem

[@dusanpavlovic2201]

@@ElkShape do you always aim in the middle and can execute or your pin moves more

[@DM-sq3jm]

@@dusanpavlovic2201 most compound bows today feature very high letoff; holding weight at anchor can be as little as 10-14 lbs. This requires minimal strength as does driving a car. Sight pin shaking is because your subconscious mind is bracing for the shot and trying to keep it from happening.

[@cindydelavega8090]

I didn't switch to a hinge because I was punching, I switched to shoot better

[@StanielP]

I just want to show him how slow i can pull my release I WANT THE TEST!!

[@leroyjones769]

DAMN that was good

[@ElkShape]

Thanks Leroy!

[@keld6539]

Haha damn good couch. BAD ASS/BEAST MODE...

[@MAYHEMSCO]

Do you prefer love seats? Or lazy boys?

[@billgotskillb4308]

What quiver was Joel using in this video?

[@ElkShape]

Not sure - send him a message on Instagram!

[@billgotskillb4308]

Elk Shape just thanks

[@cjyt6491]

Not 1 set their feet

[@mtnhighhunters]

Sorry man, but I shoot the hell out of a index trigger I’m not getting what your trying to teach. In my experience if I’m shooting against a guy or guys in 3-D that are shooting hinge and back tensions especially in WIND. It’s game o we for them. I’ve shot 180 + w a trigger. I’ve shot one since the late 80’s when I hung my fingers up. So I wasn’t sure on what you were teaching. I’ll put money on my trigger against you any day of the week. Instagram and KZbin Mtnhighhunters positive tips and coaching. Ps everyone has a way and what works for me and you won’t for everyone else.

[@brandonbeers7923]

The john Dudley comment. Lol

[@mannymurillo4706]

Everything this guy says is condescending. Even him complimenting or TRYING to compliment some guy on his bow was almost like talking down to somebody. And just a bunch of roasting barely any actual teaching.

[@ElkShape]

Arm chair quarterback - there's a second video coming soon so relax.

[@mannymurillo4706]

Elk Shape All im saying is theres different ways to show somebody their doing something wrong. Borderline humiliating somebody in front of a group of people. I love your videos but just not a fan of this guy is all.

[@johnnyrotten9757]

He said in the beginning for the guys not to take offense to anything he says

[@raz0r00]

Teaching can take many different shapes. Get your panties untwisted, listen to *what* he says, not how he says it and fucking sit your ass down and listen to the man who knows more than you instead of feeling insulted. Feelings have no place in teaching or learning.

[@AustinPureheart]

Honestly, nothing bad happened here. He he talking to grown men who can take criticism, and he is trying to make things stressful and get into their heads a bit in order to get them in a similar state of when they are drawing on what they are hunting.

[@drewstreckenbach4517]

This dude is the Gordon Ramsay of archery

[@ElkShape]

lol yes!

[@jordiricartroig1724]

5:15 I am Shure I could find more than 50 pro archers that shoot a hinge with back tension

[@jordiricartroig1724]

still great video, thanks sorry didn't intend to be rude

[@hamedizzy6441]

What he is saying is no matter how much tension u put on the hinge it won't make it go off until u pivot that hinge. So it is not a tru back tension. You train yourself to use backtension in conjunction with hinge release fundamentals to get a more consistent shot process. A back tension release is just that, it goes off once you've passed the weight set.

[@LikeahDocta]

He literally told them don't take affence If you can't take it then leave the seminar

[@brandonchamberlin6066]

Hahaha Savage! So glad I wasn’t shooting there

[@ronaldmcguire1581]

Hmm, 15 minutes of negative ... ??

[@ElkShape]

There's another video coming soon - where he teaches after breaking everyone down in a stressful situation. I personally don't feel any negativity, it is a learning environment and this video showcases where the student we're at in the beginning.

[@mikeparishy]

@@ElkShape i agree with ron,a little much,couldve done 2 incorrect shooters,then move in to the solution

[@iamSofaK1nG]

The 3rd guy! LOLOLOL the tension release! LOLOL

[@gorankorovljevic810]

Everybody just buy a hinge and you will be cured 😉 Well i hope so lol

[@jons7e]

I can't watch this video... these guys are so far from controlling the shots.

[@brettjameslarue]

I never comment , but son I watched half of this video and you never once gave an instruction/encouraging word....just berated every shooter. Can't imagine why they aren't thrilled to be the next guy up. Call JD, like you're bragging about and ask him his review of your ' instruction'

[@TheSchmuel]

hahahaha! I can see why you would say that! This was the first time we shot during the camp. Joel's point was to put us in a "pressure" situation with everyone watching and to add pressure by heckling a bit. He needed to see our shot process (or lack thereof). Later in the camp he worked with all of individually on "how" to create a solid shot process through controlling the mind. It was very beneficial. Ive done well bowhunting over the years and thought I would do just fine... Im the last guy to go in this video and you will see me lose my head on my second shot when it didn't break when I thought it should... His course and coaching are legit in my opinion and He is a very positive guy despite the heckling you see here

[@ElkShape]

Bret - at the very beginning of the video he states that don't get your feelers hurt, so basically Joel breaks everyone down at first...and then rebuilds a new mental approach to their shooting. Trust me, everyone left very excited about their improvements and new potential. I understand where you're coming from looking from a distance. Thanks for watching.

[@ElkShape]

@@tevehaku awesome comment

[@brettjameslarue]

@@ElkShape p.S. you don't get to act a prick and then touch base safe by saying " hey I told you I'd be offensive" The offence is in the lack of instruction, not the delivery

[@jasonnester9514]

I shoot better scores punching so yes

[@dougblaney-df1rd]

He's law enforcement so naturally he's better than you. Theses people need to go. He really believes he's better than you.

[@willcrain6786]

I’ll stick to watching Dudley. Not some condescending dude with minimal credentials.

[@James.712]

Minimal credentials?! His 15 year old son won Lancaster and Vegas, that speaks for itself...... To each their own, but both Dudley and Turner's content have equal value; among others.

[@ianlaughlin85]

What is the point of this? He is trying to be a drill instructor with the haircut and everything. He isn't doing much teaching.

[@uncleremus5046]

Burn a hole in the Hole in the Target = Guaranteed Target Panic!

[@jordiricartroig1724]

yeahhhh, sure, gotta focus on the execution hing is turned out to be the best for me, with back tension

[@poppasmurf15]

Joel would have made a hell of a Drill Instructor, maybe he was?

[@ElkShape]

He definitely instruct law enforcement on shooting and he's a sniper for SWAT - prolly where he gets it!

[@paulmendolia8483]

the guy is a jerk.

[@aaronbuehler1270]

this felt cringe for-real

[@joshsinglefooter]

This man made grown men feel like little girls.