Steel Vengeance (2018) VS Mean Streak (1991) RIDER EXPERIENCE COMPARISON

[@vz9931]

Best quote of the year: "Yeah, Steel Vengeance is kind of lacking in the trim brake department."

[@VarietyEntertainmentStudios]

Mika Sussmann Yup, I’m refusing to ride SV until more trims are added

[@seanthecomentator]

Cedar point watched this video and took on board the constructive criticism

[@Meekimotosyoutubechannel]

Why add trims? Let her rip

[@tismejaytee]

@@Meekimotosyoutubechannel r/whooooooosh

[@ElToroRyan]

Uh... all the comments about trims on SV are a joke

[@luc6284]

I think the prelift on Steel Vengeance gives more airtime than all of Mean Streak ever did

[@Darkaxelgaming-tt7ip]

Who thought mean streak was a good ride? That's right now one.

[@detroit5369]

@@Darkaxelgaming-tt7ip I LOVED MEAN STREAK...ESPECIALLY THE THIRD DROP WITH THE CAMERA...

[@detroit5369]

but 100% like SV way more. Just love both. Love the structure and look probably more then anything

[@ryanwinders6912]

The new bumber cars are a smashing hit!

[@exiledrabbit]

Mean streak was brutal man, how can you not enjoy a ride that that you can't even sit against your seat

[@quincyjohns2112]

The only coaster account I’ve seen that actually credits Alan Schilke, even if it’s subtle. Nice job👌🏼👍🏼

[@theaverageDon]

Glad Steel Vengeance was built, so now every ride after it has a bar to stand up to

[@amanor409]

I’m sure chiropractors miss Mean Streak. They’re likely the only ones that I can think of though

[@TheBigScreenPictures]

I miss it. I loved Mean Streak

[@waveiscursed]

mean streak was mostly accepted to be bad but some humans liked it such as mean streak henry i have seen more than 10 people say they limed mean streak so its probably the most polarizing dinn corp ride

[@ppipowerclass]

I only remember because I was there ( you can't find any info about it online, because Cedar Point did whatever they had to back in the day to make sure it was kept quiet ). But someone got their hand ripped off on Mean Streak. lol.

[@natepoch2416]

Found the original news article about that incident in an archive - his hand wasn’t ripped off though it was a serious injury, severe lacerations to his wrist.

[@johnhull9073]

“Can’t think of WHY” that alone, instant sub. Laughed my ass off. Looking forward to more content dude, keep it up

[@theodoreboosalis]

I wish they had both. I rode Mean Streak in 2015 on the last day 27 times in a row - because nobody rode it. They let us ride through. That happened alot in the last couple of years of operation. I loved Mean Streak's length and sound. Steel Vengeance is more like a video game - you don't get to achieve full sensory stimulation because it just motors through the entire structure. Not sure - but I do love both - but I think I like Mean Streak a little more.

[@stiqula]

No WAY anyone can survive being shaken to death riding Mean Streak 27 times.

[@enfynet]

Mean Streak was designed for “positive forces” not airtime. The designer is quoted saying he wanted to emphasize the scale and speed of the ride.

[@ElToroRyan]

enfynet there were hardly any forces at all on Mean Streak lol the valleys were all super drawn out.

[@enfynet]

That statement was made by the ride designer. Keep in mind this was before CAD was widely used for these rides. Positive forces on a wooden structure can be very problematic.

[@enfynet]

Salvador Luna airtime is negative G forces. Dinn wanted positive“press into your seat” forces.

[@stompingpeak2043]

@@enfynet mean streak did have alot of forces. The force that sent you to the chiropractor after 2 or 3 rides. That thing shook like a shake weight 🤣

[@JCapMedia]

I felt more force on Gemini than mean streak

[@samtheleviathan9145]

2:49 😂👌 amazing very amazing I’m still dying of laughter omg

[@therideanalyst6794]

Digger totally rammed chess 😏

[@scottyjbd]

I loved Mean Streak when I was 8. It’s a good kiddie coaster.

[@averyrizzolo9082]

I’ve ridden Mean Streak over 3 dozen times, and when I worked there in the 2015 season it was starting to age rather quickly. Of course, it was infamous for its rough experience, and some riders leave with a headache, thanks to the very painful sounds produced by the trains. One of the most jarring moments of that ride was almost like you’re working with a jackhammer, another was the over-banked curves, which didn’t quite provide enough airtime, it only provided a moderate amount of lateral Gs. this coaster also had the capability to stack trains just fine, during 3 train operations, in the event of a hold-up. In the mid-2010s, the coaster became a walk-on for the last few seasons of its lifespan, and the wait times were not as busy. In the early years, the trains traveled along parts of the ride too fast which exerted a lot of stress and wear to the tracks, thus requiring a considerable amount of maintenance to keep it running smoothly, and before the start of the 1994 season, trim brakes were added on the main drop to alleviate the stress and wear, thus requiring a less amount of maintenance along most of the tracks, but it still remained just as rough as the years passed on, and it significantly aged and was outdated. This coaster has been one of direct examples of Dinn Corps’ design and engineering inaccuracies and quirks. They were stuck with their primitive design and engineering methods, and never adapted to the computer aided design. Parks were still thrown into a “coaster war” back in the day as they wanted taller and faster coasters that would potentially take the amusement park industry by storm. At heart, Mean Streak was just a mid-20th century-style wooden coaster, but scaled up, and to account for faster speeds and to anticipate the trains’ speed loss, several sections were elevated higher in the air. PTC also designed longer trains, 3 trains with 7 4-seat cars (28 riders per train), anticipating that it would take on the scaled up layout, and it did. Wooden coasters were originally made to be thrill for families, and because they were smaller in height, designers and engineers were able to accurately predict the speed and forces the trains would take on. as well as maintenance that would be needed. This would now explain why most smaller wooden coasters are still in operation to this day, while the larger, mega-sized ones, have become a dying breed.

[@sammyjackieclarke]

Did chess consent? Holy shit XD

[@DannyThePrimeOne]

firey_ legit spit out the drink i was drinking when i read this oh my god 😂😂😂

[@electric7487]

This is gold

[@tentenchu8140]

"The one on the right" lmao

[@davidgreene6607]

Funny thing happened today. Standing in line for Steel Vengeance and this video popped up in my feed.🤣

[@retrochristmas7329]

Cedar point may hold a record for Most trim brakes. We should check this and file it with guiness book of world records lol

[@krackkorn6324]

2:49 oh golly

[@Physics072]

The Mean Streak looked cool and I've ridden it like 20 times over the years. I stopped riding it as it was not that scary and was getting less smooth with time. It beat you up but not in a thrilling way but as in this is not properly maintained way, like hitting a pot hole in your car because the track was not leveled properly. If you had any back issues it would make them worse. I've not ridden steel Vengeance yet but I hope they fixed the track issues of the mean streak. Also the mean streak used brakes not to make the ride more fun but it was done as an attempt to reduce track wear so not sure why that was even brought up in the video as anything meaningful.

[@ElToroRyan]

Oh the trim brake thing was a joke lol if you're looking for a smooth experience, than Steel Vengeance absolutely delivers on that!

[@Physics072]

Yea last time i went to cedar point it broke me of ever wanting to go back. Waiting in like for 7 coasters and ALL broke down when I was at the front of the line. rode 1 coaster all day. Tried water park, paid like 100+ for the kids to go and 10 seconds after I handed them they money they said "Sorry parks closed there is rain in forcast everyone out no refunds" well it never rained but they kept the money. Then some kind of traffic jam leaving at the park 2.5 hours of not moving at 11pm. So all in all it was the worst cedar point trip ever. Not been back.

[@cancercentral9997]

@@Physics072 That is some really, really shit luck.

[@George_Henshaw]

I always have like mean streak as a kid

[@miotch8225]

I've been to cedar point only a dozen times or so and would ride mean streak at least once each time. It was rough but tolerable but on the last visit I went on and it destroyed my back / spine. I had to physically try and stand in the seat so I wasn't touching the seat as every bump crushed my tailbone. That was the last time for me and later in the night when my friends wanted to go on it (since it had no line) I said Nope I am done and went to get a beer. The next year it closed and started building steel vengeance. I haven't been back since the first year of construction and can't wait to give SV a go

[@b.m.r221]

I know this is an older video from 6 years ago but I rode mean streak in 2009 and I puked had a headache and felt dead but had a great time riding it

[@laruep2275]

I like this style of video! Very cool!

[@TheCoasterConnorisseur]

Best quote of existance: "Digger totally rammed Chess"

[@jonlawrence6338]

1:30 I hope you meant the one on the left lol

[@ohioianscoasters3095]

This is hilarious I love it! Expecialy the identity crisis🤣🤣🤣

[@simplydk1647]

I didn't have a trim count on Gotham City gauntlet it was fun and hilarious

[@austinsoza1907]

Best roller coaster I ever been on!!

[@KondaaKage]

0:54 "the airtime point was removed" oh dang so why did the designer want to make it airtime-less hills?

[@skodwardee]

Can we see a video of that rct2 version of SV

[@ElToroRyan]

Skodwarde lol maybe if I finish theming it one of these days

[@Meekimotosyoutubechannel]

I wouldve liked to see RMC topper track on it before the Steel Vengrance conversion. But oh well Steel Vengeance rules. While alot of wooden coaster enthusiasts are mad, I think they did a badass job on it. Rode it in may a month after the small train collision. It was awesome to put hands up on that first barrel roll. 11/10. Goat.

[@cparkes92]

The lift hill noise is Cedar Point throwing a little shade at Dollywood

[@datmattkid6258]

"Digger totally rammed Chess" R34 artists:

[@stiqula]

Mean Streak suuuucked. It was probably the roughest coaster at Cedar Point. Basically had to ride it last, because I just wanted to go home after it beat the hell out of me. Can't wait to try out Steel Vengeance!

[@Iceberg_City]

Enjoyable video! One of my Favorites! Upload MORE :) From a business standpoint ONLY. If you can imagine another steel hyper-hybrid roller coaster, hopefully built by Intamin (Werner Stengel a German Design Engineer responsible for introducing the Maverick). Note: Werner Stengel was not given the task of the Steel Vengeance, nevertheless, Design Engineer Alan Schilke, designed the concept. Since 1964, only 17 roller coasters exist underneath Cedar Fair LP's belt @CP. Fun Fact: CP has an estimated 3.6 million visitors per year and the CP openned in 1870. According to an anonymous source (RZ and JM), Intamin could potentially be in the stages of designing a VR for it's 150th Anniversary. While trial and error is being conducted (hense the Iron Dragon), the only question is... how will it stand in comparison to other parks. RZ, will focus on "Incremental Audiences," furthermore, there are numerous customer feedback stations located throughout CP (enough to make note of as unusual). Visitors are craving something new every year, however, 2019 could possibly be a complete makeover for CP. Offering new upgrades to many CP attractions providing an ultimate guest experience like no other. Along with the remodeling phase, rumors of VR technology ARE real. If you could design a VR roller coaster, what would you call it, what colors would be, and what track elements (e.g. Inclined Loops, Inline Twists, Airtime Hills) are your favorite? Leave your comments here or contact CP directly @ www.cedarpoint.com/help/contact-us. and remember to follow @TonyClarkCP on Twitter :) He'll appreciate hearing from you as well (TRUST US). Thanks for taking the time to respond your feedback could impact CP for 2020!!!

[@jaykay3071]

Bring back mean streak!

[@bobbysimecek5335]

Steel vengeance is like that one mario kart track in mario kart double dash waluigi stadium because of how much air you catch

[@Coastincolt]

Cool vid, Ryan! Haven't been to GA yet. How's our Bull running?

[@ElToroRyan]

Thanks! and Toro is running nice this year!!

[@sStyleMo]

Steel Vengeance could've ended the ride right after the outer bank turn and it still would've been considerably better than Mean Streak jk MS is god we do not insult our lord and savior

[@dindog22]

Schilke said that the 2 little hills before the lift hill don't count as air time

[@thegamingrailfan4031]

RIP mean streak 1991-2016

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

Kind of odd to see one train running backwards, especially cause it and people in it; normally to reverse the trains they can’t be occupied. I also don’t know why anyone would push both the forward and reverse buttons on successing block segments like that, I especially don’t know how the computer allowed it.

[@ElToroRyan]

Lol I made that happen with the power of some simple video editing

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

REALLY?! OMT! I DIDN’T KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT!!!!

[@ElToroRyan]

Yeah jk, I paid the ops to perform that stunt

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

ElToroRyan - WHAT?! IT WAS YOUR FAULT THEY CRASHED! 😱 BANNED FOR LIFE!!!

[@ElToroRyan]

0MindSwept0 AHH SHEEEEET. I’ve been caught

[@DerpstalkerYT]

You perfer mean streak?

[@rranger2834]

Meanstreak was an absolute ass kicker and you knew you did some work riding it afterward

[@yeetmcskeet1612]

This comment section is killer 🤣😭 all the mean streak roasts

[@edmilner2159]

2:22 Like really lol A TRIM BRAKE … BEFORE THE LIFT like cedar point really thought 10 mph had to be slowed :(

[@MrFlubbergem]

The trim breaks at the top of the lift hill killed the whole ride for me…

[@RealBlueony]

Identity crisis, lol. Also, you forgot inversion count and lift hill noise! LIFT HILL NOISE! I'd honestly give it a second identity crisis point for thinking this is a concert mosh pit with all that noise! Now don't think I didn't notice you with all those trims Meanie, you get an identity crisis point for thinking this is a break run! Also, your CHANNEL NAME now has an identity crisis; if Steel Vengeance is your #1, then why are you EL TORO Ryan and not STEEL VENGEANCE Ryan? And worst of all, I have a LIFE CRISIS because I'm not going to get to ride this until at least this summer! As Darth Vader (prequel) once said, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@ElToroRyan]

alex seidner Lmaoo I’ll make a Hurler vs Twisted Timbers video and point out that lift noise. And as much as I love SV, I’ll always be El Toro Ryan.... or Mean Streak Ryan

[@petersheeler6385]

Mean streak ryan has a nice ring to it, dethrone mean streak henry

[@ElToroRyan]

Peter Sheeler lmao Im the new Mean Streak Henry!

[@RealBlueony]

Sorry if I'm a bit late on the reply, but I think next April Fools Day, you should (for one day only) change your name to Mean Streak Ryan and make a video absolutely TRASHING Steel Vengeance, and saying how much better Mean Streak was, with all of its AWESOME trim brakes. You know you want to. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@ElToroRyan]

ooooooooooo now we're talking!

[@Fiendstein]

I rode Meanstreak once in 2011 it was thee slowest thing id ever been on lol i wasnt a fan for sure ...but im Dying to ride This!

[@jdawg3322]

It wasn't the slowest coaster in the park, not even close.

[@Fiendstein]

i was never referring to the actual speed limit.. but the mega slow duration getting there each time u slow down..

[@Fiendstein]

see how slow it goes over hills?

[@bradykabrick]

so is nobody going to talk about how he said he preferred the one on the right (mean streak) multiple times

[@vanessaross6890]

2:50 why just why

[@IC-lg5ll]

2:46 is that a real video of the crash (edit: I'm incredibly stupid)

[@ElToroRyan]

😂😂 no worries dawg

[@rmcjake5190]

Steel vengeance is wild and way better

[@sinad967]

Jacob Boger I'm pretty sure this was a joke

[@JesusChrist-ge5sw]

Obviously, anything RMC touches is awesome.

[@seymourmccarthy3974]

I don’t understand what airtime is can someone explain to me?

[@isapostolic6995]

Seymour McCarthy when you feel like you’re going to fly out of your seat

[@Nekore44]

Can't lie, mean streak does look fun though

[@rossburns2905]

it was incredibly rocky, i remember it having no line because no one wanted to take the beating from it

[@bendyandfriendsanimation1318]

You think mean streak is better than steel vengeance

[@ElToroRyan]

Call me Mean Streak Ryan .... jk of course SV is better lmao

[@MrFlightdeckfan]

I enjoyed both Mean Streak and Steel Vengeance. Mean Streak was fast and rough, but pretty decent for a wooden coaster. Steel Vengeance was pretty crazy, airtime were everywhere.

[@VarietyEntertainmentStudios]

Steel Vengeance needs more trim brakes before I’m willing to take a ride

[@jakey2_085]

Variety Entertainment Leave.

[@early2exit]

Aww, scared?

[@twirlyst.]

They're joking

[@sadpizza5918]

So you like meanstreak

[@CoasterCupcake]

0:59 😂😂

[@conic_shade9]

he said he prefers the one on the right, SO HE PREFERS MEAN STREAK LOL XD

[@echt114]

Steel has Mean beat in most every way except ambience. I loved the roar, clanking and shaking of Mean Streak. I've never cared about "air time" and don't understand the weird obsession with it.

[@steveo7771286]

It feels good. Most humans like things that feel good.

[@echt114]

@Steven Hall Jr: "Most humans"? Most humans wouldn't describe that feeling as good. It's an odd, slightly unnatural feeling. Not especially good or bad.

[@steveo7771286]

@@echt114 Well I love the rush I get and the way it feels, like a 5 year old being tossed in the air. It's quite awesome, unlike the throbbing back pain and headache caused by being jarred around and beaten to a pulp by that god awful atrocity known as mean streak. If you were to take that same 5 year old and slam them violently into the ground, that's mean streak. I know which I prefer.

[@echt114]

@Steven Hall Jr: For me the rush is all about the visuals, the dangerous feeling of the height, speed and especially the closeness to terrain as it flies by. Then there's the sound - the roar and clanking and accompanies all that. Also love launches and tight inversions. Compared to all that, the falling feeling (airtime) is boring to slightly uncomfortable. I've ridden rollercoasters since I was a little kid and would never describe any of them as "beaten to a pulp." That just seems really exaggerated. The only one I'd say was physically a problem was Riddler's Revenge at Magic Mountain, and that's about the restraint placement.

[@steveo7771286]

@@echt114 Oh. I've always loved that falling feeling. Drop towers were my absolute favorite as a kid. I don't seem to get as much out of them now, but a ride like Top Thrill Dragster and that weightlessness you get off of it. LOVE IT! I guess I see your point about the near misses and visual and aesthetic aspects of a ride, but for me it's just always been about the feeling in my stomach. Gets me giggling every time lol

[@longislandcoasters1484]

Not sure which looks better

[@shutupdeck]

I miss mean streak, it wreaked havoc on my boobies but will always be my favorite coaster 😭😭

[@One-pz3zk]

Laura Zitiello Then you should be glad it's gone

[@ccuff03]

2:45 isn't the accident

[@skilledsports32]

The mean streak was rickety and shaky as all hell

[@Coastincolt]

bbsp Only rode it once. Didn't like it!

[@sound7846]

I rode it probably a year or two before it was decommissioned, it hurt physically I had to sit down for several minutes

[@willdenoble1898]

Seal vengeance?

[@flightoffear3349]

Wish I was born soon enough before Mean Streak

[@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614]

Blue 30197 it was really fun, just got rough a couple years ago

[@flightoffear3349]

Danny Leche Man Now I am jelly :/

[@kevinquist]

to each their own. hated the mean streak. to busy being shaken to death to enjoy the boring path.

[@nicholasfield6127]

I loved mean steak and was so sad when they announced it closing. But steel vengeance is a worthy replacement.

[@rhynofn]

i like both, but if i was a little kid, i would like mean streak better, but steel vengeance is more fun personally, and mean streak was a rough ride for its last few years of service, but if it was as smooth as the gate keeper, then hell yeah that would have been up there just under steel vengeance

[@One-pz3zk]

Pyke Rhyno Mean Streak was garbage

[@danieledwards4274]

Ha! Good stuff

[@Yes2snake]

Let me guess, mean streak has 0 inversions

[@AtomiicCoasters]

Surprised you like MS more than SV

[@ElToroRyan]

;)

[@Hugabolunga]

It's like watching a sport where you don't understand the rules but pretend to.

[@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614]

I loved mean streak but steel vengeance was awesome

[@oboyz3848]

I road both baby

[@stormy7083]

1:33 mkay

[@datmattkid6258]

WAS IT WITH CONSENT?? DIGGER GONNA HAVE TO DIG OUT OF JAIL IF NOT!!

[@mynameiskrysta]

Yosahdoods

[@ppipowerclass]

MFW SV has more mid course trims than MS had total lol

[@e6384]

lol Digger totally rammed Chess

[@dibble1331]

“SteVeRyan”

[@brianhillier7052]

bring back the trim brakes!!! meanstreak deff better lol

[@Tortidis987]

The midcourse on Steel Vengeance should count as 100 trims considering how it ruins the ride more than any of the trims on Mean Streak ever did

[@johnleuenhagen9068]

Branden Steinagle nice b8

[@ElToroRyan]

Yeah you’re right, dis video sucks now. Sleep Vengeance is the worst ride ever. All hail Mean Streak

[@TheCoasterConnorisseur]

-_-

[@TheCoasterConnorisseur]

Ur serious right?

[@Pidge287]

What?!?? It does nothing to ruin the ride. If anything I’d rather it be there!

[@waveiscursed]

bean streak

[@early2exit]

Anyone who genuinely thinks Mean Streak is better only have their biased opinions. Steel Vengeance is clearly better than any other traditional coaster out there. Fan boys cant just appreciate the new structure they built because their blender was removed? Mean streak was great but definitely had more time running than it should have. One ride and I’d come off with bruised legs and a migraine. Tell me again how many times that’s happened with SV or on any hybrid coaster. Maybe stick to just making sure people are belted in for the ride! 👍

[@Saturian_planetball_Animationz]

Steel vengeance

[@whatisabc]

Does he really prefer mean streak?😮 I understand everyone has a right to their own opinions, but if so he's lost all credibility

[@jdawg3322]

Only 6 or 7 rides on Mean Streak? Amateur!

[@ElToroRyan]

J Dawg yeah it’s a fucking shame. I’m disrespecting Mean Streak so hard

[@coxscorner]

I rode Mean Streak 5 times. Steel Vengeance is 10 times better.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

I consistently prefer the original coaster to the RMC remake out of principle (that creating a new RMC coaster from scratch is art, whereas converting a woodie to an RMC is vandalism), the one exception being the one RCCA coaster that was built into the side of a cliff.

[@stormgirl09]

Identity crisis? Uh oh.....looks like SV been spending time on Tumblr!!

[@ElToroRyan]

girlstorm09 it has actually! SV sent me a DM the other day about its tumblr account

[@lol-wk7nk]

When you cry over trims on steel Vengeance.

[@eyekazooie9575]

Mean Streak

[@Jackp499]

Nah Mang Voyage and El Toro shit on Steve

[@user-w0lfgaming2019]

mean streak

[@henrybachor799]

mean streak quality btw