Emergency Pod! Jake Walman dealt to San Jose & Pavel Datsyuk elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame

WTF IS HAPPENING. The Red Wings made to two seperate trades today, moving out Jake Walman, Andrew Gibson and a 2nd round pick for Jeese Kiiskinen. Why? We are so confused. Another move has to be coming. Pavel Datsyuk has been elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in his 1st eligible year, but Henrik Zetterberg has not. #lgrw
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[@andyq524]

By the way, thanks to both of you for hopping on and giving us this bonus episode.

[@user-pd5qz2vt2c]

If SY doesn't pull a fast one by Friday, then Walman is gone because something happened, something we may never know about. Will miss Jake.

[@goodfella8143]

Maybe that's why he was bussing out the Griddy

[@beersgears1268]

Have been saying this in other posts and have been called an idiot in several cases. I know he was fighting an injury in late March that could have easily carried into the end of the season, but there was something weird about how the media was covering his absence from the lineup those last couple of weeks. Hearing rumors of an issue with a video game addiction, but I’m not putting too much weight into that one. We’ll see what happens.

[@user-pd5qz2vt2c]

@beersgears1268 Yes, it did seem odd at the time. Thought he had recovered from his injury, yet they did not put him back in. Sure felt like a fall from grace.

[@beerdo]

​@@beersgears1268"video game addiction" no the Laine 2.0 😂

[@lackofawill]

Are you guys saying his career is done because of a injury? Or are you guys saying that he might have some sort of drug problem like goofball vrana (who could have been a goal scoring machine if he kept cocaine out of his nose )

[@psychodadjesse]

I’m pissed why would we trade Walman of all people, thought it was gonna be Holl

[@goathair33]

That would require a team that wanted Holl

[@JayDeeter11]

They’d have to offer up Raymond as part of a package to dump Holl lol

[@lance2465]

Holl has a No movement clause, so he would have to Ok the trade for it to go through.

[@jackconrad2667]

Holl has to be bought out. There really isn’t a way around it. As for Walman I’m surprised. I understand that Johansson is probably starting with the team along side edvisson. I know Detroit wants cap space. My biggest issue is the 2nd round pick. Why. Essentially San Jose is getting Walman for free. His contract is really nice for the player he is. And going on a team where he probably is top 4. Can someone explain the 2nd round pick. I mean they probably could have called Chicago and been like. U want him. They would be like. Sure.

[@jackconrad2667]

3 mil for like 2 years as a top 4 def for lower ranked teams. And probably a 3rd pairing on a better team. For 3 mil that’s acceptable.

[@andyq524]

Lol Being a Wings fan living in the St. Louis area, I'm still bitter about Barrett Jackman winning the Calder over Zetterberg.

[@nicksmith8141]

If this were to trade the Holl contract it would have made complete sense. I find it hard to believe Yzerman couldn't get anything for Walman unless there was some sort of issue behind the scenes.

[@dcl97]

He had some character issues. Was reprimanded a few times last season for partying the night before games and that sort of stuff. Wasn't listening to coaching staff either. Seems a bit extreme to dump him for that, but Stevie also doesn't tolerate that shit. Might be something more there that I don't know about it. Other teams also apparently avoided him like the plague, so there is likely something else going on.

[@MyHandleShouldBeLessCharacters]

Agree

[@redwoods3020]

@@dcl97source

[@benwilson6559]

@@dcl97Thanks for that, I’m a Sharks fan and kinda figured SOMETHING is going on behind the scenes that few know about. Just curious, do you have any sources or references to check out regarding that? I’ll google it again, I spent a little time looking but couldn’t find anything

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@benwilson6559 He was injured and benched last season allegedly. He came back still injured.

[@rileystiglich3569]

I feel like this trade is a place holder, deposit, for moving up on draft night... there has to be more than nothing here

[@BurtTurbo]

I've always defended Yzerman, giving him the benefit of the doubt and trusting his vision. But, even if he wanted to get Walman's contract off the books, how could he not have acquired a draft pick for him instead of getting rid of one? I'm still holding out hope there's something about the "future considerations" that may help redeem this move. If not, then I can't defend Yzerman, my hockey hero, and this was an idiotic move.

[@cdobson3141]

there is something else in play here like control of San Jose's 2nd pick in the 1st round

[@andyq524]

The only thing I can figure about ditching Walman is that he wants the left side to be Chiarot, Edvinsson, and Johansson.

[@TheVlad1616]

Even if that is the case, we had to give up a 2, to move him? There has to be something majorly wrong with Walman that isn’t public that he has zero value to the other 30 teams.

[@wlnlax14]

​@@TheVlad1616 I agree it seems so

[@TheVlad1616]

@@wlnlax14 I imagine it’ll come out sooner or later. Similar to Vrana, though I think that was more obvious ahead of time.

[@pnantais1111]

Why not just try putting Walman on waivers first and save the 2nd rd pick or hold on to Gibson? Not one Wings fan I know can understand this. I have a headache and this just doesn't make sense no matter what happens. You use a 2nd round pick to sweeten someone taking Charot or Hall. No need to sweeten when trading a good player with a decent contract. If nothing else happens, a major D for this trade.

[@captbloodbeard]

That's the biggest head scratcher. I'm not a guy that beats up on Chiarot, I see his usefulness. His contract sucks, though. He's not a 2nd pair D man on a decent team, and definitely not a top pairing guy. Walman might not be a 2nd pairing D man on a contender, but for half the league he definitely is, and his contract is at least even value for the player he is. There should never be a need for a sweetener. I suppose he has a 10 team no-trade list, and it is possible that only those 10 teams were willing to take him, but then you have waivers if you have to get rid of him. No way in hell does he clear waivers.

[@TAVMANIAN]

​@@captbloodbeardexactly right. Even if for some reason can't get a late pick for him. Waive first and keep Gibson.

[@patrousseau1828]

zooming out this looks like a to be continued with another move coming via trade? LGRW!

[@aepochbrett]

Also on the Zetterberg note, when Inwas watching the 2008 Stanley Cup finals and watched the "Con Smythe Shift" on TV live and thought that night that he was an obvious hall of famer. Him and Datsyuk are both super deserving. They were incredible

[@Muz__27]

I think that they usually look at over 1000 points as a benchmark to get in but Zetterberg ended with 960 and could’ve easily been up around 1100 if back issues didn’t have him retire early. Datsyuk absolutely deserves to get in and he has 918 points and also would’ve had more if he didn’t go back home to Russia. They were such a strong duo and letting one get in the HOF and not the other doesn’t make any sense to me.

[@stenco-eh1hd]

​@@Muz__27Datsyuk had 955 I think I saw but that's not why Zetterberg didn't get in. It's the lack of personal accolades. Zetterberg has only 1 personal accolades.....I believe a conn Smythe? Where as Datsyuk has 7 personal accolades

[@stenco-eh1hd]

​@@Muz__27let's say there's 100 guys who've won a cup ....with around 1000 points.....but some of them won the hart 5 times. Who do you think is gonna get in first? Them or Zetterberg? Btw I'm just using hypothetical numbers obviously just to make a point

[@Muz__27]

@@stenco-eh1hd good point but Zetterberg has a Conn Smythe at least and 960 points in 1082 games. Difference of 122 games without. For random comparison Joe Pavelski had 1068 points in 1332 games. Difference of 264 games. Point is by comparison which stat is more impressive, getting over 1000 or being closer between GP and points total?

[@stenco-eh1hd]

@@Muz__27 yeah they said Pavelski more than likely will NOT end up in the HOF though

[@andyq524]

You'd think the Wings could've at least gotten San Jose to swap picks 14 and 15.

[@captbloodbeard]

Maybe that's what the "future consideration" is? Depending on how the draft goes, they'll let Detroit draft at 14. Or maybe it is an assurance that SJ will not pick a guy at 14 if he's available?

[@TheLilLeeroy]

Could be a handshake deal for the Sharks not to draft the player they like.

[@cdobson3141]

@@TheLilLeeroy yes correct. Or control of the pick.

[@TimmyGotTriggered88]

@@captbloodbeardnow this is a realistic take. My other thought is maybe there’s a 3 way deal going on and SJ is going to help by eating cap from another team or something.

[@justinshields3819]

I was waiting for a 2nd trade in regards to Jake Walman, similar to the Anthony Mantha trade when a 2nd trade occurred Brian Lashoff was traded to Washington for a 1st round draft pick. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop like San Jose's 14th overall draft pick

[@DarrenHowseMusic]

Maybe the future consideration is that SJ takes Holl off waivers for us. Honestly, then the value of the trade makes sense. I think it's too early to judge this at the moment. There's something cooking.

[@andyq524]

Thought for sure they didn't induct Zetterberg last year so he could go in this year with Datsyuk. 😢

[@derick-smith]

I still have faith in Yzerman. That said, I think less of him today than I ever have and I feel kind of dirty about it. He must have just hated the gritty...

[@richierich398]

Why Stevie, why????????

[@schmuckmire]

I wonder if San Jose agreed not to present offer sheets to Seider and Raymond is “ future considerations” ???

[@SaltyLegion]

this is just the beginning of a blockbuster trade deal for the 1st overall pick🙄

[@csg0218]

Do not apologize for talking in circles because that is literally all I've been doing out loud since this news had come out. It really is just so hard to wrap my head around.

[@scottmclaughlin3083]

What are future considerations? We dont know those details

[@MT-YouTubes]

My thoughts on the matter. Really weird trade but it comes with a caveat. We Sign patty Kane prior to July 1st. The condition from SJ is if Stevie's guys there at 14 and he picks up his phone SJ swaps with us 14-15. Steep price for some flex on the blue line to accommodate Johansson and Simon, but if we get Kaner and Stevie gets his pick with some bonus insurance I'm all for it. LGRW

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

There was a reason Walman wasn't playing enough down the stretch. Yzerman liked Walman, something went wrong with that love affair or Stevie has a cunning plan that we don't know about yet. Relax boys! There has to more to this story. Something is coming!

[@bozidarborojevic4131]

My favorite athlete (and im Croatian we have many sports greats)gets in Hall of fame.He was truly something special,to do what he did on ice is something incredible

[@achildr1]

I think it’s obvious Yzerman values Edvinsson and Johansson more than Walman and made room for them to play…but I know there’s more going on here and we’ll have to wait it out to see what’ll happen.

[@The40yearoldVegan]

I suspect Walman is dealing with a long term injury and the deal was to give SJ a pick for a cash dump.

[@redbeard6403]

I think there something going with Walman where he had to be moved. I don't think it;'s a long term injury cause we could just put him on IR. I think it might be similar to the situation we had Vrana.

[@g0ec]

@@redbeard6403 wally was not on any drugs man cmon

[@davidfigurski636]

That has to be it. I'm surprised these guys aren't thinking of that.

[@redbeard6403]

@@g0ec Maybe not drugs, maybe undisclosed family issues, or something else in his family life.

[@jeffreyparker2783]

I too was expecting Holl and Petry to go before Walman. I did hear that Walman might have been in the dog house for the last couple of months of the year.

[@andyq524]

Something better be coming because we basically got rid of Gibson and Walman for a third round prospect.

[@casewojo6186]

Does anyone think Yzerman would do this trade if it was only for a third round prospect lol? Cmon now…. I’m not huge on Yzerman like most ppl but he’s not stupid.

[@Emmadril]

Could there have been issues with him personally between players? Someone who played with him pre-nhl said he was not the easiest person to like (what they said was much worse than that!) so maybe just off-ice issues? But even so, why is he worth nothing to another team??

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

One thing you can maybe take from this is that Steve might also be trying to send a message to Edvinsson and Johansson with this move that roster spots are open, and he’s depending on them to really make a push for a regular spot with the big club this training camp and preseason. Mainly for Albert, kinda feels like this year might be their last hope for him to be a regular NHLer. At least with our organization. I could be wrong about all of this, though lol

[@wingshockeyfan]

Most of us were really angry about paying to get rid of Vrana, he ended up spending most of the year in the AHL? It still seems strange they had to pay to unload him, why not first put him on waivers? There must be something more to the story.

[@uncledave6804]

Hoping the Walman trade gets us something, eventually. Great that Datsyuk was put into the HOF, of course not only Zetterberg snubbed, but once again Chris Osgood as well.

[@caseyczarnomski8054]

My guess is we wanted to have pick options and dump cap space. Yzerman figures we have enough D men

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

He also really wants Edvinsson and Albert Johansson to prove they can stay in Detroit for good.

[@mikevallier5723]

If there is anything we've learned over recent history, and extended if you've paid attention; Yzerman is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. I have faith in "The Man with the Plan," and am looking forward to what comes next.

[@thewizardofoz511]

All i know is Stevie has a plan, HOWEVER he better be working on something good because Red Wings fans are getting antsy with these moves and the time is NOOWWW to push forward!.. we've been sooo damn patient..

[@jjgaming6204]

Fact of the matter is there is not a single team we would take down in a 7 game series in the first round next year, would you rather have 5 years of mediocre playoff success or 25 years of playoffs.

[@thewizardofoz511]

@@jjgaming6204 well of course the latter but " pushing forward" is making moves to to push the team to the next level.. two things can be true..

[@josephgonsalves8579]

If the Sharks wanted to trade down maybe the Red Wings wanted to make sure nobody jumped in front of them for their player. And the trade isn't finalized until the Sharks see if someone drops unexpectedly.

[@andyq524]

Oh sweet. Looking forward to the post-1st round episode.

[@lackofawill]

Am I the only one who thinks the following: San Jose has the first overall draft pick and the 14th overall draft pick. Detroit has a 15th draft pick. Hence, featuring considerations could very possibly mean we either trade up or more likely we just get their 14th overall draft pick in return for what we gave them (walman may have had a bad defensive year and some injuries, but he is an amazing player and he scored some amazingly clutch goals.. ghost part 2.. so is definitely worth a lot just like hronek was too). I haven't read all of the comments here, but it doesn't seem like anyone has mentioned this. Wouldn't future considerations possibly mean that the NHL OK-ed this draft substitute/trade.. since it's just three days beforehand, it's signed and sealed..? I want to be surprised if Detroit got that 14th overall draft pick from San jose... And they're just waiting to announce it at the beginning of the draft day presentation, so that the GMS don't have too much insight/it doesn't affect other teams' thinking on who to pick, etc

[@jackconrad2667]

Maybe the question we need to ask is why does Detroit need the 3 mil. There was already enough cap space for Seider and Raymond. Plus about 10 mil more afterwards. As for the left hand def I’m pretty sure Johansson is being brought up. Obviously all of us feel way more confident with walman considering this last year. Giving up a second round pick to have a team just take him is super weird tho. I bet ten teams would have taken him and his contract. That second round pick is going to mean something. Freeing up that cap space tho also has to mean something.

[@sandy13wings]

Brianas afinlander fromthe up, you actually say the name pretty good!

[@lenaforsgren]

I’m confused about future considerations, couldn’t that mean that we DO get something more from SJ? And we can’t assess this trade until we know that?

[@kodapumpkin6615]

New subscriber here, been a wings fan since i can remember. I’m currently 24 years old & have no recollection of the wings winning a cup. LGRW!!

[@ericw3229]

Remember last season? All the talk and questions on why Edvinsson was blocked. Walman is one of the reasons. He is a 2nd pair talent and team don' t win championships with a bunch of 2nd pair D men. They need cap space and trading him.provides it. Going forward does having Edvinsson and maybe Johansson in the lineup make more sense? Not to mention extra cap space?

[@miketylenda8880]

Yzerman has had 5 drafts with the Detroit Red Wings. In total he has drafted 10 players in the second round. Take a guess how many of those players have played a single second in the NHL. None. And 6 of those came in his first two drafts. My point is that a second round draft choice is not as coveted as one might think. Making space for younger players to me is well worth a second round pick.

[@Jim-yh5uj]

Obviously something is wrong with Walman that we don't know about.

[@undraftedhockeyfan]

Just to clarify, Wellman does have two years left on his contract😅

[@captbloodbeard]

Just to clarify, his name is Walman, not Wellman. 😉

[@LockedOnRedWings]

When I said “He” i was referring to Maatta. He only had one year left. I need to stop saying “he” when referring to multiple people

[@undraftedhockeyfan]

@@captbloodbeard damn autocorrect lol

[@undraftedhockeyfan]

@@LockedOnRedWings no worries! Keep up the good work!!

[@captbloodbeard]

@@undraftedhockeyfan lol, it wasn't just you that was confused by their phrasing, I thought they were taking about Walman too.

[@wlnlax14]

I wonder what any other future considerations deals look likr recently. That nay give a sense of understanding to what may cause the NHL to grant permission for the deal.

[@chrisbohinski3364]

Maybe this explains why he was not playing at the end of season. Did he ask to be traded??? Crazy situation either way. This one really shocked me.

[@joewallingboynebowhunter9982]

Future considerations = San Jose eating some TBD cap for a future pickup? Also, with $29mil free cap space, $14-16mil slated for Seider and Raymond only leaves $13-15mil to fill your remaining 8 roster spots (ave of $1.5-2mil per). Not enough left to sign a big name player. Like it or not Cap space is a problem for the Red Wings at this point. They are defense heavy considering both Johansson and Edvinsson need to be on the roster. Walman may have been the only moveable defenseman to clear some cap space. The future considerations could actually be huge as San Jose has ample camp space.

[@mattmisiak815]

I don’t understand the worry here. Jake Walman although going against tougher competition. Was still -2 and only had 21 points which was second lowest. Matta had 3 less points and was +14. Not to mention nobody knows how he is in the locker room which is more important than a griddy. Also Benny had 20 points only one less and was only -4 going against tough opponents as well and defensively had a great year. I wish everyone would stop dogging Stevie he’s not building a tomorrow playoff team. He’s building a team that will be good for years to come and be a contender with a solid locker room

[@DONWASABIJUAN]

We’ll all be on pins and needles until we see what yzerman’s vision is. I do think we have arrived at is the yzerplan working conversation. Yes, I understand that last sentence is hyperbolic, but I think we need to be at a point where yzerman is not viewed as flawless. I don’t see this move being made if Holl, Petry and Copp deals were not done

[@lance2465]

He has been the GM for 5 years. We should be able to see his vision taking place. He will probably be gone by year 10 if they don’t make the playoffs. His big free agent signings have backfired bring in Copp, Compher, and Holl. He really hit lighting in a bottle in Tampa. Looks like he does not have that perfect touch in Detroit.

[@TheVlad1616]

I lost a lot of faith in Walman but it’s shocking that he has zero value to any team in the NHL. Negative value actually that you had to give a 2nd rounder to get someone to take him.

[@seguinryan]

I think it's very likely that Yzerman is targeting a high value player via trade. Maybe the SJ "future considerations" is them retaining salary on said player?

[@joshuamorrison2979]

Fyi the sharks don't have any retained salary slots left until after the 24-25 season.

[@seguinryan]

@@joshuamorrison2979 welllllll, fuck me. :(

[@LKzombi3]

The only reason I can think of that Stevie Y would make that Walman trade is because he’s going all in on Guentzel and might have to have a bidding war with the LA Kings. Since dealing PLD to the Caps, the Kings have an additional 3 million in cap space, which sounds like a really close number to Jake Walkman’s salary

[@josephgonsalves8579]

It was either a cash dump or there could be a exchange of pick 15 and pick 14 between the two teams

[@goodfella8143]

Is there a chance that the " future considerations " ends up being a 1st round pick?

[@lance2465]

I would say that is very low like 1% chance. I think Yzerman gave up Walman and a 2nd round pick for nothing.

[@stevensimpson8231]

Its not like walmas 21 points in 63 games is irreplaceable

[@brrownyy53]

The only explanation I have is that something happened behind closed doors or his injury is too serious for Detroit to go into the season with him. Or Cap Space.. would have taken the Sharks' draft pick 🤓

[@jimrichardson3941]

What if the future consideration is not to trade to anyone the 14 pick?

[@faunbudweis]

I thought Walman had a decent chemistry with Seider, was a fan favourite with that griddy of his. Sure there are some holes in his game, but to trade him for nothing, plus a pick? If they are trying to make a spot for Edvinsson then it should have been Holl. Unless something else materializes this is a weird move.

[@rocknroll368]

Ollie Matta is an older player.

[@LockedOnRedWings]

He’s 29. Walman is 28.

[@robertcentofanti7414]

I've got faith in Yzerman. Walman wasn't a be all end all defenseman, obviously we had other D-men that he could've gotten rid of instead of Walman. Steve's not dumb though everyone's freaking out over this yeah should he have kept that 2nd rounder of course but knowing Yzerman i would bet the house there's a purpose to this trade. Y'all need to take a breath 😂

[@jeffreywetzel6475]

Only way this makes sense is if Jake’s injury is worse than they have let on, and the 2nd is for the Sharks to take on a bad contract

[@Mrwingsfan40]

calm down, let Stevie cook, you know he's got something sweet in the works.

[@aepochbrett]

How can we use "future considerations"? They just offer a player they eventually want to dump their contract on us? I read up on it but dont fully understand. Can you guys elaborate in a future video? Thanks

[@austinshell3554]

I think dumping walman makes sense when you’re trying to resign Ghost, and extend Raymond and Seider. But the 2nd round pick doesn’t make sense to me

[@cdobson3141]

no way is this team resigning Ghost

[@professorex.19]

Feels like future considerations might be a pick swap.

[@TimmyGotTriggered88]

Ghost needs to go

[@jimflood1590]

I liked Walman--good character guy that complimented Seider very well. I think we'll all have this make sense in a few weeks. Part of this was to make room for Johannsen or to shed contract because something big is coming.

[@TimmyGotTriggered88]

Horrible net front presence. But he was a better option than others on the BL.

[@mhc6919]

Look for a trade with Toronto or Carolina. Possible contract re-negotiation with Marner is only hang up. Detroit has offered Detroit’s 2024 second round pick, 2025 first round pick (protected), Jonatan Berggren, and rights to Joe Veleno. Toronto gets two immediate NHL ready players along with draft capital. Toronto also saves 8 million from cap to make another move. Toronto could also be getting a huge discount in trade depending on Bergrren’s growth. He is already an impact player for 3rd or 4th line. But Bergrren is actually a better player with more speed which fits Toronto’s top line. He has potential star qualities. On the other hand, Carolina has been trying to get Guentzel deal completed. If Guentzel deal gets completed in Carolina’s favor They trade Necas to Detroit for Bergrren and 2024 2nd round pick. Detroit is also very serious about Guentzel deal. Term and amount obvious concerns and that’s why Detroit has option A, B, and C already in place. That’s also why Additional cap space needed immediately. San Jose was in talks with other teams to pick up bad salaries and Detroit didn’t want to miss the bus. Otherwise they would’ve waited until next Monday before moving “The Griddy.” In addition, as a motivating contributor for Marner/ Neccas / Guentzel deal Detroit now also has contract structures in place for Seider and Raymond. Imagine Detroit signs Guentzel, keeps draft capital and Bergrren. Seider, Raymond, Larkin, DeBrincat, Rasmussen, Guentzel, and Bergrren. That lineup immediately makes Detroit a potential playoff team. The final trade for Detroit will be Ville Husso or Alex Lyon to free up cap space for Gibson. Detroit would prefer trading Husso but Lyon has more draw. Now look at star lineup: Seider, Raymond, Larkin, DeBrincat, Rasmussen, Guentzel, Bergrren, and Gibson. Finally, Detroit will place Holl on waivers and receive no takers. Detroit will then save $2 million per season buying out the contract. Detroit will work on Ghost or trade with Tampa for Cernak. And two more big veteran forward grinders on short term deals will be necessary. Additional Note: this NHL offseason will witness some of the biggest star player movements since beginning of salary cap era. Rumors and whispers have been too intense. Expect numerous trades and signings before the offseason ends. Teams will be very busy for next two weeks. Jockeying for position has already begun with Detroit breaking the ice. They know what’s about to go down. Too many great players being offered for them not to walk away winners. They’ve waited since beginning of Yzerman era for this moment, it’s here. I think the biggest question mark for NHL teams will be Winnipeg. If they’re serious about trading a star then all hell is about to break loose. What will be interesting is contract signings and tenure. Colorado signing Middlestadt for almost 6 million for three years? Really? I’d rather have Guentzel at $8 million. Not even close. Something has to give here too. Trades for existing contracts beginning to make more sense than free agent long term deals.

[@fredirecko]

We know Yzerman is very intelligent. So if the trade doesn't make sense on the surface than that would indicate that there is DEFINITELY information we do not know about that if we did know it would all make sense. Therefore, there's nothing to worry about. We just don't know the part that would make this make sense.

[@jackconrad2667]

Also even if this ends up being a terrible move. It’s not like I’ll give up hope on the yzerplan. There could also be things behind closed doors we don’t no about.

[@user-wy9cg4wt7k]

Can "future considerations" be San Jose's first round draft pick this year or in the next few years? Doesn't seem like it from what I'm hearing from folks like Locked On, etc.

[@yzerab19]

Still dont get why Seider and Raymond need to get 8 M contracts.. they are good but i mean for 2 more million you can get a Mckinnon or someone similar..

[@dennybarlau8065]

I think there's a very good chance That Gus bus is going to be traded to Detroit, I'm going to miss him Denny from Minnesota

[@Nichaelas]

I would still watch hockey, but the league would forever be a joke to me if Datsyuk wasn't a first ballot hall of famer. You can clearly see his influence on the league today. Many of the great players we have now have cited him as a player they watched closely.

[@wingsdiehard4135]

Is San Jose working on a deal that will come to Detroit in that trade

[@dansgaminglab4482]

Heavily doubt it

[@yzerab19]

Makes sense actually. SJ retains salary of a star player..future considerations meaning can't be said til the player is traded for and signed.

[@nicholasicon]

Too early to comment. Wait til the window closes and itll be clearer

[@cdobson3141]

what if this trade includes a trade swap for San Jose's 2nd pick in the first round or control of that pick for Detroit's 1st rounder? There is no way Yzerman gave up Jake Walman and his decent contract and had to give away a 2nd round pick to do it. Walman alone is a tradable asset. There has to be something else in play here.

[@tedmarling6]

Not defending it but Wlamn was healthy scratched at the end of the season several times so something was off. Giving up a second and Walman for nothing is very questionable. I'll wait to see what the additional space brings before roasting Yzerman.

[@hckytwn3192]

I bet SJ and Nashville are working on a trade and this helps balance it out. (Yzerman clearly “won” the Nashville trade, but clearly “lost” the SJ trade? 🤔) I also wouldn’t be surprised if Yzerman is going after a D-maybe Trouba? 😂-and this is opens the door for that.

[@jeffwalker5514]

Or Walmans Fortnite addiction catching up to him

[@christopherewing1981]

Do you really believe Yzerman didn’t let the nhl know he was available and passed on whatever you value him at to give up a second. It’s not reactionary. The nhl doesn’t value him like wings fans do. If Yzerman could have gotten a pick for him he would have.

[@mattl2642]

Could've put him on waivers and let 31 teams decide if they wanted him for free. This is textbook poor asset management.

[@ericfudurich7944]

If Nashville wants a dman, then he'll likely be very good. That team knows dman.

[@puckhndler]

Another Deadwings season for 2024-2025. Walman was a crowd favorite and he played some pretty damn good D. Edvinson is looking good, but he's not a veteran and lacks experience. Kane is looking at Buffalo and Stamkos is not coming. Good veteran players are gonna look at the Wings and say, "Nah, Im looking for a team that has a shot..." YEAR 9 OF REBUILD.

[@ChordMelodyUke]

If Yzerman gets the 14th pick, he has a better chance to get his guy before the team with the 15th pick gets a chance to draft that guy. ... ... oh, wait, just a minute ...🤪

[@Alaskaguys]

Making room for Mo, Kane, and Ramon

[@OFDProductions]

I honestly have no idea wtf Yzerman is thinking, I don’t like any of the moves he’s made so far this offseason. Unless a big trade is made soon that is.

[@TitleistGuy]

Mitchell marner ... do it!

[@casewojo6186]

Why? So we can make playoffs and he can NOT produce. I want nothing to do with Marner. There’s a reason why Toronto wants him gone.

[@joechriste7052]

​@@casewojo6186dude is 100 pt player and still a point per game player in the playoffs in his career. They want him gone because he's the only one who they can trade between him and Tavares. I would gladly take Marner and turn Larkin and Raymond both into 40 goal guys.

[@thewizardofoz511]

So we have nothing to worry about as Red Wings by these moves then?🤔

[@doozey365]

This deal makes no sense. It was obvious that they needed to get rid of one of their D for their roster, with 8 active on the roster including Edvinson. Just not sure why they would be getting rid of one of their top 4 d to do it. If its to add another d, they will still have to move another and this move made their defense worse. I would put Jake at least one of their top 3 defenseman, with Seider and Edvinson. Maybe he just wasnt physical enough or their were other issues we dont know about. I agree with Brian, though. Wallman shouldnt be a guy u have to pay an asset to get rid of.

[@BranNew1]

Put Copp on waivers please. 👍

[@DarrellDJP84]

lol he’s bit over payed but don’t think it will happen lol but something is or someone is getting paid lol

[@dcl97]

Coaches love him, so not going to happen.

[@DarrellDJP84]

@@dcl97 lol part of reason I lol yeah he coach loves him I hope this wallman move does something good I thought wallman maybe moved as a trade or such so we’ll see now

[@gregorybaggio]

Getting ready to sign Matt Roy

[@yzerab19]

Who

[@Bulltrapaskslap]

Future consideration better be holding kanes contract raise for a while 😂

[@ace_fishing1660]

Imagine if Kanes camp told Steve: "you sign Guentzal, and I will resign for 2x3 AAV."

[@thewizardofoz511]

🤔

[@TitleistGuy]

Emergency podcast does that mean we ANOTHER tonight at midnight? Bc I can't smoke without watching it.

[@andyq524]

Do we still owe Edmonton future considerations for Kostin and Yamamoto?

[@mattl2642]

No. But we're still paying Yamamoto 500k for another year 😂

[@larsintension7198]

Maybe Yzerman doesn't like Walman and his Gritty.

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

Gibson sucks so I think that first trade was good getting a second round pick for him. I thought they were going to move a couple draft picks to move two left shot defenseman but I thought Walman had some value but obviously not. He got benched at the end of the season coming off his injury. He's good offensively but is a defensive liability. So I think they probably move Maatta next and probably buyout Holl and Copp

[@jeffwalker5514]

What if Seiders camp wouldn’t do a bridge deal and that forces Yzerman to put up $3-4m more than he could realistically do right now so he had to dump Walman. And he chose Walman, Seiders best bud, to send a message to his agent

[@joechriste7052]

They now have like 32m in cap space so...

[@timdawkins1006]

Grinder vs magician

[@TitleistGuy]

I think this was now to make roster room and cap space for Ghostbear. So any raise Ghost gets becomes zero sum with this contract dump.