EMBN Vs Olly Wilkins | 1000 Foot Dead Challenge

[@embn]

Who should we invite to 100 ft dead next..?

[@tommfuller]

Electric Mountain Bike Network another 900 ft? :)

[@crimp888]

Steve peat 👍

[@MilatovichFamily]

Nino Schurter. With his own xc bike vs your weight-a-ton ebike.

[@leedove7255]

Interesting but I don't think the vest is very fair. If you could add 20kg to the bike it would be better. Jockeys get weight added to the saddle not themselves in horse racing

[@RichardWoodward]

Electric Mountain Bike Network why not invite the audience? Maybe 10 selected viewers, different levels of ability, with a selection of bikes to go against a few of you pros. I'm betting we'd all get creamed but it might give some Interesting stats.

[@vintage_lenses9878]

Watched your channel for 1 week and THANK YOU for enlighten me..... I am 64 and been biking for 57 of them but last year I got osteoarthritis in my knees. I live in Cornwall and yes, it's hilly so I had to stop going on my bike for any length of time. Been sneezing at e-bikes until I discovered your channel. Yesterday I bought a CUBE Stereo e-bike and WOW I am so happy. Been out for 4 hours today and coped well. Thank you again, you are the source that got me out on a bike again. My life is complete again

[@cornishcactus]

Nice one, tried one today for the first time at Cardingham on the Demo day, eye opener for sure. As I'm not the fittest, and I've not done any decent ride for 3 months anyway it let me ejoy the trail rather than blow myself out on the climbs with nothing left for the runs. For now I can keep working on my fitness but I'd not be turning my nose up at one in the future when the climbs stop making the rest worth it.

[@alasdairhill5166]

Simply Looe Cornwall excellent stuff,I was the same I shattered my right forearm in a motorcycle accident in 2016 am now unable to put much strain thru my right arm. I bought a Haibike allmtn last year and hardly use my motorcycle's anymore as I'm always out on my e bike love it

[@CharlieMcCormack]

62 and got same bike. Hip done in March and I am back on the Cube a few weeks later.

[@HarborEdwin]

Hate to say this, but all that pedal biking might have been the culprit to your knees : ( It's extremely hard on them. That said, #1 thing eBikes do, relieve those knees : )

[@christopherogley1714]

I'm riding with cancer...used to be a bit good...it's given me my youth back has my haibike pwx....it's stripped back at least 2 decades off my age..

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

I'm with Olly, he became a 97kg rider with the muscles / fitness of a 77kg rider. If he was 97kg most of it would become muscle to carry the weight. He was bloody entertaining and honest though. Why not get two blokes the same weight but differing ability next time???? Either way keep en coming as they make you think.

[@cornishcactus]

I'm about that weight with the strength of a wet kitten, no way I'm keeping up with him on the climb, the bike still wants you to do some work

[@haydenhockly5561]

It's hard to know what to do with these results really. Definitely it would have been helpful to have a baseline of Steve vs Olly with no vest on (and ideally on the same bike). I think Olly is awesome and he was a great sport to getting flogged by the 'old man' but maybe it would have been more helpful (informative) to have two riders of the same weight/fitness with one donning the vest to represent an over-weight, unfit person?

[@stevejones7956]

Hi Hayden i think that's where this feature is heading right?

[@MarkoPetejan]

Partly agree. Olly did not experience how is to be Steve, but he did experience how is to be overweight . No muscles in the belly, just dead weight. Trust me, I know....

[@CurvedSlightly]

Yes, but then those muscles will be burning energy and using oxygen, so still worse.

[@pendocam]

I ride with a mate who is the same age (58), he is 10k's heavier but allot fitter. On our previous non- ebikes, he was always waiting for me at the top of climbs. We now ride Levos, he is dialled in at 20% assist, I am at 40% and we stick together - we keep riding, no waiting, no stopping. This is where the 'leveller' is for us.

[@rolux4853]

That’s a great way to use an Ebike! Everybody uses the system to get to equal power levels is an amazing idea! But the usual case sadly is that everybody just sets it to turbo and that’s it.. (I’m one of those persons to btw. When I’m lucky and can get a rental Ebike between my legs instead my own analog bike)

[@mikeskor6230]

Such an enjoyable video!! I'm 69 years old and I'm on my Cube cross ebike everyday, mostly on rough mountain roads and trails. I can do the climbs fantastically but am still having trouble with descents on roads and trails with loose gravel and rock. After each ride I feel great from the exertion. The ebike has opened up a whole new world of biking pleasure. If you are active at 30 you will be active at 70.

[@5492sparky]

Agree with Olly on the results. On another note, he would make a great addition to the GMBN/EMBN team! Awesome video guys.

[@neilmarr9426]

Excellent, Olly was a great sport! Steve...hats off...the channel delivers again 👍🏻

[@tonyspack9314]

Steve your enthusiasm for riding bikes is fantastic . I pray to the ebike god everyday for inventing ebikes for us oldies 😂😂👍🏾

[@dhincks1]

I know for me at 67 and as a life long bicycle rider. I recently converted my Santa Cruz blur Circa 2003 custom build to a ebike. Bought a kit and went to work. It's got me back on the trails. I Absolutely love the e boost. In my youth I road my bikes on the pavement. At around 50 I parked the motorcycle and road bike, to many friends aren't with us anymore. I also built a at the time a top spec mountain bike all xtr group and hit the trails here in California & Nevada. I still try to stay off the pavement. I've been really enjoying your series. Cheers from California

[@carlbarnes4564]

Great video...Olly your a great sport, you two had me in stitches.

[@dronechoons]

I agree with the non functional mass comment, and as a heavier rider, i'm more used to pushing my bodyweight. i think it might actually be a fairer test if the weight was added to the bike. that way the lighter persons muscles can work unhindered. If you've ever tried bikepacking, first time you do it with a backpack, you don't do that again. it's much much easier if the weight is on the bike. So maybe not strap all the weight to the bike but spread it out more. but i think it is unfair strap a dead mass to a lighter rider, it think maybe also unfair to strap it all to the bike too mind, maybe 50:50? Dunno, tricky problem to level the field.

[@tamasvarga67]

It looks tricky at first but actually, it is very simple. It's power to weight ratio and equalizing the weights does not 'level the field' but puts the lighter rider in disadvantage especially when the difference is ~20kg. The added weight to the lighter rider significantly reduces his power to weight ratio and we could see the result in the video. If they had equal power to weight ratio then depending on the exact amount 4-5kg added weight to Olly would have equalized their weight difference without putting any of them in a disadvantage. They just have to 'do the math' before doing the test.

[@Aljonone1]

Well extra weight added to the bike has a big affect on how the bike handles, when you ride difficult trails, but this depends on how much you through the bike around, not make much difference riding fire roads

[@michaeldahm214]

Also the added weight is all up high on Olly. But still a very interesting experiment.

[@helmutbreuer2228]

great to have olly on the channel. one of the most skillfull riders ever.

[@cavandownes7060]

Love this series this was the best so far! I could see how much losing hurt Ollie but what a great sport! Looking forward to the rematch. E-bikes just extend your personal capabilities in terms of distance and climbing.

[@embn]

That climb hurt him more than losing!

[@DoubleDaneLife]

I am addicted to this channel, Steve.....ur attitude and overall presence is awesome!!!

[@christopherogley1714]

I say...I wish I could climb like Steve...he's unnaturaly good at steep climbs...fast as all hell back down....

[@neilerrey594]

Thank you, loved it and very encouraging for a 82 kg 80 year old. I need an Ebike. LOL

[@christopherogley1714]

Don't lol pal..EMTB has changed my life...were not all blessed with good health...... totally changed my life.... given me back my life...

[@4091740]

EXCELLENT scenery and editing skills!!

[@alexleaver642]

great vid ! Olliy is legend for even attempting those climbs with the extra weight. I'm pretty sure i would need a paramedic

[@williamstryker6643]

ODUB

[@CurvedSlightly]

4:14 "You OK there, mate? We're only trying to do a f**king video, you just crack on!"

[@BeeYksrr]

Olly is such an entertaining bloke to watch and Steve was on point as well. This was absolutely hilarious!

[@midlifebiker7424]

Im impressed with how close the DH times were...great vid and wish shedding weight was as easy as taking off a jacket haha Did Olly do a climb without the extra weight, would have been interested in the dif.

[@808GT]

Brilliant idea!!!! Show them youngsters what awaits them!

[@grantspassage]

Great Sport. Like Olly... Really enjoyed This one...

[@TimFromWales]

Good video that. ODub is always good viewing and I’m 100% with him on the dead weight addition - I’m sure Steve’s extra weight is distributed throughout muscle. This was the first of these challenges I’ve watched - gonna watch the others now.

[@Thumpermad]

I'm loving this None of my riding buddies would ever even the score up like that he's a champion no doubt fantastic best video thanks for sharing

[@thim8009]

That's unfair weight. People developed muscle over time to accommodate for their weight. If Olly wore that vest for 2 years I think it would have been a fair challenge. That's like putting a vest on a feather weight boxer and throwing him in the ring with a heavyweight, the outcome is the featherweight is going to hit the floor even harder.

[@RocketMagnetUK]

Should really have been on the same make/model of bike with the same power settings etc for any comparison/conclusions. Really enjoyable watch and the level of Smug was off the charts...

[@stephenbrown5844]

Fantastic crack Steve, love it🤣🤣🤣🤣stay safe💜👍

[@sunmeet]

If you've ever worked out with a weight vest you would also notice that it is harder to breathe with it on. Your muscles have to work against the pressure on your chest...

[@deanrwilson]

Love this...! Brilliant..

[@harindergill7221]

Hi Guys, thanks for a really entertaining video, enjoyed the banter. suggest next time please do try and have similar motors on both bikes as a Brose Vs Shimano doesn't seem balanced. my 2p

[@nouphabmixay2080]

This was an eye opener. I don't know what to think yet.

[@scottphillips2510]

I really enjoyed this video, Thanks and great effort as always. I think the issue with the added weight is Olly is use to carrying/training at his weight so when the extra weight is added its something his legs are not use to. I think trying to level the playing field is a very complicated issue and this is the main reason I feel EMtb racing (i would love to see more of this) would be biased to 70kg (ish with the appropriate fitness level) riders. Thanks again from an ageing mtber saving for a emtb

[@stevemansfield9582]

Olly is right here on a number of reasons. You increased his weight by 20kg but his muscles are used to coping with his own body weight. Secondly, e-bikes are soooo much faster over the rough stuff!! My Haibike Nduro gives me so much more rolling confidence when it gets rough. Keep the wheels on the ground and they won’t let you down. Great vid, and get Olly on the embn team!!!

[@rrobotman]

Enjoyed this and has given me food for thought. I too think that Ollie was essentially a fit 72kg rider now with an extra 26kg and without the fitness a rider would normally have being at that riding weight. Steve was really close for this type of challenge on the downhills so the difference in in the climbing and a rider who trained and ran normally at that weight had a big advantage.

[@paulrichards2860]

Weight on a vest and pack, is nothing like the weight spread over the whole body. Interesting test, and a bit of fun, but I wouldn't say it was particularly scientific 😂😂 love the focus by the way 👌👍

[@chrislamb958]

Love the channel guys! I like the look of Olly’s bike helmet but can’t find it online, what’s it’s called and where can I buy one? Thanks :)

[@neilblundz807]

Oh man😂 Fair play to Ollie, he got screwed over there big time with all that dead weight😂

[@creekhed697]

Can you do an episode on Bottom Bracket heights, differences between E and Analog BB geometry designs, crank length variation/evolution, pedal strikes, and How those things effect the E-Bike riding experience? ;)

[@creekhed697]

oh ya, and Q Factor!

[@sheepdog1102]

I enjoyed the hell out of that! Great riding guys!

[@adamkelly6264]

as a dude carrying about 20kg of "non-functional weight" myself, I'm loving this series.

[@johnbeedham3010]

I'm 62 years old, I own a hardtail mtb, dual sus mtb, roadie, Bosch performance hardtail and , most recently a full sus emtb with Shimano E8000...I live in big hill country...my ebikes get regular use ...the non-e's get a regular dust off and tyres pumped up (so they are ready to go!)

[@bbarker5766]

I didn't think much about them until I went to Dirt Fest WV this year and I only got to ride 1 however it really impressed me as I cleaned several places that I never cleaned on regular bikes due to my fitness. I'm 48 and really trying to get back into better shape and loose weight after some complications put me down for a longer period that was thought. I fell completely in love with a certain regular enduro bike but I want to try more e-bikes to maybe use those to get my fitness back and then switch between the two whenever I want to do somethings differently. BTW.... I loves these kinds of videos!!

[@michaelbettinelli8469]

GOODOYA OLLY. Adding extra 20kg of non functional weight is tough going. Thank you Steve for competing at 50. Interstingly im just about to turn 50 and just bought a Giant Full E-Pro, so now watching and practicing as much as I can to keep up with the younger members of my Mountain Bike Club. Great Video guys...thanks heaps..! :)

[@osnd]

Where was that recorded?

[@chriscoombes5697]

Where is this trail it looks fun.

[@woolfel]

excellent video. Interesting and food for thought.

[@sjkotey5265]

Hi Last Friday I (finally, gsus does Canyon have a lame ass service) received my Canyon Spectral on. Great bike but I am a bit scared to wash it concidering the motor. Can I just hose it off with a garden hose or do I need a bucket and avoid the motor and battery contact points to get wet?

[@poppypopsll28]

I could do with the answer too, bit scared to wash my Bosch unit properly, its clean but not as clean as I'd like

[@4747-z9z]

How big is the frame size of Ollys Sam2 ?

[@plunder1956]

The differnece in dynamics between LIVING as a 97Kg rider is a totally different experience. To a 77Kg rider carrrying dead weight (high up like that). As a 62 year old rider at 98Kg I was feeling for Olly at the end of that test.

[@SagittarA]

the RIGHT question if you want to know if E-Bikes are good levellers is: Would it be better or worse to do it with those weights on normal bike rather then it is on e-bike? I wouldnt rly focus on times when someone gains 25kg of dead weight in seconds which was like 1/3 of his actual weight btw agains person that is used to hiss body mass and is trained by it.

[@leighharris1209]

Steve, you just wanted to beat a pro half your age for your own vanity.... you can see it in your face, you look all smug at the end 😂😂 good on you mate sowing these youngsters who's boss. Good bit of fun.. as always very entertaining and good to watch.👍

[@simonbradford3422]

Great challenge that demonstrates that ebikes for late 40s and up are a fantastic way for everyone to get out on the trails and get fit, enjoy the environment and the pleasures of mountain biking i adore my Mondraker Evantage.......... and in the film whos that bloke that walked into the church while filming he must have wanted to photo bomb the session lol Ollie great geeza and should be seen more on EMBN and Steve all i can say "Hero"!!!

[@elementour]

Anyone know where these trails are

[@1biker4life]

Love your show. The Top Gear of e-bikes! There are 2 topics I'd like to see. With private trails derestricting isn't a problem. How well do the bikes hold up to heat, etc? Secondly, how do you outfit an ebike for trail building? Thanks guys

[@hammyh1165]

Definitely a leveler. I'm 100kg 5'6"" and not so fit , my friend is 100kg 6' and an elite enduro rider. If I stick to Eco and trail he can still smoke me on the climbs unless it gets proper steep .

[@mymodel6]

Hi guys, i'm seriously struggling to decide between a Haibike DH and a Kenevo. Either would be XL size, but my biggest worry is the saddle height on the XL Kenevo. Even at lowest drop with a different, lower profile dropper post it looks like i'm not going to be able to get it low enough. If you or anyone has any advice regarding this issue i'd be grateful as there are no shops anywhere even remotely close to me has any in stock to try out. Thanks.

[@embn]

Well, it's really important to get the saddle height right, so if you're not able to get that low enough, maybe the Kenevo isn't for you?

[@mymodel6]

Have you observed this specifically as problem with the Kenevo yourselves?

[@funlovin1981]

Just matching weight doesn't even it out. You'd need to weight to height % and compare to Olly. Also good point on the carrying dead weight as opposed to weight distribution

[@stanphiz]

Superb video. But are we get mixed up with the power to weight ratio. Does someone who weighs 13stone have the leg muscle to add an extra 3stone to even it up with someone who weighs 16stone? The guy with 16stone carries that weight all day long so his muscles are use to that weight?

[@RichardWoodward]

That's going to be the Interesting question to answer. I'm 105kg, not all fat though, and at 50 years old I can cream people half my age on loops riding my ebike even using eco mode only. The bike is twice the weight of their none ebikes and they keep accusing me of using turbo even though I honestly don't. There's more to this than any of us realise and it's going to be Interesting to see the results from more challenges over the coming months.

[@tamasvarga67]

Actually, it's all about power to weight ratio... If they have the same (~5W/kg) and you add extra weight to the lighter rider then his power will stay the same at higher weight so his power to weight ratio drops and he will be slower - as we could see it in the video.

[@magpie7791]

Love these type of videos!! What you need is a couple of people maybe 4. 2 young people (ie 20yrs) and 2 older people (ie 50yrs) male & female, with average riding ability. And then see how much an electric bike helps to improve thier riding in different ways, such as speed ect but also how it effects things like confidence and how their view of mtb'ing changes.

[@dannygayler90]

Well , I'm all most 72 , been riding E Bikes ( both Giants ) since I was 68 , , was very unfit and fat when I started 4 yrs ago now , no problems , I think You two should try riding here in Tasmania here in Tasmania , bet U can't make the cut ?

[@dannygayler90]

Not much flat country around here , I use the Ebike to go most all places !

[@dannygayler90]

Not much flat country around here in Tassie !

[@TwoWheelWarrior]

Can you Nino Schurter or Julian Absalon or Geoff Kabush or Peter Sagan or another top level endurance athlete for the next one?

[@embn]

And get them to ride their normal XC bike!

[@oliverpaton556]

Where is this?

[@victorreppeto7050]

I am 51 years old and I weigh 116k. Obese, I know. This piece addressed some good questions. I really appreciate the way it was presented as food for thought without jumping to conclusions. Great job!

[@christopherogley1714]

OBESE???I..if I caught someone taking to me like you do to you I'd put there teeth thru....I've allways been around that weight...buy a strong bike...HAIBIKE

[@christopherogley1714]

I've ripped 2 pairs of pedals straight out of the crank arms. Thrashed it that much it's borderline beastiality. . Pulled threads straight out ...no motor damage whatsoever. Yamaha pw-x. Haibikes man. Cheap cranks at 40quid too

[@johnbeedham3010]

not all 250w ebike motors are equivalent ?

[@RichardWoodward]

Was that the Sam or Jam Olly was riding? Great video and surprising results.

[@RocketMagnetUK]

Wondering the same thing... the shock was orientated the same as on the Sam2?

[@RichardWoodward]

That was my guess as well but hard to be sure. I really like the idea of the focus dual battery setup but can't decide between Sam or Jam. I've already got a hardtail efatty, ktm macina, which is excellent for general use go anywhere but want a full suss big mountain bike for the cumbria fells. Is the Jam enough or would the Sam better suite my needs. That's the question.

[@RocketMagnetUK]

Same here but if I've got motor assist I may as well go 170 and the Sam2. I ride in the Lakes also and quite like the idea of doing big fell rides with 170. I can do the rides unassisted but looking for something that adds variety to my riding.. don't really care about the naysayers as it's my choice and none of their business imo. Dual battery is a game changer.

[@evanbarnes9984]

Steve walks around all day every day with his bodyweight, meaning that his muscles, nervous system, and balance are all prefectly accommodated to it. Steve also seems to be taller, so his extra weight on Ollie isn't just extra fat, it's bone and muscle. Ollie suddenly gained an extra 20kg of weight, all of which was nonfunctional, and was centered on his torso. His muscles and nervous system aren't at all accommodated to that, and the weight shifted his center of mass significantly upward, which affects balance.

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

I know this is an old comment, but I think the idea of the video was to show that any added weight even if it's dead weight doesn't mean the bike will just pull you up the hill without any effort as a lot of people think (at least at this point in time when the video was made) Ollie def would have smoked him without it, no doubt. That would be the same though on a regular bike.. I'd say that heavier riders have a much harder time, even with functional weight, climbing.. For obvious reasons. The ebike helps take that weight off but you still gotta power it up the hill. Lighter riders will have a much easier time on an emtb than a heavier rider. Same as a regular bike.. but it does show that it's not like a moto where you just pack up 100lbs of supplies on the back and power up a hill. It does have to go through your own power output.

[@darcyphillips70]

I’m 50 in 3 months time and I can cope with the climbs....I work to the rule, if you want to drop it then you’ve got to earn it & climb it. I don’t have an eBike btw, a Scott Scale 740 & I love it

[@mornevandenberg296]

Hey Steve !! loose your go-pro on the last stage ??

[@schonsospaet22]

very good video, thanks, but how about using the same bikes with the extra weight xD

[@lorraineferguson231]

hahaha!!! fun video !! thank you :)

[@12chuzzy]

You increased a riders weight by 25%, of dead weight. If you did the same thing to the bike you wouldn't expect to see a 25% performance reduction, it would be greater because you haven't uprated the battery. Same thing, lighter the rider to start off with the more they give away in potential power output simply because of less muscle mass. Also, the big fella has longer levers (legs), which are a massive advantage in any task involving effort (moving a lump uphill) you didn't increase those on O-Dubz either.

[@henrikelle5513]

Awsome vid!

[@vr4042]

From riding with a variety of riders, some of whom sue weight vests for training. We have concluded that as a rule of thumb, HALF of a weight differential is functional and half is dead weight. So to equalize riders with a 20 kilo differential you have to add 10 kilos to the lighter rider.

[@embn]

That's a simpler option than what some viewers have suggested. Worth trying perhaps!

[@Memories4lifemedia]

lol love this great idea

[@Mook303]

Didn't answer the question but a great fun video nonetheless!!

[@KB-vs6re]

So if you lost the extra pounds would you be fitter than Olly?

[@mankymofo]

15:13 D&B plus mtb'n! Hells yeah!

[@markwilson7013]

Great video and interesting stuff but Steve, you mentioned power to weight ratio but then only measured weight, not your individual power. You could do with measuring both of your max 20 or 10 sec power and FTP. I'm sure it would show Olly's power to weight was lower.

[@CPcyclist]

It is called power to weight ratio. Olly with the weight was at a disadvantage because his power was not taken into consideration to determine the weight needs to have the same ratio as Jones. Jones is 100kg an puts out 700W its 7W/kg while Olly starts at 75kg and 600W or 8W/kg. When the weight is just add to equalize with Jone at 100kg, Olly is reduced to 6W/kg. this gives the clear advantage to Jones on the climbs. Just look to the Tour riders sprinters have a higher peak watt output then climbers but the time gaps from the best climber the best sprinter can be massive on the hilltop finishes.

[@bugboy152000]

#EMBN this has me thinking that Ebikes are not to make the ride easier. You can certainly punch up climbs with the assist but seems there is no substitute for a good aerobic engine. But have you sparked (pun intended) a new training regimen? Could you increase your watts to the pedals by riding weighted?

[@JayGee6996]

Great sport Olly. My analysis is that the weight added to Olly basically reduced his p:w, if you add weight but no power then the overall output is going to be lower, plus his body was consuming power/energy carrying the weight all in one place instead of little bits all over his body

[@stevecolour8010]

My roughly 60 yo dad is fitter than me and im considered fit by most people i know, when it comes to mountainbiking. Im not speaking for myself as i am about twenty yo and therefore not concerned with aging but i guess most people neglect their bodies due to work being stressful or the I am to old for this mentality. So to the older people among us: Don't give up (on your fitness). If you think your best days are over just because you are 40+ you will most often be surprised what you can still do if you find the time to ride.

[@peteys_mtb]

to see if they level it out you should do the same races but olly on a normal mtb!

[@christopherrollins5450]

Wonderful video! The fun exuded by the two videographers/athletes was riveting. I would weigh in on your discussion of handicap that: the same weight would not have the same effect if loaded to the bike (ie panniers or even as a diving weigh lead shot) I proposes this because of the lung compression of the vest and the backpack straps. I will speculate there is an increase handicap to the lighter rider as well that gives him an excessive handicap because of the ratio of the penalty which disproportionately penalizes a lighter human frame (ie a 50kg ridder with 40kg added might never finish ) I certainly hope someone paid for that young man dinner after he was such a heroically good sport.

[@mortonfrankfire5400]

Olly is hilarious. Kudos for getting involved with the weight!

[@stevejones7956]

That bike of yours is heading soon!

[@mortonfrankfire5400]

Steve Jones cracking! I recently got a 360 camera. Check this out (my band supplies the music too). kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHmZmoGqrb5leMk

[@shannond9945]

Hey Ollie....in Australia, me and the boys call that 'I'm going to chuck' moment a BROSIE (Troy Brosnan) moment. Long story short...trying to catch Troy when training in Cairns for World DH Champs 2017..... got the autograph...but was chucking in the bushes after busting a$$ to catch the lad! Now we have 'BROSIE' moments! 👍

[@fromxctoletssee]

doesnt work like that. he might be heavier now BUT his muscles are only use to pushing 77KG. Steve being his weight is used to that weight. If u made steve suddenly 77KG he will fly cause his legs are only use to push 97KG

[@mainzman7239]

Yeah, Olly's comment about functional weight is spot on. That vest and backpack are pure dead weight for him. And don't forget it's over 25% of his body weight that was suddenly added to him. Still a great challenge though, who would have thought I'd get into the EMBN channel? Given that I turned 50 in January perhaps I should start watching more? Nah, don't think so :)

[@fromxctoletssee]

Mainz Man and he is not conditioned to that amount of weight no wonder he wanted to puke. Lungs heart and legs could only push 77kg

[@fromxctoletssee]

how long where u at 82kg compared to being 95kg. again its all about conditioning. thats lungs heart and muscle. if you were 82kg most of your life then i will make sense that u do better because you been at that weight for longer. but now you are 95kg and only a short while compared to being 85kg. but again the science doesnt always apply to everyone.

[@fromxctoletssee]

Ah i see ok. u see being heavy your lungs heart and muscles are conditioned for that weight. by losing that weight you didnt lose that conditioning. thats why being lighter and your body being use to carry the heavy weight helps you now in your cycling. Its like a weightlifter lifting 100kg all the time and now get told to lift 50kg. he will feel like there is nothing to it. the best thing i have done was to lose weight. i feel better for it. try get back there you wont regret it.

[@modarm]

I'M 53 and weigh 78kg your definition on 50 year olds is a joke, not all of us are fat arse beer drinkers who need or want ebikes to get around the hills or roads. I agree ebikes can be a real benift but just using an arbitrary age is frankly miopic.

[@knobblytyres]

To see if emtbs are a good leveller Olly and Steve should ride together with Olly on a carbon ‘analogue’ bike and Steve on a reasonably priced emtb only in eco mode!

[@ribinrobin8925]

That fella who had to walk in the shot when they where weighing in 😂

[@aloharay]

First, thank you for the entertaining and well presented video! One thing to consider is that you are comparing two fit individuals who already mountain bike. Consider though if the older person has not maintained the same level of fitness from his youth. If a younger guy is able to maintain his fitness level as he got older, a percentage of the additional weight certainly would be "functional" as he put it, but not all of it. Depending on his fitness level at age 50, he likely could see only 50% of that weight actually be in muscle mass. For someone who is NOT BIKING AT ALL at age 50 that percentage contributing to being able to push the bike is likely far less. Distribution of the "dead weight" also has a factor on its effect on the rider. I think the true "power" of an ebike is not measured in watt hours. An ebike may motivate someone who is not biking at all or who is otherwise less active in their older years to pick up the sport, raising his level of activity dramatically when compared to near zero if he was not active before.

[@johnshaw8013]

When will the manufacturers suss out that regeneration breaking is a thing! For long down hills where speed needs to be controlled link regeneration to break lever initial pull! Then batteries will last longer.

[@MaQuGo119]

Why theres a stone on that table?

[@jduffey3330]

You said it yourself. Power to weight ratio. Your extra 20 kilos are affording you more useful power. He was exactly right that adding that was only dead weight. There’s going to be no way to do that predictably.

[@gerrysanders7296]

Well done Steve 1 for the 50 plus club :) You had him fair and square LOL

[@Aljonone1]

Sorry Steve but I am over 50 & yes I use an e bike, but still weight the same weight as I did when I was 20, but glad to see Olly doing OK after doing a Claudio at Fort William world cup

[@CrotZari]

This one had me thinking. Olly was probably dead on with his thought on the extra dead mass. Not only is his body muscled for 77 kg but so is his entire frame. I actually think a fall or a a bad jump with that extra weight might put too much stress on joints for example. Olly probably isn´t used to the Kenevo otherwise I feel it would be a more level playingfield with the same bikemodels. The Shimano Steps is a slightly more compact motor if I remember you earlier videos about motors. Would the Shimanos 70 Nm torque leave a weaker assistance uphill than the Kenevos 90 Nm of torque? I don´t know but I´m curious about it. Those are things I was considering before buying my own e-bike. Anyway, yet another entertaining video, Great job!

[@embn]

It's probably why he didn't wear it when doing downhill. Not sure if the torque rating would make as much of a difference as the power delivery. But spot on about the dead mass.

[@anthonylewis4473]

Climbing Briget Jones 🤔 savage 👏

[@karlish8799]

Reckon that vest would restrict your breathing a fair bit. Probly played a bit of a role in the result.

[@joshtarnow492]

I agree with Nigel..it was all in good fun though.