Eminence Governor vs Celestion Vintage 30 - Speaker Shootout

I checked out the Eminence Governor and shot it out against one of my favourite Celestion Vintage 30 - an 8 Ohm model from the year 2000.
Here are the IRs mentioned in the video: www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/9x0e3g...
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Time stamps:
00:36 Intro and Test Setup
03:37 Playthrough
14:31 Final Thoughts
Signal chain:
2016 Mayones Duvell 6 Standard with Dimarzio Titans
Lichtlaerm Audio King in Yellow OD pedal (occasionally)
EVH 5150 III 50w
Marshall 1960 AV
Eminence Governor and Vintage 30s from the year 2000 (both 8 Ohms)
Shure SM57s
Rupert Neve 511 500 series preamp modules
Audient ID24 mkII converters
Reaper
KZbin
Your crappy phone speaker
your ears

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Take a shot everytime I say "here" in the post-playthrough section of the video and prepare to die... If you survive, check out the IRs here: www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/9x0e3g7e0vmp3cn3qn7cs/h?rlkey=8m59elnty47mmn8t8ee7i5s2g&dl=0

[@JimijaymesProductions]

Going through these shooutouts for a second time, one thing I notice that I notice with IRs too is the compared to most speaker the v30 has a steep roll-off into that massive high mid peak. It's something I often do eq wise both live and recording when not happy with the cut of a speaker. A resonant low pass often works really well, the v30 almost has it built in but very aggressively.

[@musick777]

Thanks for the IRs!

[@user-jq4fz6co8b]

Ahhhh yes..the Governor! So underrated. I had a set in my Hughes and Kettner cab, and if they weren't so damn heavy, I'd have kept them. We need to petition a neodymium version of these to be made because they are absolute gems.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

That is a GREAT idea

[@PascalM-ld9xn]

I love that dark Tone 😍

[@patrickfouhy9102]

Quickly, right off the bat, yes those graphs are standardized, in the way they gather results, but not in the way they are represented. They are also standardized using a signal that has little to no bearing on a guitar signal unless you know what you're looking for. For instance, a speaker's response changes based on how hard it's being pushed, and these tests are generally only run as a specific volume. Some frequencies are exaggerated at higher volumes and reduced at lower volumes. The distance also matters, typically when putting a mic on a guitar cab you'll put it real close to the speaker creating a proximity effect that exaggerates the low end. The range and scale of the graph is also important, if you just look at the graphic, you would come to the conclusion that the Governor has a much bigger spike, when really it's not. If you look on the Y Axis on each graph, you'll see that the Celestion graph starts at 50db, and goes up to 110db, while the Eminence graph starts at 70db and goes to 110db. But, both speakers full frequency range starts around 75db, and spikes around 105db, the Eminence graph starting at 70 just makes the change look more dramatic compared to the Celestion. Also, if you compare the V30 graph to the Governor, you'll see that the spike of the V30 is at 2.3k sitting around 107db, with a dip to 103db at 2.8k, and another bump to 105db around 3.2k. The mid bump of the Governor peaks around 108db at 2.2k, with a similar dip to 106db around 2.8k and much smaller bump back up to 107 at 3k. The spike at 2.3k isn't what bothers people when they hear the V30, it's the cut at 2.8, it's a deep enough cut that it makes the 2.3 and 3.2 sound much more exaggerated than they are. Almost creating a notch filter. The Governor's smaller second bump avoids this. Keep in mind dB is not a standard unit of measure like an inch. It's a ratio. Every 10dB is generally perceived to our ear as being twice as loud. So going from 107dB down to 103dB can be thought of as being almost 40% quieter relative to one another. So the fact that the Governor doesn't spike back up as high at 3k is most likely to reason for the more smooth sound. All that being said, none of that REALLY matters because you are not using the same microphone that is used in those tests, and each microphone also has it's own frequency response curve that can effect that real world outcome. In the real world we also have the option of moving the microphone around to different locations on the speaker, at any distance or angle we want. All of these things can flat out negate the information of the speaker graph. haha.

[@zanthraxus]

The Eminence is probably the one I could listen to all day in the background and it would be less "tiring" - but if you turn it up (for me) there simply is something missing that the V30 undoubtedly has. Great shootout as always! Cheers!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Cheers, buddy!

[@amirtak9886]

I loved the governor in this comparison. Its sounds clear and articulate compared to the V30. Now I'd love to see it compared with a private jack and wizard. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@jaychen2000metal]

Wgs retro 30!

[@amirtak9886]

@@Booneville2024 that's true. The only speakers I like are the 8ohm private jack and dv77 from eminence.

[@PascalM-ld9xn]

I have Vintage 30 but in your démo the Governor is more precise and less tiring for my taste, thanks for the irs, great Tone ! 🎸😉

[@TheRealRoadhog]

I've been using Eminence speakers since 1976 if memory serves me. They came stock in my Ampeg amps. Back then I ran a VT22 with a 2 X 12 extension, in tandem with a Ampeg V4 which powered 2 of Ampeg's legendary 8 X 10 cabs. A few years back I purchased four of the Governors and couldn't be happier. From your post you seem to be very appreciative of their website, I was blown away but their tech support. Great video.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thank you! Yes! I am thoroughly impfessed with Eminence

[@OTTOAUDIO]

As always, I'm here for this!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

My guy

[@tete1805]

The combination of the two is amazing!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I know, right? Their differences in high end mesh really nicely

[@tete1805]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Absolutely!

[@RCGreven]

Sounds closer to a creamback than a v30. Cool test, thanks!

[@adama2562]

I love this speaker combination. it's what I use, and when I add the eminence cv7516 its way more sonically complete. Freaking awesome!

[@giominor88]

Great video. As always :)

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Cheers, George!

[@lukzriffs1564]

They Match awesome together!!! Thanks for the awesome Content, liiiiiiiike 🤜🤛

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Cheers, bro!

[@thompson4620]

Sea Sheppard! Represent! Awesome video, as always!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thank you!

[@andrewbecker3700]

Another great example of how unless your after something specific, the Vintage30 is really hard to beat. I personally prefer a 212 cab with 1 Creamback and 1 Vintage30 combined. It balances out nearly perfect for almost any genre or style. If you need more raspy breakup, mix a Greenback and Vintage30 together for the Priest or Scorps tone. Those 3 models of Celestion speakers are all you should ever really need. Everything else I've ever tried or heard, did nothing those 3 can't already.

[@resington]

Wildly different! Great comparison.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thanks for watching!

[@patrickfouhy9102]

On a total side note, I really like your playing. I've hated the sound of the V30 ever since I got my first Boogie 4x12 back in 2006. I didn't identify it as the issue until many years later though, I went through so many amps and cabs and pedals trying to fix it. The V30, to me, is a good compliment speaker to something else. Much like using 2 mics on a single speaker to have a "bright" and a 'dark" mic, you can have a bright and dark speaker. The V30 is great to use as the bright nasty sound to mix in with a speaker with a nicer sounding low end that might not have enough bite to push through cymbals and stuff in a mix.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thanks, man!

[@purpled4864]

good shit! i could see why people prefer v30s as I do think they are a little more versatile in terms of dynamic range. For guitar I run a matamp green 2x12 loaded with eminence wizards (think governors but even more gritty) on top of a peavey 8020 to get some treble and mid definition into the sonic sludge that comes out of the two 10"s and the 18" from the peavey. works like a dream!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

That rig of yours sounds AWESOME

[@visionswords5477]

Trying these IRs out in a mix is actually a pretty enticing idea...be careful what you ask for! 🙃

[@moisttowelette5353]

My favorite speaker. I've tried other combinations but I always come back to 2 governors on the top row, mixed with different speakers on the bottom.

[@DunderHead.5000]

Which speakers on the bottom?

[@GuitFiddlerOntheR00F]

Nice job on the comparison! After listening through my Galaxy Buds Live, I can safely say that the V30 is legendary for a reason, and the Governor has this grating raspy prescence that i dont like. I really want to try the CV75's. I have a pair of Eminence V12's (16 ohm) in a 2x12 Cab and feeling the itch to try something new.

[@jamanjeval]

I know @SpectreSoundStudios likes to constantly complain about the vintage 30, but what I’m getting from your videos is that there is a reason it is so popular: it just sounds good. I’m surprised how it’s consistently my favorite. I’m also amazed at how some can sound similar when playing clean but distortion really brings out their character. These demos really reinforce Glenn’s belief that speakers can make a huge difference in your sound.

[@jdturner]

His whole business model is complaining

[@nickharper8145]

Love what I hear from the Governor. I almost acquired a couple a few months ago but ended up going with the CV75 from Eminence instead.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I really need to get a CV75

[@nickharper8145]

I really like them. I have a couple paired with two Celestion g12k-85 in a late 80s Peavey VTM 4x12. I have tossed around the idea of swapping the Celestion for Swamp Thang. I will have to save more and ponder. ​@TheOtherJohnBrowne

[@austinfailz]

Holy icepick ear fatigue, Batman! The Vintage 30 is very piercing.

[@danielbelensky5513]

Wow, great comparison as usual, your playing just fine, don't worry. as for Governors vs V30.. Your graphs and samples in the video showed pretty much same thing that I experienced in real life after swapping V30 for Governors in my two Diezel 4x12 cabs. Governors have more open top end(you called it brilliance,) mids are less spiky than v30, but at the same time they more open and detailed (like there is more air in between harmonics, so governor sounds wider. Low end is similar, but in real life I felt that V30 low end is a little more blurry, where as governor is more defined and bold what I never liked about V30, is that they often seem to have more squished congested mids, and have this "way too close to your ear" effect, like some fuzz pedal do, so speaker sounds kinda tired and worn out. Governor sounds in v30 ballpark but more like v30 that was recorded and produced with some fixes in mixing console... I mean if we compare your raw recording tone in this video vs lets say " Killswitch Engage - The Signal Fire", I feel that governor is a little closer to that tone than v30. obviously I don't think that KSE guys use governors, but mixing engineer adjust guitar sound so end result it more "Governish". For me personally Governors worked better in live playing situation: amp is more sensitive to settings(so I can dial them better), that "wider mids" thing helps with clarity. if I had to point downsides of governor, I think it sounds more aggressive, pissed off, abrasive, whatever you wanna call it, it might not work in every single situation. lets say you want more of classic rock blurry lo fi tones, v30 can do them a little better, just because is less HD. governor will always had that modern HD twist. It's like 1080 vs 4k video. Once I tried to Mix speakers (V30 + Governors or Governors+G12K100), didn't really like the results, seems like this Mixing speaker from different manufacturers is like combing worst from both worlds. I know That GreenBack + V30 works great, but seems like Celestion and Eminence have their own sound, and mixing them in one box isn't the best thing I tried, so I guess, have you had 3 more governors in the cab, difference would be even more distinctive once again I wanted to say thank you for fair and actually great comparison. your speaker sound pretty much what I hear from my speakers. unfortunately there are plenty videos comparing V30 and governor, and somehow often governor sounds like shit (mic placement I guess), I always ask myself, WTF is wrong with those guys. cause I know for a fact that Governor is a hidden Gem of speakers, however brand new speakers will require some break in(out of the box the seem to be very stiff )

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Hey Daniel! Haven't seen you here in a while! Always appreciate your insightful and detailed comments. On subject of other Governor videos: I was very surprised how good it sounded to my ears because I didn't like it at all in many other videos I checked out before.

[@danielbelensky5513]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah, I hope your videos will help to open eyes for some V30 fans. I love governors but sometimes it felt like I'm the only person on whole youtube who swears by them. lol.

[@DunderHead.5000]

It's like Duncan Distortion vs Dimarzio Distortion pickups. Both companies have their own sound going on. From my understanding though, the guitarist for Faith No More had a Duncan Livewire in the bridge and an EMG 60 in the neck, so mixing brands isn't always bad.

[@danielbelensky5513]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I remember you were wondering about governor in the mix.. well here is some home made example I made. Not much processing, just very gentle EQ here and there, software drums, Diezel Herbert and Diezel cab , governor speakers, SM57, R121 mics, Fender P Bass through Ampeg SVT plugin kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4bIlKGmnMaleqcsi=BVvJ-ESUPa2B2X-3

[@ruhrpottflo2249]

Love the midrange of the V30 more.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

It's the gold standard for a reason

[@chrismonaut]

As always thanks a lot for your work. best comparisons on youtube! This one is not really for me tbh. I'm never sure if a huge part is that I am so used to v30s, but I really prefered it by quite a bit here. Interesting though - like on a lot of these videos - they sound so much more different than they look on the FFTs!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thanks Chris! I appreciate your words! Yeah, this one is quite different in the high end and I agree. It seems small looking changes, especially in the high end can make quite the difference. It's quite funny to me that most guitar spealers are spec'd out somewhere from about 75 Hz to 5000 Hz, yet it is the frequemcies above 5000 Hz, outside of the spec that appear to be so important for our perception

[@chrismonaut]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne haven't really thought about that last point too much, but you're right! Lots of speakers are rated ~75 to 5.x! Yet the differences are so big there (I mean at least for people with either good ears or who played their 4x12"s next to a drumkit with proper hearing protection). Another thing is... when you think about it there is not really an average v30. yours from 2000 sounds really good. thanks to celestions "qc" and other factors it's always a difficult speaker to make comparisons with!

[@davecooper360]

I bought a Governor brand new back in 2006 and put it in a Peavey Classic 30. I liked it well enough but later I replaced it with a Vintage 30 which had more high end sparkle and character plus good lows and mids. Pretty much made it sound like a nice little Marshall! It gave me the impression Eminence speakers sound dull and muddy but lately I've played through some really good sounding ones.. so I still have much to learn lol

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I too still have a lot to learn. I've been sleeping on Eminence for far too long

[@DunderHead.5000]

Which ones sounded good to you?

[@PascalM-ld9xn]

The Governor for me based on the démo 🎸

[@roberthastings708]

I am a fan of Eminence. Their website is, indeed, very useful. I do use other drivers with them but if I'm using a single driver i almost always use Eminence.

[@DunderHead.5000]

I was thinking of pairing an Eminence GB12 with a 'The Governor'.

[@NickLeonard]

In general, I prefer the V30, but the Governor is nice, and I can see in winning out in the right context. That gray super strat is also a beautiful guitar!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Cheers Nick! I feel the same way about the speaker. Thank you! It's a great playing guitar and somehow it looks a bit better on camera than it does in real life. Usually it is the other way round

[@Greg25815]

Good comparison man. Like to see more like this. I use Gov with others. My best couple is with Spamp Thang. Try it. Anyway, i have also older version od Gov with different label & this seems much better. Is it a wear or production tolerance? Who knows. I like it much. Waiting for more comparisons. ... waiting for Hesu vs DV77 😉😁

[@idiotburns]

My friend did this in a black Orange brand cab that was oversized, it made his three piece band sound mega, it was used all around Seattle/Tacoma

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Don't worry, you'll get your Hesu/DV77 blend eventually

[@DunderHead.5000]

I remember the early run of Governors had larger magnets than the current version. Same with a couple of more recent Eminence speakers that I can't remember off the top of my head.

[@felinekaiju4517]

I love the Eminence site for the same reason!. I might get a governor to see how it sounds with my DV-77, cant help but to never be happy with my sound.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I relate to that a lot

[@bigquen1]

I love the governor, pair it with the dv-77 and they work together amazingly.

[@felinekaiju4517]

Well that answers my question, I currently have a hempdog with my DV-77.

[@claytongouin5605]

The Governor sounds much fuller, like it covers more of the midrange. I guess it sounds more balanced than the V30, likely just due to that upper mid or treble/presence difference. Horses for courses, I suppose, but the Governor was more pleasing to me. Not that the V30 is bad, just different.

[@vmathias2023]

You should do a vid on the Jensen Mods series. Very underrated speaker.

[@behavioralsink7747]

If you can use 3/1 or some wonderful phase voodoo to show cab, room, and then cab+room that would be tremendous...

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Interesting! I need to give that some thought

[@litos_mendes]

amazing ... i would love to get a dv77 but they are so expensive in europe ... are you gonna test the mic position where the terminals meets the speaker to damp the high end like nolly said in his tone talk?

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

The DV77 is the next speaker I'll be testing. I did a quick test of that Nolly theory in my iso cab a while back and can once again confirm what Nolly claims. It didn't seem like something that would make a good video to me though

[@litos_mendes]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne thank you ... i shall try it with my v30s too

[@HamzaVLOGs]

Governor is killer in a combo amp, a bit darker and fuller sounding in person, in the room, just in my experience with my open back combos, but the ones that really seem more like a V30 are the Eminence CV75 and DV77 🔥

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Have both of those lined up for testing too

[@HamzaVLOGs]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne awesome!!! Looking forward to hearing and seeing the results!! Killer stuff you’re doing, man!!

[@HamzaVLOGs]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne another killer option is the Eminence Legend V128 or V1216, both of them predate the Redcoat series but they sound pretty killer!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I have a V128 lined up too

[@lrwarchild]

I keep both in my studio

[@jublaim]

I wonder how the speakers are wired in the cab. If any V30 are in series with Governor they are affecting eachother. Barefaced Audio got a video on this. Anyway, I like Governor but since I don't find my own V30s spikey or harsh, in fact I find them quite smooth but punchy, I guess Governor would be too smooth/dark for my liking.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Can you link me that video or help me find it? I'd love to see it. In the Marshall cab, the speakers on each side are wired in parallel and the two sides are then wired in series,

[@DunderHead.5000]

Depends on the year. Glenn was talking about it. Don't know why they started making V30's like crap.

[@DrGand]

In reference to a V30 I can actually know what these speakers you test sound like. Thank you!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

My pleasure

[@idiotburns]

1:21 when picking the speakers I paid close attention to the datasheets Eminence provides, I went with one speaker that had like a 105hz resonance and the other with 53hz and close to a harmonic as possible and was going based on conversations I had with a member of the band Ape that worked in the speaker department at Soldano in the early 2000s and his advice, guys name is slipping me

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I love that approach!

[@jcwear89]

I really like the Eminence here, more so than the V30

[@goobiecaro8135]

Celestion for me. There is a certain signature sound the copies can't duplicate.

[@K707OR30]

Comments here at head scratching to me. Governor sounds miles better than the v30. The fullness in the tone is comparable to radio bands with the Governor being FM and the V30 being AM. The v30 sounds dead compared to the governor

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Different strokes... Personally, I find it very hard to pick a favourite here. I like one bettet on certain riffs at that gain level and for the next riff, I prefer the other. To me, this is one of those either-or-questions where the correct answer is yes.

[@K707OR30]

@@TheOtherJohnBrownefair enough, as you said in a mix it could be a different story. And blended they’re a good pairing definitely.

[@jwinchester1320]

Can’t really compare these speakers they are literally apples and oranges. Which is a good thing cuz both speakers suck but when you add them together they sound great!! Between the two you get a wider frequency range. I double amps all the time only surefire way to get killer tone.

[@jaychen2000metal]

The thing about the v30 vs literally any speaker is it makes them all sound dull on video. I own the wgs reaper 30 watt and it's fairly bright but not next to the v30.

[@Findyournextguitar]

do yourself a favor and try eminence the TONKER - it was a speaker I never though I'd actaully like, until I found one locally for very cheap... blows the V30 out of the water on high gain response - at least if you want to hear the bright piercing clear highs - but it also still holds the low end very well the dust cap on it is about 5x the size of a v30 it's got the stiffness for the higher highs, but the cone baffle is loose enough to still get the low end, it's almost like a if you have mixed the v128's with a vintage 30 by it self.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I'll keep my eyes open for one

[@TheMasonator777]

The Governor is great mixed with Texas Heat.

[@sparella]

I really liked V30 for cleans here but for distortion, no thanks. Governor is nice on both.

[@lordgraga]

The smoothest speaker is you.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Aaaw. You made me feel warm and fuzzy inside

[@samizdat113]

The V30 is still the king of metal speakers.

[@charlesb7831]

I would love to get your thoughts on the Eminence DV-77 speaker!

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I'll be doing an amp video next but the DV-77 speaker is next in line for a speaker video

[@charlesb7831]

@TheOtherJohnBrowne I installed one on my Marshall JCM800 4010 combo to replace the Celeston Wolverine speaker which was so trebbly it gave me headaches. Personally it solved major issues for that amp! I wanted to get 4 more for my Carvin 4x12 cab, but the prices shot up insanely from when I bought the first one, and it might be a crap shoot putting them in this cab. I respect how you do your reviews and would be curious to see what you come up with! Appreciate the time reading this long winded post lol

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Actually, I consider interactions with likeminded enthusiasts like this as one of the perks of doing youtube, so thank you! I keep hearing that the DV-77 is a little darker than a V30 so that lines up with your experience. Yeah, the DV-77 isn't cheap. The price of Eminence speakers has gone up significantly in the recent past in Europe and the DV-77 is even more expensive than the "standard" Eminence range which is why I too have settled for buying only one of them for the time being :-D

[@charlesb7831]

@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah they were a custom buid even for Eminence standards. Extremely nicely build quality. I would agree, a little on the dark side, but has this smooth midrange bark. I bought mine new in Canada for $118.0 then about 2 months later, I go to buy 4 of them and the price shot up $225.0 a speaker and just scrapped the idea lol.

[@iancurrie8844]

I was multitasking while this video was on. Heard some guitar, heard some MUCH better guitar so I looked to see what it was. It was the V30.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Hahaha! Love it!

[@jonsierra723]

I like both together but the v30 on its own is too damn bright ( unless I am down tuning the hell out of my guitar)

[@idiotburns]

I use an pair of Eminence Legend 121 with and pair of Eminence Commonwealth and in a VHT fatbottom cab, its 750W of destruction!

[@idiotburns]

I come from and electronics background and my current obsession is Synergy gear

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

That sounds sick, man! Yeah! I've seen a lot of your Synergy videos and your cases look great too!

[@rockingirish]

Their CV 75 seems closer to the 30 but the Governor is more interesting. It’s got a low mids throaty

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I have a CV-75 here in the meantime too. I hope to test it similarly in the near future

[@BradRocker]

The Eminence is like a tamer goverened V30.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I see what you did there

[@MK-oz2lf]

I would say the CV75 is a better contender against the V30

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Guess I need to buy one of those then, eh?

[@benburnett8109]

Is there a volume difference between the Guv and the 30? Or is it the highs of the 30 giving us a percieved volume difference? Thanks for the content. I feel like it is just the tonality shifts that give the illusion of louder. Liked and subbed.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Thanks! I appreciate it. There is a slight volume difference between the two but it's pretty minor. I set the preamps when recording to give me about the same headroom. Later in editing I try to match the volumes as close to the same perceived volume as well as I can as to not create an advantage for one

[@benburnett8109]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne You did a great job. The only difference (that I could tell) was in the "volume" of the highs.........that of the 30 being "louder in highs" than that of the Guv. Thanks the the quick reply. I'm looking forward to more content.

[@jww732]

It's v30 all day long! 🙏❤️

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

It's just the GOAT at the end of the day

[@jww732]

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne I especially like the Orange 16 ohm v30! In the ppc cabinets.

[@dmytrotarasov9477]

Vintage sounds like it has a notch bump which I don't like. Governor is much more even in the higher end.

[@obicross]

I dunno about it being smoother, its the opposite in fact. Maybe in the room?

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Depends on the definition of smooth, I guess. This particular Governor really fell off a cliff after 5 kHz. I don't know if that's representative of all Governors though

[@MFKitten]

Celestion and Eminence definitely do NOT measure the same way. I wish they did. Celestion likes to obfuscate all their speaker parameters too.

[@MFKitten]

The Governor definitely has that Eminence quality that I like from them: open high end, and a more "deep" midrange. I think that's like 90% down to the high end. V30 has that treble peak that focuses most of the energy in one narrow area. Governor doesn't seem to have that, or has it in a higher range where it comes across as presence instead.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I think you've got it figured out pretty well

[@TheXxPSYCHO]

Eminence: "what if we took the V30 and made it sound like a bassless chainsaw"

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

LOL

[@HamzaVLOGs]

@TheXxPSYCHO, my Governor has more bass and low mid response than my UK V30 in an open back combo amp. Never tried in a closed back cab. I feel like their goal was optimize the V30 type voice for a single speaker combo amp. Just a hunch

[@MichaelDespairs]

Vintage 30 demolished the Eminence. V30's sound modern and cutting and sit forward in the mix.