emily in paris is fake, this is what france really is.

[@Cosmic.tardigrade]

Latinoamerica have the opposite problem. US movies always show the worst and romantize poverty

[@macelharen]

poverty porn is a term i read very recently

[@danielapena-ev4yb]

And they never forget to add the sepia filter.

[@Jestemdominko]

That is same shit actually. Delusional "esthetics" of making distorted reality a market product. This reality is not place for us people.

[@erikdaniels0n]

and they always apply the damn piss filter, especially when it’s in Mexico

[@iheartlreoy8134]

@@erikdaniels0ncity of god was in rio but made excessive use of the Latino filter

[@Robynhoodlum]

11:30 I once read a quote that I think applies here, “The poor want stability, the middle class want luxury, and the rich want experiences.” You were aiming for luxury, but these rich kids were aiming for an experience.

[@markhathaway9456]

true in America too

[@KlaudiaShaefferr]

@@markhathaway9456 everywhere

[@fandommenace9575]

I like this quote.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

I guess I am a middle class outlier because I prefer simplicity.

[@MichelleMingo-m1i]

That’s a great quote. I’m going to save that.

[@jeffreywilliams3421]

Came for the content, stayed for the flowery pants

[@ArThur_hara]

WhatDidHeSaaaaayyy?

[@Lara-yr4bp]

I have these pants. Did you get them in Noz??

[@JohnVKaravitis]

You saw Paris, you saw France, but you didn't see her underpants!

[@ArThur_hara]

@@JohnVKaravitis WhaDidUSaaaaaa' ?

[@larshelmin]

Came for the content, stayed for the Citroën Xantia 😀

[@alieldremy]

This is so prominent in egypt that we describe tourists/elite class areas as being in "egypt" while the rest is "masr" which is the arabic name for egypt

[@andre-cmyk]

we do something similar in brazil, where foreigners and the rich see brazil and we see brasil (we spell it with an s)

[@celdur4635]

That's funny, coincidentally Masr sounds like MARS.

[@R2BMusicCH]

And what is Misr?

[@karimtabrizi376]

What is the real brasil?​@@andre-cmyk

[@lolal2502]

And what is Mesr?

[@Peregrin3]

I'm French from the working class too but I despise those slab concrete modern buildings. I'm really happy that more and more people are pushing for a return to traditional architecture, those high rise cities just suck your soul out of you. Beauty is not a luxury it is a necessity.

[@nannanzhang4695]

Yes I agree! Leave those for the US where it started. It also makes travel that much more enjoyable to see different beautiful architecture. What's the point of travelling if everywhere is the same, i.e. replica of U.S. I don't like seeing the world too homogeneous.

[@markhathaway9456]

Profound and obvious, but "the powers that be" decide how we live.

[@MrThomko]

@@nannanzhang4695 seems to me the banlieue "slabs" actually originated with the modern movement spearheaded by countries like France and popularised in Europe after WW2 to rebuild and house rapidly growing populations. It's the "pavillion" style that came from the US. We can't blame everything on them :)

[@shalbec3232]

Nodern buildings will continue to be all over France😂 you can't make the government change it unless they decided to stop making modern buildings

[@Peregrin3]

@@MrThomko Yeah they have enough on their plate.😅

[@louis-marieokolo41]

I love how French KZbin collectively decided that, "Yeeaaah, this TV show doesn't represent us" 💀💀💀

[@sterlingmarshel6299]

For clicks

[@dcisrael]

I mean its "Emily in Paris" IE an American in Paris not, I don't know, say "Cosette in Paris". If the show had adopted a working class aesthetic but still starred Emily then it would be the cosplay this video complains about. If Emily in Paris showed both unique Paris and universal Paris then there would be no focus and probably no audience for it. If the show had only showed universal Paris and starred Cosette instead of Emily then might as well move it to New York and it would be Rent.

[@Chrysobubulle]

It doesn’t represent poor people’s Paris no. But people live in the arrondissements where Emily seems to spend her life. Actually many people do. Some people barely get out of those neighborhoods. Why would they ? Paris neighborhoods work as mini cities already, you usually have everything you need in your neighborhood. I mean you can move and go see whats going on somewhere else, but it’s very rare people living in the 14th arrondissement will spend much time in Parc de la Villette. The same as people living in Belleville will rarely go to the 16th arrondissement. You usually stay near the arrondissement where you live.

[@lysithea9293]

And Alice Cappelle and her woke friends don't represent the French.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

@@Chrysobubulle it does'nt even represent rich people either. It's a complete american fantasy of what Paris should be to suit an american's dream of Paris. Fair enough. The thing I did'nt like was the slightly "racist" (condescending, demeaning, humiliating) take against french people.

[@davidp.7620]

Unfortunately houses aren't consumer good anymore. They've become investment products. That's why their prices are skyrocketing worldwide.

[@brunobcosta1]

Homelessness has become normalized too.

[@John-qd5of]

Speculation on property must be stopped dead in its tracks, or there will be no one left except the bourgeois complainers. If you can't afford to live in your city, you move out. You might try borrowing money, but you might decide that you can't afford to buy a house, or even to rent. You can't affodd the future, so the future generation is not even born. You are then left with nothing but those bitter, complaining bourgeois types, who live in Paris. You cannot build an economy on realtors.

[@helpanimals-]

it's called capitalism unfortunately aka how can I exploit more and more from nature and people

[@nuclease2739]

@@brunobcosta1 yup, and we keep going after the homeless instead of the problem itself. france attitude toward them during the olympic game was a disaster

[@cappalini]

The prices of real estate are skyrocketing as the work cost, material cost, taxes on real estate and everywhere else and loan interest are higher than before, also, the maintenance cost (!) reached such heights it is not beneficial anymore to build, buy, rent for others, especially the poor/middle class. For investments it is usually best when prices remain affordable to the majority as otherwise you will lose the investment or go bankrupt. So, if you think vast investment is the problem - no, it is not. Empty, luxury NYC apartments are a different story.

[@NotJustBikes]

It's very interesting to hear your take on French peri-urban spaces and the "cosplaying as working class" anecdotes were hilarious! I've wanted to make a video about the car-dependent suburban neighbourhoods in France for a while as I've noticed how much they resemble American suburbia - much more than other countries in Europe - so it's interesting to hear this history. The one thing that bothers me about peri-urban neighbourhoods for the working class though, is that they are car-dependent, which means the most expensive form of transportation (the car) is the only option for the people who can least afford it. As for Emily in Paris, it follows a common template: there's no way Carrie could have afforded her life in New York in Sex and the City either.

[@jonathanmelhuish4530]

Please collab, that would be sure to be an amazing video! 💚

[@0matters]

Hollywood always overgrade France, Japan, Korea...and overlook places like China, Germany, Latin America...

[@anniaisse]

These car dependent suburban areas sound like a nightmare to me, not a dream. Individual housing is such a waste of space and resources. Taking the car to the supermarket once a week to restock on food is the most boring weekend activity, and I feel like for children, it's quite isolating as they need their parents to drive them everywhere. Kids in the Netherlands are autonomous at a very young age and can bike to where they want. We need more of this in the world!

[@thomasparthenay1791]

@@anniaisse I'm not sure car dependent suburbia in France is comparable to america in this way; Suburbia in France mostly was the development of French towns a few kilometers from the main city. Usually, these towns will also have a city center, which is usually adequately stocked with basic necessities. The car is most critical in having a job, but usually not for children or for groceries.

[@anniaisse]

@thomasparthenay1791 I've seen both cases. Some suburbs have their walkable distance supermarket and boulangerie, but some have nothing. I guess it depends on what people can afford, and what's their priorities are between a big hourse or the abitly to walk to your groceries.

[@andrerobins5309]

There’s not one cigarette in anybody’s hand on that show. That’s how you know. It’s fake Paris.

[@lexywackess]

You know USA smokes more cigarette per capita than France right ? And almost all eastern Europe have more smokers than France. I don't know where that Idea Comes from.

[@thegoodgunner]

French people this day barely smoke

[@bks-54321]

I think the concept that no one smokes is the problem. It is leaving out a mundane yet common occurrence.

[@krzysztofkrowicki1312]

@@lexywackess East european here. Now west smokes more than us. I am in Germany and everyone smokes. Cigarets are on full display in contrast to Poland.

[@lexywackess]

@@krzysztofkrowicki1312 i get the feeling and haven't Seen poland much in the stats, but if you look AT official numbers, even tho countries as France spain and Germany have Big % of smokers, they are below some like bosnia, and definitely lower than many in terms of number of cigarettes smoke per day. Then, i don't know how the stats are made, and if in some culture or not you tend to lie or not ^^ Being on the border between France and Germany, i feel less people smoke now

[@astrumrimor2450]

If it was called ‘Amelie in New York’ it would show a perfect, polished NYC, though. That’s just how this kind of show is. Shiny.

People can look at ugliness outside for free, why would they pay to watch a show that is ugly?

[@HoChiMinhForTheWinh]

because sometimes things that are considered 'ugly' are actually very pretty and very functional.

[@jerdna021]

you mean, "Sex and the City"?

[@maxn.7234]

​@@jerdna021Friends, too.

[@Pencilman246]

@@jerdna021 I can see foreigners or even other Americans getting certain romanticized ideas about NYC from Sex and the City. However, the main difference is that SatC is made by New Yorkers about their own hometown, they’re romanticizing their own place, whereas Emily in Paris is an American fantasy about Paris by and for Americans. And I don’t see an issue with that tbh, everyone from Ernest Hemingway to Woody Allen has romanticized Paris. I understand why the French are annoyed by it, but I hope they realize that America isn’t what they see on TV either! Most of it is ugly suburbs or depressed rural spaces with some natural wonders and the cities are a mixed bag of gentrification and decay. TV and movies can never fully capture the complexity of real life, only a chosen slice of it that the artist wants to focus on.

[@mattiemaurin]

I'd love to see Emily shopping at the Clignancourt Lidl.

[@TheTigronette]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/amTRfoKpl7ylrtU

[@syc6598]

Emily in Africa.

[@tonymaiorano2749]

Haha. She would have to dress down.

[@debb1137]

😂😂😂

[@TheLastEgg08]

@@syc6598You’d see her feeding the poor black children suffering of hunger and anorexia and she’d find a cure for HIV or some shit like that. Stereotypes only, nothing else.

[@SlashmanG]

The constant cosplaying as working class is such a massive trend in California as well, it reminds me of the perfect song “Common People” by Pulp.

[@mattwong5403]

Most of those people are tourists or wealthier residents in West Los Angeles and in beach cities in the South Bay who are not from California. You won't see this as much in other parts of LA, like Torrance, Inglewood, Monterey Park, and Long Beach.

[@seanpatrick1243]

The rich are often quite good to working class people who serve them and feel good about themselves for doing so, while voting for policies to ensure those same people must struggle and feel grateful for what scraps the rich give them. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@keith6371]

Not sure what you mean, most of time in LA people dress very causally regardless of class. Old generation who lives in now expensive neighborhoods were working class or middle class. My grandparents were working in offshore oil business way back. They brought a house in Malibu, and it was/is basically a glorified shack. Many oil workers brought houses along the beach back then.

[@Nightelf333]

politics from left often do that nowadays, so they look more like them and so they can identify themselves. It's so fake 🤣 but seems to work as those people are usually dumb af.

[@yuzan3607]

Wow, it's my first time watching that song. I come from an upper middle class family, I grew up in a little village in the country side. In my village, I was taught that being poor is the opposite of cool, even poor people would do their best to not appear poor (dress well, behave well, be well read/well educated...etc). Life was simple there, and while my family was a bit racist and classist, everyone oddly got along together and everyone was just doing their best. Then I moved to the big city (because of my father's work) I studied in a fancy school where all the rich kids went (ok my family was rich, but nowhere near how rich these people were) and suddenly, being poor was glorified! It was suddenly cool to dress like a homeless person, have bad manners, be bad at school. I was literally bullied for dressing well, having good manners, and being well educated... that was so "uncool" to those rich folks. Despite trying so hard being poor and pretending that they're "progressive" these people understand NOTHING about lower classes. They have this weird distorted view of reality that makes them so obnoxious. I admit that my family say racist/classist shit casually but at least they deal with people from lower classes in a more respectful way and as I said, people in my village all get along the rich and the poor. While people in the city have the weirdest distorted reality where the rich are trying so hard to pretend to be poor in the most awful disrespectful way to actual poor people and there's a big gap between the two classes.

[@guerreiro943]

I hate how dominant US media and culture has become worldwide. Sad that a single country can hold such power over the global media landscape and cultural perceptions.

[@markhathaway9456]

The first "ugly France" thing we see is the basketball court ---- an American creation. Who gave them the post-war housing? Levitt, an American. Where was the mall created? It seems there have been reasons both countries, and perhaps more, look similar. Why? Are people really so similar that we all want this same stuff and lifestyle?

[@mad-FrenchS203]

Because it was imposed, the bankrupt governments weren't given the freedom of planning. That, greed, power and corruption also.

[@precel1500]

I am not sure if this is truly "sad", there was a long time when global landscape and cultural perception was shaped by French culture and it was even more dominant.

[@EastSider48215]

Give it some time. American culture and media dominate right now, but that’s because right now, America is the superpower in the world. There was a time when Britain ruled the world, and before that Rome, and the Mongols, and even France had a brief shot at it. In another 50 years, there will be some other dominant culture and Americans will be the ones grousing.

[@CantRead1]

​@@precel1500"America bad"

[@Pomoscorzo]

I didn't watch the show but it looks like a Disneyland kind of Paris with the protagonist being an eternal child.

[@japaley4459]

And she gets a job as a marketing executive BUT can't speak French. How stupid is that.

[@susanaescriba977]

Exactly. 👍

[@joannabusinessaccount7293]

Hahah! Disney movies have done more harm than good in generations of children - it’s like porn for kids in a non sexual ways.

[@Pomoscorzo]

@@joannabusinessaccount7293 Name me one piece of media that hasn't filled our minds with wrong expectations and unrealistic attitudes...

[@niccolocaramori7288]

As an Italian this actually relatable considering that whenever a show or movie tries to portray any kind of Italian city or town I can already tell which ones they will show, Rome(only the historical parts and center), Venice but only the Laguna I think most people, Italians too, don’t even remember the mainland part of Venice which is Mestre and it’s 70% of it’s population, Florence which according to movies it’s only “piazza del Duomo”, Milan is most of the times forgotten or is just the Duomo, curious considering that it’s the economic and fashion center of Italy but it’s not historical enough probably, Naples but just the “Lungo mare” which is 5% of the city and maybe some Sicilian city if they want to make a movie about mafia.

[@dzonikg]

Yes it was shock for me when i went first time to Venice with a car and there is just ugly industrial everywhere you look until you go to actual Venice island ,i was like wtf is this like i am in USSR and not Venice ,it was totaly unexpected for me,i never saw that before on media .But i guess every country has good and bad parts

[@Elrik99]

Agreed! I left a comment about Italy before I read yours. Although I am not from Italy, I noticed in Palermo last month that the touristic areas are trying to conform so much to the (very limited) ideas and expectations that a person who has watched a movie like the ones you have described, might have. To such an extent that you could be standing next to a closed book shop and the storefront is plastered with a picture of people drinking a spritz... I mean come on! 90% of the spaces around you are like that ! Does that closed shop have to be also the same?

[@nad0862]

My sister went to Roma last year and was so disappointed, she said it was overcrowded where the monuments were and that the rest of the city was roadworks everywhere

[@Olive-gd3wn]

Au moins en Italie vous avez plusieurs lieux de référence alors qu'en France : Paris = pays France . Un pays qui est en fait une ville.Interessant non? Ben c'est la France 😂🥺😠

[@lucianboar3489]

All the while Milan is cleaner and prettier than Rome or Venice :) And very interesting architecturally. Been quite impressed by Genoa too. And by smaller cities like the very beautiful Lucca (much more than Pisa) , Bergamo and Udine. I plan on combing through Italy a lot more. No experience yet with Southern Italy but there are a lot of places I want to see in the North (and Centre)

[@Sturdij]

i'm super grateful for your channel being kind enough to give your non-french speaking neighbour an idea as to what its like on the ground over there. Thank you very much.

[@mchannel1365]

Kind advice, dont rely on internet about any experience Paris is just 20% suburbs are actually where 80% population live Make your own conclusions

[@eev14]

When you spoke about these privileged people dabbling into the 'working class aesthetic' it was awfully relatable to me, my first time feeling this weird feeling was when I did a trial year of art school in Amsterdam, I myself grew up in a very rural christian area of the Netherlands, while I was there most of the other students were dressed in overalls as it was the peak of 'hipster' aesthetic, this was also around the time when Starbucks first was introduced in western Europe, flannel shirts and being eco-conscious became the trend, these hipsters in art-school were the origin of the 'art-hoe' or tumblr aesthetic from my perspective (early 2010's) These hipster students really looked down me, I didn't have a cool artsy laid back aesthetic, at one point a girl in overalls with a perfect messy bun made a snide remark about how I was just a 'farmer's girl' and she laughed as if I was uneducated and below her. Nobody backed me up at the time but rather I got the side-eye, I didn't fit in with these rich kids wearing 'lumberjack/farmer' outfits because I wasn't a rich city kid and I didn't dress like them or resided in the social circles they did, in their eyes I was an actual farmer's girl (despite being just lower middle class/working class), it was one of the reasons I gave up on pursuing education at art school, most of them were in fact rather privileged young people trying to be down to earth and quirky instead of being genuinely down to earth. They didn't wear overalls for practicality sake, they wore them for the sake of fashion and assimilating into a at the time still somewhat niche hipster fashion. I recognize that it's become a common thing for people with means to actually romanticize the aesthetic of poverty/working class households, they don't have any of the financial struggle or hardships, they just get to wear the clothes and experience a to them novel subculture. It's something that makes me incredibly uncomfortable, I'm an artist but I'm not cool or quirky, I don't have a strong fashion sense or follow trends for the sake of commercializing my art, but this also means that I'm actually poor and will remain that way because I just simply don't fit in with modern artist social circles. Real working class or poor people in western society are in these times 'boring', we don't really have aspirational aesthetics, we have to be practical and practicality isn't pretty. Practicality of past times is popular but our modern form of practicality isn't anything rich people want to emulate or be inspired by, perhaps in 20-30 years this practicality will again become a trend for the rich.

[@vigil4Jesus]

Hello, eev14 and ooievaar6756, I wish I could meet up with you both and have a coffee and a chat :-). My world has shrunk since I started living true to myself. I stopped lying to myself about how people are. Nowadays trying to do things more each day , like making garments, cooking good food, reading, time with family and our Cat, praying.... need to start exercising again :) . Peaceful life, less people. I feel that both are inversely proportional. I believe that when we are internally secure, it reflects and leads to changes that are like ripples of goodness despite all the toxicity around us. Wherever you both are, may The Lord bless you and lead you. Remain unique. Wish you both peace and joy.

[@jakobwachter5181]

Anyone who has gone to a major American city (DC, NYC, Chicago, LA, etc.) will tell you the first thing you notice, after all of the grand buildings and cars whirring by, are the homeless people that line the street. This is another "ugly" thing that a lot of shows and movies try to hide (unless they are *specifically about* showing the poor or homeless, which is another story). I've never been to Paris myself so I can't say whether or not the feeling is reciprocated there, but the feelings of grandeur and purity espoused by these kinds of shows ring very hollow when the same street corner has a man begging for change in tattered clothing so he can get lunch for the first time in three days.

[@Chris-xc1tm]

Paris is homelessness, crime and decay. Europe has been economically gutted.

[@Just_some_guy_1]

The homeless is more often than not begging so he can get his drug of choice, not food.

[@acmulhern]

Absolutely. Emily in Paris is definitely missing the corner homeless guy and the dog sh*t that are a ubiquitous part of Paris. The illegal street vendors selling key chains and plastic light-up Eiffel towers are also nowhere to be seen. Even the corner news stands and the street markets aren't there, so they must have also been considered too ugly.

[@Bobylein1337]

​@@Just_some_guy_1 same difference, just like letting people stay hungry on the street, addiction is a societal problem caused by neglect of the people who end up on the street.

[@Just_some_guy_1]

@@Bobylein1337 Some people just have addictive personalities. You can love them as much as you want but they'll still fuck up. Alo, I don't remember where I heard it, but supposedly a great deal of homeless suffered a head injury at some point in their life. And there's no real medicine for that.

[@professorskye]

As someone who has spent years in France, who has studied its culture for decades, who has tried to explain it in his own YT videos and who is teaching a class on French Rap and Rock this semester, I completely love this video! It popularizes complex thought in an excellent manner and also uses the thesis/antithesis/synthesis model with stealthy efficiency. And Annie Ernaux! Americans need to wake up to her. The anecdotes were perfect. (Though, Lens is not as inconsequential as it was made to seem in the video. One of the top 5 French teams in history with no doubt. The point still stands.) This channel is doing very important work in the field of intercultural competence. Bravo!

[@aidancameron7972]

I have no idea what Emily in Paris is, nor do i know how i ended up here on this channel. However, as a working class man from one of Scotlands post industrial townships I feel the need to say that, I also need to work on my negative emotions when rich kids cosplay as working class and I like this video. Lets appreciate the universal for what it is.

[@roxyamused]

I've definitely noticed a sharp trend into dressing working class. When I was working at a vintage shop, Carhartt pants ($100+) and jackets ($300+), previously used the more expensive. New they're cheaper, and essentially the same though sometimes earlier pairs could have been made in the US. These are generally construction worker clothes, recently Dickies have come back- also working class was popular in the late 90's as well that came out of skating and cholo culture. It reminds me of where "Bohemian" came from, or the rich Parisian artists that lived in the Spanish district romanticizing poverty and dressing like Romani or Spanish peasants. It's giving that kind of aura.

[@paulipeltola2789]

>Carhartt pants ($100+) and jackets ($300+) "It's one gallon of milk, Michael. What could it cost? $20?"

[@EPWillard]

to be fair dickies original pants are pretty good for the price and if you cut the label off they just look like cotton-poly trousers.

[@lucia-di-lammermoor]

It's because of the recession (YES, IT'S ALREADY HERE). You're more likely to attract negative attention when you dress "bougie" during hard times. This already happened a few times, most notably after the French Revolution.

[@annabarr1304]

The aspirational do quiet luxury while the rich do poverty porn

[@janebaker966]

Dressing down is good as disguise too. Wealth is discreetly hidden.

[@alexwixom4599]

Ok, Miraculous Ladybug has the same problem of only showing the most prestine version of things. It is an animated kid show, but there's never anything bad said about France. Hell, even the sewers are spotless! Exceptionalism is dangerously pervasive.

[@Lyttee]

I love Miraculous😅 and yes even though they are middle class they live in a nice area and have a nice life😅

[@alexwixom4599]

@@Lyttee it's a really fun show. I love her lucky charm randomness. Have you seen the whole series?

[@sanitygone-l9y]

Theres a lot more wrong with the series than how it depicts France tbh. The writing is appalling for one.

[@elinat2414]

A line in the show that irked me in the show, was when Camille and Sofia were looking for an apartment. Sofia suggested a place and Camille proclaimed 'but that's 40 minutes out of the city, Im not going to live in Paris and NOT live in Paris.'. Ah yes, because the historic centres are the REAL city, and everywhere else is beneath you. Got it.

[@AnthonyLopez-c4r]

What Camille said is actually true. They have the same name but basically they're two different worlds. Not that it's beneath but clearly the areas are two different things all together. The qualities of each are are very different and the reason why Paris is famous has nothing to do with the periphery. This is what she meant.

[@elinat2414]

​@user-rl3nd3fj3l I live in Sydney, it's a similar situation. Just because the historic centre is what is famous, doesn't mean that the periphery isn't interesting and vibrant. The comment did strike me as snobbish, because it implies that just because you cannot live inside the postcard of a city, you aren't really experiencing that city. Also, 40 minutes isn't even that far. You can basically catch a train into the centre and experience it.

[@joannaloza1148]

Paris is small. It’s not about the historic center versus the rest of the city. It’s about Paris versus another city. Paris « historic center » does not really make sense. It’s just Paris. If you need 40 minutes with a train to get into Paris , your living experience will be quite different.

[@Thjnv]

Tbh as someone who grew up and still lives in the paris banlieue (a middle class one), that was one of the more funny, relatable and authentic lines in the show. Theres definitely a symbolic and cultural boundary between paris and its surroundings, which are composed of different cities. I've seen real life parisians basically react the exact same way Camille does

[@Mia-pr9cd]

Living 40 minutes outside of the city is a lot in all European cities

[@Szaam]

In 2011 I went on tour with a band across Europe (I'm from England). The van broke down on the first day and we ended up stranded for two days in Dunkerque of all places. What always stands out in my memory is the hotel staff giving us free food when they learned of our predicament. France has had a place in my heart ever since.

[@susanaescriba977]

Do you remember it fondly because they gave you free food? That is, they bought and cooked food for you in a hotel for nothing?

[@FairLadySpiny]

You mean to tell me that NOT ALL of Paris look like the Champs-Elysees??? Wild

[@Khabibsbathtub]

At some places in Paris you'll land in Zimbabwe

[@Marthysgarden]

Yeah like we don’t know anything

[@susanaescriba977]

🤣🤣🤣👍

[@addieburkam2204]

I noticed this trend of working class aesthetics a lot when I was living in Paris last year! We went to a natural wine bar, kinda fancy and chic and everyone there was wearing carharts and camouflage. I grew up in a very rural town in Canada where people wear these things to go hunting and fishing so it was hilarious to see this in Paris, in a trendy neighbourhood with wine and artisanal icecream. Anyway thanks for the great vid as always !

[@MissMoontree]

Since when is camouflage working class? I always thought it was military and it was most used by kids here that wanted to look tough.

[@andresabantoenns9697]

​@@MissMoontree in rural canada camouflage is very common for hunters

[@k.v.7681]

@@andresabantoenns9697 In France too. Outside of the military, which is quite rare, as a soldier wouldn't wear when off duty, it's mainly hunters or alt-right little shits that bray about patriotism (even tho they'd be rejected from service for being extremists after an interview).

[@lucia-di-lammermoor]

@@andresabantoenns9697 Are hunters in Canada impoverished?

[@liubovliubov]

@@MissMoontree There is a special type of camouflage for hunters, it's meant to make you blend in a forest environment. Google "hunter camo" and you will get the idea.

[@BackyardEpicMovies]

France isn't a total loss it still has Alice!

[@tomasalvarenga9287]

I found those Le Corbusier designs at 5:24 and their zones so familiar. After a quick search, I discovered that Le Corbusier was a big influence for the city plan of my hometown, Brasília. what a small world

[@fiqhonomics]

I read that Brasilia is unique in that it was designed from scratch as some type of "experiment" by urban design leaders during that period.

[@alioshax7797]

He had a big influence on virtually every major architectural project ever built between the 40s and the 70s. For better and for worse.

[@Arnalou83]

Le Corbusier was also one of the architects of Chandigard city in india, you should have a look on his work here also :)

[@reginabillotti]

@@fiqhonomics Not totally. There are other cities, including Washington DC and Canberra, that were purpose-built specifically to be capital cities.

[@cocoacrispy7802]

It's impossible to exaggerate the extent of the damage wrought by the rationalizers like Le Corbusier with their obsessive demand for 'separation of functions.' In America, the zoning codes are another product of this insane compulsion to flatten life into a few categories. Contrast them with the great Jane Jacobs's celebration of the organic complexity of city life. It is this capacity of life to break out of the Moche suburban shell that, I suggest, lends the banlieus whatever interest they possess.

[@habl00pep]

Traveling in the 90’s we met elderly people living in one his buildings in Marseilles invited us to look around after finding we studied at the school of art in Glasgow and everyone we talked to absolutely loved living in it

[@fabricioazevedo2361]

Brasília is 100% le Corbusier. Look some aereal pictures and you will understand.

[@cl0oOsh]

I used to live in the Paris suburbs. I have now moved to Belgium and I found myself nostalgic for the Auchan mall, and the commercial zones around. I would never have thought I would miss those places. As a white french banlieusarde I always thought I had no culture specific to where I lived (unlike people from Bretagne, Marseille etc...). I now realize, outside of France (and after having read Ernaux), how wrong I was.

[@Noirevert]

I respect the restraint it must have taken to get through this without a “Paris-Urbanisation” joke.

[@aeolia80]

As someone that lives on the outskirts of Paris, lol, oh man, I'm soooo much more used to seeing this idea of France moche than the "pretty" side of Paris or France. The centre commerciale places to me are no different than a strip mall in the US. But I grew up pretty poor in the States and am now lower-middle middle class here in France and I have to admit it, I kinda like the convenience of the centre commerciale, lol.

[@karldergr0sse]

It’s very interesting to me that the French story post war is so similar to ours in Germany. 30 golden years after the war, migrants rebuilding the country - I mean it totally makes sense, but I was just never taught that info in school about France. In general it is somewhat concerning to me how little we learn about French history after the world wars in our school system (but I also did have Latin instead of French, so maybe I missed something there) Regarding the video‘s main topic: for me personally, I don’t like those polished cities. Munich is the best example in Germany and it’s like: yeah, cool to be there for like 2 days, but as soon as you look behind the beautiful fassade, you see the ugly: the fakeness of people, the need for expensive brands to fit in, the way police pushes the homeless into the underground tunnels… I much prefer my city of cologne or Berlin, where it is more dirty (admittedly) but these cities also feel more real (although Berlin has a lot of the pretentious rich kids cosplaying as homeless people dynamic, which makes it fake as well, just in another way as Munich). So my main observation is: I never feel really at home in cities / city centres that are very posh and clean. Gimme some graffiti and some real people living there…

[@noefillon1749]

The saddest part to me is that we don't learn a lot about post-war French history in France either. We learn a lot about post-war world geopolitical history but not much about France. That would help us a lot I think to have some perspective about the society we live in today and not be so dramatic (I mean being more cold-minded to be able to actually think properly) about political subjects like... hijab.

[@catherinegreen8440]

It’s called slumming. Favorite sport of wealthy pretenders

[@mindcache5650]

This is like an abstracted tutorial from a University academic except it’s also a lecture.

[@swchwrm020]

I've always appreciated the tower blocks for what they represent: social housing. I've lived in one in the west of Amsterdam and although it wasn't in the best shape anymore I liked it a lot, especially with all the green around (garden cities, yay!). The working class cosplaying is a thing here as well. One thing that always gives it away is when guys my age speak with an Amsterdam accent, but it's exactly the one that a well-known rapper (Donnie) has, and you can just tell they're mimicking.

[@leftenantthunder]

mimicking the working class accent seems to be a thing in almost every country

[@nevreiha]

​@@leftenantthunderin the south of England people will often mimick either the cockney accent or the MLE accent, both are spoken by a diverse range of people but there is a skew in how they associated with ethnicity and culture. Sometimes it's just painful to hear well off kids putting on fake accents to sound hard, it's just cringey.

[@leftenantthunder]

@@nevreiha yup same here in Toronto. The inner city dialect is born from a select few districts of the city (almost identical origins as MLE) but with an odd twang to it that seems almost unnatural to it until you learn that it is very much forced. The original accent was twisted and bastardized to the point of parody. Then of course you have those who co-opt it when they have very little in common with those who grew up speaking it. I can understand some words leaking through and becoming part of a larger cultural vernacular but when you start picking up entire phrases and manner of speaking its obvious that you're just trying to front.

[@woopimagpie]

@@leftenantthunder Can't say I've ever seen it in Australia. I hope it never takes off here.

[@aleksandra797]

@@leftenantthundernot In Poland, also we do not have such a big class differances as other European countries because of communism, most people mix with each other poor and wealthy but it changes …

[@veritorossi]

The same happens with NY. You watched Sex and the City and wanted so bad to move there but in reality it's hell.

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

I'm a Civil Engineer in the Washington DC area of the United States. About thirty years ago the idea of the small town center was revived and is slowly taking hold. As we renovate our aging infrastructure we are building small town-like areas where we are moving away from peri-urbanization with the dependence on cars and towards mixed use development where there is residential and commercial and office space and leisure together.

[@scherzva]

Reston Town Center comes to mind.

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

@@scherzva exactly.

[@scherzva]

@@indetigersscifireview4360 I used to live in NOVA. I am familiar with it.

[@everlyw7892]

hey, nova here!!! i’m closer to dc, but this video has definitely been making me think about the ugly in dc, both east of the river in the city and the “upper middle class” suburbs around fairfax

[@tfilmyr]

"Cosplaying as working class." Brilliant! 🤣

[@itsROMPERS...]

"peri-urban" sounds like an attempt to make urban sprawl sound cool. To an American like me, it sounds just like "Paris-urban" in a French pronunciation.

[@kenhensch3996]

All of the sections where you are outside talking to camera have the audio panned pretty strongly to the left. It's not bad enough to notice without headphones, but with them on its pretty distracting. Enjoyed the video and I hope to see more like this!

[@faylmusic]

Alice, simply try to use a stereo plug in and try to set it to panned right and watch if it gets stereo or not, if not then change your recordings you made outside to mono

[@hangingthief71]

No you don't understand, it's leftist audio; a political statement with a long history in France going back to May 68 when stinky french rioters took over all the public broadcasting stations in paris to play their communist music, it hasn't caught on in the anglosphere yet.

[@NYLEVEN]

yeah i feel like her audio has been weird the last few videos

[@hangingthief71]

Actually, this was done intentionally, it's called leftist audio(French: audio gauche) it's a political meme going back to the may 68 riots when leftist protestors took over public broadcasting and unplugged all the right audio channels to signify their opposition to fascism. Everyone knows this.

[@williampan29]

well Alice is more to the left

[@viamedia2704]

Very interesting video but I've always found this idea that Emily in Paris should've shown the "real" France and not just the tourist parts of Paris kind of bizzare. Like I'm pretty working class but I'm not going to go to Paris to look at concrete tower blocks and industrial estates, I've got plenty of those in Glasgow thank you. And if you come to Glasgow, I'd probably take you to the actually nice (and bougie!) places like Byres Road or Pollok Country Park and not to the housing estates with the massive tower blocks. And I think most tourists in most countries would also tend to hang out in beautiful, well-manicured and vibrant areas that are clearly out of reach for the majority of locals, the exception being people who romanticise poverty of course. And given Emily in Paris is one big tourist advert for France and Paris, I think it's completely reasonable for them to highlight places and experiences that tourists are likely to enjoy and not the kind of stuff they can easily find at home without flying all the way to France.

[@TheTigronette]

As I said above, "Dix Pourcent", a series about theatre agents, actually does a really good job of showing you the posh parts of Paris with just the right amount of escapism thrown in, the pastel infested vomit on Emily is truly offensive to anyone who actually lives here. For info, some of the stuff shown on the show isn't even in Paris, they just cobbled together random scenic bits of France and AI images.

[@celinepa8246]

@@TheTigronette YES!! Everything about Dix Pourcent is more authentic but it is a french series, made for the french audience. EiP is what American viewers (want to) see when they think of France or Paris.

[@TheTigronette]

@@celinepa8246 Dix pourcent became huge abroad too because it combines sociological accuracy (I work for people like this and can vouch for it) with glitzy escapism, it had universal appeal! (note to the Emily team: it can be done)

[@viamedia2704]

@@TheTigronette like they are two separate shows with two separate plotlines, characters, etc. I definitely enjoyed Call My Agent and I probably enjoyed it more than Emily in Paris but Emily in Paris is the story of a rich expat moving to Paris where she's naturally going to be surrounded by other rich and privileged people and hang out around the nicest areas, shop in the most expensive shops, and dine in the poshest cafés and restaurants. Such people certainly exist and that's probably a pretty accurate depiction of their life. These people don't really catch the metro or go to the banlieue all that much, so I'm not sure why they'd be forced to do so in a TV series. And there's nothing wrong with the stories of such being interesting to people, even people who aren't necessarily rich themselves. I mean Downton Abbey certainly didn't show a representative cross-section of Edwardian Britain but did it have to for people to find it enjoyable? I'd also argue that the picture perfect version of Paris that Emily in Paris portrays isn't necessarily any more fake than "la France moche". A lot of central Paris is indeed very beautiful, and a lot of the places referenced in the show are very real and publicly accessible for little or no cost. Sure the picturesque corner cafés tend to be a bit pricey but I think it's well within the budget of most travellers to treat themselves there once or twice. It's actually a pretty good show for building an itinerary around Paris if it's your first time visiting, and as every tourist itinerary I'd expect it to highlight to me the nice places I can take pictures of, rather than the unpleasant sides of the city - which, sure, exist, but I haven't flown to a foreign country to have a look at. By the way, there was a French photographer who visited Glasgow in the 80s with the task to picture the two sides of the city - the rich and the poor. He instead decided to spend all of his time in 2-3 of the most deprived areas, took a lot of pictures of genuinely shocking poverty, and proclaimed that this is "the real Glasgow" and that all else is fake. This whole discussion is reminding me a lot of that case.

[@TheTigronette]

@@viamedia2704 This is my point though : Call My Agent is rich people hanging out in the beautiful parts of Paris. They hardly ever use public transport and spend their time in those picturesque brasseries. The unpleasant sides of the city, or even the edgier ones, are completely absent from that series too. Yet the Paris they hang out in is the one I know and recognise - I don't live in these posh places but visit them regularly for work or to see friends. As for the Paris portrayed in the Emily series, my beef is that it's just AI images and random nice bits of France from the 1950s all cobbled together. The bridge in the opening credits is in Toulouse, a hundred miles from the Spanish border! (the whole series is full of such inaccuracies). I think I know the photos you are talking about, they are gritty and don't show the whole picture, but like Call my agent, they show some of the picture. Emily's Paris is closer to Caesar's Palace in Vegas than anywhere I have ever set foot in.

[@keymot1491]

10:43 that's gotta be the healthiest relationship i've seen tbh💀

[@keymot1491]

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[@jonathanmelhuish4530]

Such a touching moment in the video! I know Alice doesn't usually get too personal but I'm sure many of us would love to know how you can 'break up' with someone and stay on such good terms.

[@HaHaHaLMFAOtv]

I don't blame you for reacting that way to those people - people that are well off cosplaying as poor is distasteful in my eyes

[@kitcarson1697]

No one depicts Washington DC the way it really is, a city filled with hobos sleeping in the street and panhandlers and very dirty.

[@oscarvillalobos775]

Blame capitalism and neoliberalism for that

[@beatricetellier6838]

honestly as someone living in canada even the ugliest parts of paris are sometimes prettier then the pretty part of some of our biggest cities

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

It's always fun from a North American perspective to hear people from Western Europe talk about the bad parts of their country and wonder what exactly they're complaining about

[@jubernardi23]

It is tragic there too, what was French before is not even close what is now

[@denizsarkaya5410]

Do you really think so? Having lived in both countries, I imagine it's just hyperbole. Ugly parts of Paris are truly ugly.

[@StreetofCrocodiles]

​@@denizsarkaya5410i agree with them, as an American that spent ten years in Europe. Lived in France for a while, though not Paris, the UK, and Germany. On a trip back to spend time with friends in Paris, I was walking through a neighborhood, I have long forgotten the name of, and I had a cop ask me where I was going. After I told him I was just walking around to help me relax before I tried to sleep, he informed me it was not a good place to walk around, in the dark, alone in. He noticed I was not from France so he wanted to make sure I wasn't lost. So I said "this is a bad neighborhood?" He said yes, the crime had been bad there for years. The thing is, to my Americanized eye, it looked very middle class. Clean, quiet, and safe. Later I looked up crime stats and found out I had lives in neighborhoods with more homicides than all of France, in the past 5 years.

[@niteshade2271]

​@@StreetofCrocodiles ahh yes my Caribbean eye makes me want to completely disregard the dangerous places in some Dutch cities. Everywhere looked safe to me since I've seen what unsafe looks like in my country. I was probably very lucky when I was walking about at night.

[@Himbros]

To be fair, I used to live in Cergy, and it is quite a peculiar place. I mean, it is far from ugly, or "standard" It has a lot of parks, a lake, monuments like the Axe Majeur. There are street markets, and a lot of little shops like greengrocers and bakeries. It is also a really diverse and friendly place. Personally I found it quite unique, and well, weirdly both quaint and a strange futuristic feverdream. If only the RER would work reliably...

[@masterculturedunkerque7918]

Feel like Cergy is another city in another world not that much related to Paris lol. RER journey difficulties makes it even more secluded

[@xouxoful]

I agree. Cergy’s not the « standard » example of banlieue. It’s a ville nouvelle, so it was planned (with 70/80 considerations). It has a center (prefecture) and an enclosed mall : not just a sea of pavillons near a strip mall like Herblay of Cormeilles en Parisis.

[@cl0oOsh]

Casually asking for a miracle here

[@reginakempin3636]

​@@xouxofulo

[@raphaelcaceres9129]

Cergy is ugly

[@andreselectrico]

As a visitor, I was surprised to see the strict separation between bourgeois Paris and working class Paris. It was surgical. Certainly, this separation can be seen in many other places as well, but Paris won. In the bourgeoise part everybody was white and well to do and kind of cold. In The other part of the city everybody was mixed qnd ok. I did stay in the latter.

[@Bleilock1]

I think majority of european cities are like that

[@ericmarseille2]

Yeah, but there are wonderful banlieues, where many rich or as we say here in France "easy" people live...I was born in Paris but spent most of my youth in a very poor and concrete-laden banlieue, and my dream is still to live in a beautiful but simple "pavillon", a house, in an affluent banlieue (i know them quite well of course). There are quite a lot of affluent people in the banlieues.

[@jannerick2]

@@Bleilock1 not necessarily. Lot of countries have very mixed planning. In London the richest and poorest areas will sometimes be next to each other within a 2 minute walk.

[@andreselectrico]

@@ericmarseille2You are right; there are differences. Some banlieues can be quite affluent. No problem with that. I loved them anyway because the culture of communication is different when compared to traditional affluent areas. You still feel the togetherness, openness, and acceptance. I think those are the most important things. As a non-white person, I felt well-treated in both poor and rich banlieues. However, problems would arise if the wealthy residents suddenly started to imitate the behavior of those in traditional, white affluent areas, which is the kind of mentality that neoliberalism has promoted in many countries, particularly in Western industrialized nations. Then, that beautiful culture of solidarity would start to experience some cracks, and we would see underdogs turning against other underdogs. That would be sad. But this was not my impression in the affluent banlieues. I think racism and segregation contribute to this unity culture, regardless of material conditions.

[@andreselectrico]

@@Bleilock1 Certainly, like I said, but I think @jannerick2 has a point.

[@WayneSchowalter]

This will probably get lost in the mountain of comments about your recent enjoyable video, but here goes- if you haven’t already seen Jacques Tati’s Mon Oncle and Playtime, please do so. This is a great filmmaker’s perspective on how urbanization was affecting France. And they are brilliantly funny. Thanks!

[@koitsuga]

This was a good clickbait because the video was more substantial and interesting than the thumbnail

[@ericdere]

I think we Dutch have a romanticized version of Paris as it existed (allegedly) in the fifties or sixties. But that might be more France in general.

[@Feefa99]

I think 50s and 60s are romanticized everywhere

[@una3450]

Before the migrants? Tbf Amsterdam is still great from what I hear

[@munaali840]

@@una3450 the migrants were there from ww2 rebuild

[@MissMoontree]

@una3450 Amsterdam is full of tourists. In the center it is rare to hear people speak Dutch, let alone the Amsterdam accent. The older people are annoyed that you are forced to speak English to do your job or go shopping. The rich migrants don't care for the local language, since "everyone speaks English already". So they might live in Amsterdam for 3 years and know as much Dutch as the average tourist.

[@tchek1980]

@@una3450 No, before the 70's urban projects of the Giscard era. Giscard wanted to modernize France and it became a technocratic brutalist dystopia with roundabouts and housing projects. The old was destroyed for the new. Centre Pompidou is a testament of that.

[@EannaWithAFada]

The France Moche Dublin example at 2:15 is actually in Galway, a generally much more picturesque town in the west of Ireland compared to Dublin, this does however not only prove the point of "France Moche" banileu kind of being everywhere, but I wanted to point it out because it's a photo of the estate I live in and it is so jarring seeing it on the video essay of a french youtuber I just discovered 😭

[@dartymoris98]

Getting strong Rahoon/westside vibes off it

[@meikala2114]

🎉

[@MargaretPinard]

Two extra cheers to the video editor ex adding their two cents 😂

[@phoneboxchicken4108]

The subjects of this video apply to Britain too. Every foreign show set in London is around Buckingham Palace, Houses of Parliament etc. and never in the rougher parts in the east of the city, or even the commuter regions. Rich Londoners have also moved to the South West of England, and bought second homes in Cornwall, Devon, Somerset etc. which means former fishing villages and towns are way too expensive for locals. And in the north, Whitby has gone from a fishing town to a big tourist town in the last 30 years. As for Paris itself, I always had the impression the centre was the pretty, tourist zone, but the rest were all tower blocks. And that's where all the football players, musicians etc. came from.

[@_denzy_6310]

Super rich people do like to act poor without all the suffering

[@VeryConfusedPerson]

10:09 Oh, a Citroen Xantia! The quintessential 90s French car!

[@tj2375]

And also moche 😂

[@OlivierLebo-n3h]

The basic French car for 'average' people. It reminds me of the 90ies. 😊

[@pendragon2012]

I definitely think a lot of these TV shows want to show an ideal view of whatever city or area they are portraying. It's supposed to be more of an old fashioned pilgrimage kind of story: chasing your dreams wherever they lead you. Better to study the real locations to see what it is. As you mention, you're likely to find less romanticized but still very real forms of beauty and fulfillment. 🙂

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

It's an American show and we like to look at rich people, pretty simple

[@Nanancay]

I'm surprised Emily in Paris is a thing, it seems like a show that would've been popular back in 2005 or something - but because of globalisation and the web, we know the reality which makes it even more jarring for a show to pretend like Paris is the best place ever.

[@pendragon2012]

@@Nanancay Maybe intended as nostalgia for people who loved that kind of show?

[@michalrogalski666]

Are there any people who actually believe that Emily in Paris is realistic?

[@LiaShubina]

Exactly that.

[@regularpotato]

I would also like to know

[@aselliofacchio]

Yes, women.

[@RocketScienceIsSimple]

It is for some people. I grew up in the very highest socio-economic french environment possible. I went to high school with heirs of some of France's richest fortunes and i am friends with a lot of very wealthy people. We all live in the city of Paris, own a few appartments around the city to facilitate transportation and to sleep there when we go out although we have a home base most likely somewhere in the 16th, we own a countryside house, a chalet in the Alps, a beach house and a sailboat for most of us. We go to the restaurant daily, wear high fashion brands and take uber or the cab to move around town. We only see the nice neighbour hoods of Paris or France basically: Montmartre, Saint Germains des Prés, Île de la Cité, Buttes aux Cailles, Passy, Opéra, Marais etc.. I have the keys to my friends appartements where they don't live all the time that are located a bit everywhere in Paris. The show is obviously not entirely accurate and it is fiction but quite a lot of people live this way in Paris.

[@everlyw7892]

@@RocketScienceIsSimplei’m really curious how this video felt for you with your background?

[@gogaonzhezhora8640]

I think the "Olympics" opening ceremony represented France pretty well. It's just that many French don't like it.

[@thiagolopes3552]

This video talks about everything, except what you are expecting.

[@literallyanythingelseother]

These types of places I hate because of the separation of everything. at least here in the US it created spaces that are empty and therefore sketchy during certain times of day. I hate that kind of organization

[@phoebe_cincotta]

I also live near Paris and I disagree with you. Yes they only show the pretty Paris but Paris proper is really that pretty. The show was not called Emily in Île-de-France or Emily in Aubervilliers. It was not a denial of the existence of ‘ugly France’, it’s just not a theme of the show. Not everything has to be about social justice…

[@oliviertruchon5648]

She's a snowflake.

[@DearBill]

Emily in Paris is roughly 40% genuine and 60% stereotyped in my opinion. I’m from the Southern Parisian suburb and it’s quite similar with Emily in Paris but less glamorous , without these fancy stuffs.

[@mrphyz4674]

40 % thats pushing it more like 10 % real 90 % stereotyped

[@adriannaradowska3730]

As an urban design student, I've really enjoyed how you've tied the history of peri-urbanisation to the romanticisation of working aesthetic and way of life. I think in the UK (where I live) this tendency is even stronger and has more spacio-economic consequences like the rise of upmarket greasy spoons, while the old ones facing a pretty steady decline. Crazy how people can gentrify a restaurant or a football team now!

[@Player-re9mo]

As a Romanian I also used to believe that France and Western Europe in general are cleaner and safer than my country. It was only after the release of Tiktok that I saw people posting unfiltered videos about France. I also started watching travel blogs from people who travel outside of tourist areas and I found out Paris is a city full of crime and garbage. I hope my country doesn't follow in France's footsteps, although we have looked up to France historically.

[@dressagegirlkae]

I’m American, and I’ve traveled a lot in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. I’ve always avoided France, Paris looks beautiful but I know nothing I see on TV is real and what I hear from the people that live there. I generally feel more safe in the “normal” poor people areas.

[@onemanfran]

You know that France is more than Paris, right? What a strange comment.

[@Player-re9mo]

@@onemanfran I also heard that drugs and gang violence are a common occurrence in Mediterranean France

[@gregft1979]

Let's be honest here - I've been to Romania and lived in France, those are not comparable counties. France has lots of issues but Romania is literally a third world country. Not even comparable.

[@Player-re9mo]

@@gregft1979 Maybe you should move to Iran, Syria or Libya and learn what a third world country is. But France is becoming more like them, so perhaps you won't have to move after all.

[@simsima4636]

They do the same in the US. They shoot a place and make it appear for something different than it is. It's just a movie.... Paris doesn't deserve a backlash for that.

[@Amaling]

Also half of the places shot are actually in Canada lol

[@simsima4636]

@@Amaling Very true 😜

[@burtflak9409]

The original csi, In Las vegas, made Vegas look lush cool and interesting. It's Grey and tan plain and boring, Vegas that is. That orb eye thing is cool though.

[@yuzan3607]

They also use studios because they don't have actual pretty places.

[@MrThomko]

I remember my first time in Hollywood! I was so disappointed because it looked nothing like what I had been shown all my life in hunderds of movies and TV series. That was my biggest shock in the US. New York was EXACTLY how I pictured it though, except when I crashed at a friend's basement in Brooklyn ; I expected it to be like in the sitcoms - instead it was damp, smelly, dirty and full of cockroaches.

[@elladesetoiles]

You forgot the pool Alice! A house, two kids, a pet, a car/SUV and A POOL! Very important the pool, otherwise you don't check all the items of the suburban life (according to Parisian TV announcers).

[@k.v.7681]

"Du coté de chez vous"... that small show always had me in stitches with the title, because damn I never saw anything like those near the places I lived. It would be hilarious to see a giant glass mansion from my HLM window tho...

[@gloriathomas3245]

No TV show or movie is really going to show the ugly side of an society

[@luismakeup08]

I was in paris once, i assure you emily in paris showed real places, if you dont like beautiful places dont worry is okay to be wrong

[@camillem103]

I went to Paris from the US for grad school and I remember feeling so confused in the taxi from the airport to my apartment in the 19th like…why doesn’t this look like the movies lmao. (Bien sûr I later learned to love my quartier and I’m sure today it’s much more gentrified than what it was seven years ago!)

[@peterturnham5134]

I'm English but have lived and worked in France for the last 30+ years. Yes at the beginning I had an expensive flat in Paris. After 2 years moved to a traditional village 30km from Paris nearer versailles. I have a house built in 1780 in beautiful countryside can go to Paris or Versailles to see the Opera. I have toured all over France on fast motorbikes and my Mercedes, it is stunning and varied, quite beautiful and not Moche. I retired last April, now may move down to Burgundy which has rolling green countryside which reminds me of England. I'm not rich, with my pension I get around 3500 Euros a month. If you want to sit in a suburban tennis court you have missed France.

[@motohobo]

@peterturnham. Retired on 3500€ a month!! You may not consider yourself rich but you're certainly doing very,very nicely. Most working people I know either earn smic or a little more. Of course it depends on where you are and what you do for work. But all the same 3500€ a month is a very nice pension.

[@katia7271]

1. The first anecdote: rich kids dress up as working class because they are bored. They want novelty. And so they go to PMU to take in the workers' simple pleasures. 2. Suburbs are essential to the life of society. Young people from banlieu take insurance, caf, various assistant jobs (BAC+ 2 education requirement) that need to be filled in order for everyone to go on with their life. 3. Suburbs vary greatly. There is very white Le Vesinet and then there is Sartrouville/Poissy/etc. I find it rather accessible to go to a beautiful location with a train pass. (Of course, I lead a semi-bobo life myself). But, seriously, one could live in Sartrouville, work a clean job in Paris and run along the Seine river every day. One can find pretty places and not spend money. 4.Emily in Paris was never meant to represent France. It was made as icing on the cake. For laughs. To be consumed in moderation. Your tennis story gave me a smile. Very bobo. I find France is a land of pleasures. Your tennis gig. Or walk and picnic at a lovely park. Or video games. Or education. Or bio cooperatif, or shared gardens, or the window shopping. They did make a lot accessible to many, though more could be done yet. I am tempted to say Emily is not you. And it was not made to represent you. Or me. Or a Parisian. Bonne rentrée

[@felixpowell3975]

The people pretending to be working class reminds me of Marie Antoinette's farm in Versaille

[@Charlotte-vp2fu]

I remember Paris in the 80's and also from the 90's (when I lived there). Paris was affordable back then. No problem. I wouldn't go to Paris today if somebody paid me... The migration has ruined Paris 100%. Not to mention the fact that everything now is extremely expensive. The charm is completely gone.

[@diogorodrigues747]

Of course, here comes the typical r4cist French. As if immigration didn't exist en masse already in the 1980s and 1990s in France.

[@carolann3249]

So very true , shame on the gov there

[@roverboat2503]

Same with London.

[@TheTigronette]

WTF are you on about? This is complete bull. 80s and 90s Paris was full of migrants, immigrants and foreigners of all types, as well as the French offspring of people from just about anywhere (everywhere except for "Le Triangle d'Or" was like this), much more than nowadays where gentrification has priced a lot of them out. Even Paris in the 1920s had a sizeable non-white population. My guess is you never lived there (I sure as hell did). You are jus a racist trying to make a point about "migration" (sic.).

[@tayloryoung9803]

what a ridiculous comment.... Seems like pure Whining The only expensive thing in Paris is real estate. Other than that its completely fine Indeed if you just cherry pick all the worst and clickbait article/videos on the net you gonna believe this.... Where do you even live ? Maybe if you lived in Paris in thr 1950s id understand that changes are though to cope with but COME ON you were there in the 90s.... Things are pretty similar and changed like everywhere else. "migration ruined 100%" ruined what ? its not 95% white now but only 80-85% thats your pb ? Its some people with headscard on the street ? Or maybe you will say criminality : BS , there is less crime now than in the late 1980s SHAME on you , you are either ignorant or borderline racist

[@kimjunjae]

6:20 Correction: Annie Ernaux is detested by most rather than appreciated and her nobel price was given to her only because she was a woman and they needed to meet quotats.

[@Dunybrook]

First French woman ever to win it. If anything, it seems like they had a quota to exclude women.

[@Coeurebene1]

Don't exagerate in the opposite direction... Big cities suburbs are often ugly yes, but most of teh country side is charming, and most city centers are nice too.

[@thecomprador]

We have a similar "class cosplay" going on here in Britain - eg Madonna's ex Guy Richie speaking with a cocky accent when he went to Eton, or my son's English friends at boarding school all listening to grime music. I find it very fake and distasteful.

[@apascualgil]

Really loved that final sentence about wanting to highlight what makes a place exceptional not what makes it universal.

[@grabham59]

I loved the whole "cosplaying Lens" thing....there was definitely a similar thing going on in London in the late 90s (see Pulp's Common People)... I think what's interesting is how much of "Paris" is those peri-urban spaces - which is perhaps what leads visitors to have "Paris Syndrome"... Excellent video.

[@planesandbikes7353]

Love visiting France, maybe can do without seeing Paris and can do without talking to rude snobs like Alice Chappelle.

[@macelharen]

TL;DW - "Emily in Paris is about creating a picture of Paris that is unique, not universal" (although i'd be curious to have Emily make a longer video about "universality" using the same themes she had going with that contextualize/historicize stuff)

[@BadidaJackson]

Good thing the ministry of France rejected Le Corbusier’s vision of ugly sixty-story housing projects. Now he is just famous for his uncomfortable chairs.

[@stacymcmahon453]

Reading commentary about Le Corbusier in the urban planning academy is a trip. Did you know he was a Nazi? Regardless of that, he inspired all those communist apartment buildings that blight the former Soviet bloc. Ironically, those were closer to his vision than the western versions, because Soviet citizens couldn't afford cars. In the US in particular, Corbusier's gardens became parking lots, so the brutalist high-rises were also surrounded by concrete and asphalt on the ground, multiplying the vsiual effect. They are still with us today, and if you know what to look for it's interesting to see the remains of what was once intended to be a self-contained indoor town surrounded by nature.

[@syc6598]

Over the past 15 years they have been replacing the dominos by other stupid buildings, 4-story residential buildings, even uglier. With the same people inside of course. The problem remains. But now they need 5 times more space.

[@dianecollins6304]

An american suburbanite here, from 20 miles outside of chicago. Never go to city, at least I avoid it. Love seeing the authentic France not the perfect, clean and always happy.

[@cobravonkleist7136]

Your story of the bar reminded me. When I was in my late teens early 20s, I moved into Philadelphia for work. It was my only option for the industry I was in and since I didn't make a lot I had to live in the poor section. While I was there, a lot of the rich kids from the suburbs started moving in and pushing the other people out. They loved the irony of living in a "poor" neighborhood, and would frequent the local bars and restaurants to the chagrin of the locals.

[@noushzad19]

What we saw during Olympic from Paris actually was ugly. It showed very disturbing image of France today

[@diogorodrigues747]

What was ugly for you?

[@lioneldemun6033]

​@@diogorodrigues747That guy painted in blue

[@lorettaray8317]

I thought the views of Paris during the Olympics were spectacular. Great ad for the city sites. I was there last year and look forward to another visit. It is pretty crowded on the streets. But farther from the main sites, it is quaint, modern and interesting neighbourhoods. A place to get to know and enjoy day by day.

[@lioneldemun6033]

@@lorettaray8317 Paris is a shit hole I know it for I was born there in 1955 ( nearly 70 years ago ) and lived there most of my life ( no choice most jobs are there). I couldn't escape fast enough, like most real Parisians. Paris is only fine for the rich tourists who believe they live in the " Amelie Poulin" flick, and the French snobbish high class ( so called " elite")

[@mrconfusion87]

There is a reason why the Japanese have this thing called "The Paris Syndrome"!

[@My1es]

As someone who lived in Créteil while doing an internship near the Arc de Triomphe, this video is nostalgic of going from bourgeois areas to return to my shopping centre train stop and scrounging for the discount cheese and cheap wine to still be able to experience France, along with the premade cordon bleu's from Lidl. Most of my time was spent in the 13th Arr to stock up on asian food, the various cinemas (half of the time bumming free tickets), and hanging with the cataphiles.

[@eve_in_paris]

« The old bourgeois Parisian always complain, rarely say hi, are racist and classist ». This is not a fine judgement, you lack discernment. I do not trust the « always » and the « never »…

[@paulm749]

Indeed. That comes across as a bit of reverse snobbery or perhaps a form of virtue signalling: "I'm not one of _those_ people." The off-hand slag toward SUVs was a similar moment as some of them, particularly hybrids, are remarkably fuel efficient. It's also mildly ironic as France gifted the world with what is arguably the first SUV in the Citroen 2CV. Still, Alice presented a number of interesting observations about contemporary France from her native perspective.

[@oliviertruchon5648]

That's pure wokism, lots of socialism in there.

[@morbid1.]

Nature and greenery is very important... Trees, grass and bushes should be everywhere, it's not only good for local climate but for mental health

[@Rich-xg2cg]

After listening to this diatribe, I understand why her ex left her...self absorbed nonsense....

[@taniaeloomian7900]

Please also make a video (if you have not yet done so) about the two myths about French women: 1. They are skinny, and 2. They are chique.

[@katia7271]

3. They dont want French men salaried below 10k/month

[@gula_rata]

I notice Tokyo, Osaka and other Japanese cities seem to operate on their own urban planning system, which gets some ideas from the West, but manages it better.. Tokyo is the largest megalopolis on Earth, but compared to NY, LA, and other Western cities, doesn't have their pollution, crime, violence, ghettos, danger zones and wastelands. Tokyo is cleaner, more peaceful, and more liveable than many Western cities. There is more social cohesion, harmony and cooperation among people.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Yes. ! There IS more Social Cohesion in Japan . Because they do not permit mass immigration !!! Which has completely ruined Sweden / Germany and UK and having same effect on Canada now !!

[@e.malloy7530]

I really could've used this video when I was a 21 year old USamerican from the Midwest and visited Paris to be suddenly shocked to discover it did not look like what television and movies (a la "Emily in Paris") painted it to be... my mistake.💀The city was very beautiful, but it was at the end of the day, a large urban city with normal modern city problems like the ones you find in the US. The nicest place we found was the corner store and all the immigrant/working class people who were polite to us and helped us find things when we got horribly lost and Montmartre but that's because I was a big nerd about the Belle Époque. 😅 Anyway thanks for the perspective and there is beauty to be found everywhere!

[@lesego1503]

This is why it's also important to watch media made by people from that country. Céline Sciamma's Girlhood comes to mind. She did a fantastic job of showing 'ugly France'

[@Luisa-mm8nq]

This is the way countries are, they have an ugly side and a gorgeous side, you choose…

[@alainaaugust1932]

Lovely presentation but you forgot the deep historic context, not just the 20th century. Being French, do consider the impact of Marie Antoinette and her maids. In her Petite Hameau they dressed as peasants and pretended to be poor. Later London gifted the world the phrase “slumming it” as it became fashionable for the rich and upper middle class to play tourist in the East London slums. Still later in the Jazz Age slumming it was the bee’s knees as everyone knew the best music was to be found in the black area of the city, politely known as the lower class or simply, the slums. Dividing ourselves and our living spaces into classes and designating the wealthy area as “pretty” and the poorer area as “ugly” is a very old human habit. The archeologists can’t find evidence of this habit in the ruins of the Indus Valley civilization. But it’s clear that some time or other in the last 5000 years we invented it. It doesn’t seem to matter what nation. We humans just find a way to divide ourselves into “the better than” and “the less than.” That great European Carl Jung would say we’re all just projecting. Poor headless Marie. Was she feeling empty and poor inside? And so projected that outside in her little drama? And the French people then were trying to behead what part of themselves? Did they succeed? Oui? Non? And so for every nation. Except maybe the Indus Valley. Once, 5000 years ago.

[@konodanshi]

A very quick search will tell you Marie did not actually "play farmer" in her Trianon, it was simply maintained (by staff, not her) as a scenic retreat. You have a great point but you're using a bad example based on sensationalist misinformation.

[@karlaschmid8757]

It’s meant to be entertainment, not a documentary.

[@BadidaJackson]

I agree. This video is just a passive aggressive way to dismiss the non-Parisians.

[@swe3t.dr3ams]

Oh to be entertained by a tv show mocking and parodying paris and french people..

[@karlaschmid8757]

@@swe3t.dr3ams actually ths shots of Paris are gorgeous, and if anyone is being parodied, it would be Emily.

[@oliviertruchon5648]

​@@BadidaJacksonYes, she's very snobbish, it says a lot about how the radical left had perverted a certain portion of the french intellectual class. Fortunately people like Mathieu Bock-Cote are there to remind these people that they also live in a small bubble.

[@jacobwhite9006]

The thing most French don’t realise is: Yeah OF COURSE there is an Ugly France. But at least it isn’t the freaking baseline. Uou showed a picture of Hongkong completely unironically - not realising that this is what in France they call UGLY, while in Hongkong that’s PRETTY. So stop banging on the fact that France too has ugly sides. Yeah… whatever. The point is France is stunning!

[@ThriftyJetsetter]

what a surprising treat your video was! I was expecting the usual clickbait "10 worst" list video. instead I found a thoughtful, well researched education video that was interesting to watch. I subscribed and look forward to browsing the rest of your work.

[@ElSucrion]

Every country has its bad locations, especially in urban areas. France is beautiful you should try to visit it.

[@dirtCommie]

Thank you for tricking us into learning about peri-urbanization. 🗼🏬🏢