Elm vs. Japa 405 Firewood Processor... I wasn't expecting this result!!!

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[@ohiowoodburner]

OWB Merch, Employee of the Month Tees here!!! sweetvintagetees.com/collections/ohio-wood-burner-ltd

[@erichk1674]

I remember splitting wood by hand as a young man . We dreaded it when Elm showed up in the pile ! However , it kept us warm in the winter .

[@ohiowoodburner]

I think elm is an excellent firewood. It's just tough getting it to become firewood LOL

[@SmithFarmTilton]

I remember when I was a teenager, and my old man made me manually split our firewood for the winter. He would tell me, "The wonderful thing about heating with wood is..... it warms you twice".

[@leovogelgesang4398]

Your camera lady deserves a raise after all the work shes done!

[@ohiowoodburner]

She is a huge help for sure. Glad she can bring nice angles of the machine

[@FeatherHorseforge]

She definitely needs employee of the month status🙂

[@lanceharsh7025]

Imagine what you could have accomplished if the sun wasn't in your eyes. 🤠 Man, what a machine.👍👍👍👍

[@ohiowoodburner]

It would have been a great excuse though!! Thanks Lance

[@thefirewooddoctor]

Can always take an agle grinder with a flap disc to sharoen the box wedge. Or put a turbo on the engine that would make a Caterpillar diesel proud!

[@craigleonard7715]

I vote the professional camera person “‘Employee Of The Month” !!

[@ohiowoodburner]

Noted. That may help her in the monthly totals!

[@Riverguide33]

Like butter! Joe, you had me chuckling…only you could set the stage so well for the “fight of the century”! 💪👍 I liked reading the comments….you have a lot of supportive followers….well deserved.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks RG. And I consider you one of them buddy!

[@ya13ya03]

I'm just north of mosquito lake and while it stinks we've lost our elm trees, I really dislike that we've lost all our ash. Talk about a great tree. So many great ash trees all dead. Great firewood for now but they're almost all gone.

[@ya13ya03]

Also, that 405 isn't no joke. World class for sure. Elm sucks and it handled it like the champ it is.

[@brandonhoad9033]

Borer wiped out my ash 5 yrs ago but didn't touch the saplings. Letting them grow and hopefully spread . My 12-15 acres of woods was probably at least 60% ash and hedgerows 90%

[@ohiowoodburner]

I have only seen one healthy ash lately and that was in Canfield. They seem to be all gone. Elms are out there but you have to look. The big tree at the Cortland Napa is an elm. The one outside Dollar General at the lake is a nice one. Southington has a HUGE nice one on their square

[@jamesmckay9966]

I WORKED IN NORTHERN MICH IN THE UP IN 1956. THEY WERE CUTTING ELM THERE FOR RAIL ROAD SLEEPERS TIES.

[@LeBlancfirewood]

The more i watch the 405 perfect split its what i need

[@user-ni8lu2bs1v]

also-when i was alot younger-i split alot of elm by hand and many huge pieces---lots of work and bad memories

[@Zeke-yv3nw]

Looking good Joe. Hope yall are getting some of this cooler weather.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Yes we are and I'm loving it zeke

[@hollywinsman9464]

Great history on the Elm tree. Thank you.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Glad you enjoyed it Holly!

[@wadecaudill77]

I do that's a good machine I really enjoy watching at work I know when you scan across your Woodyard in your old Woodyard all that wood you have stacked I think that looks so pretty I stacked wood all day yesterday September 16th 2023 it looks so nice when you get it all rigged up sometimes I split and just throw it in the pile and stack it the next day that pile just don't look as good as rickwood does have a good one and I will talk to you later God bless

[@ohiowoodburner]

thanks Wade . Stacked wood looks awesome!

[@ishure8849]

G'day Joe, Melbourne is the capital in my state it has Elms everywhere the Dutch beetles haven't been here but there was a British beatle invasion in 1964 🤔👍.

[@wendellpatterson3823]

A friend of mine from Minnesota once told me, “elm doesn’t really split by hand till about -20F. Then not very well. “. Not gonna try to argue with him. My old gas hydraulic splitter gets a good workout every time I split some.

[@bwillan]

The 405 did a great job on that relatively green elm. Best run and get a lottery ticket for everything going smoothly with splitting that much elm. 🤣

[@ohiowoodburner]

haha. I think you may be right buddy LOL

[@elainereid5833]

The 405 makes the stringy elm look easy peasy. Elaine from Canada here, agree that you’ve got yourself an awesome machine, a long way from the pickup and Poulin. Enjoy your week Joe, cheers.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks Elaine!

[@michaelfreehling1914]

I can hear Howard Cosell saying "Japa is going all the way" cool video Joe. Y'all have a great 👍 day

[@ohiowoodburner]

I just watched a vid about Cosell. What a great voice!

[@philliphall5198]

Very good machine, it’s a keeper for sure 😊

[@mvblitzyo]

The 405 may have had to flex a little but the show of great power shows the true power of the machine 💪🏼

[@whathasxgottodowithit3919.]

Here in the U.K. back in the day It was traditional to use Elm for coffins, those days are gone. However it is a tough timber although our Elm trees were also depleted with the D.E.D.

[@rodneysweetnam8653]

Hi Joe - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. Elms are as rare as hens' teeth over here since Dutch Elm Disease wiped out millions of trees in the 1970s.

[@ohiowoodburner]

When I was in Finland I saw two elms in a church courtyard. I was surprised as they were pretty big and mostly likely older than both of us. What a great tree though!

[@davidedwards3734]

World class machine!! Haven't seen you put anything through there it wouldn't split!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day

[@ohiowoodburner]

So far yes Dave! Thanks for supporting buddy

[@gregprince2523]

Logan Elm Park is just south of us here in Ashville.... that tree was Massive.... 65 feet tall 25 feet diameter and a canopy of almost 200 feet... Huge Majestic tree. There's also a Logan Elm High school district down here.

[@ohiowoodburner]

There is a piece of the original Logan Elm in museum near cleveland. I saw it but wasn't able to touch it. Chief Logan had a very interesting life story

[@ronbrooks6681]

Joe, Great Video Ron here. The Jappa 405 is the machine. Elm went right thru it with no problem at all. Should be able to handle anything. Today I am cutting some Locust up. I will let you know how it splits. Unfortunately I will not be able to make the Paul Bunyan Show. More details to follow. Keep up your Great Video's. Ron from the Woodyard in Duanesburg NY.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Sorry to hear you won't be coming Ron. Good luck with your locust buddy

[@cwwhite5137]

Brother Joe, it is official. It is finished!!! Production notes: cue orchestra, start drum roll... I have now watched every video you have posted on KZbin. 100% of them. Favorite video: the one to your Dad. Next step: I'm ordering a splitter and a bundler. KZbin favorites: you and Jesse. Next: Schweib and Mike Morgan. Thank you for who you are and the immense impact you have through OWB. God Bless you. Chip / TN

[@ohiowoodburner]

Awesome post Chip. Great to hear and I wish you the best. BTW if you are going to buy the wrapper right now buy the Go Fast Mfg unit. Tell them I sent you.

[@cwwhite5137]

Thank you, brother!!!

[@pauldixon3089]

Good morning Joe, That was very interesting to watch. I've split a lot of elm and it can be awkward but it makes top quality firewood. Just an observation, the knives on the Japa perfect split are probably half the thickness of some on competitors machines I've seen,which are to me, way too thick and cause wood to jam or flip over on the more open wedges. The knives on my machine ( which I made myself as the originals were junk) are only 8mm thick. I keep them sharp and I've never bent or broken one yet. This is a huge advantage and tells me Japa have done a great job in designing their machines. Keep splitting 🇬🇧

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks Paul. The knives work very good. They seem to be keeping their edge prett good too.

[@hardworkingmanoutdoors]

Joe, when you donned your full ppe outfit you forgot the gloves lol. At least you had the steel toes and chaps on. The ppe police will probably let you off with a warning on this one. The 405 is a nice machine.

[@ohiowoodburner]

These were special skin-colored gloves. LOL

[@Millstone_Firewood]

That's great! The Japa didn't have the slightest problem with the elm.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Just went right thru it. LOved it

[@Trackhawk735]

Elm is no test for the splitter. Try a gum log. That would be a challenge.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Gum is nasty. I hate the sell too. Ugh

[@arnecarlsson9740]

We can all sleep well tonight! The Elm drama did not happen! 😁😁😁

[@ohiowoodburner]

haha. Something out there lurks however. There is always a Waterloo. Thanks Arne

[@DanielAtkinsFirewood]

Finland did a great job making the power of hydraulics.. 😁👍

[@ohiowoodburner]

They sure did Dan!

[@haroldanderson2781]

I’m impressed. When you run the bar at the same time as the splitter it slows a bit on regular wood. The speed of the ram in the elm looked similar to that speed just splitting.

[@ohiowoodburner]

That is because I had it adjusted correctly. When you hear the engine bog that is operator error

[@jasonpeterson9276]

Isnt it amazing how well the box wedge does on elm.. we have alot of red elm here and no one wants to split it on a convensional splitter.. so thru the years i used to let tree services dump it here and when we built the box wedge i couldnt believe it split so nice too.

[@ohiowoodburner]

It seem if the machine takes slices off of it things go much better Jason. Thanks buddy

[@jasonpeterson9276]

@ohiowoodburner one of these days i need to make a video of the knife blades we made 3 years ago for the processor. Its a 28 way wedge design that we didnt know if it would work but does amazing with 24 to 36 inch wood. Can take a 3ft log and make bundle wood out of it at 2 3/4" pieces. I get alot of tree service stuff.

[@m9ovich785]

Das yapper has the advantage of the push Plate bottoming out on the Wedge. Unlike most Splitters stop just short leaving the Elm stings staying together. I have as Piece of Horse Mat on My splitter just for Stringy Wood. Mike M.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Interesting. This has that hard nylon insert which shoves into the ram. Hard stuff

[@atskooc]

I’ve got some Chinese Elm trees in my yard. Some suffered tornado damage last year, so I cut it and split it. I wish I would have a 405 when I was putting it through my box-store splitter! Nasty stuff!

[@ohiowoodburner]

Ugh. That must have been a chore buddy!

[@atskooc]

@@ohiowoodburner it was! I’ve got another Chinese Elm I need to take down this winter. Not looking forward to it.

[@johnrosier1686]

Long live the mighty elm!

[@ohiowoodburner]

I agree John. Elm is my fav tree!

[@obiorah1]

the 405 made mince meat out of that Elm Log will be ideal for Camp fire wood, Have a good day Joey

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks. Elm is a nice firewood. It's just tough to make become that LOL

[@thefirewooddoctor]

A friend of mine has a very mature elm that Dutch Elm Disease couldn't kill! Tols him that he should contact the DNR, Department of Natural Resources, to collect the seeds and grow more of them.

[@ohiowoodburner]

THere are orgs that would take cuttings from it. That is known as a survivor elm

[@michaelrivest2107]

Nice job Joe ! a lot cleaner splits than I get with Elm on my box splitter !

[@ericspencer6952]

Hi Joe…Hope you and the family are well.Great video.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks Eric. Same to you buddy

[@outdoorswithlarryrobin]

Hello Joe, It certainly had no issue with elm, Take Care 🪵👍🏼🇺🇸

[@ohiowoodburner]

Just another day for the 405! Thanks guys!

[@chrisartman6168]

Hi Joe. That box wedge did a great job. I’m sure the super splitter is happy it won’t have to resplit that stuff. On another note, I saw a classic example of an up sale. Sheetz has a promo going, buy 2 Dr. Pepper 20oz bottles and get 2 free hotdogs. I figured you might like this promo. Ha ha. Have a great day 👍🏻!

[@Z-Bart]

My downtown hometown did a huge highway project last year and cut down many elm trees. Sad to see them gone.

[@ohiowoodburner]

That is a shame especially if they were healthy. What town was it buddy?

[@Z-Bart]

@@ohiowoodburner Not for public consumption. Lol. Check your records. I'm in there somewhere. I won a tee shirt a couple years ago.

[@lamarwilliams185]

Great video!!!

[@ricksmith-iw2op]

Nice job Joe. Looks like it did well.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks rick👍

[@jasone679]

I bet the 405 didn't sleep well either knowing what it was going to be up against the following day. Not only did it handle it, but as you said the wood looked real good especially compared to when I split elm with my ol box store splitter.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I agree. No strings at all. Just nice wood

[@On_The_Farm]

Hey Joe, we have a lot of Elm in Wisconsin, but it only grows so large and then dies standing. I can wager you will find an Elm log that gives the 405 fits, especially if there are knots.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I agree. Every machine has its Waterloo awaiting

[@knottwworking]

Knott a problem! The 405 wins again!! 👍

[@ohiowoodburner]

harhar ... Thanks Knotty!!!

[@MrJFoster1984]

Looks just like some of the logs I split in Tasmania Australia 👍

[@ohiowoodburner]

We need to bring a Japa to you and give it a try Mr J!

[@MrJFoster1984]

@@ohiowoodburner That would be awesome, would beat the Iceberg splitter I use now 😂👍

[@LeBlancfirewood]

Just have to wait one more season

[@tonto8069]

That tree is on the PA side of Ohio on Rt 80? I travel that way 2-3 times a week and never noticed it. I’ll have to pay attention next time out. Great video. I never doubted she would split it.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Not in PA. It is just inside the Ohio line on Rt 80. Nice looking elm.

[@waynetharp]

I get Elm occasional and sometimes it is super stringy. Yet...I have been splitting some the last 2 days that has split very nice. I think it smells like a creek that has flooded a few days after the water has gone back down myself.👍

[@ohiowoodburner]

Interesting description. I like it. LOL. I like creativity like that wayne!

[@waynetharp]

I grew up with a decent sized creek in the backyard and I also have one where I live now. There is a distinct smell after flood water receded and that what Elm reminds me of when split especially if it is dead/dry!🤠

[@greenriverfarm2692]

I sure wished you had been my history teacher I’d probably would have leant something.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I would have given extra credit for Dr Peppers

[@rodneydufrain3623]

I don't feel that elm is as tough of wood to split as people think. The first time I broke the wedge on my Turner mills processor was with a stringy ash but log. The second time was a hard maple but log. I agree elm is tough stuff when it's tree service wood. A small elm like you had that's just like any other stick of log length firewood.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Seems to be stringy regardless. I should have done a maul on one to show.

[@kurtsimmons1587]

Joe you should spray the section where you have rust with some WD-40. I ran a production saw in the early 80’s and it was 50 years old then. Not a speck of rust because at the end of the day we’d always spray it down with WD-40.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Good idea Kurt. I will do that going forward.

[@njonebale7889]

Great video…your really funny!…I got to give it up to that machine, it does look like it’s built cheaply with the thin gauge steel and welds, but it processed rather quick and smooth, I like the little shaker deck before it hits the conveyor! Would like to know how many cords it produces in a 4 or 8 hour run.

[@Drop_N_Chop_LLC]

I had a feeling that Elm would not be an issue!

[@ohiowoodburner]

Didn't even sweat. Thanks bud

[@jimstewart8927]

You normally activate the cut off bar while splitting the prior piece believe you should have applied those actions for the test! The split ram did do a remarkable job would be great to know what the relief valve spec/setting is on that valve! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we me live Elm makes excellent shade and that about covers it's positive aspects. Obviously your processor is a tremendous machine!

[@ohiowoodburner]

That wasn't intentional. I was just wanting to highllight the wood getting split. I'm sure it would have been fine. I can also dial back the saw pressure to help the splitter out.

[@rogerbelanger295]

Hey Joe. Enjoying your video with my Sunday morning cup of joe. Fun build up. You got my lol😂at when you said you removed your chaps and boots. I imagine the comments are a pain if you didn’t do that.

[@ohiowoodburner]

haha. You must be on to me

[@joshuahughes106]

Ive had elm split as easy as ash, ive had it stall out my 37ton champion, all depends on how it grows i guess!

[@fredericktownhomestead8094]

Did you mention this is a tiny elm? Like so small it really doesn't need splitting.

[@rexcamp261]

Lol you crack me up I seen Easton maids run logs way bigger and much more crooked! Lol You're running straight wood you cut the knot out! Lol thanks the video said great though!

[@ohiowoodburner]

That's the way you run a processor. I've gotten spoiled!

[@littlejohn9864]

If Santa was real I know what would be on my list great machine

[@Jumpersplace]

Try a little rock maple in the Japa sometime. 🤔

[@thecraportheoreos7834]

Hey 👋 Joe

[@ohiowoodburner]

Hey there

[@Quietcornerfirewood]

two things....we use the same ppe. i was splitting a load of red oak yesterday and my wife came out and said it smelled good. made me think of how much you hate it.

[@ohiowoodburner]

har har. I cannot stand the smell of oak LOL

[@michaelmiller8914]

The 405 handled that Elm like a champ. I am interested to see if it can split sweetgum if you have that in your area.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I will try it when get one Mike. I hate the smell of it

[@benorsman9654]

You should try a dry twisted blue gum

[@ohiowoodburner]

Gum is nasty stuff for sure

[@billyhill101]

Howdy joe wow mind blone!

[@ohiowoodburner]

haha. Great machine for sure Mr Hill!

[@ronsmith126]

Hey Joe, that’s a sweet machine. I wonder how it would handle black walnut

[@ohiowoodburner]

No clue. I don't think I ever got any walnut yet. I hope to some day

[@ronsmith126]

I just took about 14 trees off my property, a mixture between black walnut and regular walnut

[@Dorchwoods]

405 making the elm look like white pine

[@ohiowoodburner]

Wore that elm out for sure!

[@philliphall5198]

We have a little elm and it’s tuff 😢

[@ronaldlee2376]

I never had difficulty with piss elm, splitting with sledge/wedges or 16 hp splitter. Cut & split trees with 36" base or larger. Modern Elm does not grow as large in diameter before mother nature kill it, but it burns like its counterpart of the 1950's. Great BTU's & appetite from loading unto trailer & processing same. Too bad it is disappearing like Ash, Ironwood & Beech Trees.

[@brandonhoad9033]

Found a dead elm in my woods in March. Had no problem at all splitting it. Splitter is single wedge and 70 hp , sometimes 95. 3pt hitch tractor powered. Did you get a moisture on the elm?

[@ohiowoodburner]

This stuff is pretty wet. The log was green when it came onto the land

[@fricknjeep]

hi there well done , down hear everyone hates Gum .john

[@ohiowoodburner]

Gum is nasty for sure JOhn. Hate the smell too!

[@TimothyTate-tc5yk]

Have you ever split hickory on your 405? I've have hand split hickory many time's and it is one of the hardest wood to split even on my 35 ton log splitter. The next hardest wood is hedge it's a very hard wood. Hedge is so hard it like a rock. Hand splitting hedge wood takes hours to split with wedges. Even my 35 ton log split has a very hard time splitting the hedge wood. So I challenge you and you 405 to split hickory and hedge if y'all have hickory and hedge in Ohio.

[@ShannonFreng]

What do you think of the 435?

[@adammac4381]

Split it green, its less of a problem

[@ohiowoodburner]

This was pretty green. It was def wet inside. Smelled LOL

[@robertlivingstone3947]

good job joe 405 is a beast but my question is what restaurants will use elm

[@ohiowoodburner]

It can go to pizza ovens. They don't really care about species.

[@randywilson6869]

I would give a guy down the street that sold fire wood all my elm. Him and his dad built a splitter with a 6 inch ram out of a trash truck. I beam look like a bridge beam lol had a winch (hand crank) I had a agreement with him that if he wanted it he had to take good bad and ugly. So that is why the ole man built the splitter so he could split them big ole y s and knots.he wood bring a 40 foot gooseneck and man did I load him down his dad would get so mad at me but oh well. That splitter had a cycle that took about 3 minutes just to come back lol. Even that crazy thing wouldn’t split those red elm. Now u have the easy elm we call it white elm and it splits pretty easy but if u get some red cedar elm just toss it in the fire pit. Ole Herald bell was his name and he sold the crap out of it and mix it up with that junk cotton wood slab stuff 5 inches of bark and 3 wood. Cheap wood that takes a lot to produce. Poore people have poore ways

[@ohiowoodburner]

Thanks for the post Randy. Seems dutch elm disease has put a lot of elm thru splitters

[@philliphall5198]

I have them all around my house

[@barbaraleerssen3999]

In my part of country it is known as Piss Elm now you know why.

[@ohiowoodburner]

LOL there is an "interesting" odor for sure

[@gusm5128]

Easy Peazy Joe 💪

[@Benandkateoffgrid]

Is there a noticable difference in types of Elm for splitting? I know of red and white for sure but I think there's a yellow as well. Ours in Wisconsin is normally much rougher when split (never tried it with a 405 though) i think we have red and white here, just my curiosity.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I don't know about that. I have only dealt with the American Elm. I saw a Chinese elm in a arboretum once and some type of elm in Finland but I can't distinguish between the others.

[@jimanderson4495]

Thanks Joe. What’s your chainsaw of choice.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Dolmar 7900!

[@sandrasmith1186]

Joe, are you sure that was elm. Lol. It did not have all of the normal stringy crap other splitters put off. Great job

[@ohiowoodburner]

haha. It was def elm. Smelled like it for sure. It had fresh leaves on it when it came in they had since dried up

[@timphillips9594]

It's time for a black gum, Good job Japa 405, and you to Joe

[@brandonhoad9033]

Sure Jesse can find him one

[@ohiowoodburner]

Gum is nasty. That smell drives me crazy too LOL

[@johncollins500]

Knew it could do it without a doubt. Japa is the Jack Nicholas of the processors. Have you ever run a sycamore or a sweet gum in your Japa. Emily needs to be awarded employee of the decade!!! No Joe you can't have it, you are the employer!!! Lol just kidding!!! Until next time have a great day

[@ohiowoodburner]

I have never had Sycamore. Gum is nasty for sure John!

[@rodneysweetnam8653]

​@@ohiowoodburnerHi Joe - Big Rodders here. Sycamore is my favourite wood to buck and split. The bark & wood splits cleanly - similar to Beech but much less liable to explode when you hit real pressure points such as knots.

[@jimmieburleigh9549]

Did you split that chunk with the curve and knot? That would be a good one to split with regular splitting knives. Oak vs elm what kind of BTUs you get out of elm.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I didn't split it. It is in my ibc for the Axis. I will try to get it filmed. Elm isn't as high as oak but dries out much faster and has good btu.

[@simbolres]

bad of you for not wearing goggles and chainsaw pants

[@randywilson6869]

They also call it piss elm too for the smell have u ever split any black jack?

[@ohiowoodburner]

I have not. I don't think it grows up here. I saw it once in Fla.

[@duanekalmbach1864]

The Perfect Split did a much nicer job than a traditional regular wood splitter . I get way more stringy splits than you did.

[@ohiowoodburner]

Agree. It's like the knives of the PS just slice thru it. Doesn't tear it like a wedge

[@nickthrane4940]

Ever tried Black Gum? Even worse then Elm or just as tough. Sycamore too really stringy and holds a lot of water 💧

[@ohiowoodburner]

I had black gum thru my Axis. Nasty wood and I hate the odor

[@cowboyramessesii623]

What would the 405 do if u put a pice of live oak in it

[@ohiowoodburner]

I've never worked with it. Not sure.

[@RobertViani]

My Timberwolf TWP1 could split just about anything… Elm was its nemesis.

[@corybetts1569]

I think gum might have elm beat as being a pain to split.

[@ohiowoodburner]

I'm beginning to think the same Cory

[@Ihscout1069]

Black gum next

[@toddpacheco4748]

Joe for scheib it was sycamore ❤😊😮

[@ohiowoodburner]

Tough wood for sure. Never had it for the Japa though

[@cutNdryfirewood]

At this point in your business, do you believe having a business website has set you apart from cheaper competitors. I would think so. ?? TIA Keep up the good content. I bought a Super Slit from watching yours.😊

[@ohiowoodburner]

Most important thing I ever did with OWB. Get a web site