The Differences Between Virtua Fighter & Tekken | VF5REVO

[@EmeryReigns]

More info forgotten since this was an on the spot video but this game also has a block button like MK and DOA. This game has reversals but only specific characters just like in Tekken. Also, keep in mind you can strike punish in this game (Most jabs are 11, 12 and 13 frames I believe. You can also use throws (which can be always be broken but you get a guaranteed throw attempt when your opponent is -10 and up.) There's NO KBD in this game but there's this little "backdash evade" type movement and you can always hit db, db, db to move quicker as well. Just keep in mind, backdashing in vf right now is DANGEROUS because of the change to side kicks catching backdash. "spacing" isn't really the same in this game either since most players and characters are rush down type characters. You won't see much of someone controlling space in this type of game. 0 to -3 = standing fuzzy guard is possible against all throws assuming no delay on either the thrower or defender -4 to -5 = only crouching dash fuzzy guard will go under the throw. if you try to crouch normally at -5, a throw will still catch you because you don't have enough frames to crouch in time. -6 to -9 = hard "Nitaku" situation, aka 2 choice options and you have to hard commit to one or the other. You can't crouch dash to option select the throw and mid attack. you have to either guard standing the mid or attack from disadvantage to beat the opponent's throw. one exception of the rule is wolf in 2.0. Apparently some of his throws comes out 9 frames

[@Counselor-yj8hk]

unless they changed something in the 2.0 patch, fuzzy guarding should work something like this: 0 to -3 = standing fuzzy guard is possible against all throws assuming no delay on either the thrower or defender -4 to -5 = only crouching dash fuzzy guard will go under the throw. if you try to crouch normally at -5, a throw will still catch you because you don't have enough frames to crouch in time. -6 to -9 = hard "Nitaku" situation, aka 2 choice options and you have to hard commit to one or the other. You can't crouch dash to option select the throw and mid attack. you have to either guard standing the mid or attack from disadvantage to beat the opponent's throw. one exception of the rule is wolf in 2.0. Apparently some of his throws comes out 9 frames instead of 10 frames but I didnt get to test after VF5 REVO beta ended.

[@EmeryReigns]

@@Counselor-yj8hkthank you for writing this

[@EmeryReigns]

@@Counselor-yj8hkand the wolf thing is correct I think flash said something about that

[@GuntanksInSpace]

All well-explained!

[@ramijackson3978]

Tekken = SF, VF = KOF. Tekken and SF, are more defensive character focused games where learning matchups is key. KOF and VF are faster, system based games where learning the system mechanics is the most important thing.

[@Blasarius0]

Well, i would say that sf and tekken are offensive games now, and force you to engage with their aggressive systems ( drive rush and heat )

[@ultrainstinct4766]

SF is not defensive anymore😂 trust me.

[@heartyman14]

Tekken 8? Defensive?? That's funny. Stagger escape alone makes this game more defensive than tekken is atm

[@Underground3]

WERE defensive character focused games. Now they have comeback mechanics that thrown that shit out the window.

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

@Blasarius0drive can also be use defensively, as with the parry

[@dmcfail987]

Virtua fighter is QUICK AF

[@LesserCheshire]

VF is more complicated than Tekken I feel, but simultaneously easier than Tekken. Tekken has an astronomical amount of knowledge checks that has taken me hundreds to thousands of hours to learn to finally be able to play the game, but VF I feel I'm learning how the game works before I learn the character matchups. I'm doing all the things I wanted to do in Tekken day 1, but couldn't do, due to not knowing every little detail of every character. This game feels so much more skill based opposed to being knowledge based like Tekken. I feel like I wasted so much time learning Tekken only for T8 to be the shitshow it is and make all the high skill aspects of T7, less valuable. I get the devs wanting to make T8 more exciting and aggressive, but they accomplished it in a very shallow way that doesn't allow for meaningful skill expression. Now every strong player just looks like a red rank mashing armor moves and spamming plus-on-block-chip-damage-launchers that can't be sidestepped in most scenarios. The mere act of evading in VF feels so fucking good and I forgot just how good it feels to make defensive reads and be rewarded for it rather than punished. I don't want to see Tekken continue down this road because I don't want any 3D fighting game to fail, but I just can't force myself to like T8 anymore. Once VF REVO comes out, I'm in it for the long haul. Here's hoping RGG studios don't fuck up VF6 the way Bamco fucked T8.

[@TheMixedPlateFrequency]

I do really like how Virtua fighter has weight classes and weight mechanics in the game.

[@mikumiku925]

This kinda tutorial is EXACTLY what I want!!, thank you bro~!!

[@revbladez5773]

I have seen stupidly many people try VF, then their reaction can be summarized as "why is this not like Tekken" and then just go back to Tekken. Which is probably the best thing to do if that is the attitude they have when going into VF but the number one thing one must do when getting into VF is not have it and go into it expecting it to be its own thing.

[@jerimiahsaiah]

13:33 hahaha

[@DEANDRE_DTS]

2:56 Hitomi theme is amazing !!!

[@similaritiesendhere]

Preach brother. It seems like destiny that Tekken revealed another sword wielding, magic user at the same time as VF's rebirth.

[@kaiserrino8774]

Tekken is like WWE. VF is more like UFC.

[@VirtuaNinja1]

Basically

[@Kaithe7]

Ok now you're pushing it 😂

[@SPINMASTERX]

Biggest differences from jump are stances, guarding and sidesteps don't work the same. Also lows in Tekken are extra damaging unlike VF.

[@DimasTWD]

Tekken can shoot a laser and being unrealistic, while Virtua Fighter focused on being realistic and pure fist to fist fight, not by using magic or sueprnatural like Viktor, Clive, Claudio and Kazuya 😅

[@versatilelord8893]

Yeah but vf isn’t really “realistic” either. Yes it has the martial arts vibe but It’s not meant to be since it’s a video game Does Eileen look like she can throw taka around like that? lol

[@04RebellionDark]

One way someone put it is Tekken is Anime, while VF is a Jackie Chan Movie. Both don't follow reality but one is abit more grounded in it's martial art / powers than the other.

[@superdupeninja8149]

@@04RebellionDarkI think people just don’t like change…Tekken 8 better than Tekken 7

[@WatsonDynamite]

@@superdupeninja8149 it's better if you started with Tekken 7 but if you know how Tekken used to play like before 7, it's much much worse

[@davidjones8043]

@@WatsonDynamiteI’ve been playing since Tekken ONE. I like 8 better by a LONGSHOT

[@TS-ic1ol]

I’m 43. I dabbled on and off in many different fighting games since SNES/Arcades and relatively recently got back into them. I thought MK and Tekken were going to be all I wanted to play but know I’m into everything. I enjoy T8 and Clive was just what I needed as a FF fan. I was going to brush VF off completely to be honest but I think I might give it a shot. Thanks for your work…if only I could put more hours into the day. Learning is hard😂

[@temjin44]

Chess vs Checkers

[@manrightchea]

Nah more like Shogi vs Chess. High level Tekken is too difficult to be checkers.. Both take a lot of skill at high level..

[@enki5446]

* Cheese vs checkers

[@versatilelord8893]

You did not just call tekken checkers Cornball ass take lol

[@tontimmy45635]

​@@versatilelord8893 Tekken 8 is a ball pit at this point

[@flexfam9791]

@@versatilelord8893 fr he thought it sounded cool...what an idiot

[@ntalottantalotta9114]

great vid. thx for the info. i swear ur the king of 3d fighters. no one plays as many as you

[@EmeryReigns]

Thanks bro i love me some 3d fighting games

[@ultrainstinct4766]

How did I not know this game? Every time I see something I think it's more incredible. I bought tekken 2 days before watching the teaser at The Game Awards, and I regretted it LOL I could have used the money to buy VF Revo, but whatever, now I want to learn this game, and I'm really hoping that the next game will be on level or at a level higher than vf5. This is my first 3D game, I only played street fighter, it's all very different, but little by little I'm improving.

[@WatsonDynamite]

fortunately VF REVO is a lot cheaper

[@JamesP44]

As someone who's been a Tekken fan for the longest I feel I'm leaning more towards VF now as the better fighting game because of the fact it requires more skill. Tekken has become more for casuals with T8 with little to no skills required and nothing but cheap tactics, can even set it up to make combos easier example hold l1 then tap square and triangle to do a 5 hit combo. Its gone silly the whole franchise.

[@thrillhouse4151]

The block button and ring outs make me compare it to Soul Calibur (2). I thought being able to fling people over the high walls with KAGE was the coolest thing ever.

[@zuzubaloo]

the movement seems to me the biggest of all differences, and that freedom of movement is something i miss in VF, but it has so much else going for it. it's just a trade-off. tekken has cool characters and the movement is really open and expressive, but then VF has the advantage of not being bad.

[@Qaintrain91420]

The comparisons are going to come when V6 comes out hopefully they put Tekken back in the right direction by showing them you can still make a good game without it being too damn crazy

[@PeerlessUtopian]

I believe DOA has something similar when trying to throw the likes of Bass or whatever the case may be? I'm not quite sure.

[@biquiba]

Look up for an old post on vfdc made by Ice-9. He's a legenda. He explana in detail the original of the diferente perceptions and what the games really do.

[@EmeryReigns]

Can you find it and stick it here so I can watch it that sounds interesting

[@RickoSama]

tx for yours videos! u rock!

[@FlyShuttleSpecialty]

Love just bout every fighting game. Tekken is good. VF & DOA are better.

[@TheDarkknightrules92]

Can't argue with you there.

[@DEANDRE_DTS]

Tekken is more fun tho

[@TheDarkknightrules92]

@@DEANDRE_DTS all Three are a TON of fun. My personal favorite fighting games.

[@h_msk]

I love every fg except Samsho

[@FlyShuttleSpecialty]

@@h_msk 😔 Samsho is amazing lol. It’s more of a punishment game. Maybe the next one they make will be combo focused. I’ll argue Samsho is the ultimate footsie game.

[@HRCaptainHonest]

Thanks for the video, very interesting

[@jinku77]

Too sum up from my point of view as a tekken player. VF is more about the reads from a variety of options at short range, while Tekken is more about the options regarding your movement and the opponent's movement. Both are very complex games

[@ancientplayercham4939]

Great vid for those who want approach to the saga.❤ VF it's simple to start but really deep and hard to master in highest levels. That's what make it's also so cool

[@littleknackstreams]

Virtual is a word of 2024

[@EmeryReigns]

Ayeeee

[@ADR_JaiDe_N]

We need a doa5 revo lol or doa 7 .. maybe in a couple years . Love the much deserved hype vf is getting lately . hopefully tekken enthusiasts just stay in their own lane if they can't have an open mind about other fighting games instead of crapping on vf 😂

[@YellowFellow86]

Cant wait for VF. Don't know who to play 😅. Hope this series can get the respect it deserves.

[@EmoDKTsuchiya]

2:17 Used to love when DOA bosses would get the instant stagger break 😂.

[@nicknicolas1949]

I’ve been a silent follower for about a year now and I’d like to say thank you for championing DOA and now, SF. A lot of Tekken guys would downplay DOA and SF but tbh combat is really more fluid on both. I have been playing tekken 8 since its release and it really feels like doa on steroids 😂

[@tennoshinenzara7748]

This is a massive in depth take, least you're not pissing on the game like tmm,👍💯 mad respect.

[@justinmercado3183]

Ring Outs are a check for button mashers. No situational awareness? FU ring out. Regardless if you were winning

[@billywelch4611]

The zoom in on taka 😂that is one thing I do like about vf, like in tekken ling has no business hitting as hard as gun jack

[@davidjones8043]

In Tekken, with the best players I can’t even land a single hit. They block EVERYTHING. It’s infuriating. And then they unleash massive combos and juggles that take your entire health bar and they repeat the same combo EVERY match without fail. It defeats the purpose of a fighting game for me tbh and it pisses me off that Namco even made the game like this. The most fun matches are the ones with short combos and special attacks that are appropriate to the moment, based on reflex and knowing your character. I guess Namco thinks grinding to learn infinite combos is better so the first person to hit wins and if you don’t know those combos you’ll always lose. Really sucks but luckily a lot of lower tier players like myself don’t play that way because it’s frankly stupid and a cheap and weak way of going about playing a competitive game. I’ve gotta try VF, haven’t played since like PlayStation one or something. I don’t like the way it looks though, seems similar to DOA which I do like but with less special attacks.

[@darlingimscared]

Shout out to the Tenchu last stage music in the beginning of this video that was a deep one 😅

[@jeremiahmilazzo1446]

Onimusha is going to be sick

[@BlazingfuryOfficial]

Tekken died when it went TOO anime

[@funish0009]

Virtua Fighter looks more like a Tekken game than Tekken itself.

[@Leonard_Washington76]

I’m a Tekken player since TK1! I’m definitely looking for something new and fresh I’ll enjoy. This Tekken 8 just ain’t it. Really wanted to get into DoA

[@gertruidagertruida3920]

VF: character weight matters, no floating bears and fatties VF: open and closed stance and it matters, while in tekken only closed stance and player 2 stuck looking at the character's ass VF: dedicated guard button, you can buffer command input while guarding, tekken? stupid back 2D mechanic guard cannot buffer without breaking guard VF: sidestep, agressive sidestep, and true evade.. tekken only sidestep VF: command controls are dominant, while tekken playing a piano VF: unique animated throw escape since VF2, Tekken just copied it recently VF: more variations of throw moves for every caharacter, unlike the limited simplified ones in tekken VF: real wall throwa, never seen a tekken one VF:no supers no rage art bullcrap, no comeback mechanic.. get good VF : hard to execute moves, tekken button masher in other words, VF is for players who are willing to practice and dedicate their time to learn, which is a pro for japanese players and a con for western players who prefers scrubby FG's like tekken

[@WatsonDynamite]

you say VF has "hard to execute moves" and call Tekken a button masher yet I bet you you don't play Akira in VF nor a Mishima or Lee in Tekken. Bet you can't do instant shining wizard or pull off RDC as King, or TJU as Bryan either. All of these Tekken characters I mentioned have some manner of difficult execution, but the only character with tough execution in VF is Akira, granted the difficulty of his commands is equivalent to all the Tekken characters put together, but overall the execution in VF is a lot easier with the only exception being Akira. Most other characters moves are a direction and 2 buttons, or a QCF and some buttons. Execution in and of itself doesnt make a game better, otherwise Fighting Street would be the best fighting game ever

[@Zenkai.boost.Kekkei.Genkai]

I wonder if VF6 will still have a dedicated block button or they'll go for the classic holding back to block which is how it works with most fighting games and is what most people are used to

[@WhatisaLee]

The block button does more than just block. It carries a lot of mechanics pertaining to movement, cancels, feints, input buffering, buffer clearing, etc.

[@ancientplayercham4939]

Would be cool if get both things like doa

[@Trankuilw]

My man never disapoints

[@Kai-jn7pn]

Why does it look like you're sleeping on the thumbnail? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@withoutascope]

im taking "combo food" lmao

[@EmeryReigns]

Yeah he really threw me off with that shit lmaooo

[@RealKame]

❤

[@CyberThug1080i]

You said nothing about reversals.

[@KishorTwist]

Tekken is a Toyota while VF is a Bentley.

[@kazamaskeyblade7311]

I just pray that we don't get more gimmicky BS in this next iteration of VF. This over-gimmicking of Fighting Games is a serious problem.

[@jaleelkahn7032]

So first of all Tekken had crumple stun which was comparable. I'm gonna keep watching the video but personally I like Tekken because it's actually easier to extrapolate some of the mechanics to real life. Not a crazy amount about VF seems real tbh

[@KarlKognitiv]

Which mechanics?

[@WatsonDynamite]

yeah for instance when the medieval knight summons an infernal god to attack his opponent in Tekken that's very easy to translate into real life, as opposed to crazy unrealistic Virtua Fighter shit such as *checks notes* ring outs tekken players will say the wildest shit

[@jaleelkahn7032]

​@@KarlKognitiv the universals are based on solid fundamentals, like the one two and ultimate tackle. Being a fan of Ryu Narushima and playing Jin was one of those particular treats for me. Thanks for actually just asking and not having a complex like some either/or kinda gamers.

[@jaleelkahn7032]

@@WatsonDynamite I mean something as intuitive as having a button per limb. Or how defensive movement translates to footwork and head movement in purpose of fighting. But go off

[@bryansam650]

Stagger mechanics have to go. The stance checking and the weight class system are not so different from knowing where and when to step a move in TEKKEN. What is simplified in one is more work to do in the other and maybe vice versa

[@TheSoCalledZoner1]

Is good or evil fictional or real

[@medjo1]

Becareful man, the elites did not gave you the vf pass 🙀🙀😹😹

[@KarlKognitiv]

@@medjo1 did not give*

[@davidjones8043]

The wall is the cheapest part of VF AND Tekken. It’s utter bullshit that landing one or two hits can lead into talking most or all of the lifebar. It’s fucking cheap as it gets. It doesn’t make you a good player, just a cheap one. A little extra damage is to be expected but to be doing some crazy unrealistic bouncing off the wall then ground then popping someone three feet in the air by kicking them in the ankle and starting it over again. So unbelievably stupid and cheap. Wish they would focus more on actually LANDING AND BLOCKING ATTACKS. Which is what fightin is actually about.

[@phillyman2837]

VF has a block button

[@versatilelord8893]

A block button that actually works unlike in the mk games lol

[@IceyMim]

🤓🤓

[@EmeryReigns]

It’s your time to become the next VF legend 🥷🙏🏾

[@korvus1248]

Virtua Fighter can't beat Tekken... Tekken has Chipotle 💩

[@rangershot]

tekken is about guessing I don't know with some other fighting games 😆 if reflex training is useful on other fighting games then I'm gonna delete tekken 8 forever lol! defense training in tekken 8 is useless 😆

[@billywelch4611]

What’s funny is all the stuff that makes vf “harder” or different they more than likely wiping all that out the game lol vf has a lot of unnecessary tech that gives the impression it’s a harder game but it’s low key a mashing easier game

[@nicksrandomreviews]

So, the difference is, Tekken is dogshit, and Virtua Fighter isn't.

[@versatilelord8893]

Goofy ass take beyond belief Vf is still the king but tekken has earned its spot among the best fg’s not only in 3D realm but in general

[@nicksrandomreviews]

@versatilelord8893 Tekken has not. It got its spot because nobody owned a Saturn. It maintained its spot because nobody owned a Dreamcast. And then it maintained its spot even further, because why would anyone buy VF, when Tekken has the brand recognition going for it? VF has always been superior. Every iteration. Tekken has always been second fiddle to every other 3D fighting game, save for maybe Mortal Kombat.

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

@@nicksrandomreviewsthen where the fuck are the rest of em. Soulcal’s dead. Bloody Roar’s dead. Star Gladiator’s dead. DOA is in limbo, MK went back to 2d, and a new Rival Schools game is a dubious prospect at best. Tekken didn’t survive just because it was widespread. It survived because it got support and had iconography. Listen, VF’s great, but it has the presentation of white paint. It might be the most bland fighting game of all time. Compare it to Tekken 3 and you’ll realize pretty quickly why that shit didn’t make a splash. Graphically, it was better, but style trumps graphics and Tekken has a lot of style

[@versatilelord8893]

@ like I said. Vf is still the king. But this tekken hate as hell & nothing but a reach of ifs & buts. You’d have a point if tekken was this fighting game with no substance but that’s not the case at all. Tekken has some of the most interesting depth there is in any fighting game that’s been made. There’s so much to sink your teeth into so I can’t in good conscience agree here. Because you largely sound ignorant as hell

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

@@versatilelord8893I feel like there’s a small subsection of VF fans that hate Tekken because it’s more popular. It’s not all of em, of course, but they act like Tekken is a baby game. The skill floor was lowered but that ceiling is still high

[@lonewander6772]

I like both games for different reasons. The only big 3D fighter I don't like is DoA, for obvious reasons, and a huge part is its attack animations are to me like gumby. No form. When I did play DoA5 to learn its mechanics I played the VF characters.