Eminem's Unintentional Curse on Hip Hop

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What happens when a beloved legend inspires a legion of artists who are generally loathed by Hip Hop? That’s the increasingly prevalent question when it comes to the one and only Marshall Mathers.
He’s undoubtedly one of the most talented MC’s and sharpest wordsmiths to ever step foot into a recording booth, with his wizardly wordplay, unparalleled emotional vulnerability, and demented sense of humor. But Eminem’s once-cemented place in the GOAT conversation has been questioned in the past few years, partially for his 2017 album Revival, which was so universally despised that he spent his entire follow-up album Kamikaze sifting through the rubble of backlash.
But Em’s legacy isn’t being double-checked primarily for his work, contrary to what his harshest critics say. Eminem’s status in rap history is in danger because of the generation of rappers Eminem has inspired, who are at best, cheesy and eye-rolling, and at worst, an incredibly obnoxious plague on the culture.
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Narrated by: Spencer Pearman
Written by: Drew Landry
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[@MiketheNerdRanger]

"The Real Slim Shady" was a premonition, not a parody, and its one that came true.

[@cindyw262]

Oh damn. Didn't think of it that way!!!

[@bigol9223]

and "Stan", and "Just Like Me", and "White America", and

[@versecontro4898]

Have you seen the culture of hip hop these days? They are all lean clones of eachother

[@thecosmicblueautie]

Bruh...😆

[@ShaggyJ1000]

Facts! I just thought about that after this video 🤯

[@DaMathias]

“And theres a million of us just like me who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me And just might be the next best thing, but not quite me!” -Eminem, 2000

[@DontDrinkthatstuff]

Back when Eminem was actually a beast and not trash.

[@jaywilliams6250]

@@DontDrinkthatstuff you’re drinking the kool-aid

[@DontDrinkthatstuff]

@@jaywilliams6250 Em sucks now

[@aim2mobile997]

@@DontDrinkthatstuff you prolly a cool guy 👍🏼

[@DontDrinkthatstuff]

@@aim2mobile997 Thanks

[@idonnow2]

one of the things i respect most of Em is that he's absolutely loyal to the culture he grew up in. Nearly every single recent track of his has to mention Eric B and Ramkin as his inspirations, and speak with great nostalgia of what the game was back in the day. You listen to him in interviews and you get the sense that he's at heart a massive hiphop nerd lmao

[@jalazel6447]

Yeah, but it's clear he has a bias for what he grew up on, not really showing much passion or love for anything that was released after himself and Fif.

[@nasirthesenatejohnson6935]

​@jalazel6447 Cap. He shouts out new rappers he respects, such as Kendrick, Big Sean, Logic, J Cole, Cordae, Joyner Lucas etc.

[@jalazel6447]

@@nasirthesenatejohnson6935 "Big Sean, logic, j Cole, Cordae, Joyner" 😂 From 7 years ago? He shouts out the most popular rappers, not the most talented or even the most lyrical. The man is disconnected 😭

[@nasirthesenatejohnson6935]

@@jalazel6447 So he's obligated to only like underground rappers? I don't see your point

[@jalazel6447]

@@nasirthesenatejohnson6935His love for Hip-hop as a whole isn't the same as his love for Rapping. That his love for Hip-hop only really exists within a certain era, he listens to some of the wackest underground 80s shit and loves it - He doesn't dig like that for modern Hip-hop, anyone calling themselves a Hip-hop head when your knowledge of the genre doesn't extend past 2004 is laughable. He isn't involved in the culture by choice, which is okay.

[@synesthesia.aesthetic]

My ex is a local rapper who is an Eminem/Marilyn Manson facsimile. He is a blight on his craft and the world. The unspoken part of "would the real slim shady please stand up" is "now the rest of you sit tf down"

[@tonyshipps6179]

Yet you dated him so you can't say anything lol

[@puffball4484]

@@tonyshipps6179 her dating him is irrelevant. She's just stating a fact about who he was. I doubt she dated him because of his rap style lol.

[@greendoritoman2464]

Marilyn Manson and Eminem in the same sentence is disgusting lmao

[@synesthesia.aesthetic]

@puffball4484 I liked him before I heard his music and his music ultimately caused us falling out

[@synesthesia.aesthetic]

@greendoritoman2464 a lottt of people like both artists, you'd be surprised

[@OluwarotimiOmotayo]

Eminem to Dax : “That’s the type of thing make me not wanna meet each other.”

[@boooozeed]

underrated comment lmao

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

And you know Em is intentionally avoiding Dax, because Em will literally reach out and shout out extremely skilled/talented/original artists who only get like 2,000 views per video. Em even shouted out RJ Payne the other day.

[@80official20]

@@musicthemusicalperson4316 Props for Eminem for doing that, Dax is a shitty person

[@jmadz9054]

Facts

[@LosHitman]

@@musicthemusicalperson4316 tbh Dax is more influenced by Tupac and technine if you ask me he barely sounds like Em

[@Gardenstategreat1225]

He changed his rapping style due to going sober. He had to relearn how to rap. Thats what he and others have said. Thats why relapse and beyond sounds so different from the work before encore. Also he genuinely lived what he talked about and more importantly is from a different generation. Back then you had to be able to battle to be considered elite. As you traveled, dudes from other cities would challenge you. Add the fact he was around living legends early in his career, you get a once in a lifetime person. Same thing goes for 50. It was special circumstances that cant be recreated.

[@blackwarrior1897]

It's like coming back from the fuckin dead....

[@RackEmRack]

I see what you’re saying but adjust might be a better word than relearn. Like you said, getting sober/richer/older and just past his wave. But still enjoys making music that millions of ppl will listen to good or bad. It’s what it’s all about

[@RackEmRack]

You start to cater to your fan base instead of the rest of world. But Eminem got so big that everyone has to choose a line to stand on for some reason. Idk

[@darkvoidb9717]

More like cloned

[@shtickeh9715]

Bruh there are rappers that are older than Eminem that still make better music then he does. Stop w the excuses

[@michaelcoburn2975]

My first hip hop album was the Eminem Show. I was instantly an Eminem fan and bought the Marshall Mathers LP, and later the Slim Shady LP. Thru those albums I learned the names of Dr. Dre, Snoop, Nate Dogg, etc. My next album was Get Rich or Die Trying. After that I stumbled upon All Eyez on Me at the record store, got me into 2Pac, eventually got me into the first Death Row albums, and even eventually got me to love P-Funk and know more about that than any other band or music. I didn't listen to Em much after that, but if it weren't for his music I wouldn't have fallen down the hip hop rabbit hole that was amazing to discover. He was a good influence for me

[@shundrickross8408]

Best comment on here... Salute..

[@motionblurofhappy7804]

Yeah I’d have never found Bog daddy kane, Jurassic 5, fucking naughty by nature other than what my cousin had burned on CDs. I was mostly rock when I was a kid but I met my hip hop head friend in 8th grade and from there we started sharing immortal technique, diabolical, aotp. Now I’m just a fan of mostly everything. Some lil baby, that “abcde fuck you” song or whatever, cyndi lauper, a dying fetus. So I just like the arguments and videos for that other perspective. Because honestly I could listen to 2000s shit forever. Em, POD, xzibit was so good back then, static x. That era is just a gem to me.

[@SpliffyHusk]

You can always figure out what an eminem fan knows. I know people learned about treach cause they saw how hyped eminem was in that art of rap scene 😂

[@simons.2281]

Same bro. Em got me into Rap and HipHop as a 10 yo suburban kid. His constant name dropping opened the door to a whole new world. He does it on purpose to this day and no matter how much I dislike his newer stuff, I'll always respect his love and dedication for the culture and art.

[@EvilDick1995]

Same. I was in elementary school when The Eminem Show came out and it sparked my love of rap.

[@positivelight5226]

I've been saying for a while that Eminem's FANS are primarily why he receives so much hate... I'm a Em fan myself, but I'm also a true hip hop head. Most Em fans just aren't real hip hop fans but they VIGOROUSLY express strong opinions about what good hip hop is and Em's place in the culture constantly

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

Nailed it.

[@jalazel6447]

Funny how these types of comments only have 10 likes and the "Eminem is the GOAT no matter what black people think" gets 850 likes.

[@digitlive7750]

@@jalazel6447 some random white guy be like: Eminem and Tom McDonald are the Goats, these other rappers are dumb with their bitches Likes - 850 Replies be like - I'm a 69 year old retired Vietnam war veteran with my dick amputated and I relate to Tom McDonald!

[@bczvbcvbdz]

bro you have 69 likes rn

[@Yo-Ah-Kim]

Stans are the most disgusting fans ever to exist. I don’t fw Em becuase of them and he KNOWS what they are but he don’t say sh*t about it. Nah F Eminem

[@wakkawakkagaming3710]

It's genuinely tragic, Em truly loves hip hop, he's been a student and lover of it his whole career. So imagine knowing your legacy on the culture is the most unliked, annoying, corny strain of modern rappers. He already gets enough shit in his own right, and on top of that he gets shit for the next gen rappers who sound like him. Its fucked up man, he just wants to rhyme words and wear beanie caps, let him live 😂

[@littunes4284]

cement kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYjKlISurK6KnM0

[@LosHitman]

I mean he did created the people who made the song “death to mumble rappers” which is as cringe as it sounds 💀

[@LukeYare97]

🤣💀

[@brandygammon9784]

The fact he inspired at least lyrical talent over mumble rap and mumble rap is bigger for some god awful reason is an even bigger red flag in the fans. Lotta dumbed down people out there obviously

[@LosHitman]

@@brandygammon9784 rather listen to mumble rap than hibity hobity rap

[@behh3965]

Shiii I think we need to talk about Wayne's uninentional curse

[@hiphopmadness]

I have this exact video coming out next week 🤫

[@turtleanton6539]

for sure

[@naturesdopeflow]

The baby voice for sure

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

@COMBAT GARDENER I think most rap fans are. The problem is the cringe lyrical miracle rap fanbase are usually the type to completely overlook the thousands of artists making incredible pieces of writing and art, while simultaneously uplifting largely meaningless strings of multisyllabic rhyme schemes with little to no clever writing or wordplay or meaning. I mean, if you asked an Eminem fan about someone like Nostrum Grocers, Qwelle Chris, Rap Ferreira, Cambatta, Greydon Square, etc they'd look at you like a deer looking at headlights. Lol

[@FFCMUSICGROUP]

@@musicthemusicalperson4316 Cambatta is my guy. I live in Tampa and have seen him preform here several times. Underrated as fuck lyrics

[@judasfire]

The thing is Eminem as a "white" rapper in a black dominated genre made such a huge impact , that every "white" rapper that comes next , will always be called a wannabe Eminem , its just Eminem can never be replaced , because he will be just that one rare gem forever.

[@jalazel6447]

Can't recall Mac Miller ever being called an Eminem wannabe.

[@raymonds7492]

@@jalazel6447 You named one guy and thought you did something.

[@Realkeepa]

​@@jalazel6447😂😂😂😂but as a huge fraud...mr.wisdom🥴💩🙈racists real dumn

[@jalazel6447]

@@raymonds7492 Jack Harlow. Logic. EP. Rugged. Malcomore 😂

[@bwc-chvd]

@@raymonds7492yeat

[@PANIC61513]

What’s funny is that the “lyrical miracle” joke line is from Em’s BET cypher where he mocks this sort of rapping...

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

but em doesn't do that

[@Kinobambino]

He has said that back in 99 and he didn't make it up its been a hip hop thing for a while. I think the first time it was said was like 93

[@Kinobambino]

​@@mrstrangeworld5977 Nobody's saying he did lol down boy I know you love him

[@motionblurofhappy7804]

Oooh I’ve been thinking that was the Westwood freestyle but yeah that’s when slaughterhouse was there.

[@motionblurofhappy7804]

@@mrstrangeworld5977 he says “lyrical miracle individual in your swimming pool” I’m pretty sure and they all get fake hype and then he starts rapping so idk if i understood you wrong but he did do that.

[@PPhaus]

token had a good moment with his new album, 'pink is better.' it has more of a focus on beats and storytelling and has a consistent message. I hope he keeps branching out and developing his style to where he can be seen under a light of respect rather than ridicule.

[@tonyshipps6179]

Idk Token peaked with exception and happiness. He even was able to Collab with Tech and fumbled the bag by doing a song called KZbin rapper with someone who isn't a KZbin rapper. He should've picked a better concept

[@sarmadhabibkhan3036]

"There's a million others rappers just like me Who cuss like me Just don't give a f*** like me Who walk, talk and act like me. They just might be the next best thing but not quite me." Em predicted this s*** decades ago

[@QualityCulture]

It’s wild how Eminem inspired so many of these lyrical miracle rappers when he basically birthed the term and was already makin fun of rappers who do that in the slaughterhouse cypher on the bet hip hop awards. Either way great video once again. -T.

[@Ge0rge_0rwell]

How did he make fun of lyrical rappers? You aren't very bright

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

Most in the videos thumbnail are rappers Eminem have praised. I don't even know why Tech N9ne is even there since they came around same time but Em took Joyner on a song and have given props to Hopsin in lyrics, have a song with Logic etc.

[@myjciskate4]

@@Ge0rge_0rwell He's not dissing lyrical rappers. He disses "Lyrical miracle" rappers, which are basically guys that mostly just rap fast to rap fast with no substance or clever writing. The term "Lyrical Miracle" was popularized by Eminem in his BET cypher, where he disses "lyrical miracle" rappers.

[@Spacepilot616]

He didn't birth the term shock g did on "same song". Its been used since the 80s or 90s.

[@madddoggnogood1491]

@@Ge0rge_0rwell Dude watch the beginning of his verse in that cypher.... "Lyrical miracle spiritual individual criminal subliminal in your swimming pool " Yeah he did

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

NF is vastly underrated. His lyrics are personal to him, his story telling can paint pictures, he can portray emotion to the listener, uniquely articulate the processes of his mind and characteristics he has identified as problematic, and has a lot of songs about relationship problems/ideals. He is more than an Eminem clone and idk why the narrator would point out how many rappers used to bite Em hard and then single out NF as the worst imitator. I've listened to Tom McDonald, Mac Lethal, Token, Hopsin, Joyner and have really liked songs by all of them but Joyner and NF are ones I go back to still (with a few Hopsin tracks) because of their lyrics having a message and the subject material being relatable. NF has some tracks with heavy emotional depth, Eminem can get you there with his anger or his love for his daughter"s"...but as a Stan that is very familiar with Em's entire discography myself, you just won't find anything of his anywhere near the sadness and grief that NF's "How Could You Leave Us?" buries you under when you hear it. He also showed fantastic creativity and storytelling in "Story" which further exemplifies his unique excellence in visual storytelling that he displays in nearly every one of his videos. Comedians share the same phenomenon of sounding like other performers in their industry and many will talk about beginning their careers with cadence and delivery that they would start to notice was similar to the way the guys that they idolized, which (once seen, can't be unseen) forced them to find their own voices. They are some of the meanest, insulting, ball busting, deviants that are able to take one look at a person and can dissect them so thoroughly enough to identify their deepest insecurities, often tearing into hecklers egos with ease and shaming them in front of the audience . They save the funniest and most brutal for roasting fellow Comedians that they consider close friends. Yet, they all give each other much more benefit of the doubt when it comes to directly imitating someone purposefully or joke stealing which is the capital murder of comedy... I said all that to say, maybe NF has tracks in which he appeared to be attempting to sound and look like Em (the fashion of someone who you idolized and inspired you will be more appealing to you just because they are wearing it I.E. white tee's, baggy blue jeans, and blonde hair🤔) but, his cadences, topics, emotional vibe and vulnerability (like admitting to needing therapy or having self-esteem/depression issues) don't resemble Eminem AT ALL!!🤷‍♂️ He has flow patterns that can sound a lot like Em here and there, but come the fuck on, Eminem has used so many different delivery methods and rhyme patterns that trying to avoid sounding similar would be impossible. NF deserves more respect, or at the least, less hate.💯

[@Wuprrr]

I don't know if I'd say he's underrated, but it also seems to me that a lot of the hate directed towards him is unwarranted and baseless. You made some great points about how he sets himself apart and your passion inspires me to check out more of NF's work

[@arogueburrito]

@@Wuprrr NF is solid. not in my top 10, but he's a class act of an artist

[@speakz2030]

Exactly bruhhh, Em has a large discography which makes it possible that he has nearly touched on every flow, delivery pattern and rhyme scheme there is! It’s impossible to not sound similar when trying to rap any fast flow

[@TheRealestCordell]

I mean, how can NF have radio hits like Lie and If you Want Love and they still claim he's an eminem clone?

[@JayJeremiahC]

I believe they put NF on this list & how they put him on this list because he said it himself that he copies a lot of what ‘‘em does (specifically recovery ‘em). He blatantly stated that he copies Eminem religiously. His music also speaks on that matter without his statement too. My friend was a big fan of NF & showed me an album of his & at first I saw potential. However, that album was already a few years old & I continued to listen to his other material & they all literally sound the same or are at least difficult to tell apart. The potential I saw at first was him being able to have a nice steady flow or cadence. You can definitely feel the emotion that he put within his work almost right away. However, when the rest of your work long after continues that whole entire subject matter and delivery, it gets old and at the end of the day just sounds like a dude crying and complaining about the same stuff over and over again. It gets old and instead of inspiring and relatable It gets redundant and eye rolling. NF‘s biggest problem is similar to Hopsin‘s problem: They have all the potential to grow, and all the potential that they use they instead stick with the same stuff because it worked the first time. If you want your craft to grow and inspire more and more people you yourself need to want to grow and evolve.

[@jonvia]

I could listen to Em and J Cole all day and not get bored. They both know how to mix it up instrumentally with the beats as well as the lyrical subjects and delivery on the mic.

[@BT--tw3oq]

Never passing the aux to you.

[@Marvo.marv.]

@@BT--tw3oq fr😂😂😂

[@travisramirez6616]

Bruh you know you're lying

[@tomv2063]

Would be more realistic if you just said old Eminem

[@bp2000k]

Just say the Old Em 🌚

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

Another Eminem curse was alluded to by Conway - that Em’s fans only listen to him or care about him. As an Eminem fan myself I find that so annoying and an unfair stereotype. I’ve been listening to HipHop for 30 years and literally grew up listening to all the legends that inspired Em. Most of the Eminem fans that I know are the same.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

That isn't em fans that's toxic em stans that don't listen to anything else

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

@@mrstrangeworld5977 facts, but ppl don’t make that distinction

[@imanigordon6803]

@@Kiki-xx3fj There is a large portion of Eminem’s fanbase that don’t listen to hiphop in it’s entirety and some say that they like Eminem because “he isn’t a thug” like Em wasn’t talking about the same stuff the others were.

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

@@imanigordon6803 lol, his fan base is millions of ppl. You can’t make generalizations like that. He literally has one of the biggest fan bases in music, not just in HipHop. It’s because it’s so big and diverse that you get comments like the example you gave.

[@imanigordon6803]

@@Kiki-xx3fj He has a big fanbase but we are not going to act like the main chunk is white folks specifically from Midwestern areas or Beverly Hills type of areas who don’t consume hiphop. There needs to be an honest discussion of what Eminem said in his song white America where he clearly says if he wasn’t white folks wouldn’t have flocked to him. His whiteness played a huge favor into his fame.

[@KingLarbear]

He inspired nearly all new rappers like NF. Nf is full of substance, I need him to pop out a new album

[@ppbailey1290]

It’s coming brother

[@davethangjam]

stop the cap

[@motivesasmr]

I see the influence in NF's music, but please don't downplay NF's message or fan base. He literally has his own unique style. Although he started out sounding like Eminem, he has evolved over time to his own sound, just like J. Cole and Kendrick did.

[@jalazel6447]

Man just said "Taylor Swift is full of substance"

[@astreaus0076]

@@davethangjam you probably can’t name more than 3 NF songs without google he’s a great rapper but don’t even bother checking him out if your going into something expecting it to be a copy of someone even if it isn’t you will see the similarity’s

[@jayintee]

Just like Wayne inspired some rappers who are good and bad. Eminem did the same thing, I wouldn't say it's Eminem fault because Kendrick, Cole, Big Sean, Tyler, Xxxtentacion and a plethora of others had the skill to take it to the next level.

[@lilshsjsj1904]

Eminem didn’t inspire them .. they just say that so white fans can give them money 😂😂😂

[@jayintee]

@@lilshsjsj1904 you do realize most of the people at any rappers concerts are indeed... white. Saying you're inspired by somebody doesn't guarantee you "money" you have to actually be good at what you do

[@lilshsjsj1904]

@@jayintee it all comes down to money bro .. it’s not authentic ... when they’re done saying that bullshit and drive off none of them are playing em

[@non-expertguy9805]

Tyler inspired by ye

[@raymonds7492]

Kendrick got more inspiration from Wayne then Eminem and Kendrick got inspiration from soul music and gospel too whereas Eminem has none of that. but I did heard some Em in his Control verse for sure.

[@Jane_Doe...3]

"And there's a million others just like me Who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me And just might be, the next best thing, but not quite me" - Real Slim Shady

[@Kimeikus]

They’re not even the next next thing lol

[@danrudge5997]

this video inspired me. i'm a stand up comedian and musician in the uk. going to try and learn more about exploring what my flow might be. I always counted aesop rock as my biggest white hip hop influence. But i have been affected by the em curse and you helped me open up a new investigation into the genre. anyone who wants to suggest seminal artists please. I would be grateful.

[@floweuphoria69420]

Mini from otp

[@aleksanderadriangabel6314]

Doseone, Brother Ali, Eyedea, Slug, Dessa

[@danrudge5997]

@@aleksanderadriangabel6314 I had Borther Ali already. the rest all new to me. but i'm hooked already.

[@paulneric4298]

Those rappers who're "inspired" by Eminem involved themselves in dramas so petty it's cringeworthy-they seem to think Eminem is all about the fast rap and complexity of rhymes when it should be a manner of poetry mixed with lyricism (like Kendrick does). About Eminem, his intent, in the first place, is just to make fun of those who made fun of him and doesn't want the future generations to do what he says in his music. Em doesn't intend these kids to be inspired by him but to learn lessons he instilled in his lyrics (be it Shady or Em or Marshall) and that they should just keep it real. It's not a curse, but a mere misinterpretation of what Em is here for in the first place.

[@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395]

Kendrick is garabge

[@tevingmusiclover]

@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 Your opinion

[@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395]

@@tevingmusiclover no shit. What else you wanna enlighten me with? Water is clear? Air exists? Gravity holds you on earth?

[@tevingmusiclover]

@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 I’ve just said that is your opinion why are you overreacting

[@paulneric4298]

@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 i practically want to enlighten u how much of a crybaby u are bcoz u got offended on something that u shouldn't be, ever.

[@KharlHungus]

For every 1 Em clone, there's 10 clones of mumble rap.

[@KharlHungus]

@DREW lone The one you refer to in your first sentence...

[@KharlHungus]

​@DREW lone talent > lit. but that just my view.

[@krypticunlimited6925]

“Mumble rappers” 🤓🤓

[@nickpapageorgio8529]

Bro I can’t understand shit Kodak says tbh

[@nickpapageorgio8529]

I don’t, I tried but it just doesn’t sound good to me. I like Future and some other “mumble” rappers but Kodak ain’t it for me.

[@fringeminority3224]

Put it this way Eminem made most people change genres. I was in high school when he came out. Everyone was listening to Rock and grunge. Everyone did a complete 180

[@raymonds7492]

Because he’s white and therefore relatable to the masses, he’s like Elvis for Rock or Miley Cyrus for twerking. Except Eminem and Elvis were good at it.

[@Messiah_Black]

That’s exactly what happened. Eminem basically made it socially acceptable for white kids to really listen & be into rap & hip hop.

[@rhinodonkey7339]

Irony of it is Em used to get labelled a Nas and Redman wanna be in the early days. I've been a massive Em fan since day one but he isn't the be all and end all of hip hop, we need diverse styles and unique flows or the music just don't work its like they say variety is the spice of life 💯

[@__hazelnut]

I agree with everything except for Token, Joyner, and NF. Token has stated multiple times that he did the fast rap because it was big at the time, so it was an easy way to get a fan base. If you listen to his new songs, they are not like Em at all. He rapped fast once or twice on his new album. This is the same with NF. He sings on lots of his hooks and his songs like “How Could You Leave Us” are not comparable to Em. And, once again, same with Joyner. His storytelling on “I’m Not Racist”, “Frozen”, and more are not products of Ems influence. Out of all the clones, these are the three who I think are developing more of their own style as they grow but all generally started with that Em vibe, just like Kendrick and Cole.

[@thomasmorgan9649]

"Just cause you're good at rapping, doesn't mean you're a good rapper"... damn 💀

[@xFarce]

Dumbest shit I’ve heard all day that’s like people that say their degree is as hard as STEM to make themselves feel better. True cognitive dussonance

[@waynerenolds3955]

takeoff summed up in one sentence in my opinion. the most technically gifted migo but the dude just cannot hit like offset. offset has the perfect blend of commercial value and technical skills. takeoff is like a god damn robot.

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

It reminds me of the basketball quote " Just because you're a good dribbler, doesn't mean you're a good ball handler."

[@suppression2142]

Well that's a great contradiction

[@comealsolito804]

@@suppression2142 Yeah, it's just a bullshit that sounds cool. If you're good at rapping you're a good rapper, period. Then if you're making bad music overall you're still a good rapper but a bad musician/artist overall. We've got specific terms to name things, but I guess people have to be cool with this shitty misleading statements.

[@seltobal]

I love this video because I can relate to it. I used to pretty much only listen to Eminem, and when I did, I thought that pretty much any hip hop that didn’t sound like Eminem was bad and not worth listening to. Ever since lessened my Eminem intake, I’ve been able to listen to and appreciate a lot more music. Not just hip hop but music in general honestly

[@arogueburrito]

I've had such a similar experience that's crazy. keep at it, I've explored entire other genres recently and it's a blast. I have always listened to artists besides eminem, but it's gone from like 100 a year to 1500

[@jalazel6447]

Seems like a lot of kids go through that phase, including me. Eminem is perfect for teenage boys. The anger, the sex jokes, and especially how easy it was to digest. Em really made you start to think that Rapping a million syllables a second equals being a great MC.

[@LILREMAlNS]

yeah bro i used to think any rapper that didn't rhyme every line with multi syllabics was trash😂

[@Maybehaha755]

​@@jalazel6447oh nah we got a hater here

[@Realkeepa]

😂

[@Jakecaseyy]

Eminem is one of a kind you can’t replicate it

[@Muss67]

As someone who grew up as one of the white kids who listened to Eminem, the older I got the more I realized how little I really knew about hip hop. Lucky I grew up in Pittsburgh the same time Mac Miller was blowing up and it helped me open my eyes to the rest of the world of rap. The problem these guys have is they get stuck in that Eminem bubble and they don’t leave. They might listen to Dre and guys like Royce but they won’t seek anything else out.

[@shtickeh9715]

Exactly. You 100% get why people hate his fans and they have such shitty opinions on hip hop when they don’t listen to that much outside of the Eminem bubble. Mac has done more positive for the culture than Eminem has if we’re being honest.

[@arogueburrito]

J Cole dethroned eminem as my favorite artists a few years back. Then Mac Miller snatched the crown. I used to knoe nothing about hip hop, at while Em is in my top 5 to this day, I'm so glad I started to give a chance to the genre and listen to Kendrick, JID, Cole, Mac, 21 Savage, G Herbo, Juice wrld, lil durk, Jack Harlow, Da baby, etc, etc, etc. While I think some of those names are mid at best, giving them a chance is worth ir just to say "yeah I've listened to drill, not really my thing but I got a few tracks I like" or "yo, this JID guy deserves all the praise he's cathcing latley". Not to mention having atrists on my spotify besides eminem pass 100 liked songs on my spotify

[@jalazel6447]

I would say all of the recent Eminem hate has been solely thanks to his Stans. I mean all the bad music helped but the stans are what really set him aside as a "trash" Rapper.

[@lwhite2152]

How is this Em’s problem? Em has always been a student of hip hop and paid his respects. I could understand if he were signing these people but he signed people like 50 cent, westside boogie, Griselda, D12. As a black em fan it sucks that some of his fans don’t respect hip hop like he does but it’s not his problem 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@imanigordon6803]

It kinda is because his fanbase is uplifting all of these lames and goobers

[@obba40]

@@imanigordon6803 its not. What has he to do with what his fanbase listen or dont listen to ?

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

It's almost like the " Unintentional" part completely flew over your head. Even Eminem himself has acknowledged this problem with a lot of his fanbase. No one said it's his problem. It's just an unforseen side effect that stems from his fanbase.

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

@@obba40 Because it's your fanbase. If a large portion of your fanbase is constantly engaging in unfavorable behavior, the artist has a platform to be able to reach those fans.

[@obba40]

@@musicthemusicalperson4316 since when is it my fanbase? No how is that the artist responsibility?

[@ernestziegenfelder9962]

Token was what, 17 when he made Doozy? He has some pretty deep hard hitting songs that are pretty slow paced on his last 2 albums, but nobody's gonna mention that

[@kazpaapzak8637]

You need to be influenced by more then one artists otherwise it becomes copy and paste. And that's the worst thing you can do in hip hop culture.

[@iraford5788]

Yep that is 100% correct.

[@selfishbeats]

takes time for obvious influence to disappear , for some it never has.

[@turtleanton6539]

ofc

[@TrillFiger713]

Paul Wall so dope and naturally cool y’all forgot he was white and didn’t mention him. Houston Boys Up A Million Points 😎🤘🏾🔩🍇💯

[@PopProzac]

My guy talking about token from when he was 18, have you not listened to any of his new stuff?

[@MitkoDonev]

Speed rap when it's done by Eminem is pleasing to hear in my opinion.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

exactly

[@imanigordon6803]

It’s because he’s had a career of not doing it for a chunk of his life the new rappers only know and listen to fast Eminem and Eminem creating annoying clones

[@ArmLegLegArmHead47]

Yeah because you are white and don't know what you're talking about

[@HateDevvls]

​@DREW lone Exactly. someone gets this. it's good he made the legendary album, "the eminem show" but after his first 4 albums, it feels like his only way to sell, is to rap fast.

[@__D-B__]

His fast shit has no replay value imo.

[@briank.2650]

What Hopsin said is a sad fact & it made me think. When did wanting to be like one of the greats become a bad thing? When did succeeding @ it become a worse thing?

[@shtickeh9715]

Copying is always bad

[@cryttrchallengetime7771]

​@@shtickeh9715 tell the mumble rap community that

[@shtickeh9715]

@@cryttrchallengetime7771 anybody that still uses that term unironically is out of touch.

[@cryttrchallengetime7771]

@@shtickeh9715 when say mumble rap I'm referring to mainstream rap,......but you knew that

[@shtickeh9715]

@@cryttrchallengetime7771 hopsin and Joyner Lucas are mumble rap Fs

[@communityEsc]

I respect that lil shoutout Em did on stage, that's dope.

[@marjoken246]

Em’s upbringing possessed the correct formula like a cheat code. No other white rapper will ever be able to duplicate that. Rightfully so when you try to retrace someone else’s hard work and blessing.

[@xFarce]

Yelawolf lol

[@pweezy5661]

Absolutely right. Since hip hop is dominated by mostly black males like myself, we are not extremely accepting of white rappers. Because if we’re being honest most of em are corny. Of all the white rappers that hip hop has bought us I like Yelawolf, & believe it or not MGK in like the beginning/middle of his career.

[@Chtigga]

@@pweezy5661 What about Necro, Apathy, Paul Wall, Ill Bill ?

[@jobertdesgraviers6744]

“Just because you’re good at rapping, doesn’t mean you’re a good rapper”. Interesting statement.

[@dmoneylulz]

The last part should’ve been, just because you’re good at rap doesn’t mean you make good music

[@ItsGamingFancy]

nah, his version was way better

[@LowkeyTijuana]

Same goes for just because you make "good music" that doesn't mean you can rap or be talented further than selecting a good beat. Even then the props primarily goes to the producers.

[@akeemheyward]

@@LowkeyTijuana “can rap” is very subjective tho depending on the context of what that artist is bringing to the table that makes people say “Yo such and such makes good music” you feel me? Also it doesn’t necessarily just goes to the producer because at the end of the day you still need that piece to finish the puzzle

[@leesimpson4162]

Yes but if you're a hip hop fan that's what you enjoy

[@NewAgeSlaves]

This

[@GeForce1080]

Nothing will ever match eminems 1999-2002 run of albums

[@mikebrady8802]

That whole “these guys are just copying him”. Yet every fucking thing on the radio sounds the same right now, turn up that auto tune, mumble, talk about the trap life, all off beat.

[@imanigordon6803]

Being anti mumble rap is the new lame thing though my dude. Hating what’s popular and creating something even more lame is why people make fun of KZbinr fast rappers.

[@dimitripapadinikolaus]

i‘ll take it over middle aged men bitching about how they miss real hip hop over karaoke machine ass beats

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

WHO TF LISTENS TO THE RADIO? No one from the new generation listens to the radio. They all use streaming services and other music sharing/discovery apps. There in lies your problem. You think the radio is an accurate reflection of the new generation when it couldn't be further from the truth. Radio has been dead for years. And because they have almost no listeners besides the random casual randomly tuning in, they get no feedback and it becomes a feedback mechanism. You seriously need to get with the times, dude. Because there are tens of thousands of absolutely incredible artists from the new generation. Rap/Hip Hop is literally in the most diverse place it's ever been, and there's more unique hip hop being created everyday more than at anytime in history.

[@adamdavis7314]

Eminem and Jay Z status is already solidified. There's nothing you can say to take that away from them!

[@fable2830]

Only parts of the video I don't agree with is the part on NF, bros delivery, flow etc sound nothing like what you said man sounds nothing like any version on Eminem same with Tom McDonald, I see another comment that goes deeper but seriously how do you misinterpret "I hate hip-hop" that bad, but great video still except those weird ass reaches lmao. Edit: this video went from really good to okay to do you even listen to these rappers real fast lmao every thing from 8:41 feels like you projecting your personal hate for these rappers and trying to cover it up as oh these are "Eminem clones" literally everything that comes out of your mouth after you start talking about NF is not true, heck how do you completely misunderstand Dax's skits and running gag clearly poking fun at him being a "stan". Honestly video went from okay these are some fair points to I don't know about that one chief to do you even listen to these artists video could of been a genuinely good analysis on a generation on artists but towards the middle and end turned into a I hate these rappers so I'll call them a Eminem clone and shit on them lmao actually garbage video.

[@JustRxbbie]

“Anyone with the ability to talk fast and access rhymezone can do this” spot. on.

[@Realkeepa]

😂dont think you orehe can spitt 12words a second....

[@vaasmontenegro3993]

i mean thats like saying 'anyone with the ability to sing can write can do this'. tho i get the point its uninspired

[@batmanwayne5159]

This was a fantastic video, I like how you weren’t trying to discredit Eminem’s legacy. Although I feel sometimes people sleep on Logic as a MC, and some people don’t realize that Jack Harlow said Em was a huge influence on him.

[@imanigordon6803]

Jack Harlow can like Eminem but Jack is clearly different from him which is why folks like him

[@kay-collins]

“Eminem’s legacy” lol I wish we could see exactly how many albums he would have sold if no white people bought it 😆

[@ushuaia6284]

@@kay-collins regardless of the amount of albums sold he’s still respected by hip hop greats. Only ignorant listeners make irrelevant statements like this

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

Well Jack even if he was influenced has his own originality and genuine coolness that made him different. You could tell by his voice and delivery that he hangs out with and has at least some respect for black people without him having to say it. A lot of these white boys probably think they aren't racist because they have black friends if you get me. Jack just sounds comfortable on hiphop tracks cause he's comfortbale with the people and culture. These other rappers want the culture to change.

[@DLoc-tu2yq]

Logic is slept on heavy and needs go be COMPLETELY REMOVED from WHITE RAPPER categories. Is drake a white rapper? Cole? No. Biracial bobby deserved RESPECT

[@warshallwathers7971]

*FACTS. Eminem literally LOVES and appreciates Hip-Hop + his peers like Lil Wayne, Ye, Cole, Kendrick and many who are original and wants his fans to actually listen to other rappers while the tom mcdonald type rappers literally are the complete opposite and are not about the culture.*

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Man Tom McDonald *literally* said he hates all hip hop, *on a hip hop track.* He's the WORST thing to come out of this Em clone thing by a country mike.

[@imanigordon6803]

@@MiketheNerdRanger Tom is what happens when you take the worst parts of Eminem and make it into a KZbin rapper

[@chuyozuna2398]

@@MiketheNerdRanger dude isn’t even a real rapper he’s a political activist posing a rapper lol dude is a complete clown

[@stevenmoore3381]

The Tom McDonald stuff is wild. Alot of Em’s influences were boom bap masters. Then he ripped g funk beats for years with Dre

[@MrDroid0518]

That NF portion was kinda starwman being that clip was referring to his earliest music not current. His current music has its own sound.

[@PopProzac]

I will not stand for this NF slander

[@agentbertmacklin9880]

Yeah NF is the same voice and style but not the same substance it’s like comparing two dishes with the same ingredients that taste entirely differently because of the proportions and alternate cooking methods

[@Bryan23201]

NF bein or not being the em "clone" is what it is there is depth to his lyrics in my opinion

[@motivesasmr]

I see the influence in NF's music, but I don't like when people downplay NF's message or fan base. He literally has his own unique style. Although he started out sounding like Eminem, he has evolved over time to his own sound, just like J. Cole and Kendrick did.

[@winstonbarendse3647]

I mean, "nerdy" raps has always been a thing. Being "lyrical miracle spiritual" didn't originate with Eminem, in fact, it was a hallmark of the specific rappers that he regards highly (Rakim, Treach, Canibus, etc.). I think the distasteful attitudes shown by white rappers towards the culture is disrespectful and comes off racist. It's okay for us to vocally have a problem with that. I just think we'd be making a mistake associating white rappers with multi syllabic rhyming at a fast pace. Kendrick does it too, but he's also a respectful person who loves hip hop. So does Busta, Twista and even Big Pun. The fundamental difference is, white rappers with condescending attitudes towards the culture are distasteful, and that's primarily why we dislike them, it's also why Tom Macdonald is considered the worst.

[@SpliffyHusk]

Well that’s cause white rappers come in hating the culture and try to peddle their music as “real music” because the subject matter is basically “real stuff”. But really, what is token, a Jewish kid with a nice home gonna rap about that would be thought provoking when out the gate he’s rapping only about shitting on rappers, the illest, and fucking women on tour. NF is fake deep, and it’s sad to watch. Logic is just a biter, and I’ll never let him slide after that suicide song “I don’t wanna be alive, who can relate? Wooh” Jack Harlow and mac miller are the only white rappers that have built a career in hip hop with respect.

[@winstonbarendse3647]

@@SpliffyHusk SOME* white rappers yeah, but not all of them. Also, that's not particularly what I was talking about. There is, at least to me, nothing wrong with rapping about shitting on rappers. Treach did it. Big Daddy Kane did it. Canibus did it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's the condescension regarding trap rapping and autotune. Looking down at that as "mumble rap". That's what I have a problem with regarding many white rappers, tho, some black rappers (like Snoop) also shit on "mumble rap", but when a white person does it in a black art form, it feels more like it has racist undertones. Other than that tho, if a white rapper just comes in, raps crazily, flipping syllables and shitting on other rappers in a healthy competitive way, I have NO problem with that. I ain't never been into gate keeping art.

[@sgtcreasegrease]

I think its more so referring to corny white dudes who think rapping fast and using tongue twisters means you're lyrical. Meaning, rapping fast and using tongue twisters and making that your whole gimmick. Or the whole i-can-do-mumble-rap-better-than-mumble-rappers shit. Annoying.

[@Paratet]

It's always weird to me when I see all these Eminem clones and stans because Em has always made it clear that his biggest influence was Treach and you can even hear the similarities in their flow and wordplay. He even thanked Treach when he won his first Grammy.

[@tylerlee7379]

@@SpliffyHusk I don’t understand how people have so much energy to waste being negative. I’m curious why you would call NF fake deep when he’s just a depressed dude telling his own story. It’s not like he’s just screaming IM SAD on every track lmao. And Logic definitely let’s his influences shine too much but he’s done too much in the rap game to be called just a biter. Idk man people calling all these rappers corny for so long now is getting kinda old I mean you don’t have to like them but shit they’re doing something right cuz they’re making millions of dollars and that’s something 99% of this comment section won’t ever do. But yeah logics 1-800 song was kinda wack but he actually saved lives tho apparently cuz the amount of people calling the hotline went up tremendously after that song blew up. Imagine saving a fuck ton of lives from rapping man shits crazy

[@micaiahclark]

Man, I really enjoy your vids, but do you really gotta go and trash talk Nate like that? Lol you literally chose pictures/videos of him from his pre-Perception eras, LITERALLY when he was first starting out to show how much he “tries to look like Em”. You ain’t even touched his post 2017 stuff. Am I safe in assuming you haven’t heard much more than “Let You Down”? Most of his stuff is much different than Em. More feely, more cinematic, more dramatic, more life-centered. If you’re gonna diss him like that, at least acknowledge he does more than just “Em but no bad words”, because if that’s all that you know of, you don’t listen to enough of his material to accurately judge him.

[@NessLeeAtl]

The world needed this. The "I'm going to complain about mumble rappers and bring real hip hop back" thing is wasted energy. And is usually made by people who don't know what real hip hop is to begin with

[@SpliffyHusk]

Facts, you know they’re just talking when they say Wayne’s name. Even eminem loves Wayne. People are just outside fans

[@hippohippo9490]

Hey man! I've been watching 8 videos of your channel one after another in a row and honestly... i really liked all of them, it's a really good writing and great insight of the hip-hop world that, i really like it, even if it's not my favorite of all music genres, great work! 😁 (And sorry for my English, i even edited it a little with a translator but i think that's still not stayed perfect, hope it's still readable heh)

[@hiphopmadness]

Appreciate that man ❤️

[@akafaze9873]

The ironic thing about this is "Revival" didn't have fast rap and was more focused on promoting a message/Em's opinions but it was trashed by critics. Then Chloraseptic remix drops with the fast rap and people were like "where was this Em on Revival?". So Em doubled down on the formula for Kamikaze and MTBMB. What I like about Em's fast rap vs others is that even though he goes so fast the words are clear. My brain's just a second or two behind 😅

[@tiredofthisshieeet]

Eminem will always be my GOAT

[@user-qv4fp9vm8u]

Same here

[@horrortv1877]

Agreed

[@ESTYMANAGRANIATV]

I feel like EM lyrically raised the bar after 09 when they released ''Drop The World'' and ''Forever''. Since then he has eaten every track.

[@dyloiris8876]

The only people i ever met that listen to tom Macdonald, white dudes aged 24-28 that smoke meth when i lived around a bad area of town

[@noahbenti6820]

U can't diss NF like that bruh unacceptable

[@DAventador44]

Tbf you can. Now that I've seen the comparisons and where the disses are coming from I get what they mean, but he's getting better as time passes

[@jewmaxin1984]

Atmosphere, Evidence, The Grouch, Mike Shinoda (half Japanese), Struggle Jennings and Paul Wall are a few examples of white rappers that stand out maintaining a formula and style of their own

[@seankiesling2054]

Lol evidence and EM actually had a somewhat notable beef in the early 00's

[@spidermna9435]

Necro, vinnie paz, celph titled, apathy, ra rugged man, diabolic, I'll bill sabac red, goretex too. They all have their own style and are heavy hitters. Underground legends

[@donswayze7587]

Mac Miller set himself apart for sure. Rip Mac 🙌🏿

[@LosHitman]

Mac didn’t even fast rap rlly he was more in the experimental “nerdy” guy rap with guys like Tyler the Creator, Aesop Rock, and JID

[@donswayze7587]

@@LosHitman yeah i think Wiz had a bit of an influence on him too.

[@mysteriousmusik]

THANK YOU for this. This video encapsuates so perfectly the way I feel about Eminem fans. The line about "They don't like hip hop they just like Eminem" rings sooo true.

[@raymonds7492]

So Eminem is the Nissan GTR of rap basically.

[@Johngalli.A]

​@@raymonds7492more like some lamborghini

[@Realkeepa]

😂just make a rap battle with him...me.skill

[@jreamzzz8486]

Jack Harlows a HUGE Stan. He's even said he doesn't like people disrespecting em. 😤

[@LacourseK999]

Nf has stated hes not a Christian rapper. He just believes in god and refuses to curse.

[@PickleRickSanchez]

People hate on NF by calling him an Em clone, but he sounds way different imo. Perception and The Search are 2 amazing albums by NF. It’s just different from what most people listen to, so they discard it without much thought

[@josuefuentes4047]

I like NF bc of his delivery and his story telling. And so what if he "sounds" like EM like he's just telling us his life like EM told his, so why go criticize someone for doing something to better themselves. Not only that, he ALSO had HOPSIN AND TECH N9NE on his most recent album CLOUDS MIXTAPE.

[@nate_thegreat313]

I was heavy on NF but slowly drifted away from him because everytime I listen to him, I can hear the Eminem influence where I be questioning if Em is actually on the track.

[@nogoodkeister9251]

Just listened to NF cause of this video. He’s absolutely fantastic.

[@Jeissecastillo]

NF is super dope. But the way he was portrayed in this video is much to be desired

[@judgmentday1210]

No.

[@nogoodkeister9251]

@@Jeissecastillo agree. I think the creator of this video saw NF as an easy and safe target. It says more about the content creator than it does NF. Dudes a coward.

[@06TKO]

@@nogoodkeister9251 let me guess, you’re white and think mumble rap is garbage.

[@06TKO]

@@nogoodkeister9251 yup I was spot on.

[@enzi42]

i hate that people compare joyner hopsin and Em like if you’ve listened to any of them sure it’s similar but isn’t that what a fucking genre is? they’re all very different with what they find as their respective motivations. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@opc5045]

Yeah there are differences in their music but too often when you listen to them it just sounds like you listen to Em that's where the problem comes in, I really like Joyner but even as a fan I can see it.

[@imanigordon6803]

They sound way to similar my dude. Joyner has fast rap curse and Hopsin got the shock value curse both from Eminem’s playbook they going way to hard with it too.

[@xFarce]

People think horrocore and alternative rap is solely Eminem and everything else is a rip. It’s lazy and consumerist.

[@deathbond2780]

I mean this unintentional stain in legacy is also applicable to lil Wayne and the super drugged up autotune sound cloud era that was the 2017s. But Wayne and em are in the goat conversation and that shouldn’t lower both of them

[@fuosdi64]

Exactly! Like Wayne influenced all that TRASH 🗑️ Of 2017-2019 Soundcloud era crap. at least the Eminem clones have technical ability. Those other people Wayne experienced could even rap and relied on the beat

[@caydenl.4878]

@@fuosdi64 omg we got a lyrical miracle spiritual stan in the comments watch out

[@fuosdi64]

@@caydenl.4878 When did I ever say I liked it? It's not black or white like that, just because I'm shitting on those terrible Soundcloud rappers doesn't mean those fast rappers make good music. I just said that in terms of technical ability they're much better than those terrible "mumble rappers". Also you're replying to like nearly all the comments in this section defending this garbage 😂

[@deathbond2780]

@@fuosdi64 bro the lyrical spiritual shit is annoying asf too em hates that shit. There’s some bangers from the sound cloud rap stuff but it’s cringey as a whole. Like that whole scene is dead now

[@fuosdi64]

@@deathbond2780 Honestly the Soundcloud stuff was worse in my opinion because those guys were running around thinking they were 2pac and dissing rap OGs for no reason 😂 that was such a shit era for hip hop. "Clout rap" or whatever. Good riddance lol. But I do agree the "lyrical miracle" guys are annoying too, luckily it seems like they don't really exist anymore either. I don't know why they tried to group Logic in with them though because he genuinely has some good albums. 🤦‍♂️ The others though, shit yeah they are terrible lol

[@brooksseverson9452]

NF is nothing like Eminem, he talks about personal issues and thoughts that many people go through today. At the same time he lets the world know that music is an outlet how he deals with it. So many rappers these days mention Eminem as an influence to them. But to say that NF is a clone of Eminem isn’t true, he’s more personable in a sense. Listen to the song Therapy Session, that song hits on another level. Other than that, great video

[@GURKENGOTT]

I also used to hate rap but eventually started listening to em. Thankfully, I got into g-funk, then boom bap, and then even trap, so I didn't become a diehard em fanboy. But damn, this video kinda opened my eyes. Great discussion.

[@lethologica9020]

10:42 Holy, the Pupils and Cornea bar.

[@TheMaverx]

I don't even know how many other iconic rappers who we can make the same video about from every single genre of rap music but there's only one big difference and that's race. Thanks again for making it about the color of someone's skin.

[@selanryn5849]

🙄The next one is going to cover Lil Wayne.

[@Kal-El207]

He’s not wrong. Stay hurt.

[@musicthemusicalperson4316]

Because race is an extremely important factor to consider when analyzing things from a sociological lense. It helps us to better see our blind spots, be accountable, and prevent implicit discrimination.

[@cynclairewoods4225]

Dude Em himself has pointed out how race played a part in his success

[@Dave-bo1yk]

IMO,the basic assumption in this video that Influence = copy is false and arrogant. NF is infuelced by Em but he has his own lane which obviously you didnt want to focus on so to make your point. Nate's vulnerability lyrics, singing voice, cinematic beats are different in all hip hop culture and no way like Em. NF influenes many other rappers around the world too with his own lane too, it is just that he doesnt go out and trash on them.

[@thomasbeemer912]

"Vulnerable lyrics" was a prominent aspect of Eminem's music during the Recovery era, as were "cinematic beats" - just listen to Not Afraid or Space Bound. Also, while NF's singing style might be different than Em's singing style during that time period, pop singer - placeholder hooks were very common throughout Recovery. He might not be an exact replica, but he essentially copied Recovery era Em's basic formula. The video is also trying to make the point that NF doesn't seem to be influenced by any other rappers and therefore doesn't have that great of an appreciation for Hip - hop culture. To excel in practically any area of music, you have to be inspired by more than just one artist.

[@Dave-bo1yk]

@@thomasbeemer912 @Thomas Beemer please listen to hate my self, paralyzed, let me go. NOTHING like Em. Not affraid has no cinematic beats compared to Intro1 and intro 2 the search. The voice is totally different. Nate's voice is more gentle and still aggressive and the delivery is different. I have hugh reapect for Em and i know Nate's main influence is Em but Nate has different styles Em didnt use. Listen again to hate my self and tell me it is Em's influence. It is not. But these are just some examples. There are many more. I believe he is compared mainly by the look and how he sounded in 2010. Buttom line he was influenced by Em no deny but he took it to another level and to his own lane. This is why i said the assumption is wrong he didnt copy- paste his style, but built a different product.

[@Dave-bo1yk]

@@thomasbeemer912 Story is just anothe level of art. I recommend you hear it. Im sure you will love it.

[@thomasbeemer912]

@@Dave-bo1yk I appreciate your response, but my brother was a massive NF fan and used to play his music constantly when I was younger, so I can say with confidence that I've listened to a considerable amount of his music and have a pretty good idea of what he does. My whole point was that he may not sound exactly the same, but he uses the same approach to making music. Not Afraid's instrumental might not sound exactly like the instrumentals on the other two songs you mentioned, but they're all intended to be "cinematic" in some way. Also, I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say that his voice is more "gentle", because in all of the songs that I've heard, he's yelling while rapping, just like Eminem used to do and still does to this day. And thank you for the recommendation, but I've heard Story and it's not really as artistically next - level as most people make it out to seem. I don't mean to sound insulting, but the idea of storytelling in Hip - hop is not a new concept.

[@Dave-bo1yk]

@@thomasbeemer912 i respect yout opinion. Music is subjective, and for me the fact that im heavily relate to Nate and less to Em is an indication that they are different.

[@huzle146]

I agree with what you're saying but, I disagree with the NF statement. His songs discuss mental health and actively bring awareness to it. He is really talented and doesn't boast about being a "lyrical rapper".

[@mylifecringe4943]

I can respect that, I don’t like him because of how repeltitvd his songs are, they all are different yes but have the same overlying mentally fucked underdog Montra, it’s like eating the same exact food every day, even the best dish can become boring and stale with overindulgence

[@anothergamingchannel2656]

Yeah I agree. There were a few of those rappers he labeled corny and Em knockoffs that I actually think are decent. I guess I can hear in their music they're obviously influenced by Em, but I feel like they also combine it with their own style as well, so I don't really see them as "Em clones" but there were also a few he labeled as corny that I agree with and think they do just try to rap like eminem and it's lame. In response to your comment, NF is one that I would agree with you on.

[@jinxy438]

@@anothergamingchannel2656 token and Hopsin should have been given some more respect, same thing for Joyner

[@Jeissecastillo]

Yeah. Even tho he says on the video that these other rappers rap fast with no substance. Yet NF DOES talk about things of substance.

[@myjciskate4]

​@@Jeissecastillo I've listened to his whole catalog. It's just way too corny for me, and I just don't think he's that good. I don't think his lyrics are that good, and I think he's incredibly basic, sorry. I think a large part of the hate has to do with his fanbase. A large portion of his fanbase are people who are white and Christian (not that there's anything wrong with either of those things) that either don't listen to rap otherwise or only listen to a few other people, and get into his music because he's religious and his faith impacts his music in a big way - whether that be through talking about his faith or not swearing. Some of these fans (who are hopefully a vocal minority) are the type to say things like he makes "real rap" and say stuff about how people who don't like him just don't enjoy listening to people who "make them think" and will generally point out a few popular artists who aren't very lyrical as a way to warrant that. So essentially, a lot of hip hop fans find that NF fans are disrespectful to the genre and to hip hop fans in general without actually knowing what they're talking about. When it comes to the actual music, there's a lot of reasons why most hip hop fans don't like his music. First of all, a lot of people perceive things like not swearing as gimmicky. Secondly, when it comes to things like production or technical aspects of rap such as rhyme schemes and flows, a lot of people find him to be super repetitive. It also doesn't help that some of his music is very pop-rappy (Let You Down, Paralyzed, etc.) Another big portion is that a lot of people don't think he's actually very lyrical or very thought-provoking at all. On his album The Search for example, obviously one of the bigger themes is depression. A lot of his fanbase point to this and songs from the album that talk about depression as an example of the "real rap" stuff. But the issue is that depression is something that's talked about A LOT in hip hop. Guys like Saba and Earl Sweatshirt for example are fairly prominent, well-respected artists that have made albums centered on depression and grief that are much more personal and in-depth. Most people just don't feel like his music brings anything new to the table with what he's talking about. Hope that helps. I'm not an NF fan myself, but a lot of people close to me are and I've listened to most of his albums extensively since I love talking about hip hop with friends and family regardless of what they're into. He certainly doesn't make bad music. Most of his stuff is definitely listenable. But there are absolutely valid reasons for why most hip hop fans aren't into him, whether that be because of some of his fanbase or due to the actual music. He's too direct. There's a lot of skill in putting together vivid descriptions through visuals, metaphors, etc. A lot of his fans say "that's deep" because NF directly tells them "I'm depressed and sad". There's nothing wrong with enjoying that music, but there's a ton of artistic skill in not being this straight forward. And the few times NF has tried it's just......bad, simplistic, very cringy, and very corny.

[@BruvahSulaiman]

"Invincible, lyrical, miracle man huh, But back to the matter at hand" I thought of that Nas line when you kept saying lyrical miracle.

[@littunes4284]

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[@rafaelchavez4993]

Token is having an interesting character arc with his new release PINK IS BETTER. I think he's a breath of fresh air and I can see him getting better and more varied.

[@king6595]

This is the most accurate description about the em effect for the hip hop culture

[@grinchoi1]

I'm glad you brought this up. I grew up in the era when Em first dropped. He was at his peak for me in 2002 The Eminem Show years. He had the perfect blend of wordplay, subject matter and flow. After that he lost himself due to his own personal struggles n figuring himself out as an artist. Couple experimental albums with weird voices etc until he landed on the rappity rap style. I don't particularly care for Em rapping like this. Although Em is still sick lyrically it was a complete overemphasis on the syllables and complicated rhymes that it gave way to subject matter (sometimes he wasn't even saying shit) and flow. Sometimes less is more. The best example of this is Pac. He dumbed down his flow on purpose because it was much more impactful to the listener and in every song he wanted to get his point across. Every song of his had intention. Pac didn't just rap just to rap. If you listen to Pacs earlier works it sounds like the prototypical NY hip hop from the late 80s (Case of the Misplaced Mic etc). He could go back to that style if he wanted to like on Got My Mind Made Up but deliberately chose not to rhyme like that. To add on Pac didn't have standout bars from his verse but his verse stood out as a whole because it showed Pacs versatility in styles. Similarly, I think Em needs to go back to that style that made everyone love him as an artist. But I think his mind is stuck in doing complex rhyme schemes he wouldn't feel fulfilled dumbing down his rhymes. My favorite verse from Em most recently is his verse on Caterpillar with Royce. Em murdered that verse n didn't need to do his fast rappity rap style for that. Also check out Crank Lucas's videos. He does the best job parodying Em's old style vs his new style..His videos are great

[@TheBatman801]

Music is subjective and I think that Eminem’s past couple of albums have been absolute fire. Also Conway was one of my top listened to artists last year and I found out about him when he signed to shady

[@nolesy34]

Deborahs smash hit is only the beginning was a good start to the new wave of rap because after that we had beastie boys, def jam, vanilla ice ok maybe not but house of pain..

[@c.h.d.studios.1665]

i dont like what you said about NF

[@PakcoF]

This all facts. It’s hard to break that mold. That’s why I feel the big artists have a broad range of musical / artistic influences

[@startervisions]

What was that one Hopsin song with the mumbling and the autotune?

[@avonbeatzdale7416]

No Words

[@startervisions]

@@avonbeatzdale7416 fye af

[@NIKKI-1979]

This is for anyone new who may want to take the NF journey as we call it because he intertwines his music like marvel movies. All four albums is like a connected series. For instance in his when i grow up song, paid my dues, leave me alone, and why song, the black smile is the fake smile that he mentions in therapy session song. He hides eggs in his videos. In when i grow up song there was two hidden eggs in that song. A black balloon by the trash cans and in burger joint he grabbed at receipt that had the date and time of when his song time was being released. He had outcast name tag on in the janitor part from his Outcast song. Another example is in the search song he had cage in background he rapped in from his outcast song. Here is the song order: Mansion Album: All I have (video) Intro (video) Mansion- connects to intro 3. Fear moved in. Wake Up (video) Paralyzed Notepad (video) Therapy Session Album: Intro 2 (video) all album singles written on wall. Calls out wake up single. Therapy Session (video) Very important song. Explains the black smile. I just wanna know (video) How could you leave us-(video) have tissues nearby. Song about his mom dying from drug overdose. Real song- (video) he pays homage to lil wayne in this song feed me rappers or feed me beats) Grindin ft Marty (video) Oh Lord- this song gets referred to in returns two albums later. Great song Statement (he pays homage to eminem and drake in this song) Warm Up -single (hype song) (video) Epiphany- collab with futuristic. Video. Pays homage to meek mill. Green lights (video) pay attention to what he has written on the notepad at the end. Perception Album: Outro (video) pay attention to the video. It is like marvel endgame how he connects tons of previous videos in this. Intro 3 (one of his best songs) connects to mansion single. He battles fear. Outcast (video) Know- pays homage to eminem and 21 pilots Destiny One hundred Let you down (video) watch to the very end! If you want love (video) Remember this- 💎 Gems all over this track Single: No Name. (Video) This gets connected in leave me alone song an album later. Single: Why- (video) NF pays big homage to Big Sean as he uses his flow from bounce back in this and mentions Big Seans name and his album I decided. (This isnt nates flow he says) Also he has a ton of eggs like Dont mess with real music written on walls. Pay attention to all the writing. Additionally, Big Sean paid homage back in harder than my demons song he had the black balloons in it among other things Search Album: Whole album should be listened to but you can choose which you would like to do: The search (video) homage to kanye west When I grow up (video) Leave me alone (video) connects to no name single. He called fame back. Change My stress Nate Time (video) Returns- (hype song) one of his best for flow switches and word play- connect to oh lord single Only Let me go Interlude then I hate myself song I miss the days No excuses (hype song) Like this Options (hype song) Thinking Trauma singing only song. Amazing Paid My Dues (video) It was to the awful article rolling stones put out because the writer was a big chance the rapper fan and was pissed NF took number one spot. Over 400 people bashed that writer in the comments lol Chasing -demo he did with a fan. Clouds the Mixtape- Clouds (video) Lost ft Hopsin (video) Story (video) That’s a Joke (pays homage to J Cole) Just like you Prideful Layers Drifting Trust ft Tech N9ne Also there is many good songs not on this list like Dreams, you’re special ect if you like him then take the time and go back through and listen through them all at some point.

[@arthurseye]

Nah we're good. Thanks tho

[@NIKKI-1979]

@@arthurseye You speak for everyone? This list is good for people as I put things like how he paid homage to Kanye West in the search single. Some new hip hop fans may not catch those times NF pays homage or his hidden eggs. Etc

[@offlinemode7591]

@@NIKKI-1979he definitely speaks for everyone

[@NIKKI-1979]

@@offlinemode7591 ?Do you know how dumb that sounds? NF is streamed billions of times. He is not speaking for “everyone” 🤣

[@offlinemode7591]

@@NIKKI-1979 nf is so dogshit idc how many times he’s been streamed lmaoo. i’d rather listen to lil pump ngl

[@lukemadams]

How embarrassing that copying Eminem was embarrassing 24 years ago and people still try it thinking no one will notice

[@fabricator.cap.hill.seattle]

This video was exceptionally well done. The points made and the examples that followed were well written and edited.

[@dramatyst5661]

All em gotta do is drop and album entirely produced by DJ PREMIER AND/OR PETE ROCK. You know how many real hip hop heads would be happy about that .

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

that's not true

[@MsTwilightSpeaks]

Lmao 😂 7:13 Lyrical miracle 😭

[@mojalefamokoena7981]

I love this video....Em is my favourite artist man but these rappers make me cringe...I mean I've liked some of their songs but this has to be said and they have to hear it

[@junyaiwase]

NAHHHH THAT LYRICAL SPIRITUAL MIRACLE INDIVIDUAL VERSE GOT IT LMAOO

[@Yellow13200]

That was Filthy Frank. Joji

[@xlunxcyx8172]

Joyner deserves everything he's got and built. Joyner has done more than sound like em. Same as Hopsin.

[@percivalomerta1290]

And Nf is on a another level bro his lyrics have meaning.

[@ashleycomer6119]

I agree. Those who listen to nf are there for the meaning and emotion in the lyrics. I think people should keep calling nf a Christian rapper because hes just gonna come out with a song about that and out sell other rappers!

[@gabriellobo-berg9322]

@@ashleycomer6119 He's gonna sell out the other rappers goes middle america is filled with hyper religous weirdos🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bemlok]

For me the machine gun diss is the best example of old em, and I'm not talking about all his personas, I'm talking about the skill. He doesn't need a persona to show the skills. In the diss he's not rapping fast, he's not screaming. It's pure lyrics, flow, comedy, creativity, everything is there.

[@suppression2142]

Brother you are misrepresenting NF and Token at a disgusting level, NF especially bro at least the modern NF you cannot say he's anything like eminem his story telling and content is much more deep than you think it's not lyrical miracle nonsense I'd hardly call NF a lyrical rapper his stuff has real meaning and depth to it.

[@Frank7489]

Don’t get me wrong, I too dislike most of the rappers accused in this video but, it seems like being angsty, rapping fast, and using a lot of syllables, are qualities that are just too general to accredit one person for being the cause of. Eminem’s influence is undeniable but, overall this vid had a lot of reaching

[@dboy4034]

Kendrick Lamar was never an em copy cat, he sounded more like lil Wayne and Jay z in the beginning and it only took 1 or 2 mixtapes for the kdot sound to become original