Top 6 Pokémon who Evolve into WORSE Type Combinations

Evolution can do many things for a Pokémon, but one of the best ways to make it stand out is simply adding a new or different type. This can be amazing, (like adding Dragon to Kingdra) but it can also be a letdown when the evolution actually leaves you with worse matchups than before, and it might actually be more common than you think...

[@JesusMartinez-rr2ry]

You gotta blame the mega-diversity of flying insects for the excessive amount of Bug/Flying type Pokémon. To be honest, Pokémon is inspired by bug collecting, so it was cooking itself in its own juices.

[@melhadow]

you gotta blame the Pokémon type-chart! Bug and Ice types are trash, and will always be on their own. They need more resistance(s)

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@melhadow Or combine Bug with Steel.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​@@jeffreygao3956Bug/Fairy?

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Not quite as good.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Bellosom being pure grass wasn't to make it stand out against grass/poison in general, but rather Vileplume specifically. If they were both Grass/Poison, that would have been rather redundant. That said, I can agree that maybe it should have picked up the fairy type in X/Y.

[@bakedbaker9882]

Thats a missed opportunity on Nintendo's part imo

[@jcohasset23]

The problem with Bellosom is Sunflora and Meganium (as are both their lines) are also pure Grass and thus more redundancy. As we've seen from the magnitude of pure Normal, Normal/Flying, and Water types redundancy means that most of those types rarely get used. And in general, grass was kind of weak in Gen 2 since you either had to wait until Kanto to make sure to get a Leaf Stone or you had to win a Sun Stone (and chikorita is usually considered the worst starter of the 3 in Gen 2).

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@jcohasset23: From an entirely modern perspective, sure, but back when Gen-2 was new the novelty of having so many pure grass types to choose from was a refreshing contrast to Gen-1 which only had Tangela.

[@shujinkoMK]

Slowbro and slowking are both water psychics from the same family which only difference is they get their defenses swapped. Charizard and typhlosion are fire starters that have the exact same stat distribution. Redundancy is not the problem here

[@jcohasset23]

@@shujinkoMK Charizard is Fire/Flying so it is different from Typhlosion, which I guess for Gen 2 they were trying to keep the starter lines pure to be more different from the Gen 1 starter lines. As for Slowking I think it was just made so there would be 6 Gen 2 pokemon that have to be traded to be attained and outside of more uncommon fights Slowbro is more common to use. Slowking really should have just been given a different typing, though without changing its design I'm not sure what.

[@The_PokeSaurus]

Togekiss can learn Aura Sphere. That helps with the Ice and Rock weakness from the flying type, and the fairy's weakness to steel, so I personally don't think the flying type was that bad for it.

[@alolanchampion]

@Hsiao Hsu Alot of moves were either not put in or removed from Pla. So Togekiss not getting Aura Sphere is understandable.

[@RenegadeGamer89]

He's talking more about the typing itself, not things like movepools. Togekiss is a great Pokemon regardless of it's typing.

[@emperorcubone]

Exactly; I SAID Togekiss was a good Pokemon, but that it didn't make good use of its typing. Also learning a move in the final form does nothing to help Togetic, so it's still in a worse spot all the way until you find a Shiny Stone...

[@NovaContext]

@@emperorcubone I don’t think Togekiss would be as good if it didn’t have a Fairy/Flying type combination, as it’s able to fulfill an amazing defensive role as something that’s immune to both Dragon and Ground, which in and of itself is good, but its added resistances and immunities far outweighs the negative Even offensively, Togekiss gets Air Slash stab, which is incredible for it Although Fairy/Flying is flawed, I think it’s better than pure Fairy

[@patrickburton1401]

Togekiss often doesn’t use any fairy stab. It’s immune to dragon, but doesn’t contribute anything in a dragon MU besides an immunity. The fairy/flying typing does give it a good resistance in fighting, but it also adds two more weaknesses.

[@kiddextersgodlyadventure129]

‘It’s too bad they couldn’t commit to nincada’s evolution also being bug/ground’. ….. Because it’s based on an actual creature that becomes a flying insect 🤔

[@nightfrostbreeze]

The Nincada line is one of my all time favorites, and I totally agree that we need a dedicated bug/ground line. There are so many burrowing insects they could choose from, like ants and mole crickets for example! And also earthworms, tho they're not insects but still bugs.

[@emperorcubone]

You know, an earthworm would be a genius way to do that!

[@isaiaholaru5013]

This needs to happen. Note : Diglett doesn't count as a worm, does it? It just looks like one.

[@nightfrostbreeze]

@@isaiaholaru5013 Diglett and Alolan Diglett are classified as moles, and the new Wigglett is classified as a garden eel. Spoilers (tho you might know this by now): There is in fact an earthworm pokemon in SV. But somehow it is not bug nor is it even a ground type. It is still cool tho.

[@kingteddieP4]

@@nightfrostbreeze earth Eater is still cool tho.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@emperorcubone also pillbugs.

[@daninda1665]

Nincada and Surskit will always leave a hole in my soul for never getting the true development they were denied. Evolved Bug/Water and Bug/Ground would have been great options in Gen 3

[@Aesculathehyena]

Only time I've ever used a Bellossom seriously was in Alpha Sapphire. I was doing it as a gimmick run through the Elite Four where I had to theme my team as an Aroma Lady. Only Grass types (or ones that would smell nice or that can learn Sweet Scent), and I had to learn Sweet Scent whenever possible, and actually use it in battle.

[@emperorcubone]

Wow, trainer class runs actually sound pretty fun! Just be a hiker with Geodude and Onix. Or I guess the fisherman with the 6 Magikarp...

[@Aesculathehyena]

@@emperorcubone I've decided that whenever I play a remake, I'll be picking one. It shouldn't ever be a monotype run (after all, a Hiker can absolutely use a Machop), but it's a way to shake things up. I didn't get BDSP, but whenever Black3/White3 hit, I'll be looking at the challenge again!

[@ryanwhaley5041]

Psychic was so strong in Gen1 that the poison type was seen as crippling and led to a lot of people pretty happy to see all the pure Grass in Gen2

[@Compucles]

Yeah, and Psychic was still very strong in Gen 2, as well. There were two new Psychic type Legends with Lugia and Celebi, only one (rather weak) new Ghost type was added, Dark was somehow made a special type that totally conflicted with Tyranitar (while most Psychic types back then had better Special Defense), the other Dark types and most Bug types still weren't very powerful, and the only attack super effective against Psychic with more than 80 base power was at the time a signature move. Your options were basically Gengar with Shadow Ball or Heracross with Megahorn.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​@@CompuclesI've heard people say that Snorlax was the king of Gen 2, but Mismagius was the queen, mostly because it was a pure ghost-type.

[@Walnut64]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 It would be if it evolved back in gen 2.

[@Chucky_Martinez]

Isn't it crazy Bellosom isn't a Fairy type? I feel like they should be a Fairy type

[@Amelia4111]

THERE SHOULD BE 2 S'S IN BELLOSSOM!

[@3jayseedank]

@@Amelia4111 Jeez, what a spelling police.

[@bidoof367]

@@Amelia4111 it should be spelled bellawesome

[@aronolafsson8256]

Lord @Bidoof has spoken. Bellawesome it is

[@govyazhiydoshirak4629]

Psychis type

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

Togetic and Togekiss weren't always Fairy types; before Gen6 they were Normal/Flying type, which is definitely better than pure Normal. It's not their fault that you think Fairy/Flying is worse.

[@brockdavid]

I can’t stand normal type Pokémon. Even though, having only one weakness is a ‘superpower’ and a boon; I do enjoy the bizarre typings, and have only had one pure normal type level 100, Kangaskhan. Normal/flying is just way too common a pairing for the most part (even though I use them like mad.) But, you’re definitely right about it getting more weaknesses.

[@jaidamwhi4589]

Think the main reason for them being on the list was the fact they don't make good use of their typing...of course they're great mons they just suck at making the best out their typing

[@johntaylor1189]

Ironically, superpower is a move that crushes most normal types

[@SargeWolf010]

Yup

[@skeleton608]

Getting STAB Air Slash with Serene Grace, giving it a 60% chance to flinch both opposing Pokémon is pretty great, too.

[@NomicFin]

Tyranitar. Rock/Dark is an objectively terrible type combination. It's a testament to T-tar's amazing stats, movepool, and ability that it managed to not only be competitive but one of he defining OU Pokemon for multiple generations despite its horrible typing.

[@cyberdragonzekrom6790]

But it's not like it's evolving out of a good combo. Rock/Ground is also terrible.

[@SpiegelmanSzn]

@@cyberdragonzekrom6790 I agree with you that Rock/Ground isn’t much better. But Rock/Dark is objectively worse. So much so that there’s still not another Pokémon with that type combo.

[@sheeplol2161]

@@SpiegelmanSzn id say rock ground is worse then rock dark because you have 1 4x weakness as opposed to 2

[@jamesgiles4517]

In what universe is ground rock better?

[@641mamaluigi]

Gloom didn’t just lose a type when evolving into bellossom it also lost its legs and also got shorter than gloom…

[@smelyjoe8917]

Its also apparently shorter than oddish too

[@realrealwarpet]

Its also prettier and less smelly XD

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

That's how i mega evolve into a fodder necromorph

[@kevinbre7563]

I agree with Bellossom should have been part fairy. I mean Gloom learns Moonblast at level 32.

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

Flying types: Exist Emperor Cubone: And I took that personally.

[@emperorcubone]

I realized it sounded like that when all was said and done, but in reality Flying is in my top 5 favorite types! It can just be hard to counter those weaknesses; you need a solid type for it, like Ground!

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

I have to disagree with the flying fairy being worse than pure fairy. Gaining an immunity is worth the added weaknesses as it gives pokemon something they couldn't do before and that's being able to swap in on the ever present earthquake. A ground immunity gives you a lot to work with. The 3 extra weaknesses can be rough but having a safe way to switch in on ground types is great.

[@rhymebeat1142]

It also adds a quad resistance to ANOTHER incredibly useful offensive type as an added bonus.

[@Lordmewtwo151]

"Having a safe way to switch in on ground types..." not entirely. Even though it's not STAB (unless they're also part Rock), almost every ground type has access to Stone Edge/Rock Slide.

[@alfredsupersauce]

Gamefreak’s golden boy Charizard is an easy edition to this list. Offensively flying overlaps with fire against bug and grass, only adding fighting as super effective coverage, which fire hits neutrally. Defensively of course the infamous 4x stealth rock weakness destroys it, gaining electric weakness isn’t great, and in gen 1 fire didn’t even resist ice. Gen 8 gave Zard a lot of buffs with heavy duty boots, a gigantamax, and stab airstream. But outside of dynamax formats it’s still not good.

[@duskplains1235]

Poliwrath got it pretty bad considering it’s typing doesn’t help it when it’s not really quick enough to fight it’s fighting weakness. Then they added the fairy type.

[@hambughrr8186]

My true candidate for the top spot isn't Gloom, its Bergmite. Ice is the worst defensive typing, but you know what else is a horrible defensive typing? Rock. When Bergmite becomes Hisuian Avalugg, it becomes both at once, and the results are 100% as disastrous as you think they would be. Yes, it hits hard, but its 4x weak to Fighting and Steel, and 2x weak to Water, Ground, Rock and Grass. Wow.

[@emperorcubone]

Rock/Ice is so bad, I love Avalugg and I'm glad it got attention, but boy was it not in their favor...

[@RLocke142]

I'd say Slugma's evolution made it worse in terms of typing. Fire/Rock isn't exactly a typing you'd call defensive. And to add insult to injury, Magcargo is too slow to do much if a Ground or Water type can just smack it away with one of its 4 times weaknesses.

[@adamj.cuthbert7528]

In Bellossom's defence, it was originally meant to be a Grass/Poison type. In the Gold and Silver beta, Bellossom evolved from Gloom with the Poison Stone and retained its dual typing. Game Freak changed that for some reason - probably to distinguish it from Vileplume.

[@thehaymaker3660]

Slugma gets it worse by far. Fire/Rock is just horrible typing, and on a pokemon so slow its so easy to hit it with an Earthquake or Surf for an easy OHKO.

[@eastsidereviews727]

I'm guessing you left off Magcargo because everyone would expect it. But to me it is for sure the worst, with both the Ground and Water weaknesses becoming doubled thanks to it gaining the Rock type.

[@emperorcubone]

It's funny, because in theory Carkol is the same, but it's just not; pure Fire is in a much better spot than pure Rock, so adding Fire to Rolycoly isn't nearly as detrimental...

[@babel_UV]

@@emperorcubone plus coalossal has that typing balanced by its stats and ability

[@WaterKirinGamer]

EmperorCubone tends to intentionally exclude the Pokemon seen in the thumbnail as to not spoil what's actually on the list

[@jcohasset23]

The typing does make it a glass cannon against Ground and Water but the biggest problem with Magcargo is it evolves way too late to be useful (lvl 38). In comparison in Gen 2 everything with Slugma's base 250 stat evolves at 18 (Azurill and Hoppip), 22 (Spinarak), and 33 (Piloswine, which was also too late to be useful in Gen 2).

[@valasafantastic1055]

For surskit and ninkada they accurately follow and represent the real world animals they are based on so I can’t be mad really. Still yes they types are weaker. I would love a powerful fully evolved bug, ground personally!

[@emperorcubone]

Sure, but as I said, the number of Pokemon that Fly in Hoenn without actually being Flying is absurd, so they didn't need to change type to be airborne...

[@valasafantastic1055]

@@emperorcubone It sure would be stronger if they didn't... But cicadas really do get frailer and then shortly die after being durable and living for years underground, the real animals I mean, same with mayflies. Become frailer, weaker to predators mate and die. I feel the bug/flying reflects the reality. Also cicadas and mayflies are strong flying animals that feel they have an emphasis on 'flying' in real life. Because it reflects and respects real world biology I like it personally. Still want a separate fully evolved powerful Bug/Ground.

[@jerelgayle3625]

Their typings of Ground and Water, also matches the box legendaries of Ruby and Sapphire, Groudon and Kyorge. Them both losing those typings and becoming flying-types when evolving may be reference to Rayquaza a flying type is the strongest of the trio.

[@Amelia4111]

THE K IN NINCADA IS SUPPOSED TO BE A C! FIX IT NOW!

[@iowa89357]

Today I learned slugma is a pure fire type. What other lies have the council told me?

[@emperorcubone]

I bet they never even told you the tragedy of Darth Palgueis the wise...

[@fernandohenriqueporto4019]

I love Nincada for its design and types. I'm sad it isn't good on its own (like a Chanshey using eviolite). It's just another bad bug =/

[@emperorcubone]

To be fair, most base stages aren't that useful on their own through the whole game, but it is a shame...

[@kingofthelurkers9155]

I asked this on a previous video about making solo type Pokemon dual type. But this kinds has me thinking this again. What would be your thoughts on dual types that you think should be solo types? Also, with this video idea, what Pokemon would you changes the typing? Whether a solo typing being changed to a new one or swapping on or both types from a dual type. Not adding or dropping types, just changing what we have to something new or something that makes more sense? Just a couple interesting ideas to ponder.

[@emperorcubone]

Well I did make All Pokemon dual types in a series, but honestly most of the time Pokemon with two types deserve them. I guess there's not much Normal about Helioptile. As for changing them I would likely prioritize typings we don't have yet, like making Runerigus Ghost/Rock instead of Ground...

[@Twinnerwinner-1554]

Ice is the worst type in the game, so adding it to anything makes it worse

[@ashwinkarnik115]

You’re the first KZbinr I’ve heard pronounce Nincada “correctly” (I put that in quotes because the producers of Pokémon have previously said there is no single cannon pronunciation for their names, but…there totally is lol)

[@emperorcubone]

I just say it like I say cicada, but I guess people don't make the connection? Oh there are 100% canon pronunciations, but it doesn't help when Pokemon goes with both "Man-TEEN" and Man-TINE."

[@MrLightningbob]

Ninjask actually tends to be part of my team whenever it’s in the game to be caught.

[@Cool_Kid95]

💛

[@gem2121]

imo it's bergmite into *HISUIAN** avalugg literally takes a bad defensive typing and adds a typing making it weak to like basically everything

[@Rose-yx6jq]

I am honestly surprised that when the fairy type was introduced bellossom did not gain it.

[@emperorcubone]

And Meganium too.

[@crusaderofthelowlands3750]

What about Magikarp to Garydos? I mean, Garydos is strong, but it’s typing sucks. At least in early gens, don’t know after gen 3. From being only weak to electric and grass and resisting fire, rock, ground and ice. It’s now 4x weak to electric, weak to grass and instead of resisting rock and ice it’s now weak to it.

[@anthopea]

My immediate thoughts for Pokemon who get worse are Dragonite and Gyrados who both gain the Flying type over their previous forms. It takes Dragon weakness to Ice to another level making it unlikely to survive an Ice Beam from anyone. Then Gyrados although resisting Grass moves which is always good on a Water type, can also usually be taken down by a weak electric move.

[@ailius1520]

No balls for not calling Charmeleon -> Charizard in Gen 1. Adding flying to fire was very redundant in gen 1. Sure, it doubled resistance against those bug and grass types you should've been beating anyway, but now it has a type weakness vs ice (in gen 1) and electricity - so now you have to be worried about getting one-shot by a blizzard or thunder attack - which back then were some of the strongest moves in the game. The only real benefit it got was ground immunity.

[@garrettwidner6915]

To add insult to injury, the same generation that could (should) have given Bellossom the fairy typing buffed Vileplume's SPA from 100-110 and Bellossom's defense from 85-95, so it effectively increased the gap between Vileplume and Bellossom even further because the SPA was a lot more useful on a grass/poison (actually a decent offensive combo) than DEF on a grass type...

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

I guess the easy answer would be Charizard... But I have a couple of debatable examples: Nosepass gaining a Steel type upon evolving into Probopass is certainly not 100% beneficial. I mean, getting a bunch of resistances on a mon that is mostly used as a defensive pivot is pretty nice, but with those defenses, I'm sure a pure rock type would have helped stand on its own more without those 4x weaknesses. Another one to potentially discuss is Gyarados. Without that crippling 4x weakness to electric, it'd probably have a lot more opportunities to set up.

[@daninda1665]

Gyarados should have been the OG Water/Dragon instead of Kingdra

[@Caelus32]

You: "Grass types are considered one of the worst types due to their large number of weaknesses." Me: "Are you saying I shouldn't play the game on hard mode?"

[@meghancraft77]

There are, indeed, way too many bug/flying pokemon combinations. There needs to be more bug/fighting or even bug/water combinations. At least then those types don't have that many weaknesses as the bug/flying combo.

[@ShamblesTCG]

Charizard, gains 4x weakness to rock and a weakness to thunder, ine if the most commonly used tyoes, only to ditch ground weakness

[@docmercy3660]

I totally forgot about Bellossom. Yeah, it should be grass/fairy. E: I'd throw Charizard into the mix. It doesn't utilize the flying type offensively and a quad weakness to rock is devastating with stealthrocks being a thing as well as the abundance of rock slides.

[@Lordmewtwo151]

7:24-7:28 Actually, type-wise, Tyranitar is not only the best possible matchup offensively, but while not as good as a defensive type matchup as if Crambominable was pure Fighting, it's not terrible since Fighting's Rock resist neutralizes Ice's Rock weakness. A better example probably would have been a Steel type, since while that type is weak to Fighting, Fighting doesn't have the resistance to cancel out the Ice weakness.

[@blortorglethegreat3868]

I think Grass and Rock need a buff, remove one weakness from each perhaps?

[@emperorcubone]

Isn't it crazy that Rock used to be a "defensive" type?

[@rafaelsalles8308]

Gamefreak really lose the opportunity to made Belossom a Grass/Fairy pokemon, if they did that, she could become more useful

[@killingragethrowback]

I suspect the Gen 2 creators screwed up and tried to get rid of too many Psychic weaknesses. In Gen 1, NOT having poison was great since it means you don't get Psychic death.

[@qthesorrow7899]

Less common poison type? Dude like half of the Kanto dex is poison type.

[@emperorcubone]

Sure, but Togepi is from Johto, and even then a bunch of them that show up there don't learn Poison moves, like Zubat...

[@qthesorrow7899]

@@emperorcubone well we haven't had a gen two remake with fairy yet so Togi change is safe from to over used gen one pokemon stuffed into Johto for now. After Gen one the poison type was lucky to see five new guys per game. I'm sure Gamefreak realized how overly Poisoned Kanto was and cut back on them for every region after. I'd love a HGSS remake with fairy included but then I also fear the third gym.

[@cammy649]

Bellossom should've been the first Grass/Fire in my opinion

[@troygarcia6674]

It's not exactly in the same vein as this video. But since we're talking about type combos and losing resistances to one or the other, I don't like the use of Flying/Normal on so many Pokemon that're just birds. Thanks for the neutral damage from fighting now.

[@emperorcubone]

Yeah, I hope Rookidee will make them a little less shy about making pure Flying types in the future...

[@RoninCatholic]

It's a crying shame that Bellossum didn't become a Grass/Fairy type when the Fairy type was introduced. Of course, Vulpix and Ninetales should have become Fire/Fairy types at the same time and for some reason _that_ didn't happen.

[@daninda1665]

I always thought Vulpix should have gained the Psychic type upon Evo to Ninetales, as it does learn a good number of Psychic moves

[@TlocRevelc]

I always thought ninetails should have been ghost given it's lore

[@RoninCatholic]

@@TlocRevelc Yes, a Fire/Ghost type would have been absolutely perfect with its lore. That's another common proposal of mine for fixing type balancing while remaining firmly _within_ the confines of gen 1, as well as making Marowak a Ground/Ghost.

[@RoninCatholic]

@@daninda1665 Fairy (because it's a yokai, same reasoning as Mawile getting the Fairy type) or Ghost (due to its Pokedex entries and association with curses) would both make a lot more sense than Psychic. Most committed special attackers get some Psychic type moves, actually, including almost every ghost or fairy.

[@anonymousmonkey9491]

personally, vigoroth evolving into slaking is probably my choice of evolution making it worse. Stat wise Slaking is great yes, but that ability....

[@emperorcubone]

I was mostly talking about the typings specifically, but you're 100% correct...

[@francissanchez3759]

wish pokemon has Elemental Reactions instead of weaknesses and resistances like in Genshin Impact

[@ariohandoyo5973]

In the past i played a game named Pokemon Emerald, i did caught Nincada that time, however, i just kept it on computer in Pokemon ceters.😊

[@joltx9909]

It feels to me that arauqanid was gamefreak's way to make up to us for surskit several gens later

[@BepisQueen]

Where’s pupitar?

[@emperorcubone]

That's a good point, the Ground was way better, but honestly since a third of the list was Johto already, with Sulgma as a real contender, I wanted to branch out a bit...

[@BepisQueen]

@@emperorcubone that’s all fair. I was honestly expecting it to be number 1 since Tyranitar has one of the worst type combinations in the game, guess I was wrong 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@jjc_desu]

I think pikachu could have been mentioned here. Its electric type has only one weakness in ground and evolving it in alola will add a psychic type that will also add bug, dark and ghost weakness. Obv it doubles the stab super effective moves having water, flying, poison, and fightning but we are talking about the defensive type combination

[@emperorcubone]

That's true, and even then the Psychic coverage would really only be useful against the Fighting, since Poison seemed a bit rare in Alola, at least compared to Kanto...

[@ilovegarradors]

Honestly I have such a soft spot for nincada and surskit, i started duing teams based on prevolution bug types that lose a typing when evolving. It normally consists of nincada (a favorite of mine), surskit, scyther and scorupi.

[@musicandsharpies]

The Oddish/Gloom loses the poison typing because of using a Sun Stone, you could argue that that "purifies" the Pokémon of poison, no?

[@emperorcubone]

Maybe, but counter; they've been using the sun their whole lives to eat with photosynthesis, so what's the difference?

[@PaBlo-jk4hv]

@@emperorcubone But some Pokedex entries say that oddish grows with moonlight and it learns moonlight by level up and not synthesis

[@musicandsharpies]

@@emperorcubone but going with your point, there are Pokémon who live in power plants that need a Thunderstone to evolve and Pokémon who live in water that need Waterstones. I know it's specific to to Gloom losing the dual typing, but maybe it's a concentrated burst of energy within the stones?

[@topdog23100]

As much as I like Crabominable in terms of design, I hate how slow it is, and how long it takes to evolve Crabrawler

[@emperorcubone]

They did up it in the Ultra games, by only by an island and a half, the game is still mostly over before you can evolve it...

[@Frogboyaidan]

You like that monstrositys I'm surprised 😯

[@skylarutd]

You shd make a video on 3 stage evolution designs which everyone likes

[@emperorcubone]

That's harder than it sounds, most things will always find some detractors...

[@rouge_voltage2.0]

I remember finding Nincada so strong back then being able to resist Electric type moves. So when mine involved into Ninjask, I started using it less more :(((

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Togetic _does_ get Roost as a sort of byproduct of becoming a Flying-type. Which helped me a lot in running off-meta Eviolite builds back in Gen 7. Though I definitely did find myself constantly wishing it got Roost _and_ was still pure Fairy, like how Dunsparce gets Roost thanks to its "wings" despite being pure Normal, so the point still stands. And yes, I'll acknowledge that the video was talking more so about Togetic and less about Togekiss.

[@emperorcubone]

Exactly; if you have to wait until a Shiny Stone, it's not that great. And I'd give you Roost, if it weren't a TM. I can't believe even in Gen 7 Togetic got NO levelup Flying moves...

[@johntaylor1189]

Crabominable reminds me, I really think Ice should resist normal. Why does rock resist normal? Because rocks are hard. Why does steel resist normal? Because steel is hard. Why doesn’t ice resist normal?

[@igorstark9514]

👀

[@Rabbitlord108]

Also feel like it should resist Water.

[@johntaylor1189]

@@Rabbitlord108 That makes sense too. Maybe certain moves like scald or steam eruption would work like freeze-dry and be super effective, but the rest should be resisted.

[@PHiLLy2c]

Im just here to protect crabominal from the hate

[@fishfox]

there are people that actually like this hideous eyesore? u do u....i guess

[@PHiLLy2c]

@@fishfox just because you find it ugly doesn’t make it bad especially since its phenomenal on trick room teams

[@fishfox]

@@PHiLLy2c i never said it was bad in battle...ice fighting is great offensively and i have used it in sun/moon before, off the top i can only think of froslass and tentacruel resisting the stab still, no denying it's horribly ugly

[@MrLucasrn]

Eevee… don’t evolve me into Flareon.

[@trustyourforce4041]

I wish they would add some more resistances to the Ice type.

[@schiefman01]

Good morning! Thanks for the post!

[@SaintoftheHonest]

Hot take: Crabomnible wouldn't be so vehemently hated if you could just get it sooner in the game (say around the fourth trial)

[@emperorcubone]

Maybe, but then people wouldn't like "it" just the fact that they could kill stuff really easily so early in the game. If it wasn't until the late game in Paldea people wouldn't like it in that game...

[@CrossoverFan4life]

You can get it earlier in Ultra Sun and moon I think. I may be thinking of VikaVolt

[@Amelia4111]

IT'S CRABOMINABLE, NOT CRABOMNIBLE!

[@MimeJrD]

I was hoping to see hisuian avalugg. Rock giving it two more weaknesses and making two it already had worse doesn’t do it any favors

[@emperorcubone]

Oh, you know that's actually a really high contender! Rock did not help Avalugg...

[@matthewmations123]

I feel like Ninjask would and should’ve been the first Bug/Dark before Gen 9 because it’s a ninja.

[@BrianStorm742]

Haven't watched the video yet but Surskit and Masquerain better be on this list

[@GameBreaker1055]

Given how common ground and psychic are, is not having a poison type really bad for a grass type? The fighting resistance is not really a big deal and poison moves are not that common so what useful resistances or neutralities do you even get?

[@outbackranger1088]

While it doesn’t make it worse gameplay wise I think it’s stupid that Skorupi loses the bug type upon evolving mostly due to what it’s based on.

[@frankunodostres473]

gloom to bellossom is still such a baffling evolution. it makes no sense from a gameplay perspective unless you really like bellossom for some reason. of all the weird branch evolutions they liked doing in the first few gens, this one is the worst offender. they did a very similar thing in the shape of politoed but atleast made it good so you had a valid reason to pick that evolution

[@Cool_Kid95]

Nincada is part ground?!

[@emperorcubone]

See, this is why we need it on the whole line!

[@Churdizard]

I like how Axew was shown first and then Haxorus "...becoming the complete versions of the concepts that were originally envisioned". Ironically Haxorus was the first Unova Pokemon designed, Axew and Fraxure were designed after by someone else.

[@nickdentoom1173]

Surprised not to see Greninja on this list. Its literally one of, if not the worst Pokemon in Kalos typing wise (And it doesn't look good in other regions either). Due to its Dark typing, Greninja becomes weak to Fighting, Fairy and Bug, on top of its Grass and Electric weaknesses. And only looking at the introductory region as well... since that is where a Pokemon can really shine (I mean... Ninjask isn't bad in Kalos or Galar for example, since in Kalos... its weak to three of the gym leaders and one of the elite 4, only looking at typing here, while its a check for Bug, Fighting, Grass and Psychic and is a solid check for both Mega Gardevoir and Diantha's Hawlucha) and in Galar, its only weak against Kabu and Gordie/Melony, while it checks Bea and Milo. I think its unfair you don't look at introductory region only... since that changes a couple of things for some Pokemon. Like... if we look at Introductory region... some Pokemon people might see as bad... are actually really good and vice versa as well.

[@aaaaaa-ts3rw]

Honestly I was all ready to disagree with this video but you found some good ones lmao I do think that a couple type changes are situationally useful, and frankly that means that they don't need to compete with others. A pure fairy togetic would've had to compete with aromatisse and slurpuff, but this one has some really niches by having a fairy AND ground immunity. Same with crabominable... as a pure fighting type it was never going to stack up with the monsters that are conkeldurr, machamp, and sawk/throh (among others). Not to say that it does now, but there are *some* uses for the extra typing like hitting grass/poisons and flying types for super effective damage (and if it had more speed I'm pretty sure it would've been absolutely deadly) I guess my point is that design space is a way to carve out a reason to use a pokemon and I find that matters more than how good the mon is in a vacuum. I'd rather have a really big diagonal downgrade than even a slight direct downgrade so that the mon has some justification to exist, and unique (even bad) typing can do that for me

[@emperorcubone]

Sure, and those examples are justified, but with the likes of the Hoenn Bugs that WERE unique, and then not for no reason are a bit more confusing...

[@aaaaaa-ts3rw]

@@emperorcubone totally agreed, bellossom and the billion bug flying mons can stop - I never really noticed that nincada had kind of a sick typing before the evo

[@FaeQueenCory]

Flying type harms Togetic? Thunderwave STAB Serene Grace Air Slash Argument invalid.

[@Rabbitlord108]

Here's one I'm shocked wasn't on the list.Torterra. I mean it gains a 4X weakness to Ice. I think it should've become Grass Rock instead. Also shocked by the lack of a joke about Pokémon as a franchise getting worse when it gained the 3rd dimension.

[@whitethunder9064]

I like the grass type, but whenever I see that my party needs a type to go against water, I always seek out electric types first.

[@somethingsomething7993]

Yeah, if I were to choose between the 2 I would choose I pure electric considering electrics 1 weakness

[@tyrantneptune3202]

In R/B/Y specifically, I'd say Eevee into Flareon. Charmeleon gaining Flying doesn't really do it much favors no matter the generation.

[@atroecious9357]

I remember hearing, back in the RBY days, that Togepi evolved into a Fighting type over 3 stages that slowly got rid of more of its muscles. Maybe that would have been better for Togepi in the long run, with the addition of Fairy

[@thealientree3821]

Alternate title: Why Evolving Into Flying Type is BAD

[@proudunitedstatesmarine280]

Cycadas don't even use their wings for flying so ninjask being bug/flying doesn't make any sense biologically speaking it would've been perfectly reasonable to remain bug/ground even as a ninjask

[@Y0sh1no5am]

Battle with a baby pokemon is just so wrong to me. Babies aint fighters? Who brings their 5 year old kid to a boxing match and make them fight a huge muscular old guy? Just wrong. U should take them to the day care until they high level enough to evolve. Use rare candies and treat the baby. Give them vitamin so their stats grows. Until they evolve to their final stage then I could allow them to battle. But Pokemon Battles with Babies is just no to me.

[@WarmLillie]

Sometimes evolution is a step backwards than foward

[@ginak5802]

I did not know Nincada was part ground. Mind blown! 😂 I legit always thought it was 100% bug

[@francissanchez3759]

weaknesses and resistances give pokemon types injustice rock and fire look awesome but why did they make it so bad in gameplay

[@sebman97]

Togepi is normal fairy which is a worse typing than the fairy flying it's evos get. It loses a fighting resistance but gains a ghost immunity. On the other hand, togetic gains a ground immunity and a lot more resistances. Idk I think the fairy flying is pretty good on togetic

[@colindion4611]

Togekiss has a lot of coverage moves with aura sphere for steel, rock, and ice. And psychic for poison types. The only type it doesnt have coverage for is electric.

[@TheCrazyhusky]

personally I still think Bellossom should have become part fire type. Trading out the poison for a firey little sunflowers. Its like sunflora and has a focus on the sun.

[@elpabloescobar8278]

I feel like crabbrawler gets the worst. Slow gains weakness doesn't get anything out of it and it's just all around bad. Bellossom needs the fairy type added or something. Being only grass isn't that good and losing stab on moves doesn't do it any good either

[@TheChefCain]

Video suggestion: top single type Pokémon ? Love the content!

[@emperorcubone]

Uh, I believe you're mistaken, every Pokemon is dual typed, and even some are triple typed... Ooh, or the worst of every type?

[@Frogboyaidan]

@@emperorcubone they mean pure type

[@nickdentoom1173]

@@emperorcubone The worst of every type.. Lolll thats really simple for Normal... its either Unown or Ditto (I think Ditto, since it can only learn Transform).

[@thePersonoyt]

@@nickdentoom1173 unown is psychic type. And ditto is really cool

[@jonahdengler3858]

It’s pronounced nin-CAH-duh, “Patrick Star”. 🤨

[@sebastianmalpica3795]

Being type dark/rock is straight up asking to get your butt kicked.

[@jaynajuly2140]

Beedrill, Venomoth, and Dustox for flying bugs who lack the Flying type or the Levitate ability. Don't know why they didn't think to do the same with Masquerain...

[@emperorcubone]

Right, it's been a thing since Gen 1 so I don't know why it would be a problem to do it with a Water type. I mean even Goldeen gets to float for no reason!

[@poppyfrancis7338]

I feel like Dottler and Orbeetle's type is only worse because of the archetype they're trying to fill. Bug and Psychic are overwhelmingly offensive types with either situational or non-existent defensive utility depending on what status moves they get. Orbeetle would undoubtedly be better if it actually used the offensive potential bug and psychic have, rather than trying to be something it can't.

[@Thrillin_Chillin_Drillin]

Bug and fire is a bad combo but what if it is on a pseudo legendary with quiver dance

[@hankpeterschmidt8626]

Mega aggron is disappointing in terms of type. It regains vulnerability to fire.

[@danr8267]

I just wanna say I love your videos especially the music selection

[@emperorcubone]

Thank you! I do try to pick appropriate musical accompaniment...

[@dragonmaster613]

Team Sky would like to have a word with you about all this Flying hating.