Testing Vonkat TENfive Prototype SurRon Suspension - Fox DHX2 Comparison

[@danamarti2311]

I don´t know what I would do without your videos

[@emotobros]

#1 fan 🤝🏽

[@Just3adventures]

Thanks for always making awesome videos and taking the time to respond to us :)

[@emotobros]

Glad ya like them!

[@Just3adventures]

@@emotobros absolutely you guys are awesome 😎

[@mauriciocrespo8436]

Yesterday I wanted to buy the BAC 4000 that you announced at 5:59 and update every 5 seconds until 6:05 and it was never available what happened brothers??

[@emotobros]

It went live at 5:59. Sold 45 in 3 minutes and then the remaining controllers lingered for another hour roughly. Not sure what happened on your end but they went up.

[@DonTHEhandsome1]

There is a new fox steel 500lb x 3.5 spring. I am thinking about that set up.

[@davidsarff8532]

I'm in Oregon been up that way would love to come try out this type of e bike got a pit bike now but would definitely get electric if I ride one and like it

[@user-FishermanRick]

Clear skies, finally. Yay summer dry season. Go jump that shock and see if you can hurt it. Their shocks are moderately priced, if you fellas like it I'll buy one. Sounds like it comes with the spring? If not will my Fast Ace spring fit? 35mm body OD 450lb.

[@SurRon_OffRoad]

exactly what I'm looking for👌🔥🔥

[@Bezee4reeze]

You should check out the EXT Arma mx if you're looking for the ultimate in SurRon suspension. There really is no comparison with everything that is on the market. Purpose built for the SurRon with spring rates ranging from 400-600 lbs.

[@emotobros]

Definitely a solid option. The Vonkat is also purpose built and half the price of the EXT! Our main concern with the EXT is the adjustability stemming from the use of a hydraulic damper and how that shallows out the plunger and reduces adjustability for the preload.

[@northsandiegorc4248]

@@emotobros travel is not less on the EXT it is 3.5” as well 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@emotobros]

@@northsandiegorc4248 Travel on a shock is defined as fully uncompressed to fully compressed with no bump stop. My understanding is that the bump stop method that EXT uses removes around 3/8" of travel compared to a typical rubber bump stop. Is that not correct?

[@mixmastamikal]

@@emotobros That is definitely incorrect. The Hydraulic Bottom out Circuit on the EXT will actually allow for the shock to get to the true travel compared to a shock using a rubber bumper.

[@emotobros]

@@mixmastamikal my last comment certainly was unclear. The hydraulic damper does remove travel. That being said, the EXT does still have 3.5" of travel, however, without the hydraulic bump stop it would have even more assuming nothing else changes and a typical rubber bumper and dust seal were used. By adding a hydraulic bump stop you are effectively reducing the size of the piston rod guide. Due to this they had to make the size of the hollow shaft bigger in diameter to compensate for the lack of rigidity this would cause. This is suggestive of their reasoning for not wanting customer to add more than a two turns of preload so that the shaft assembly isn't overly stressed stemming from the shawllowness.

[@TheMarineCorp1775]

since you guys are also based in Oregon. did you guys buy your sur ron online or used?

[@emotobros]

Got them from LUNA in early 2020 🤘🏽

[@TheMarineCorp1775]

@@emotobros thanks. I'm looking to buy a Sur ron but I can't find any near Salem.

[@emotobros]

@@TheMarineCorp1775 Ah yeah online is the way to go for these things.

[@Withered_Souls187]

So I got a question about the Segway X260, when changing to a different controller and battery, would I still need to use the app, or is that something I would no longer have to worry about?

[@MotoAlias]

You'd no longer need to worry about the segway app. That goes woth the segway controller only. Subscribe to my channel thanks

[@Twfjxhdnri]

Are you happiest with the 450lbx3.65 SLS on the DHX2 or do you prefer the 500x3.25?

[@emotobros]

The 450 was much better for our weights for sure.

[@marrzie467]

@@emotobros Would 400 or 450 be suitable for 145?

[@stevearrowood7430]

I passed on the sls spring, used the 550 dmn spring Luna offered for awhile and it has proven the correct choice for my 175 LB. frame. I ride 100+ days a year as I work at a motorcycle rec area and would NEVER choose an unproven shock and you don't even know if rebuild kits are easily available. Terrible review, guys. Still love ya tho.

[@sur-ronrides]

do a test on the EBMX shock

[@emotobros]

The EBMX shock has the incorrect stroke length and requires an adapting linkage that changes the leverage ratio. First thoughts on paper are not pleasing enough to purchase for testing but we would be more than happy to try it out and give our thoughts if it were sent to us👍🏼

[@PhiTonics]

Pretend the camera is one of your friends in real life👍this might help your cadence, all with love ❤️🤙 Thanks for the indepth reviews guys, your the bees knee's!

[@masonkarel171]

Love your videos! I am a taller rider and I am finding myself feeling tippy and about to loop out. I have all of the recommended height mods like the seat riser, tires, peg extenders, etc. I was wondering if you guys would recommend a swing arm. This could add travel and allow for wider tires. Thoughts?

[@emotobros]

We have not used any swing arm but the limiting factor of the tire width is she chain and jack shaft. A swing arm will not resolve this.

[@highducky420]

whats the reason you only sell the bac4000 and not the 8000? one of you have a bac8000 right?

[@emotobros]

Couple of main reasons. The first being is that it is simply more power than what is necessary. With more power at users fingertips comes more liability and technical support issues regardless of whether you have instructions, disclaimers, etc. We generally sell out of product in under 12 hours but if the demand for 4000s greatly decreases and there is only demand for 8000s then that may be a route we decide to go in. That being said, neither of us run the 8000 on our personal bikes or have any plans to unless a better motor could support it!

[@nfswift]

More suspension options = more better! I would be interested to hear long term reviews on how well suited the top tier of MTB suspension really is for 120-130lb bikes like the sur ron/talaria. I'm a 200lb rider and just can't imagine even fox 40s/DH holding up under that much combined weight for long. Especially with some track use.

[@emotobros]

We definitely plan to do that with both Fox shocks.

[@northsandiegorc4248]

I have 2000 miles on my fox 40’s on my surron zero issues

[@jasondahmer2919]

That fox jersey Cole is rocking is sick lookin, got a link? I realize this is irrelevant but dope is dope.

[@emotobros]

One of our customers actually sent that to us! Not sure where it’s from.

[@621deezy]

Fox float being lighter and having more feel in the travel might be right for me. Not really any big jumps or hard hitting trails in Socal

[@emotobros]

Vonkat has made changes to address this complaint. Look out for our follow up on updated prototype

[@tulgaa.m]

Fox vs vonkat?

[@LarryRichelli]

It might be a good idea when recommending any fox fork or shock to let people know that putting any Fox fork or shock on a sur ron automatically voids your Fox warranty. All fox products are made for MTBs and that's it.

[@emotobros]

An important point for sure. That being said, you’d have to abuse them pretty bad to need to use the warranty. Bike shops will still service them assuming you take them in separate from the bike.

[@PhiTonics]

Weight vest time 😉🤣

[@emotobros]

A new version with some changes made to address the things we discussed is already made and on its way to us! We will be testing it soon and getting a video up on it. Huge thanks again to Vonkat! The shock can now be purchased here: emotobros.com/products/ols/products/vonkat-tenfive-shock-for-sur-ronsegwaytalaria

[@jeffj5710]

I just bought a dhx2 😬 lol