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[@kaijuu_tho]

I can try and logically explain why I don't love push, but at the core of it it's because we got the three push maps over and over when OW2 dropped and I am BURNT OUT on push mode LOL

[@MlleLurleen]

It didn't help but push has many big issues.

[@cartmansnipples]

My main problem is that every other game mode, if a team steamrolls 90% of the time, its consistently still tense and enjoyable at the very end. Theres always a pretty substantial chance to clutch out a win as a team in control and escort. Whereas in the majority of push games, if one team steamrolls but DOESN’T outright win, everyone is stuck for the next 4-7 minutes playing a game where the outcome is almost always already determined. Yes, theres a non 0% chance that you could turn it around in OT or something, but its just so rare that it feels like a waste of time to even try after a certain point. I almost always wish my team would just AFK once the enemy gets like 30 meters past forward spawn

[@CowKirbo]

Ngl that just sounds like burnout of OW in general.

[@muzankibutsuji8919]

It’s forward spawn. Whoever gets forward spawn, even if they’re ahead by just a few meters will win 90% of the time due to the nature of having to win MINIMUM 2 fights in a row to make progress.

[@mattiOTX]

I would prefer it to be more like paladins style of push. I think it's a much more fun game when compared to push.

[@reagansido5823]

I love that Bliz team actually went into the game to do an actual showcase of mag grenade going for only Mei no matter what.

[@Emuney12]

The "Overwatch should get a show" take is the coldest take of cold takes. People have been wishing for an Overwatch movie/series since the cinematic shorts released (myself included). Except now there's actual data of what a show can do for player numbers after Cyberpunk and Arcane, so there's hope for it actaully happening now.

[@deusvult6920]

It'll just be trash like the warcraft movie

[@padarousou]

​@@deusvult6920or like the halo movies

[@braxbro6674]

For the SR forgiveness thing: I'd say make it a gradual onset thing. The longer you've had a leaver in the game, the lower the penalty for losing *and the higher the reward for winning.* This applies *even if someone rejoins* as fighting a 4v5 for even one teamfight can swing the match, especially on push. However, the benefit does not affect the leaver.

[@leilanidale]

please go get hired by blizzard rn

[@Gimli1357]

This is a really good idea. In addition to this, if you're in the lead when the person leaves, it should not count as a loss if the other team ends up winning because of it. There is no benefit to anyone on the team for leaving when you're in the lead. It can still give the other team a win, but don't give me a loss when it is clearly because of the leaver. The matches that frustrate me the most is when someone leaves when we have a healthy lead, but then slowly get taken down because it's 4v5. I like to give the benefit of the doubt to the person who left that they just lagged or blizzard's Pentium II servers DC'd them. Leavers are always annoying, but especially when it was a guaranteed win if they didn't leave.

[@Relevart9169]

Surely we'll get an overwatch anime when the pve releases right guys :]

[@MilkysRevenge]

🎉

[@alfredogonzalez9420]

not having an animated series is the biggest fumble of Overwatch history, it has the potential to become mainstream again and giving fans a good amount of lore.

[@katiekaliber]

That's a wild thing to say after them selling 40 bucks packs with the promise of pve and then reversing it. I'd say not having the show is def dumb, but biggest fumble in overwatch has a ton of contenders sadly xD

[@RoxelBoxel]

ok so, the surrender button...i like the way smite does theirs personally and wouldn't mind it implemented in OW. you have to wait at least 10 min into a match before surrender is available and you only get one surrender start per person so the same toxic player cant just spam it the whole time.

[@alfredogonzalez9420]

that's too logical for our streamers to think, emong is reacting just to stay based lol

[@moistspider4769]

I don't think the games last long enough to warrant a surrender button in OW2

[@alfredogonzalez9420]

@@moistspider4769 a form of it can be implemented for sure, even when a leaver is due to rage quit, let us finish the game instead of forcing the timer before not getting penalized.

[@ToesTeaTy]

You have multiple surrenders In smite, it's just on a 3 min timer

[@estivee]

@@alfredogonzalez9420 The timer is there so that the leaver has a chance to rejoin if it was a connection issue and not a deliberate leave.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

No surrender button. For the short time I played League of Legends, the amount of games where people would vote surrender on the first lost team fight was absolutely staggering. And while it wasn't as many, there were also a lot of people that would purposely throw to get other people on the team to go with the surrender vote. Gamers are fucking weird, man.

[@LeBlingKing]

0:49 you heard him, none of it is a meme Keep speed boosting the bot

[@notad-class3899]

4:15 Well he got one out of three predicted.

[@SaySykesRN]

hero bans would be the same heroes every time, no kiriko, no widow, no 'at the time meta' tank and no soljourn

[@saucedealer]

as a mei main i fully support the magnetic nade change

[@CowKirbo]

I feel like hero bans if ever added should only be in a special mode not in the base modes. Make it an arcade mode.

[@teejay1646]

13:30 bro he started off so strong with the Mei point and then immediately followed up with the dumbest shit I ever did hear

[@__eeb]

my favorite dive tank is moira and i stand by it

[@scrubaatividya]

I actually agree with the idea of an Overwatch anime, it would be dope, I'd entirely forgot about the DOOMFIST short being hand animated like that until I saw that tiktok, it's a great idea and could be used to add to the lore by expanding on it, we have so much lore but not the full picture a lot of the time, I think it would also work really well but doing each season as different periods in OW history like eg: Season 1: Omnic Uprising (self explanatory), Season 2: Fall of Overwatch Rise of Talon (also self explanatory, it would be showing the events that would bring the alleged death of Commander Morrison, Captain Reyes, etc + showing certain people like Ana Amari going into hiding aswell as things like the kidnapping and brainwashing of Widowmaker and the murder of her husband by her hands), Season 3: Overwatch Resurrection (sorta self explanatory, would basically just be the call to arms from the original Overwatch trailer) and so on and so forth, it would be interesting

[@wingnutmcmoomoo494]

i think if they gave SR forgiveness it would lead to teams trying to bully the person they feel "lost the match" into leaving, I feel like with how much we like to play the blame game in overwatch it would be ONLY a tool used to bully and not really overall for what its intent would be (and thats not even speaking about how to handle duo's or even trying to queue at the same time to hope to end up together)

[@zacharyovall4257]

On the Sr forgiveness thing, a simple version would be to make it like a once per day thing - saves most players from 99% of the SR loss from leavers, but not worth the effort to exploit the system for just one game per day.

[@estivee]

This is it!

[@Memo-yh4nc]

I got so excited when I heard that Ana could sleep the robot and immediately went to text the homies. Only to realize immediately that it was a troll and have to tell them that I was wrong 💀.

[@disturbedwaffles6653]

People who say they want flashbang back have the most rose tinted glasses I have ever seen. I've legit seen people say that it was a "skillful" ability because you could "use it to line up headshots", as if literally every single Cassidy at every single rank didn't just press right click like a normal human being and one-shot 80% of the roster, and even if he didn't kill with flash-fan on a tank or something it left a huge ass opening for the tank to get chain stunned and die anyways. The only time you'd go for a headshot after flashbang was on a tracer, since her small hitbox made FTH less consistent of a kill, literally every other hero you'd just press right click and get a free, annoying kill.

[@toxicfiend]

I've said this before, and i'll say it again. The SR lose/gain with a leaver should be like this: IF you win 4v5, your team will get more SR due to the leaver and even more if you win 3v5 etc. AND the team who doesn't have a leaver and win 5v4 will gain less SR due to the leaver and even less if they win 5v3 etc. And if it's 4v4 then the SR you will lose/gain will stay the same. However, this SR lose/gain "boost" will not take place within the 2min countdown after someone leaves (cause they might come back).

[@bindi123pepper123]

Sometimes one ass stays, that would incentivize them to stay even MORE. As it would reward the opponent with less SR and waste their time.

[@toxicfiend]

@@bindi123pepper123 Too bad for them then ig, there's is already people who does this anyway just to waste people's time 🤷🏻‍♀️ Edit: Could stop it at 3v5 so it only counts for the first two who leaves since there's no way you'll be winning 3v5 or lower.

[@toxicfiend]

@@willmcclard206 Yea it could go both ways ig. But then it wouldn't be as rewarding both ways imo. They'd still win the normal amount of SR and doesn't get "punished" for winning 5v4 etc. I've won games 4v5, it's possible, so i think it should be more rewarding to gain more cause it's way harder to win with less people in your team. And losing the normal amount of SR when you ain't enough people doesn't feel that bad knowing they won't gain as much SR.

[@nic44444]

@@toxicfiend & @Will McClard Honestly, I’d be happy with either solution. They’re both better than what we have now and neither will be perfect unless they start trying them out.

[@estivee]

@@toxicfiend I stay so that I don't lose my endorsement level. I've noticed that Overwatch punishes your endorsement level making me go down from 4 to 3 if you leave a game even when you're allowed to.

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

SR forgiveness once every 10 matches or 20 matches or X matches. Frequent enough to spare real players with real leavers, not frequent enough to be abused by dillholes.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Emongg's expression at 7:42 as he tries to cogitate what he's witnessed is peak Overwatch.

[@voiddwelling7285]

I don't enjoy Push because of the spawns. This sounds weird but if you think about what Push Maps do, what you do is have the robot push to the enemy Spawn. By the time forward spawn is activated the game turns into a spawn camp simulator. Especially in lower Ranks and it can genuinely be disheartening, I started to no longer want to play Support (specifically, I enjoy playing Zenyatta and Ana) because of how many times I get into lobbies that turn into spawn camping and the characters I like playing become irrelevant, and I've seen so many innocent players get harassed by their teammates for being unable to help, Like Tanks that aren't great at the role, but you can tell they are doing their best. Or Mercy's who have spent the entire round Resurrecting and dying for just Trying to keep some one alive to contest. I believe that if the starting spawn point was where Forward spawn is (and make more exits on some maps) and getting rid of forward spawn altogether. In order to compensate, that halfway point might could make the robot move a bit faster (not too fast of course) it would take the break and then go, It brings a bit of urgency to the losing team. Obviously there are some things to consider since spawn is now closer to the robot. But I do think The spawn placement is a huge problem for why teams seem to struggle, but obviously there could be other solutions. Anyways sorry for that ramble.

[@estivee]

The problem with SR forgiveness is that it would create so much toxicity. A lot of people would be calling for the worst-performing player on the team to leave just so they don't lose any SR over that game. It's a slippery-slope.

[@evamarias8896]

I’ve been waiting for another lore dose for 2000 years. Animated Show, PVE ANYTHING blizzard please I’m dying

[@genesisosuna]

Well...

[@evamarias8896]

@@genesisosuna lmao I forgot about this comment but it definitely needs to go on the wall of “Comments that aged like milk”

[@itrnallilst640]

"Imma be honest with you, I barely can't not go off the map as wrecking ball rn I'm still trying to learn the basics" So real... I'm on controller I gave up my attempt at learning hammond😭

[@estivee]

Never give up. You can do it!

[@ZGamingGuy]

A problem with SR forgiveness too is that it would encourage teammates that are ass holes to bully others into quitting, so they won't lose any SR. Like, imagine you are having an off game (how dare you, I know) and people are relentlessly shitting on you, in the hopes that you leave. The game is toxic enough, I do not think this would be good ultimately

[@burkhardt7694]

magnetic grenade seems to seek out genji when he dashes as well

[@mattiOTX]

I think hero bans would be bad for the game and we proved it. It's not that there is not enough heros. It that blizzard would probably start to do like league and release heros more frequently to not only adjust to the perception that the hero pool is small but they will rush to keep players happy.

[@moistspider4769]

Most games allow each team to choose what is being banned from that game specifically.

[@CowKirbo]

I know it's a meme but hampter is insane on push. I recently got my first 20-kill streak on hampter on esperanca.

[@katiekaliber]

So you did well once against a random collection of players so the hero must be insane. Ye sounds legit lmfao. Couldn't be that that team was just bad at taking out ball.

[@CowKirbo]

@@katiekaliber that was a fucking year ago, you absolute fool.

[@benmeadows391]

10:30 You explained this very well Emongg This is just way too much for a casual game mode Edit: You know considering team chat is throwing nowadays

[@DeertickDaniel]

That push video can’t be more wrong bro, I’ve never been flanked holding bot and even if I did I wouldn’t die since I play kiri, or 1v1 them since it’s normally a sombra tracer or genji.

[@RenciaFennaas]

U and Flats must have same discord cuz 90% of those tiktok doubles.

[@ubergonk]

You could hero ban Sombra out of existence and the game would legitimately feel so much better for everyone else.

[@xboxruler7373]

A widow that can’t hit headshots is still good because it’s a two shot weapon without it which is still very strong even just hitting one shot on somebody’s toe will leave them a easy kill for anyone and if anyone shot them before you that toe shot would finish him so in the end widow doesn’t really need the one shot head shot she would still be very strong without it well also being less of a headache to play against

[@estivee]

If Widow loses the one-shot headshot she will be replaced by Ashe, with faster shots, no large bullet-trail to tell everyone exactly where she is, a larger magazine, and an amazing ultimate she would out-class Widow in every department.

[@R0RHades]

Tbh as a rein main I want is shatter to go back to being one shot qnd not 170 damage when it's direct, I miss one shoting lol

[@RisqueBisquetz]

I swear the 2nd guy just watch Flats and steals his takes for the toks lol

[@Crusty_Sword]

Doom is kinda like ball imagine if it was 6v6 and the dive that duo would be super cool

[@curse4384]

For the surrender button, that works in league and valorant bc the game is genuinely long asf no matter how its going but ow is like at most a 20 minute commitment if it’s truly a roll

[@HauntlessTND]

3:52 Doesn’t Torb have a shotgun for this exact reason?

[@cryha8789]

Hero bans would be awful in Overwatch just because of how hard counters work.

[@deltaheavy2094]

I thought Overwatch already had animated series but for some reason it's streamed in some black orange youtube

[@SasquatchPJs]

Push in lower ranks is just 5v5 tdm with 1 team fight at the end near wherever the bot ended up. Also, they tried that Pharah ground slam suggestion a while back and it was opaf. Any whiff of danger or an ult like High noon/Aimbot and PharMercy would be out of los before you could even attempt to hurt them.

[@Vexilis]

If hero bans were to be a thing it would have to be 1 tank, 2 dps and 1 support ban limit

[@NoFearNoDeath]

I have 1 unspoken rule in ow-Day must NOT finish, if I haven't play Esperansa

[@A_ZEAL0T]

Hamston lmao.

[@YVNGcoZy]

I like playing ball and BY FAR THE MOST ANNOYING COUNTER PICK IS MEI BTC ASS I always get forced to switch

[@MSDLeon.]

I used to eat tic-tacs here and there. My favorite one was the orange ones.

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

I'm not sure leavers are common enough to need further changes there. They get penalized with queue bans for doing it, which is probably why there's not that many.

[@jacobkwoka2613]

My main question is why are the stuns so heavily concentrated in the tank category? I mean other than Ana and sombra there aren’t any notable stuns that can get value like stopping an ultimate. At least disperse the utility rather than having shields stuns and negating fields all on the same role.

[@tickledeggz]

Because tanks are slow and usually on the front line. They actually need some CC, having it on the fster charcters would be completely unfun (you might find it fun playing with those characters, but if a feature is only fun when you re using it, and not when it's used against you, it shouldnt be in the game )

[@teejay1646]

Because that's what defines the role. We used to have CC and utility everywhere and it made playing tank miserable because you had to watch out for enemy tank CCs and also got hard punished and locked out of being able to defend yourself by Cass, Mei, Doom, Sombra (hence why they all got changed)

[@DeertickDaniel]

Sigs overhealth isn’t ever as good as grasp when trying to survive

[@PurpleMoon799]

i actually agree with the mei tank thing it would be so cool!

[@wastedink4059]

You don't really think the ana rein smashing the genji was meant to insinuate the person you sent it to was meant to be the genji, do you?

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

Can anyone explain why cass is suddenly one of the best hitscans? Like the only buff he got was a slight range increase and the ability to roll through enemies, like how was he not already one of the best?

[@TGG104]

Fall off range is extremely important for certain characters and can determine how effective a character will be. Take Orisa for example, before they reverted her falloff damage she was capable of taking fights and finishing off enemies from a very far distance which made her extremely good since she wasn’t forced to always play up close. Cassidy having that buff makes it so he doesn’t have to play in people’s faces just to deal decent damage which is important for a hitscan.

[@CowKirbo]

It's also just a meta switch. Brig was terrible before but a small buff and the meta switch made her really good.

[@pandolam4513]

@@CowKirbo Not really, Brig always was really good people just slept on her HARD. You're telling me the pack buff coupled with the 10% reduced ult cost + a meta switch made her from a D tier hero in everyone's list (except Flats) to being A tier? Hell, before these S3 tier lists, I was flamed hard for being Brig but now no one says anything anymore

[@CowKirbo]

@@pandolam4513sorry I didn't mean a poor character I meant not good for the meta I phrased that terribly.

[@lilacia8763]

@@pandolam4513 kind of bc i know some of those people were doing tier lists based on what was meta and what was being played a lot so of course shes gonna be lower when the meta is a ton of mid/long range one shot characters, but yeah i do think that meta caused a lot of people to think she was bad in general.

[@biguzivertt]

as for SR forgiveness, the game should be able to determine if it’s an internet disconnect or a dodge. can they not tell if someone clicks leav vs having connection issues

[@subpowerr6861]

Magnetic grenade is awful the cass will miss 90 shots but presses one button and it 360s 14 corners flys through the sky and does 130 DAMAGE. too much for aimbot

[@ralphforbes5807]

The leaver thing, 100% just do it lol there enough people who smurf an shit, I'll just accept duos pulling that if I don't lose Sr I'm not effected 😂

[@sebstratford1945]

Hi love ur content and I love the game as well. Keep up the cool work ☺️

[@gavinator1775]

Holy crap what an old video to come up to

[@liathedoll]

In Valorant surrender can only be voted once per side and imo it’s niche enough. Something similar?

[@jemandhd1337]

U should do sigma only rock no cool down or without shield

[@KandiKid87]

Honestly, Blizzard COULD do the anime thing. Like a short series. They HAD COMICS FFS. Just dig those up and animate 'em.

[@PunkZombie1300]

No, we need more dating sims

[@Hitoshuratdn]

@@PunkZombie1300 I concur. I want my torb romance option.

[@KandiKid87]

Oh, I'm down for that myself, too. [Mei is Bae after all, lol] I'm just saying... they could do those and so much more considering these people have actual integrating lore, but the game itself barely edges that line properly, if at all.

[@Lusttia]

I feel like on console the hero ban for widow would be high 🤣🤣

[@garliktube7528]

14:30 facts ngl

[@tesla6938]

moira definitely is a better dive tank than hampter

[@Ghxst12]

All mccree mains want the stun back the magnetic grenade he has is awful the stun was so much better

[@Phobosz]

tic tac toe

[@bobbycorwen2827]

winton

[@imclueless9875]

Hero bans and Surrender option would be the best additions they could ever add to the game. The amount of one sided games is just a waste of time, let us just surrender and move on. Sick of having silver dps and theirs is masters.

[@mrprofessor6538]

No plz im a mei onetrick

[@TacoTuesday555]

This seems like a cool vid. Really doesn’t seem to be that old… 14:40 …oh

[@mattiOTX]

I don't agree with the surrender button at all. For lol I get it, for ow I don't. The game is fast enough.

[@Bbistheman_]

People disliking push us legitimately a skill issue

[@Zeth3187]

2:05 brig is good ??? What the hell man she is worst support ever, even soldier heals more than her

[@chadvincent7061]

For a guy with 2 letter G's in his name, he literally never pronounces them at the end of words. Ex. "Somethin to learn about wreckinball is, not over-ultin, focus on flankin." Hott damn dude, love the videos, but this is like hiding a single rabbit turd in a box of cocoa puffs.

[@wingnutmcmoomoo494]

the G sound is actually there, its pretty common with that sort of accent to have pretty soft G's at the end of words (usually just a small throat noise that comes after the hard N noise) but they are there, its not an uncommon sort of accent to have at all

[@MegaCrabZ]

OW1 is still better

[@Eikka.p]

Bro :( can someone tell me what is CC

[@MKNerdMusic]

Taken straight from the OW wiki: “Crowd Control is an effect in Overwatch. It comes from a weapon or ability that disrupts an opponent by either forcibly moving them, or inhibiting their ability to use their own weapon or abilities.”