Tank Players need to BE MORE PATIENT in Season 9... | Spectating Overwatch 2

[@charleshaines9715]

Unpopular opinion. 6 to 6 points should end in a draw. Sometimes I don't like playing a second round. I certainly don't want to play a 3rd round.

[@IZONE_FAN]

Honestly fair, after 6-6 it just gets stupid

[@Real_MisterSir]

Yep I think at that point if neither team has had the skill gap to close out the match, then it should be concluded neither team is truly better than the other. At that point it just becomes pure rng and neither team actually deserves a win/loss based on that.

[@lruddy8820]

wouldnt playing in qp solve that problem if you dont like playing multiple rounds? you nvr get multiple rounds in qp

[@charleshaines9715]

@@lruddy8820 no. I like to defend and attack. I only sometimes don't want to go a second round, depending on how the game went.

[@arminlouieedar4995]

Do the jailers still exist? They’re a different experience…

[@Real_MisterSir]

More than anything, ego is holding this player back. Unwarranted ego, faux warranted by the ability to read a stat scoreboard (but not understand it).

[@Mrkingtut]

Frfr why even tbag at that moment? Not like they 1v5 the team or prevented some ego shenanigans from the other team. It's textbook I'm not the problem and I will not look within.

[@awesomechilled9779]

i think because of how patient you need to be on tank this season, the importance of good tanks has bumped waaaay up. a good dive tank like a ball or a dva can truly elevate their team i feel. s9 has been interesting i think this might be the season we get brig zen ball comps back lol

[@nekogami87]

That and need dps and support that stops being greedy and poping their head at sub 50% hp ...

[@ramial-shujairi7042]

I heard that zen lucio is actually quite oppressive this season

[@djinscar2304]

It's more that a good tank can capitalize more. The game is still 80% dependent on the dmg role, even more now with the new passive

[@IZONE_FAN]

@@ramial-shujairi7042 Zen lucio is mega opressive, discord+dmg passive goes insane and boop is just...

[@isotopesreactor3019]

@@ramial-shujairi7042 laughs in Ana nade on cooldown and I’m going to hit it every fight

[@arkitecte9208]

Feels good to get discord orbed, anti-ed and 20% healing reduction all at once

[@pockettwo]

truly a fun time to play tank.

[@ralphforbes5807]

Tbf the anti cancels the 20% because it's 100% mitigation...but I get what ya mean 😂 discord an 20% just eats you alive when you try to do anything

[@IZONE_FAN]

Anti is less opressive this season, cant heal anyways with dps passive heh

[@arkitecte9208]

@@IZONE_FAN wait why is anti not as powerful

[@isotopesreactor3019]

@@arkitecte9208for me it’s because I’m about I swear I have to just look at the games but I swear my games have been 9/10 games vs kiriko or bap and Ana honestly gets completely nullified not countered necessarily by both. Besides bap shift all’s their abilities help in one way or another against both sleep and nade. Honestly playing Ana against bap and Kiriko is pain. IMO

[@neondead2.0.15]

This why you need secure kills, dealing damage without killing anyone is useless most of the time.

[@IVISMiLESIVI]

I Disagree. While kills are great and help the most, doing damage, especially as a dps player because of the passive, can help create space for your team. For example, shooting a widow or soldier even w/o killing them can allow your team some time before they re-peek and shoot at your team. That's why as support dealing damage is important too because you are essentially lowering the damage your teamates would've been taking.

[@remustdr246]

15:04 saw the reaper freeze getting hit with mei's left click and thought this was ow1 for a second

[@charleshaines9715]

When defending 1st point, I have found it bes to contest only after the cart has gone under the bridge, and I always drop down from the back side, never the front. And I usually let my team know I'm going to do this, so they don't feel like they have to contest.

[@Weightsss]

I’VE LITERALLY been saying ALL of this… Tanks are used to just standing out of the open, getting healed by support and doing damage. YOU CAN’T DO THAT!! 😂😂 They have a VERY smart invention called… WALLLLLLS!!😂

[@10Neon]

I don't see how widow's ult is supposed to help me avoid damage 🤔

[@Weightsss]

@@10Neon You play smarter for 15 seconds and avoid locations where you can picked off by widow… I mean… that’s what I do at least..😂😂

[@cagxplays9602]

@@Weightsss You missed the joke, widows ult is the "WALLLLLLLLLS". It was a very mediocre joke, but humour is subjective.

[@Weightsss]

@@cagxplays9602 actually…. I was going with the joke…😂😂 I should have worded it differently!😂 in my head, I sounded like KarQ because he says that.

[@W4RM4T]

I had a tank complain earlier today about no heals, and they were letting the enemy tank walk past and kill the supports. They were also just fighting in the middle of the whole enemy team. I don't think most people do know about all the changes.

[@cagxplays9602]

"let the enemy tank walk past and kill the supports". I think you mean the supports were badly positioned, just like everyone else on the team, also, it's not the tanks job to shoot at the enemy tank the whole game, there are 2 supports and 2 dps who can peel, if the tank always gives up space to turn around, the enemy team will just collapse on top of you. Maybe, just maybe, you don't actually know what you are talking about.

[@iknowimanidiotbut..2804]

What do you mean? Why would your tank turn their back to the enemy team and help you with the enemy tank? Enemy tank is 1v4 with no support because your tank is distracting them. If your team loses 4v1 idk what to tell you

[@cagxplays9602]

@@iknowimanidiotbut..2804 Right? Peeling as the tank is fine sometimes, but its very situational and usually you just ignore the enemy tank. Even if he was inting into the middle of the enemy team and dying, turning around was probably also not the play. I swear some people who have never played tank need to stop telling tank players how to play.

[@W4RM4T]

@cagxplays9602 I do play tank. I wouldn't put myself between the payload and the enemy team as Zarya. There was absolutely nowhere for our Zarya to go. I expect my Zarya not to face tank entire team.

[@iknowimanidiotbut..2804]

@@cagxplays9602 yeah it is situational. But often times it's better to ignore most tanks when they go in. Use cover and distract their team. They can't do shit by themselves

[@babygoatOW]

This reminds me of a tank I had today in comp. They played very aggressive and us supports either couldn’t keep them up or were out of LOS. I typed in team chat “tank you’re playing a little too aggressive we can’t keep you up” and they responded with “it’s not like you’re healing me anyway” lol I have a feeling they don’t know about the new dps passive or they just play really aggressive for whatever reason

[@axelt6312]

That a classic

[@snxwy3634]

support is brutal rn. I keep getting stuck with poor tanks that want to play mauga… no amount of healing can keep him up rn

[@ralphforbes5807]

Lol I legit tell ever mauga I get to switch they generally listen 😂 you can keep em up it's just...you can not look at anyone else or do anything but that an it's aids, otherwise support isn't that bad tbh

[@Gamespectives]

No one fault. Just new meta. Maybe try playing tank too. It's tough. Be patient n advice ur tank, as a support you are the best facilitator

[@thomaswestendorf9213]

I've managed to make Mauga work somehow. The poke and prod playstyle you need now was already kinda implemented last season with Mauga. Burn from the miniguns plus Ashe dynamite plus the increased damage from the critical makes that combo plus a Reaper kinda busted if you play it right. Mei also works super well with Mauga, too. The slow plus the high damage makes that combo very capable of being good. Kinda like with what Emongg brought up in his tierlist video yesterday.

[@andersj91]

Mauga is playable you just have to play corners and only hard peek when you have overdrive. He's great for long distancing picking Anas and zens with the bullet size buffs

[@joereed8872]

Baptist is your best chance because lamp can give mauga a chance to heal himself. Ideally, your tank doesn't play hog or mauga this season, but people play characters they want to all the time. Honestly the only characters I legitimately suggest swapping of immediately this season is Junk and rein. Both of which are just worst versions of other heroes right now.

[@marthajimenez3421]

I don't play Zarya much but I feel like they hardly ever used their bubbles to protect their teammates. Their Reaper could have lived longer if they were bubbled more. Positioning and bubble management are their issues.

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

this is why the scoreboard is silly. There is no stat (except MAYBE death) that consistently means something.

[@iknowimanidiotbut..2804]

Na. If I got 12k damage and my other dps sitting at 2k with 8 elims he ass. And we all need to know it🤣

[@MJyoung35]

nah this is disengenous. Stat board doesnt paint the full picture of a match but they do have some importance

[@iknowimanidiotbut..2804]

@@MJyoung35 not a full picture. I've had games where I come out of spawn to an ult twice in a row. Then one shotted by soljorn rail or widow and just miss out on 4-5 team fights

[@BloopTheNoop]

As a DVa one trick I couldn’t help but cheer for Zena in the Zarya matchup. Seeing people win that matchup is honestly beautiful to me

[@zombieskittlesgaming]

I've had only a handful to teams where the tank and DPS understand that there's a healing reduction that we can't track and support can keep them up if they are mindful of their position and health.

[@Ahilliard44]

it's funny, i've had supports flame me for avoiding their heals and getting megas. Seems a lot of people are unaware about most of the changes this season

[@zombieskittlesgaming]

@@Ahilliard44 They should be happy that you are sustaining yourself so that everyone can continue the team fight. Awful that they would flame you for that. I'm guessing they were upset for not getting the ult charge from the heals.

[@button9]

Only thing good about the passive is if I’m in an awkward spot I don’t need to jump out and find a health pack or die, I can hang out for a few seconds before relocating.

[@kanekianti-sora1666]

What does Tbag stands for in the gaming world?

[@cobalt6467]

If its after a kill: “haha im better than you (insulting) If its just to communicate: “hey dude, im friendly :D”

[@kanekianti-sora1666]

@@cobalt6467 Thankiu very mucho

[@cagxplays9602]

I'm pretty sure the T stands for 'testicle', bag means 'put (something) in', referring to the testicles in your face.

[@contentconsumer3743]

@@cagxplays9602brother it means tea bag

[@cagxplays9602]

@@contentconsumer3743 What do tea bags have anything to do with tbagging? If it does, my explanation is better.

[@JamalMoneyClover]

Why I quit playing tank for a bit

[@Ahilliard44]

yea i've been playing waaaaay more dps, it's the only role that actually feels fun

[@arminlouieedar4995]

This is so real, especially with Zen(pun)yetta roaming the comp plays… 😂😂😂

[@floydwilson3085]

This last game I played. This Orisa kept full on rushing. And spammed heals the entire game which just pissed me right off. I’m a Lucio main. And I tried rushing in with her to keep her alive. But it obviously didn’t work. So I stuck it to the team while she’d rush in and keep dying. Than blamed me and the Kirko for it

[@NightBlade117]

Im not gonna argue with Emongg's take considering im no higher than Diamond on tank, but I reallh find it hard to believe Sigma is gonna be lower than A tier this season. He has shield, an absorb, and a stun to mitigate DPS damage in order to relieve himself od the dps passive long enough for his supports to heal him. I feel that alone will help him excel in casual ranked play (not considering 5-stack team comps here)

[@wienerlover72]

emongg i just realized i’ve been watching your videos without liking them im so sorry i watch them everyday

[@corvidkusnos]

I had a tank complain about no heals when they would dive the enemy alone, not wait until they're fully healed when we'd fallen back before diving back in, not pay attention to where my healing pylon was placed despite me pinging its location many times, and they'd spam "I need healing" when my right click was on cooldown and they could've gone to my pylon or gotten a health pack. I've noticed tanks get rolled a lot more in general so far this season even if they don't all blame their healer. There's definitely an adjustment period to be had and I agree that teams in general need to be more patient.

[@Ahilliard44]

I for one don't really want to relearn how to play tank so i completely understand the sentiment being an og ow 1 player. tank this season got inexplicaply harder for absolutely no good reason. The pain points this patch was supposed to address was burst damage and burst healing....burst healing is still fully alive outside of the debuff and the debuff is making burst damage stronger than it's ever been. Well they dealt with one pain point in a weird roundabout way and it's not even fully dealt with because outside of situations where dps are shooting stuff, the burst healing is still strong as ever. So now the game is in this weird state that game to game can be drastically different due to the bandaid fixes blizzard have applied. They seem to refuse or be incapable of nerfing the damage across the board, nerfing the healing across the board, but this takes a mentallity that you want this game to be a team game. Right now, individual heroes have the capacity to kill 5 enemies rather easily, then you start stacking each of those individual heroes and those numbers start to get stupid. That's why burst damage exists. The game is balanced to be able to solo carry but is a team game....so basically they are fighting their own monster and funnily enough it isn't the first time blizzard has made this mistake. Diablo 3 had a very similar problem. Power creep becomes uncontrollable and the devs become forced to keep scaling the power up to keep the game interesting. Just bite the bullet and bring the nerf hammer down on the whole damn roster.

[@corvidkusnos]

@Ahilliard44 yeah i noticed that too. I played OW1 constantly way back when, and then stopped playing for a couple of years. Coming back to OW2 I noticed a reliance on big solo plays and less about working as a team. Even time where my team will be patient and regroup before a team fight, we'd just get instantly rolled by a single player who outputs a lot of damage and the two healers just can't keep up with it, so it feels pointless.

[@manrommav9240]

22:00 i hope we happy with what we have now

[@RepulseGaming0204]

how do we send in clips for you to watch and do this to? I have a few i would like advice/coaching on if possible.

[@SamoyedSagas]

If Emongg just looked up the new subscribe feature instead of listening to the kids from twitch chat then he might know what saying subscribe actually does.

[@V123_5]

Im high gold low plat in tank n dps, have decent aim and understanding of abilities n stuff but dont have a clue on cooldowns and struggle w positioning, gold n plat gets such bad rep because everyone blames their team majority of the time, these kind of videos are very informational and helpful, w vid as always emong👍

[@FenekkuKitsune]

Dunno why any tank player would look at damage. If anything I'd be looking at damage mitigation and deaths.

[@veiotisligon9140]

This Zayra hurts me since she is solo now you have to basically play as a Beefy DPS focus on out of place teammates and enemies otherwise you’ll just be a HUGE target

[@CursedPR]

Honestly, as a Plat Zarya, this Zarya can make it to Plat if he gets better positioning.

[@krystofon]

So Overwatch 2 is now a game where tanks make mistake by tanking the dmg... love it..

[@makenzie.s6478]

I’m silver 2 One game I drop 30+ kills and the other I get like 20 and we lose Feels like I have to kill every person in a team fight to win Any tips? Sojourn main

[@ReaderReborn]

Poke the tank but kill the supports.

[@DeesDeemone]

ok. but wheres mine?

[@original_demonic]

Farming damage and getting no kills is letting supports farm heals. That’s all you’re doing. Keep it up, I wanna progress a bunch. Sincerely, A support player

[@XDustria]

Now would be a terrible time to be learning tank...it was already extra stressful having all the tank responsibilities on just one person, but now that role is just so deep in the mud it's insane. I've been playing tank myself since s3, and this is the most I have ever struggled with it. It feels almost impossible to dive and secure kills, but if you just try to hang back and play with the team you're just getting spammed out by the tracer in your back line the whole game. It's a wildly hostile environment to try learning anything.

[@cagxplays9602]

Try learning ball, watch chazm.

[@JasonBoring]

After his name Emongg ran out of g's

[@onlyghxst04]

submitting vods where u tbag somebody is crazy

[@MJyoung35]

This season is forcing Tanks to play like DPS and IMO thats defeats the purpose of being a Tank. I get bad postioning and playing too aggressive is a bad thing but a Tank is suppose to be able to TANK damage. Like imagine playing a Mmorpg and you keep losing a raid bc your Tank cant take damage AND theyre harder to heal

[@EnergizingBane]

I can already imagine playing blood death knight without the ability to self heal

[@ralphforbes5807]

If only every tank listened to this an every other player knew their tanks had to be passive this season Also how is this tank gold...like even last season youd not get away with the majority of this lol

[@Real_MisterSir]

"If only players in low ranks listened to high rank advice, and played like high rank players, without actually ranking up so I could still have them on my team" we all got some advice we ought to be implementing in our own plays, but don't. If only the tank would position like a gm player, if only the support would target prioritize and cd manage like a gm player, if only dps would rotate and take angles like a gm player. Yep if everyone were better the games would be of higher quality

[@cagxplays9602]

@@Real_MisterSir Kinda based tbh, you can't always play like a gm player when the rest of your team doesnt keep up or do their job properly.

[@Scordizzy]

I’m happy this tank lost

[@Knifing4Dayz]

Professional hater moment

[@Scordizzy]

@@Knifing4Dayz they lost me when they started tbagging, but also not denying that I’m a hater 😂

[@KingBehaviour]

Man they did their tank dirty. They had good positioning, but the rest of the team couldn't pivot with their tank to follow up on their dps.

[@llaann676]

The thing that angers me most about low ranks is their excessive interest in stats and their lack of understanding of some heroes who obtain value in other ways.

[@charleshaines9715]

"Be more patient" ... , but there are so many games that a tank can wait all game and nothing happens. Dps taking an off angle is the number 1 thing that I have found that takes pressure off of me. (low Plat) This map, defending second point you can hold right around the tight turn of the jet. Fights won't take long enough for them to cap unless you all die. So you can back up for a long time to stay alive. Also there are stairs on that right side that go back to the jet's high ground.

[@andersj91]

Don't give a advice as a low plat lol. You should be taking height at second point not holding a low ground corner... Also you are misunderstanding be more patient. With the dps damage debjff you need to play cover harder and be more strategic with getting picks or taking space. As a plat, just listen to the advice and try to absorb and ask questions. You're not at the "give advice" stage...

[@charleshaines9715]

@@andersj91 Guess what, plat is higher than half the player base. I AM SUGGESTING to play cover strongly, and this is a great place to play and get back to high ground. Sure you can start up there, depending on your tank choice. I do take advice from watching streamers. Nearly noone in the rank that I am in gives advice during gameplay, let alone advice that I already don't know. Get off your high horse. I'm climbing.

[@AngrySecs]

​@@andersj91I mean he's higher rank than this guy in the video, so clearly he has enough knowledge for this guy to try and at least help him get out of gold. Don't be an elitist

[@Ahilliard44]

man i think this is dumb. Unless blizzard gives their word....which means absolutely nothing at this point...that this is how the game will be for the remainder of overwatch 2s lifespan then sure, i'll invest time to relearn how to play tank.......that's literally what they want from us. The placements are bs. They place you low to force you to climb.....i don't want to grind this bs patch. Tank is my role and tank feels like a shell of itself. Would much rather spend my time playing a game where i feel i can provide value. The games i win it's cuz my dps coordinated with me, the games i lose, it's cuz my team is uncoordinated and not in voice. I can kill 3 fight after fight after fight and still lose. I can't solo carry games anymore, well i still can a bit but like that's my thing as a ball player.....i got to gm 3 on ball playing a solo style that allows teams to play with me if they so choose but this style plays really well with snipers as dps or it can pair with dive. It's a pretty free flow style and that's basically been terminated with this patch.

[@sawah765]

can someone close to blizzard PLEASE beg them to disable mercy and lifeweaver in ranked? These heroes are so unbelievably bad in season 9 that it should be classified as game-breaking when players select them.

[@silv3784]

ALRIIIIGHT SO!

[@kings5223]

This tank is just the average OW teammate. Tons of ego, bad positioning, bad target priority, lots of trash damage, and then flames the team.

[@manuelhuttner6362]

How is he gold

[@spelanupersson2294]

👍🏻

[@mintybadger9908]

Hey thats me

[@daunted232]

best of luck :D

[@shiberzz]

I dont like this guy

[@Lordgreenbeard]

Yea I'm done playing tank myself you barely peek and deleted its miserable to play just give me my second tank buddy back

[@michaelcook6288]

No. Just no. Tank players need to revolt and quit playing over this obscure nonsense. I'm tired of getting death threats for wanting to play a character. Rein. Imtir3d of everything countering me, I'm tired of discord, I'm tired of bastion, I'm tired of life weaver, I'm tired of my team shooting an unkillable tank when the healers are the issue of why it won't die. We need to quit playing the game to make the ques longer and that's the only way the devs will hear our crystal. Tank players unite!

[@gus-df2bv]

shaddap cornball

[@PERPLEXCT]

As a support main, seeing this just frustrates me so much. To know that u then get blamed after for them dying 😪😪🥱