Overwatch 2 TikToks that are actually GOOD (mostly)

[@samuelblack4792]

Dunmir is actually a top 500 main tank. If you look at his youtube he has full tank guides on most of the tanks.

[@maniacpwnageking]

Beat tank guides on KZbin

[@najeecoates4]

He’s honestly incredible

[@omarmohanad9342]

I love his guide video

[@ripzaurus]

I think people misunderstood the Moira tip. All supports have healing, so we can just ignore that part of their kit and look at what else they have, and Moira doesn't really have anything else but damage. Like zen, she has to DPS to support the team, only difference is she can also heal way more, so she still has a different playstyle than zen.

[@whaloob]

The only thing I’d amend is that Zen has discord orb-that’s why you play Zen. Moira’s most important team support is insane burst healing via orb + primary fire. Combined with such a good disengagement option in fade, she’s almost tailor-made for low rank players to be able to bail themselves and others out of trouble. But, it is true that she is very capable at applying pressure to the enemy team. Fade lets her take aggressive positions and her self heal and aim leniency means that you absolutely must react to a Moira attacking you, and that pressure is super useful when used smartly. That doesn’t mean you chase picks on full health squishies with all their cooldowns, but it does mean that you play smart and track cooldowns, recognize the pressure you can provide and space you can create, and use that as well as your burst healing output to support your team as effectively as possible. Oh, and don’t underestimate the healthbar scouting value of a damage orb. That’s very easily communicable information you can gather without putting oneself in danger that can improve you and your team’s target priority greatly.

[@KudaDM]

In last guy defense: he's not saying "DPS more than Healing on Support". He's saying "don't be a Healbot, cause you can do more for your team, without stopping your heals". So, in the video he talks only about how good the rest of the kit for each support hero is, focusing on that to make that point. The only Hero I don't agree with is Moira, because if there is a Hero that doesn't need to be told "don't forget to DPS also" is her. LMAO

[@Nickelback8469]

Exactly. He's basically saying that if you have down time where your team isn't needing to be pumped full of heals, take that time to utilize the rest of your kit. Kiriko has insane burst, Bap can keep up in damage with most DPS, and Ana can win a team fight with a well placed nade. Sometimes you gotta heal bot, but to the people that complain that support doesn't have any impact probably aren't taking initiative to make plays with the tools they have available.

[@heavymetalover]

i'm glad that you enjoyed the tiktoks i sent :)

[@theSato]

The good tips were from a KZbinr who just happens to cut up his tips and put them on tiktok too. That's why they were good. Lol

[@Ahmad_Jihad]

That makes me respect him more XD Already sub'd to him

[@theSato]

@@Ahmad_Jihad yeah for sure

[@Not_Ciel]

9:54 Mans forgot defense matrix and missiles exists. I love nothing more than seeing a bastion tank form in front of me, and click DM while diving onto him with missiles. Easy kill.

[@kairitorellik9565]

The bounce on Sigma is helpful on payload. You can do damage against people hiding by payload by shooting underneath the payload

[@dakotagoettler-fipke8635]

12:14 to me it sounded like he’s never heard of KarQ, then he justified himself 😂

[@xajaga5308]

He plays with KarQ, he was joking

[@dakotagoettler-fipke8635]

@@xajaga5308 dude I know… isn’t it obvious? Edit: I literally put”Then he justified himself😂” it’s like you read half of the comment and decided to reply💀

[@evelyn-nm6iy]

i feel like the best advice for lower ranks is if someone accuses you of healing too much or not enough and says something like heal/support diff or just saying you're bad and it does affect you, watch the replay from your pov and the enemy/your other supports pov, did they do anything different or better? if they did and your team werent just being assholes for no reason, you can watch how they position, how they balance healing/damage, how they used and timed ults and abilites and learn from how they played instead, this also helped me realise more people are assholes than you think, even people who worded things nicer were often wrong about my performance and the enemy support did actually do worse than me, their team was just more cohesive or my team were just blaming their mistakes on me

[@Ollowayn]

Hey Emon! New here, I really like the tiktok reacts from flats. Seeing you do these and give perspective is really cool!

[@edb36mar]

That's how I tell a good Rammatra from a ass Rammatra, I've lost a few games with people not being in VC not knowing that tech, and during my diamond game Rammatra was the only person in voice chat (might of been 1 other person but no mic), I immediately told him to do this aaaaannnddd let's just say Im diamond 4 now. If you do not do this it is 100% your fault if your team loses. Keep track of your supports also, and don't walk forward when you feel yourself getting critical keeping the ult going isn't as important as your life, and you can regular nemesis again afterwards.

[@Backfisch5927]

13:34 I think they meant that the tp should just be a tp and only suzu should cleanse.

[@hereje2576]

that first Ramattra tip is really good, except if you're dumb like me, and accidentally press ult first and then the ability(it cancels the ult) this has happened to me 2 or 3 times, which isn't much, but it hurts my soul when it happens, they should make it so you can't cancel the ult for the first second it would make me happy

[@zye735]

Emongg is right that there are some game where you can't dps, but that is also a very top500 mentality. For metal ranks there isn't as much dmg going out, and sometimes your dps is doing less dmg than your mercy, so you have to dps as support to make up for it and give your team any chance at winning a team fight. Also healing is not utility. Its a base part of every support's kit. Utility is generally all of the other abilities that each individual support hero brings to a fight. Dmg boosts/debuffs, boops, anti-healing, escape abilities, cleanse, hard cc, immortality, etc. Those are utilities of the support role.

[@Cryoptic_]

some people dont understand what util means. as u say ,dmg and healing are not util. i dont understand why some people think healing is utility lmao. it def can be in some games if healing is scarce, but ow is built on healing as a core gameplay mechanic. honestly baffles me some of the things people believe. the guys tip tho makes sense. hes just asking people to use their kit and primary / secondary fire. supports are not only healbots. they do more aswell.

[@teejay1646]

Use literally any other support for this. Moira dealing 2dps is useless against anyone who's not a tunnelled widow

[@zye735]

@@teejay1646 except that moria's dmg orb and right click recharges her healing resource, so doing dmg on Moria is actually a healing increase, and therefore not useless. Nice bronze take though.

[@omrizubary]

Dunmuir and Rau are both fantastic KZbinrs they like my coaches if I need to learn something or how to counter someone. You need to sub to them.

[@gunnerdown]

I hate that only 1 person in chat noticed the guy with the ram tips called his ult ravenous vortex -_-

[@jasonmension3979]

Honestly I find echo does counter moira because of just how much dmg you're able to put out as echo and since moria trades auto aim for dmg her dmg is actually super low which echos hitbox is massive already so it's not exactly hard to hit echo as any hero so moira cant take advantage of the biggest disadvantage they gave echo which is her hitbox size so in the match up if you just hit a single shot and your stickies itll force her fade then you laser her once she has no escape and is half hp from the dmg of the stickies and the single shot.

[@DeertickDaniel]

I swear rau used dva as a counter for sombra

[@bobbycorwen2827]

winton

[@cryha8789]

Wait what? Moira should only be DPS? Thats gotta be bait... Most times when im Moira I 2nd frag and out heal the other healer 7/10 times.

[@Skynertia]

Some people still need to understand Lucio isn't a healer. If the team is grouped up and he has amp, sure. But otherwise he's supposed to be escorting players into and out of fights, duelling long range DPS like Widow, playing for the threat of environmental kills, and area denial. Almost never is that 16 healing per second more valuable than escorting you out of the damage, and most of the time topping up your team is your other healer's job so they can get ult charge.

[@tesladoesyt974]

I thought that was KarQ at the end but definitely not after hearing that horrendous TikTok Moira take.

[@Nickelback8469]

The Moira take wasn't bad, Moira needs to be doing damage in between heals to get value when compared to supports like Kiriko, Ana, and Bap that can put out lots of heals as well as providing great utility.

[@tesladoesyt974]

@@Nickelback8469 Moira does do a decent amount of damage but her burst healing potential provides more utility than her damage overall as heal orb has a higher capacity/output rate meaning you can build your ult charge faster. However, Overwatch is a complex game so this may not always work. In the video, they say Moira "does not have any utility for the team besides her damage output" but that is not true as Moira has one of the best AOE burst healing potential. Furthermore, the flank/DPS Moira style only works if you have another support on your team that can keep up with the sustain your team needs and that the enemy team does not have "one-shots" like Sojourn, Kiriko (to a certain extent) and Junkrat, all heroes which are meta atm. The problem I have is that people might play this as "TikTok Moira" without considering that each game is different and winning conditions. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't do damage as that is how you replenish your juice and there will be certain situations where your team does not need the sustain Moira provides so you can play DPS Moira (before engages and after winning team fights for example). There are inherit issues with shorts and TikToks; they are too short to provide much nuance.

[@adlhrtzucgfh1325]

Kiriko being the best support didn't age well :D

[@dubzybc5457]

i love playing tank but their is to many ML7's rn thinking their that guy while im sitting at 200 hp .like bro idc if your a support your a healer rn heal my ass

[@kfed9834]

People who say heal botting on kiriko is bad 🤡 that's definitely why even in OWL you see kiriko heal botting cause you play for her ult.

[@Cryoptic_]

u cant compare to owl tho. in owl kiri has been heal botting because owl teams can win a teamfight with that ult. not every kiri ult on ladder does this. owl is something completely different, and it goes for almost any other game aswell. league, valo, ow, cs etc.... all these games u cant compare ladder to pro. its almost as if they are playing a different game. if the enemy has a widow, kiri can literally if aimed well force widow to be less agressive and peek worse angles. take 2 secs of ur time to put pressure on the widow.

[@kfed9834]

@@Cryoptic_ owl is the most optimal gameplay of heros played at their highest level, my point is that even in OWL they think that she should be heal botting to play for ult, whether you win the fight or not off of the ult it's still the best way to play kiriko cause her ult is literally overpowered. It's not that I'm comparing the different skill tiers against each other, I'm comparing a kiriko building ult in 2 minutes vs trying to DPS kiriko and building one ult every 5 minutes like most players would

[@Cryoptic_]

@@kfed9834 u are litterally comparing owl to ladder my friend. they are far far from eachother. pretty much only healing on kiriko on ladder to farm an ult is not good. they can in owl for multiple reasons, but the biggest one being that they are all 5 VERY good players that have propper comms and plays very well with each other. ladder is nothing like this. kirikos ult is much much worse on ladder than it is in owl. also ur numbers of 2 mins heal botting and 5 mins playing optimally is just far off the truth. is the ult gonna come out slower? very likely. is it likely that getting the ult out slightly faster will win u the game? not nessecarily.

[@kfed9834]

@@Cryoptic_ I'm comparing optimal gameplay of healing 24/7 and weaving in kunai when you're reloading, Jesus get it through your head that I'm not comparing literally anything to owl especially not ladder, and even in bronze an intimate that gives one team an extreme speed boost and attack speed increase is most definitely enough to win most team fights, acting like it's an average ult is literally braindead behavior. Just because YOU can't use a kiriko ult doesn't mean it's not an easy game changing ultimate. P.S. if you're the kiriko player it doesn't take much effort to combo someone else with your ult, you can pay attention to your team or literally ask in chat, it's such a broken ult you rarely need more than one combo to win a team fight unless you're top 500. And even a bronze player can just place kiriko ult on the ground when pushing a fight and provide full value.. so again PLAYING OPTIMALLY is healing as much as you reasonably can to build ult, if you're just spamming DPS and getting 2k damage every 10 minutes by throwing them you're most likely not providing ANYTHING to your team, there's like 3 people in the community that can actually DPS with kiriko and not throw and I assure you that most players are not on their level

[@Cryoptic_]

@@kfed9834 the very core of ur initial comment is comparing owl to ladder. u literally said and i quote " that's definitely why even in OWL you see kiriko heal botting cause you play for her ult". yes, obv at owl level they will do these things. just as they only ever played JQ at launch. she made every other tank "useless", but that wasnt the case in the betas. u will often see 1 type of comp on both teams with small variations. they will squeeze out every single thing they can simply because thats how they win. they cant ego peek smth and hope to win, but u can on ladder. my point is, talking about what they do in owl when we are talking about ladder is pretty much useless. if reaper had 100% pickrate in owl doesnt mean it should also be the same in ladder. i never said the ult is bad tho. and focusing on building it isnt bad. but only heal botting is bad. and also as an fyi, healbotting is most commonly meaning someone who doesnt actively weave in kunais between heals, or even go for multiple to pressure someone else. by no means am i saying go DPS kiriko. i am saying that u should not healbot on ladder, on any support. going for plays and heck even try to 1v1 some enemy dps can be rly good to do. ESPECIALLY if ur better than them. Pretty sure i misunderstood my whole point tbh. to shorten it, im saying: dont healbot its bad. focusing on building ult and sometimes going for some pressure /dmg is good. healbotters wont see and punish positional mistakes that enemies make.

[@antonmaul2702]

All the good information tiktok's show up for emongg. Flats definitely saw more bad takes in his yt videos.

[@Cryoptic_]

pretty sure flats has seen a lot of tik toks from people that are low rank and giving tips. pretty sure i remember him watching someone bronze or silver giving out tips to other players.... its weird man.