One of the greatest drummers and legendary band of all times
@davehartnett29016 жыл бұрын
Antony Trandev Trym is a fantastic drummer. Look up George Kolias from Nile. He is insane. Hail Emperor!
@Mustis15246 жыл бұрын
Eh, I doubt anyone into this type of music hasn't heard of George Kollias at this point.
@tingtongnidnoi5 жыл бұрын
He did a decent perfomance on the(Enslaved) Frost album as well.
@noself225 жыл бұрын
Fuck yes
@ederbueno82914 жыл бұрын
Tottaly agree
@wanjanechtangroeger7 жыл бұрын
One of the best songs from my favourite Emperor album!
@cern9997 жыл бұрын
Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger Trym's left hand technique is similar to yours, isn't it?
@wanjanechtangroeger7 жыл бұрын
It is a bit hard to see so I am not 100% sure - but I think it is not. It looks more like a mixture of moeller technique and just moving up and down because his arm rests on his leg wich is moving up and down.
@xdeathmetalbassistx7 жыл бұрын
Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger please Wanja, make the live cover from the Emperial Live Ceremony
@Adrian_MS866 жыл бұрын
One of the best song of one of the best albums of one of the best bands of one of the best genres of all... You know, Emperor is on top of everything
@Adrian_MS866 жыл бұрын
I Prefer 'Empty' or 'Curse you all men', are more technical, but also love their first works
@66Samus7 жыл бұрын
holy shit yes
@ScarfaceArcade7 жыл бұрын
66Samus hello samus, love your vids
@corvuscadaver7 жыл бұрын
66Samus Oh shit it's really Samus.
@Nefville7 жыл бұрын
Any chance you would do Decrystallizing Reason from IX? Loved the Curse all you men!
@Lycurgus19827 жыл бұрын
Holy indeed.
@bigalexxx7 жыл бұрын
YES!
@KRIMHDrummer5 жыл бұрын
🖤
@woodenhoe4 жыл бұрын
Omg it's really Krimh!
@SeandaleDingle3 жыл бұрын
Damn. A comment from 66samus and Krimh. That's how you know this guy is good.
@thetrueoverlord6663 жыл бұрын
@@SeandaleDingle if you know Trym Torson is good only for that... Maybe it should have happened the opposite way. This guy has been in the scene for decades, being one of the best drummers out there. Maybe we should knopw Krimh is good because of his comment. That would be the fair way ;)
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
@@thetrueoverlord666 you don't need to worry. Trym is legendary. While I love Krimh and the other younger ones, time will tell if they can cement their status in the annals of metal history in similar ways
@IzhakIb3 жыл бұрын
Here from your drum cover!
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers3 жыл бұрын
0:45 - 2:05 His stamina is unreal. Snares check under their bed for this man.
@EvilSewnit2 жыл бұрын
Funny because snare drums have beds
@caprise-music6722 Жыл бұрын
@@EvilSewnit do they? Lol
@samholdsworth420 Жыл бұрын
LMFAO
@nonono79734 жыл бұрын
Really interesting snare placement. It's like he uses the velocity from his left leg to help bounce his blasts. Pretty fucking cool tbh
@rnicholls7904 жыл бұрын
That style, I can't keep up
@KingCrimson824 жыл бұрын
correct, he tries to get the perfect rebound to have a louder hit. by that the stick lifts up a little more and increases the impact.
@nmac37183 жыл бұрын
Was wondering about that too
@mcmlxxxviimcmxcvi86413 жыл бұрын
When I saw that video for the first time, I had to try that method myself... What can I say, it fucking works better than anything I've tried before... 😳
@TheKoderius2 жыл бұрын
@@mcmlxxxviimcmxcvi8641 I have been trying to get this method to work for years now can`t figure it out - TBH
@rafzkarwowa14756 жыл бұрын
This is the focking highest class of BM. "Ye Entrancempyrium" is a masterpiece!
@rihirdo7 жыл бұрын
it is 20 years i was waiting to see this ! i was 22 years old in 97 when Anthems came out, i was totally blown away and i still am, i cannot believe 20 years have passed !!
@enriqueninetwisted95537 жыл бұрын
rocco roccki exactamente
@josepha38053 жыл бұрын
Exactamundo
@morempire7 жыл бұрын
He's 43 and still plays as if he has 23 when this album came out...
@rcisdrummer7 жыл бұрын
Moises Leal I'm 42 & play better now than 22. Stay in shape, healthy, motivated & aging is nothing...at least for now. Ha! Cheers.
@Salomon_G6 жыл бұрын
He plays better than when the album came out
@ericwilliams73745 жыл бұрын
It's all in how you take care of yourself. I can out work, and run circles around guys half my age!!! I'll be 44 this May 14th 2019!! Though I haven't lifted weights for about 10 years, I plan on getting back into this summer so I do t become a weak brittle old man!!! Stay METAL!!! Stay strong!!!
@herpderp67055 жыл бұрын
Wait, has it been over 20 years already? :C
@punypoppy91475 жыл бұрын
@@herpderp6705 Yes. Anthems came 8th July, 1997. Time flies by. Fuck i recall when i first heard this album. Blew me away. I was 16 at the time.
@JavierGarcia-kb1no7 жыл бұрын
Trym is criminally Underrated as a drummer. Fuckin Legend. Nick Barker as well.
@LENINsWORLD7 жыл бұрын
Truth has been spoken. I totally agree Javier!
@6sic6666666 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t had said it better myself. Wise words. The amount of musicianship from these legendary black metal drummers including hellhammer, and frost are truly legendary, dare I say, iconic in the black metal scene!
@PaulZedd6 жыл бұрын
If I hear anyone under-rating them, they'll get a slap in the mouth.
@santiagorincon923 жыл бұрын
Not underrated at all among black metal fans
@livingbeing11132 жыл бұрын
Him, Hellhammer and Barker are the holy trinity of black metal, the most musical, creative and interesting.
@kaozdrums7 жыл бұрын
One of the best black metal songs ever, the best black metal band, one of the most respected drummer. Everything on this video is fucking flawless!
@wilberthbermudez23396 жыл бұрын
Изя Шнипельсон yeeeeeesssss
@sandersvebakk45856 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@evltwin9845 жыл бұрын
He misses a beat at 2:53
@brennuvargr46387 жыл бұрын
Such an insane song... Of the pinnacles of black metal. So complex, going through many different moods. Absolutely insane drumming, too.
@UltimateThrashAttack7 жыл бұрын
This drum cam is a dream came true :)
@TheWitchOvAgnesi7 жыл бұрын
a WET DREAM for true black metal drummers!
@hemanroczko17994 жыл бұрын
I wish we could have uncut drumcam from Emperial live ceremony. Stuff he plays there is something else, not just speedwise.
@WanderingThief2 жыл бұрын
3:59 - 4:53 is some of the best music ever written. To think that Ihsahn wrote it when he was just 22 is mind-blowing.
@Roman-uj7sr2 жыл бұрын
actually it starts from 3:22 :)
@raakareiska9804 Жыл бұрын
I dont really know any artist that would have gone better from ageing. All they did their prime stuff at 20's.
@SeC-q9m11 ай бұрын
Eh... the youthful spirit is less bounded
@mtwice45867 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Anthems is the best black metal album of all time!!!!! For me, it just captures every sound and atmosphere that black metal should be.
@guidoretro6 жыл бұрын
Yep, sophisticated black metal art
@underneathofficial57356 жыл бұрын
100% agree
@eden2esthar6 жыл бұрын
satyricon rebel extravaganza comes in at #2
@Roadycore5 жыл бұрын
it doesnt have Black Wizards tho… which is, in my humble opinion, their ultimate anthem
@hazardeur3 ай бұрын
totally agree and Nile - In their darkened shrines does the same thing for me in terms of death metal. it was a golden time back then.
@iamthebeelzebub5 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be Emperor without Trym behind the drumset. An absolute beast. Saw these guys live once, best live concert I've been to.
@456death65411 ай бұрын
same
@frankreynolds38519 ай бұрын
Yes it would. Faust.
@IvoMaropo6 ай бұрын
@@frankreynolds3851No. Trym is the man.
@albertomassidda9 ай бұрын
What an incredibly original and personal right hand technique, the position of the snare is really interesting
@intestinalspewage7 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was watching Emperial Live Ceremony on video tape back in the day when it came out and couldn't believe how fast Trym was especially performing this song. And it's really amazing to see these guys almost 20 years later still doing their thing and going strong and compare it to the old days when they were in their mid twenty's. Man time is really flowing fast.
@cern9997 жыл бұрын
Monolith Of Death Same here, my girlfriend of those days gave it to me as a birthday present. Stuning performance
@ablohusen7 жыл бұрын
Monolith Of Death same here. watched Emperial Live those days and now seen this, same Trym same energy \m/
@Sabatar737 жыл бұрын
I would even say he is drumming it with more ease.
@Pierrick20096 жыл бұрын
Imagine how I feel given I was in the third row at that gig :)
@ForTheLoveOfAudio6 жыл бұрын
His drumming seems much clearer, which may also be the recording, but I feel like I have a much better idea of what is happening now, drumming-wise.
@sstrick5004 жыл бұрын
"Grandma, we're gonna rehearse in your dining room."
@rnicholls7904 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha! ❤
@GhoulishGrinMedia3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@panzerwaffen28733 жыл бұрын
Let's cook some brownies lmao 🤣
@caprise-music6722 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know what you’re looking at, but yes. Let’s!
@indiopeltier9758 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@D2ezbmu7 жыл бұрын
that left hand technique is flawless. I really hope you guys do at least 1 more US tour before its all said and done. You have so many fans over here
@metixang78066 жыл бұрын
D2ezbmu we need to get all us fans to make it known thsn again i know ihsahn is busy w ihsahn
@biorythmicshifter3 жыл бұрын
That is some crazy stamina. Absolutely ferocious sounding...few can blast with such groove.
@MetalMinded20115 жыл бұрын
what a wonderful drummer Trym is... and obviously it's way beyond technique.... it's amazing how much he structures and emphasizes certain elements of the music
@pmottonen2 жыл бұрын
Some drummers have the technique, some have a sense of style. Some drummers have the dynamics, some have power and stamina. Mr. Mosaker has them all 100%. My favourite drummer of them all since early Enslaved. Thanky you Trym.
@baghodler5083 жыл бұрын
this album will always hold a very special place in my heart. thank you and everyone that participated on it. you are an actual god among men! i love you
@sumonjamal16533 жыл бұрын
Just unbelievable 🤘🤘and he makes it look so easy!😲
@NelsonSocha7 жыл бұрын
One of The best Black Metal drummers, is a total inspiration for me!!! I Remember so much The Emperial Live Ceremony from 2000.
@hermanessences2 жыл бұрын
3:19 Love how the drums are so powerful that the cam is shaking a lot in this part ^^
@davehartnett29015 жыл бұрын
That drum line with the Synth at the beginning is why I fucking love Emperor. Such a good band
@dbutler17387 жыл бұрын
How can anyone give this a thumbs down??? This is great. One of the best bands and drummers around.
@arismakesmusic1698 Жыл бұрын
Cymbals. Lots and lots of cymbals. They make me happy.
@Дмитрий-з4н2ч Жыл бұрын
Orgasm )
@Luemm3l7 жыл бұрын
trym is one of the most underrated drummers in Black Metal ever and Emperor songs stand the test of time. There is a reason the backpatch of my new begun battle jacket is from this band. Trym destroys like always, but you can see time hasn't passed him idly by... take care man !
@reubenchadwick7 жыл бұрын
Luemm3l he's not under rated
@Luemm3l7 жыл бұрын
I think he is... Whenever you hear some best-ofs of Black Metal drummers, Hellhammer, Frost, Nicolas Barker, Proscriptor, maybe also Simon Schilling who is now playing in Belphegor or Inferno from Behemoth (if you want to count them to Black Metal, which during the beginning they certainly were) get mentioned, but Trym rarely...
@Ilkvomit7 жыл бұрын
Luemm3l i agree! He's hella underrated
@miskofedorco14217 жыл бұрын
Nic pic bro! Have you seen Cult of fire live?
@Luemm3l7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. No, unfortunately not yet. I also find it somewhat funny, that this picture gets associated with CoF. I mean yes, it is the front cover of their album, but the art that was made by the talented David Glomba depicts Kali, hindu Goddess and I'd rather people have the association to that or research into her instead of CoF (or maybe both). Or maybe both. And the occult. And how that connects to figures like Kali... or other, seemingly unrelated like Prometheus, Hel, Ishtar, Nergal, etc.
@rgdotcom7 жыл бұрын
Resting arm on leg while blasting :O
@TheWitchOvAgnesi7 жыл бұрын
I actually do that as well. Somehow it helps. I think for me it keeps the blast more consistent and physically reminds me about the position of my arm.
@clucka347 жыл бұрын
Will have to give that a go, just to see.
@Psymon14716 жыл бұрын
i guess if you're all finger blast then it works
@laceydez6 жыл бұрын
Simon Oliver nothin wrong with a finger blast ;)
@nodnarbregztem85466 жыл бұрын
I did that too for the first couple years I was playing, until i had built up my left hand. I realized i was doing it to go faster than my dexterity would allow. The elitist part of me sees that and says "crutch", but... I understand people use what works for them. Kinda like Kevin Foley's left hand blast grip. WTF, but hey, it works!
@ederbueno82913 жыл бұрын
One of the best drummers i've ever seen
@Kensloos7 жыл бұрын
Trym is insanely good. How he can play so fast and powerful at the same time is beyond me. Awesome! 🤘
@florianantonov41325 жыл бұрын
You ve nailed it definitely!! Hats off folks! Emperor is the manifestation of wise and brilliant black metal.
@nachomagallanico6 жыл бұрын
The most groovy blast beat in metal!!!
@noself225 жыл бұрын
Kudos Emperor! Thanks for touring Australia! Quite possibly the best live show ive seen!
@narimanmortezaei58884 жыл бұрын
One of the best drummers in an entire galaxy !
@RodrigoCFD7 жыл бұрын
Interesting how he places the snare drum and the ride cymbal, both in a very low position. That surely allows a more relaxed shoulder position. I'll take this as a tip.
@pineapplepeanuts6 жыл бұрын
Great kit and playing. These guys killing it after all these years.
@livingbeing11132 жыл бұрын
Trym's blast beat is one of the very best in the business, awesome technique. And as always very organic and musical.
@ОлексійДобряков7 жыл бұрын
Greatest composition,I really want to believe that we will hear more new works of this group in the near future!!
@hypocrisy477 жыл бұрын
wow, wow !!! Trym, please upload more videos, for those who couldn't witness the almight Emperor live (South America here) Thanks!
@danijeltomic46457 жыл бұрын
This! And even better, please capture one of the upcoming live shows, Wacken or even better the Japan one and release a DVD. I was hoping for Hellfest or Graspop stream at least but nope none : (
@miyamotomusashi8657 жыл бұрын
You guys were fantastic at Tons of Rock. Flew in from California just for the occasion.
@joshuaTLOZ7 жыл бұрын
One of the best bands in history
@maxeypad4 жыл бұрын
Played this for a couple friends a long time ago and all they could say was "so fast...how?" Emperor that's how.
@JoeSmith-ug9hu6 жыл бұрын
Always come back to this video.. LOVE the drums to this song
@thomashverring94846 жыл бұрын
Excellent band, excellent album, excellent song, and one excellent drummer!
@genaschtes5 жыл бұрын
i love his chair and that he is so relaxed
@Sabatar737 жыл бұрын
I have been listening to you since Frost (enslaved), I always enjoyed your music. Thank you so much for so many inspiring albums. Hail Trym !!!
@tdogg12817 жыл бұрын
One of the best. Underrated imo.
@nykretus7 жыл бұрын
Great work Torson greetings from Texas total support to the all mighty Emperor!!!! \m/
@chickenblaster6 жыл бұрын
pure inspiration, this song is stunning!! Trym is phenomenal! !
@onegative55822 жыл бұрын
🤘🏻😈🤘🏻 True legend. Favorite album of all time
@andremorassut3 жыл бұрын
Wow, just found this channel. I am a fan since the first album came out (which I bought only because of the cover). I remember vividly when I first listened to "Into The Infinity Of Thoughts", a game changer. Seems like I won't be going to bed anytime soon, seeing Trym playing is mesmerizing. Just noticed (another comment talks about it) his snare placement and technique, simply amazing.
@FilipeGomesDrummer7 жыл бұрын
This is a total privilege! It makes me feel that I'm actually in the room. Awesome!
@testasupremo2 жыл бұрын
Hail from Brazil. You are one of the greatests drummers of metal. Esperor represents a Lot for me... Thank you for your work till now.
@stormtrooper794 ай бұрын
ШЕДЕВР!!! Один из лучших альбомов в блэк-металле, однозначно.
@stevec67205 жыл бұрын
The first time I came across this video, I was floored. It's been my favorite one since.
@guitarrizer7 жыл бұрын
Love those cymbals man... how they add textures and harmony. Hope to get to see you soon guys.
@joeblack333 Жыл бұрын
I remember getting into Mayhem & Emperor at the same time. That was my introduction to blast beats & to this day, 20 years later, I cannot duplicate what Trym & Hellhammer make look so easy.
@andypike12342 жыл бұрын
It´s funny how they´re all have their backs turned to Trym in a rehearsal room. Sound guy had a privat gig :)
@chrism42687 жыл бұрын
You're one of my all time favorite drummers. Thanks so much for posting this!!
@Josh-nf1bq Жыл бұрын
I've witnessed tyrm live twice in Australia and it's been an honour
@VisceralDisgust4 жыл бұрын
those blasts are fuckin sick
@rajackar6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the show at Wacken and Inferno Fest. Thanks for posting this so we can finally see a bit more of the brilliant drumming that's almost impossible to see during live shows.
@joseluisfariabaterista6 жыл бұрын
Lo mejorrrr. Con este batero descubri un buen blast beat. The best.
@spyros90555 жыл бұрын
Favorite BM album, and this one's so faithful to the original. Too bad I couldn't attend one more Anthems show (I did back then).
@BillyTheBigKid826 жыл бұрын
I love how raw and natural Tryms drumming is. Drummers nowadays are fast and accurate yes but they've lost something in exchange. They all sound like drum machines and I've grown tired of that. This kind of drumming is the best.
@Yourebeautyfull4 жыл бұрын
I agree many drummers in the black metal scene focus too much on speed alone, and neglect putting their own personality in it. There are many black metal bands that I find just boring, but bands like Emperor give me hope for the future :P It's always fun to impress people with speed skills, but nevertheless I respect any musician in the first place for their creative skills.
@livingbeing11132 жыл бұрын
Many sound like computers, their playing is mechanical and sanitized, with boring and repetitive fills. With Trym you still have basically all the speed and technique you need, without sacrificing the creativity and personal touch, even if not "metronomically" perfect.
@BillyTheBigKid822 жыл бұрын
@@livingbeing1113 Indeed, well said.
@Dreibein825 жыл бұрын
As i heard him on Enslaved Frost, i knew this will be one of my favourite drummers ever.
@diosemperador75857 жыл бұрын
incredible ,amazing performance,you hte best black metal drummer ever,long live the emperor of drums.
@meathammer36504 жыл бұрын
Trym is the shit.. one the best black metal drummers ! While playing his snare down by his shins
@Canuck10007 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Wow, I love this song.
@dylanwhitesockswatson6 жыл бұрын
I really love this video. Can't get enough of that riff starting at 0:47. By far my favorite black Metal riff. Thanks for this inspiring video Trym :D
@patoth14 жыл бұрын
so many years waiting to see a video like this. Thanks trym !!!
@opethemperor45317 жыл бұрын
Ridiculosly fast and precise😂 Can't wait to see you mighty emperors at Loudpark!
@sega.milkis7 жыл бұрын
My first black metal band. Still love it, still listen to it, one of my favorites of all time for sure. Thank you for the music. It's been more than 20 years, shit time flies fast(
@lostinlymbo137 жыл бұрын
All Hail. Can't wait to see you in Japan again.
@ferox965 Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of black metal is silly. But Emperor are incredible. One of those rare bands that transcends.
@Duro837 жыл бұрын
A beast. Plain and simple. Can't wait to see you guys at Brutal Assault!
@thedemonstealer7 жыл бұрын
This is awesome!! Trym you are on of my favourite drummers!!
@666bpm44 жыл бұрын
I saw Trym with Enslaved back in the mid 90s in Dallas. I couldn't believe what i was seeing. Everyone around here was talking about him after that show. Then he joined Emperor and everyone lost their shit. For good reason.
@valentinvelevski21337 жыл бұрын
Machine !!! One of my most favorite DRUMMERS !!! \m/
@metixang78066 жыл бұрын
At first, i was like .. who is covering this mastery!!!!!! Second i noticed the passion encompassing my entire body and felt it to only be they who are emperor... ( sheds a tear) 3 rd the realization and truth of the fact .. EmpEroR ...
@3308redar3 жыл бұрын
Producer: What equipment do you need to record this album? Trym: All of them!
@jasonlongo6122 жыл бұрын
Epic and incredible Drumming Trym!
@StarAscending7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'd really love to see you guys perform live \,,/
@herr.schaeffer4 жыл бұрын
Trym Machine Torson! Lots of respect for you guys! One of my goals is to see Emperor live one day.
@GersonManrique2 жыл бұрын
Un gran espectáculo ver a Trym ejecutando ese gran tema.
@bytemevv-46165 жыл бұрын
While I still breath I will always listen to Emperor and my soul "With Strength I Burn!"
@NeptuneTowers7 жыл бұрын
The song is called Ye Entransemperium at the start, in the bottom of the video ;)
@sylvr64367 жыл бұрын
one of the best metal masterpiece I ever heard. 20 years after it sounds great like the first time. I dream about an Emperor new album since 2001.... maybe one day ?
@willylopez7898 Жыл бұрын
Never. Ihsahn said they don't feel like it because Black Metal fans expect integrity if new stuff comes out. Their heart isn't there to create new music under the name of Emperor, Ihsahn is totally dedicated to his solo career, Samoth does The Wretched End so there's no chance for a new Emperor album. To me, that's integrity; they will play live only, but won't ruin their legacy doing a half-assed record.
@sylvr6436 Жыл бұрын
@@willylopez7898 I know ... Emperor is a band from another decade. Definitly ! 😔
@АлексейКравченко-к7л Жыл бұрын
Trium молодец! Он мастер, который упрощает себе жизнь!
@PaoloBrunoThyLight7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always. I hope i have the opportunity to see you live again. The first and only was at Hellfest but with Faust on drums. You're one of my favourite drummers all times, i also hope to do a tattoo with you someday. Cheers from Brazil!
@sanrab756 жыл бұрын
Trym you are one of the best drummer i have ever seen!
@chrisfleming57323 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite drummer or all time. Love the band also
@InspiredFortunes3 жыл бұрын
I love Emperor so damn much. They are the only black metal band who made realistic theatrical Marvel villain songs like this!
@TheModernHermeticist6 жыл бұрын
awesome, love watching him rip on the drums
@MrVempire6667 жыл бұрын
Αυτο το πραγμα ειναι απιστευτο!! Ενα ονειρο γινεται πραγματικοτητα, δεν μπορω να πιστεψω στα αυτια μου και στα ματια μου μηχανη να ηταν θα εκανε καποιο λαθος. Μετα απο 20+ χρονια των Emperor παιζουν οπως την πρωτη μερα. Πολυ κριμα που δεν ερχονται Ελλαδα απο μικρο παιδακι τους περιμενω πριν καν βγαλω γενια εχω φτασει 33 και ακομα δεν τους εχω δει live. Ειναι το αγαπημενο μου συγκροτημα, το αγαπημενο μου τραγουδι, ο αγαπημενος μου drummer. Λυπαμαι για την κατασταση στην πατριδα μου, η μουσικη μας αργοπεθαινει καθημερινα δεν ειναι τιποτα οπως παλια. Μαζι με την οικονομικη κριση στην Ελλαδα σταματαει ο κοσμος και τη μουσικη. Κριμα και παλι κριμα. Ενα τετοιο live θα μπορουσε να ζωντανεψει και παλι τη black metal σκηνη στην Ελλαδα και πιο συγκεκριμενα στη Θεσσαλονικη....
@paoloperrusi7 жыл бұрын
The intro to this song was written by Euronymous. It does sound like something off De Mysteriis...