The Wizard of Oz and the Dark Side of Hollywood

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

Ironic how a film about exposing the man behind the curtain ultimately loses its magic once you look behind its own curtains.

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

Behind closed curtains

[@wolfbones666]

Just like Hollywood. 😃

[@infamRedYoshi]

Also just like a company with a similar motto, Disney

[@blackranger7597]

It adds to the brilliance of the film somehow

[@thelibyanplzcomeback]

Just like Toy Story 2's famous line, "you can't rush art".

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*Trivial Fact:* The Wizard of Oz book was originally titled as "The Emerald City" but the publishers, who are superstitious, believed that the emerald was a sign of bad luck so they asked Frank to change it. Baum found the name for the fair country drawer on the cabinet file that was named "O - Z". He also named the protagonist Dorothy Gale after his niece who died while writing a book.

[@bobbysmith3503]

Why is the Emerald considered unlucky?

[@dylana0032]

Fun fact 3: the wizard of oz story is thought to originally be populist propaganda. The emerald city being a metaphor for big industrial cities like NYC. The tin man being a metaphor for a factory worker, the scarecrow being a metaphor for the farmers that couldnt make enough money to support themselves, and the lion being a metaphor for the democratic presidential cantidate William Jennings Brian who could have brought the populist movement to the white house if he was fully committed.

[@FelipeJaquez]

@@dylana0032 sounding like my English Teacher rn

[@alphalax7747]

@@dylana0032 and Death Grips also caused the Ariana Grande bombing

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I find it kinda funny, because my high school marching band was named “The Emerald Aliance”. The year before I joined they did a show called “Wicked” about the Wicked Witch of the West. Just an interesting coincidence.

[@desperadooshm6961]

The entire time I was like “This can’t get any worse right?” And then it got worse

[@robbiemcneish4459]

I kept on thinking of TF2. "There's more.." "No..."

[@songbirdsandsandwiches8217]

"Okay it can't get any worse, right? I mean they pretty much turned the broom into a homemade pipe bomb and made her ride on it before it exploded" Emp : "it's thought this was caused by covering the pipe with asbestos, which was also used in the snow for one of the scenes"

[@steam1873]

For real

[@MaskedMan66]

Bear in mind that (a) moviemaking has always been a tough business and (b) much of what's in this video has been exaggerated to insane degrees. Some of the info here is false.

[@kirbyarroyo2118]

@@MaskedMan66 stop

[@tigerwareagle1485]

Margaret Hamilton Almost getting burned alive, had her skin almost permanently green, and was put in a hospital for days, and still put on a stellar performance. WHAT A BEAST!

[@MaskedMan66]

She got second degree burns on her face and third degree burns on her right hand; the rest of her was okay. Her skin bore traces of green for a just few weeks; in later years, she liked talking about having had to assure people that she wasn't feeling ill. 🙂 Also, she recovered at home, not in a hospital. The studio doctor had already administered treatment on the set, and her personal physician looked after her from then onward. But yes, Miss Hamilton was a tough lady, one of the real troupers.

[@MaskedMan66]

The fact is that she loved playing the Wicked Witch because it was so different from the roles she usually played, of which Miss Gulch was an example. After the movie, she reprised the role on stage and on T.V. many times.

[@acacia8261]

@@MaskedMan66 wrong

[@MaskedMan66]

@@acacia8261 Historically verified, Mr. Goldman.

[@acacia8261]

@@MaskedMan66 wrong

[@foxowl374]

"Don't have to worry about a downward spiral if we're already at the bottom." -Hollywood, probably

[@ozvoid1245]

-Hollywood, definitely

[@FatallyParasocial]

-Hollywood, guaranteedly

[@gmann215]

There is no bottom, only the infinite void of the downward spiral.

[@ixxirecords26]

@@gmann215 facts. true rock bottom is 8x6 down in the Earth....

[@mmyr8ado.360]

And with the current trends, they're practically pioneers in reaching its bottom

[@ChrisMolyneaux93]

Margaret Hamilton, when not playing one of the scariest villains of your childhood, was an elementary school teacher. Take that however you will.

[@brokefrogproductions]

I'm guess not one of her students ever missed an assignment.

[@MaskedMan66]

She also taught Sunday School. :-)

[@Gelbton]

Reading this makes me really sad

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Gelbton Why?

[@jamesgreen1166]

It’s usually the bad guys who are the nice ones in reality & visa versa…

[@RosebudKane41]

Listen to the tapes of Judy toward the end of her life that she recorded for an autobiography. Her drunken drugged up rants about the industry are eye opening, such a tortured soul after the ringer she was out through by the evil s.o.b.s in Hollyweird

[@Serioslump]

Where can I find these tapes? Are they available on KZbin? This sounds so interesting!

[@RosebudKane41]

@@Serioslump They are all in this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLF2932280AE5133F7

[@SENATORPAIN1]

boozed up druggies say alot of things to be taken with a grain of salt.

[@Logicalporkpie]

@@SENATORPAIN1 sheep! Think for yourself.

[@wolfrayet0042]

@@Logicalporkpie what?

[@beanman395]

Shortly after watching this, I was given a school assignment to write about how drugs affected the life of a celebrity and how they got on the drug. I did Judy Garland inspired by the video and while everyone else did mostly rappers, everyone who asked me who I was doing would not know who she played. After looking deeper into her life, it somehow is even more tragic than shown here. I feel really bad for her

[@MaskedMan66]

Judy was not under any requirements for meds when she made this movie.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Jacqueline Davis Why are you so hostile to the truth? You'd think people would be glad to know that all the guff about Judy being victimized on this picture is not true. By the way, "eat grass" means "take a bribe."

[@garrtoons4303]

Especially since she was sexually harassed by the actors who played the Munchkins (thank Garland's ex-husband Sid Luft for the information).

[@Extremezotako]

Yeah

[@cirrus1286]

@@garrtoons4303 good god thats... i had no idea that even happened.

[@despaceto1152]

It broke my heart when Margaret Hamilton was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. To be in suffering with the rest of the crew, the lasting effects go on longer than Judy's addictions. I give no shortage of sympathy on Judy's trauma, but for Hamilton to slowly forget all she is and has done, for her real person and place in the world fade away, is truely disheartening.

[@truereaper4572]

Alzheimer's is an awful, awful thing.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

@@truereaper4572 soul is gone

[@jero37]

It is the slow death of memory, though I believe the personality is usually left unscathed. It's like soap opera amnesia without the moment where you suddenly get it all back.

[@Rahnonymous]

@@truereaper4572 It's like hollowing in Dark Souls, only it's real

[@MaskedMan66]

Nothing that happened to Miss Hamilton while making "Wizard"-- or indeed any of the other movies, T.V. shows, and stage plays she worked in-- had anything to do with her Alzheimer's.

[@DomStu700]

You recieve: Physical and mental scars that you will never forget. I recieve: The most watched film of all time

[@MaskedMan66]

Margaret Hamilton, who, as everyone knows, got burned while making the movie, adored the finished product, and never dwelled on her scars.

[@dantethewanderer4989]

@@MaskedMan66 Damn it's almost like Alzheimers makes it hard to dwell on anything

[@MaskedMan66]

@@dantethewanderer4989 I'm talking about before she got Alzheimer's.

[@neonbelly4]

@@dantethewanderer4989 hahahah

[@Man-kk3bn]

@@dantethewanderer4989 brooooooooo

[@rustycage]

If I only had keeps sponsorship...

[@chemistryguy500]

hi rusty

[@Eternale26Fundación]

ri husty

[@zashbot]

bro we are friends. bro. i love you bro we are ki...ssing. bro....

[@TheElectricCheeseProductions22]

I can imagine you actually living in a place that looks like that on the outside

[@BaboonGaming77]

hi rusty

[@CrispyToast]

I always knew that Hollywood in general was horrible and they treat their celebrities, but this was even horrible than I thought.

[@MaskedMan66]

This video is a sensationalist diatribe, full of exaggerations and lies.

[@samuelaviles824]

@@MaskedMan66 no, i don't think so

[@MaskedMan66]

@@samuelaviles824 I do, especially having read the authoritative books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.

[@FlakyMusic]

@@MaskedMan66 tl;dr

[@MaskedMan66]

@@FlakyMusic It was one short paragraph. Don't be cowardly.

[@simpleinverso8628]

Hollywood can be a hell of a place. It looks so bright and shiny on the outside, but inside it is completely rotten.

[@shawklan27]

So like most industries we grow up wanting to be apart of?

[@lazwit5513]

@@shawklan27 Yeah, exactly like that. It's unfortunate but what are ya gonna do.

[@hughjass1976]

Fitting that Disney's first film featured a poisoned but beautiful apple

[@GarrettStelly]

this

[@t.servo55408]

Yeah, forget the film industry. They treat employees like commodities. I'm going to the NFL instead.lol

[@codenamelarry6518]

"It is art, not the artist, that stands the test of time." People will remember you for what you do, because it's your actions that define who you are.

[@ozvoid1245]

I guess no one said the artist can't be the art themselves.

[@warbossgegguz679]

More like "that's a very obvious observation of mortality, Emp." As is the case with this comment. Is Emp like a philosophy or psych student or something? Because he always seems to want to make these ties to very elementary concepts in those fields with this gravitas like they're fucking mind-blowing and deep when they're all really basic and naïve perspectives of existentialism. I didn't major/minor in philosophy, but I've been into it since freshman year highschool and some of Emps attempts at being deep reek of "Freshman who read one essay by Nietzsche and wants everyone to know." We haven't even questioned the validity of empiricism yet ffs. Like, the info in the video is cool, but the end portion was really "wannabe deep" about things that are REALLY basic concepts.

[@alphalax7747]

@@ozvoid1245 there's that saying that people usually cant look at the artist without thinking about the art

[@ozvoid1245]

@@warbossgegguz679 I personally just see it more as him making the most out of a concept or subject. It's essentially him appreciating small, obscure, or seemingly insignificant concepts, and his message is usually that sometimes we need to appreciate those things too. He doesn't care if people don't care to appreciate these things, because they actually aren't important. The reason he does this for those looking to appreciate something. He's not stating to himself, as if his mind was blown from the information, but instead is for others that never thought about these kinds of things. It's a niche really, that's all.

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

@@warbossgegguz679 Its not like the whole field of philosophy is surface level or anything

[@Ammi553]

Hollywood has always been like an anglerfish honestly, it baits in you with something nice and shiny and then it eats you whole and shits you out with no remorse

[@hossdelgado626]

That's a good metaphor.. hyperbole? Other english terms? I dunno, I'm not an Englishalogist

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

@@hossdelgado626 It is a methaphor, don't worry, you were right.

[@xXPurpleLoliTranceXx]

Heartbreaking

[@hippothehippo]

@Joshna Frank On a full technical level it’s a simile, because it uses the word “like”. A metaphor directly equates two things, a simile relates them. So “Hollywood is _like_ an anglerfish” is a simile, while “Hollywood is an anglerfish” is a metaphor.

[@hossdelgado626]

@@hippothehippo I don't care :)

[@takhideous6360]

This video makes me so grateful that Macaulay Culkin is doing really well these days. He seems like he and his wife have been able to keep a relatively low profile in the popular media and raise their kid and being able to see him joking along with Red Letter Media makes me really happy. I’m really glad he seems to be recovering

[@MsZsc]

i only know he did an ad with google calling back home alone

[@alienboy1322]

@@MsZsc And it was awesome. I hope one day Macaulay Culkin stars in a mainstream film.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@alienboy1322 The _Home Alone_ movies were mainstream.

[@alienboy1322]

@@MaskedMan66 By that, I mean now. As an adult.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@alienboy1322 He doesn't seem much interested in acting these days apart from the occasional cameo.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I can't imagine being in that 100lb lion suit the whole day, nobody just willingly signs up for that torture

[@leoelbocchifan]

He was a furry

[@TheLunarMan]

There is something pretty badass about wearing an actual lion pelt though.

[@y2kona]

yoo its the justin 2.0

[@ibraveheart5700]

@@leoelbocchifan 😂😂😂

[@coolikep617]

When people have the thirst for clout they're capable of unimaginable things...

[@TomboyCEO]

Margaret Hamilton was a real class act. You really couldn’t have met a nicer lady, it’s very funny that she played the wicked witch.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

The price of death

[@thegreenbird795]

Also she was a distant cousin to Commissioner Gordon of Batman 1966 fame.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Jared Jams That's true! I've met Dave Prowse, Jacqueline Pearce, Eric Roberts, and other people who have played some very evil characters, yet they themselves were the nicest and most genuine folks you could ever hope to meet.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@thegreenbird795 Neil Hamilton, yep!

[@Helladamnleet]

@Jared Jams It's like the guy who plays Cyrus on TPB is actually super cool IRL.

[@91thewatcher23]

Today, we learn why there's a union for every group in the film industry

[@kimgkomg]

"One man can only start so many unions"

[@MaskedMan66]

@@kimgkomg Mickey Rooney was in quite a few unions. ;-)

[@garybrown2039]

Yep, and it saddens me that many people feel uneasy about the modern ones today.

[@nightfall1826]

@@garybrown2039 Blame the mob.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

@MaskedMan66 My dad doesn’t like Mickey Rooney too much. Apparently when he was growing up, he was forced to watch all the Andy Hardy movies alongside his brothers and sisters as part of an archaic family activity known as Movie Night. I can only imagine the intense discomfort and suffering he went through having to watch those films over and over, just sayin’. 😱

[@dylanmurphy9014]

I love how at 19:45, he starts playing a version of “Any Color You Like” from Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon,” an album which was rumored to be perfectly synced as a secondary soundtrack to the Wizard of Oz. I also love that he put a rainbow over a triangle shaped object, a nice little nod to the album’s cover art. Good stuff!

[@MaskedMan66]

The "triangle shaped object" is a prism; if light is refracted through a prism, you get a rainbow.

[@redvolvershine4751]

I noticed that easter egg in the video too! Glad I'm not the only one to notice it

[@magic9080]

@@MaskedMan66 the "triangle shaped object" is a pyramid lol

[@MaskedMan66]

@@magic9080 It's a prism; dig the refracted light.

[@magic9080]

@@MaskedMan66 they were referring to the triangle shaped object at 19:45

[@fastony9659]

It's unfortunate that this film's groundbreaking achievements were born from some of the most harsh labor problems, conditions, and hazards to happen in the industry.

[@co2_os]

History repeats itself. The comparison to the pyramids at the end is spot on.

[@downnice95]

@@co2_os the cost of progress is often brutal

[@HelloHamburger]

Whenever something revolutionary happens, someone has to get hurt. It’s very sad though.

[@MaskedMan66]

Compared to some movies, before and since, this was a walk in the park.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Caleb OKAY Of course they used real guns; they still do. The secret is that they fire blanks.

[@supersnackbros2423]

EmpLemon is building his own yellow brick road; every new video he lays down is gold.

[@steamytaco7]

agreed

[@SquidOnaut]

Swung for favorited comment and missed

[@DCstar]

That comment is gold.

[@jq7517]

His videos are trash lol

[@nexonsartori1816]

facts

[@purplehaze2358]

It’s ironic to me how Return To Oz, the much darker film of the two, had far better conditions for its actors and actresses than Wizard Of Oz, the supposedly cheerier and friendlier one.

[@Pwn3r]

People here will not agree because they like to sh*t on Hollywood at every turn, but things did improve, which is why conditions are better now. Old Hollywood was brutal though.

[@melissacooper4282]

I liked Return to Oz better because it was much closer to the books than the 1939 MGM movie.

[@MaskedMan66]

RtO wasn't connected to MGM's "Wizard." And much of what this video tells is regurgitated rumor and lies.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@melissacooper4282 I've always thought that it was the most authentic bit of Oz ever filmed, with the possible exception of L. Frank Baum's own Oz movies.

[@jimmymcnulty5079]

@@Pwn3r you can't tell me those shitty yet beautiful actors and actresses aren't being trafficked for carnal stuff

[@Valveta17]

Its really sad that the horrifying details about The Wizard of Oz are often presented as quirky movie trivia or fun facts like... "did you know the actor that played the TinMan was allergic to the makeup?? Did you know the wicked witch was accidentally set on fire" instead of the negligent maiming/injury that it actually was.

[@MaskedMan66]

They were nothing but accidents, like millions that happen every day. Ebsen wasn't allergic to the aluminum powder, he had a bronchial condition that was aggravated by it. Nobody got maimed either.

[@JJLarge]

@@MaskedMan66 Cope harder. Maybe they were accidents, but you dont have that many 'accidents' in one movie filming without gross negligence

[@MaskedMan66]

@@JJLarge Yes, you do. Just as you have accidents (no need for quotation marks; they were genuinely accidents) every day in every industry in every walk of life. The nature of an accident is that it happens no matter how many measures have been taken. Was there "gross negligence" involved when Olivia Jackson lost her left arm filming a traffic chase scene in _Resident Evil: The Final Chapter?_ Or when David Holmes became paralyzed due to an accident while filming a Quiddich match for _Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part Two?"_ Or were they just the victims of accidents? In none of those three movies was anyone out to get the people who were injured.

[@piequals314]

​@@MaskedMan66 the idea is that you're supposed to plan ahead to minimize accidents. yeah, those movies you mentioned had accidents that resulted in harm, but the Wizard of Oz had so many that it was clear no one took even the slightest time to think about how to minimize the accidents. the clearest examples of this are the fact that: 1. the makeup for the first tin man was a powder, while the second was a paste. that's something they should've thought through ahead of time or changed immediately when the first tinman started getting sick. 2. when the witch caught fire, once she had recovered enough to return to work, they immediately were going to put her into a pyrotechnic stunt that then ALSO went wrong. you'd think they would triple-check it to ensure safety or cancel the thing entirely, but they didn't. Sure, these things were "accidents," but they were preventable if production had given any thought to them.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@piequals314 1. Actors (and everyday people) have been wearing powder as a component in make-up for centuries. Buddy Ebsen's make-up was white greasepaint dusted with aluminum powder, a process that had been tested and declared effective. Nobody had any way of knowing what would happen. Jack Haley's make-up, the aluminum paste, caused him no more problems than anyone can expect from having one's pores closed up, something that still happens with prosthetic make-up today. They just deal with it. 2. Margaret Hamilton (learn people's names if you're going to be talking about them) was not going to be given another "pyrotechnic stunt" upon returning to work because it was understood between her, Mervyn LeRoy, and Victor Fleming that she wasn't going to do anything involving fire. And how do you know they didn't check out the rig before Betty Danko sat on it? But the nature of an accident is that it can happen no matter how many precautions are taken. Shame on you for dismissing Olivia Jackson's severed arm and David Holmes's paralysis. They will have to deal with those for the rest of their lives. The people who were injured in _Wizard_ recovered and got on with their lives. Would that their self-appointed gatekeepers would do the same.

[@TheVodkaHaze]

Reminds me of how Malcolm MacDowell was basically tortured while making A Clockwork Orange. From the director Stanley Kubrick making his character have a pet snake when MacDowell has a fear of snakes, to him nearly drowning in one of the stunts, to him suffering long lasting eye damage from one of the more iconic scenes.

[@lestervarela3332]

Through all that however he was ironically the only actor to have positive things to say about Kubrick

[@theraymunator]

Kubrick has always been a massive asshole when it comes to how he treats those he works with. He is an amazing director and I really do appreciate his work, but then again, he treated his actors like trash, just look at how he treated Shelley Duvall on the set for The Shining.

[@antoniomaldonado8876]

@@theraymunator I was about to mention Kubrick's psychotic perfectionism in The Shining. Causing Shelley Duvall to literally lose strands of hair on set from all the stress and pressure he brought to her. Literally dozens and dozens of takes Duvall had to go through. Screaming in the bathroom scene if I'm correct. But yeah. Despite Kubrick's genius directing, he was an asshole.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"I WAS CURED ALRIGHT."_

[@sumvs5992]

@@antoniomaldonado8876 personally I still think she was pretty shit. I would hated to have seen the outtakes of her.

[@TerraHardcore]

its like the quote "They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time"

[@TheAzureNightmare]

Not wrong. You only *really* die when you're forgotten.

[@jonathonharbeck7287]

To be fair no one ever truly knows you so you are already dead.

[@bungle-man5000]

Then you only die if God says "I do not know you"

[@funkycord1336]

Yeah but sometimes the latter happens first

[@Quickpatch12]

This reminds me of a quote from One Piece, which really fits. "When does a man die? When he is shot by a bullet? No. When he suffers a disease? No. When he ate a soup made of a poisonous mushroom? No. A man dies when he is forgotten."

[@SbzBoris]

It's sad to see how happy and cartoony everyone was on-screen, but how much injuries, and dark conditions they had to do to make oz come to life.

[@jgm-ex6ls]

Maybe it was a good thing they never bothered doing a sequel back then because later books in the series would probably tax the cast way more due to being more epic in scope and harder to adapt with the technology of the time. Its good to quit while youre ahead as i can only imagine how much more screwed up the cast would be if they made this into a series.

[@michaelvandevusse3728]

Holy fuck honestly this film doesn't seem worth the entertainment it gave compared to the amount of suffering it created for those who made it. I could honestly say I would have rather it not have ever existed than have it exist and all these bad things happen to these people.

[@MaskedMan66]

Not "dark," just diffucult, like working on any movie. The people who made "Gone With the Wind" had much more drama on their set.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@jgm-ex6ls There was talk of doing a sequel, and both Ray Bolger and Judy Garland would have been up for it, but once the movie was out and the promotional tours were over, everyone was already off on other projects. Besides, I doubt they could have paid Jack Haley enough to put on the buckram suit again. I've always wondered, though, how they would have done "The Marvelous Land of Oz." Though Dorothy wasn't in the book, audiences would have insisted on her being worked in so they could see Judy in the role again. The central character Tip could have been played by Judy's pal Mickey Rooney, and maybe Buddy Ebsen could have finally made it to Oz as Jack Pumpkinhead. There was a hilarious Irish character actress named Una O'Connor, who would have been a perfect Mombi.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@michaelvandevusse3728 Everybody in the film considered it well worth the hard work; Margaret Hamilton, who suffered the most of anyone in the cast, loved the movie and was one of its biggest fans. She always appeared at Oz events and conventions, and even played the Wicked Witch many more times, both on stage and T.V. You have to understand that ANY movie is hard to make and that difficulties with costumes and special effects and other things were commonplace; even today you still get actors having injuries and other things going wrong. "Wizard" is by no means unique.

[@DankManPlays]

The second I heard that the snow was asbestos, I knew for a fact that everything was fucked

[@MaskedMan66]

The snow was crushed gypsum.

[@samielware1846]

@@MaskedMan66 Source?

[@MaskedMan66]

@@samielware1846 The book "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, two of the world's leading experts on Oz in general and this movie in particular..

[@Davethe3rd]

I wonder what the "asbestos" of our day will turn out to be? What's the fucked up shit we regularly consume or interact with that in about thirty to fifty years people will be like "OH MY GOD!!"

[@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866]

"Actors are temporary, we only remember the characters they portray." John Wayne: Hold my pilgrim!

[@warbossgegguz679]

Yep. Likewise, there are plenty of artists who's names eclipse even their works. I mean, can you name EVERY work of DaVinci, Michelangelo, Van Gogh, etc.? There are certain ultra famous ones that put the artist in the collective vernacular, but ultimately the person is just as if not occasionally more famous than the work of art. Same goes for Walt Disney, Tezuka, Stan Lee, Jim Henson... Being a creator or artist doesn't mean you're dooming yourself to be wholly eclipsed by your works if they are successful. I get that Emp is trying to play big-brain/existentialist (as he often does), but as is often the case it's a narrowminded/newbie perspective on the topics.

[@Artman2004]

Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

[@nickrustyson8124]

I think that is more so because John always played the same character

[@four-en-tee]

kid 50 years in the future: who tf is John Wayne? Reminds me a bit of Bruce Willis.

[@aleisinwndrlen7113]

@@Artman2004 Who said that?

[@user-rl4gs6up1t]

Most people ask why the Simpsons are green, but nobody asks why Hollywood is dark.

[@Potatotenkopf]

De-regulation and limitations of technology

[@trolledfrog678]

socity

[@iamssmrt5298]

@@trolledfrog678 ☝️ this 😥😥😓😓😢😢😢😭😰😰

[@alstoyle]

The memetic flow of information has surpassed the need for such questions. It's not your job to ask questions J. Only to create context.

[@Krystalmyth]

Capitalism. Of course.

[@collinmclaren6608]

"Oh yeah, the Cowardly Lion must've sucked wearing all that fur." **looks at the Wicked Witch and Tin Man, remembering this is the age of lead-lined paint** Oh...oh God

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Very powerful

[@MaskedMan66]

The make-up was not lead-lined.

[@melissacooper4282]

I remember that the make-up that Margaret Hamilton wore had copper in it.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@MaskedMan66 still, paint generally had lead in it back then, no way the face paints had anything good for you in them either. Go figure, also metals.

[@MaskedMan66]

​@@Slender_Man_186 Considering the fact that actors have been wearing greasepaint (main component: oil) on stage and screen since the 1860's and nobody's brought up any particular health concerns from it, I'd say nobody in "Wizard" was the least bit worried. And of course, nobody had any aftereffects.

[@blakegriplingph]

The child actress whom Judy Garland cited as an influence, Baby Peggy, also bore the brunt of Hollywood's dark and seedy side. Reading her memoirs about how her parents especially her dad turned her into a cross between a wind-up doll and a golden goose and how she witnessed and experienced abuse on set was a harrowing tale in itself.

[@daparks7055]

It’s crazy how common these scenarios are in the entertainment industry. Crunch culture in the gaming industry is similar to this. I’ve heard of people in studios working over 80 hrs a week. Edit: Thanks for all the likes lol

[@deaj8450]

Construction too. I'm done with working 70 to 80 hours a week doing dangerous shit in 100 degree weather.

[@grinningtiki220]

I worked on Lone Ranger from January to October. I averaged 90 hours a week.

[@cheekybananaboy3361]

thats capitalism for you lol. exploitation of the workers in practically every scenario. just a cog in a machine.

[@Cybernaut551]

@@cheekybananaboy3361 Being an entrepreneur is the best of capitalism, in fact, if you hate your job, ask someone about entrepreneurship and personal finance.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Got new pain

[@JalynCommentary]

This entire production sounds like a nightmare

[@kingcrimson2168]

Hi Jadyn: Aka verified commenter

[@DeanL6_]

@@kingcrimson2168 verified man says verified thing

[@acraftyhuragok7586]

That is the point of a KZbin poop production.

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

@@DeanL6_ Do not question, consume entertainment.

[@joeybar.]

hey buddy

[@Tacospaceman]

Wow. Holy shit. The amount of care put into the safety of the actors was almost exactly 0% fuck s given, amazing. I bet she was like “see I told you fire was a bad idea” after the broom exploded

[@rayminishi689]

Thats why companies now having strict safety regulations to follow these days.

[@Tacospaceman]

@@rayminishi689 good lol

[@Th3Kingism]

@@rayminishi689 There's an old saying that goes "regulations are written in blood", and often times for good reason.

[@Norweeg]

@@rayminishi689 SAG being one of them.

[@namenameson9065]

There's one important thing to consider. Back then movie tickets didn't cost 20 dollars. The costs and regulations today make everything so expensive it's harder to take risk on a loss. That's not just true for movies but for everything. Life is getting so expensive and the rise in costs are accelerating. This is how civilizations collapse. Eventually people can no longer afford to live, and the system breaks down. Oh, but at least actors get treated like gods for their ability to play pretend..

[@Treeeee2008]

I can't believe that such an iconic movie has such a dark backstory, the actors spent so much in pure misery, and poor Judy Garland was both abused and ridiculed by everyone. However could I look at this movie the same way knowing in the back of my mind that the actors had a hard time doing the movie.

[@MaskedMan66]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. It wasn't "dark," just difficult, like any movie. Actors are tough (or at least they were back then), and the ones in this movie could have told you about the real misery of vaudeville and just trying to make it in the biz. Judy was neither abused nor ridiculed by anyone involved in the making of "Wizard"; cast and crew alike were all impressed by her for her talent and sharp wit; bottom line, she was impossible not to like. And of course they had a hard time making the movie-- any actors on any movie did, and most still do.

[@gmdrandom6287]

@@MaskedMan66 It was bad conditions. Was it ok for her to eat so little? Was it ok for someone to wear a 100 pound costume? Was it ok to be blown up and be set on fire?

[@MaskedMan66]

@@gmdrandom6287 Judy ate enough to keep body and soul together; she was not starved. Bert Lahr's Lion suit weighed 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him, thank you. Actors have worn much heavier costumes than that, and still do. Nobody intended to blow anybody up or set them on fire-- with the obvious exception of when the WWW sets the Scarecrow's arm alight, and that went without a hitch. Accidents happen; welcome to the world.

[@jackfinster]

@@MaskedMan66 I've seen you make a lot of replies and refuting claims to people on this video and I'm curious about the sources of your information.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@jackfinster I'm happy to oblige. The three main authoritative books on the subject are “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. Other books which contain useful bits of information include "The Oz Scrapbook" (1977) by David L. Greene and Dick Martin, and "The World of Oz" (1985) by Allen Eyles. I hope that proves useful to you. :-)

[@pixellogic8993]

FUN FACT: On the set of the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was bullied and treated miserably by her co-actors. Ironically, the only friend she made on set was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

That was incredibly hard.

[@progunjack5556]

How is this "fun"?

[@RexcorJ]

:( I didm't have any fun with this.

[@iamhungey12345]

Fun...

[@nicmagtaan1132]

after watching this vid, her co-actors also suffered tremendous pain, it is just kinda sad they thrown their negativity towards judy

[@baja_lawmaster]

I remember when I was in kindergarten there was a Wizard of Oz play at my school and my music teacher let us sign up to be Munchkins, I was the last one in line and when I asked he told me there wasn't any Munchkin spots left but he did have a role for me... I was the tornado

[@AuntieC4]

Truly the most important role of the play

[@zero123alpha6]

The storm that was approaching?

[@crack4184]

You could have been Dorothy's dog. At least, the tornado only appears a few seconds

[@commissarvigil4806]

@Simple Weirdo h

[@lebro4401]

@@zero123alpha6 Provoking Black clouds in isolation Hes the reclaimer of his name Born in flames He has been blessed His family crest is a demon of death

[@TheShuckmeister]

I played Oz in the high school rendition of this. Dealing with theater kids was only slightly less terrible than the conditions of the real thing

[@relentlesschaos835]

Wow even other youtubers respect emp or like him im glad tbh.

[@relentlesschaos835]

Glad emp gets what he deserves

[@miguelibarrabuenrostro1160]

Nice

[@t.servo55408]

You're a theatre kid too though...

[@Tomas_2555]

I am early

[@Lylelanley99]

Buddy Ebsen didn't really miss out in the role of a lifetime. He had other movie roles such as Audrey Hepburn's husband in Breakfast at Tiffany's. He then went on to have a great career in television. First, as Jed Clampett in the most viewed show on television at the time, the Beverly Hiillbillies and then as the lead character in Barnaby Jones.

[@MaskedMan66]

Granted, but he did regret having to leave the movie. It was hopefully some small consolation that his voice is still on the soundtrack. Fun Fact 1: Some years after the movie, Ebsen appeared in a stage version of _Wizard_ as the Scarecrow! Fun Fact 2: In the feature film version of _The Beverly Hillbillies,_ which starred Jim Varney as Jed, Ebsen had a cameo-- as Barnaby Jones!

[@robroy6374]

i already know about fact #2 captain obvious. 🙄

[@MaskedMan66]

@@robroy6374 It's nothing to do with you, total stranger I've never encountered before.

[@robroy6374]

@@MaskedMan66 irrelevant to my comment sensitive vagrant I've never encountered before.

[@myguy4203]

I like how this guy talks about anything he wants to, unlike the trendy topic KZbinrs (no disrespect meant to them tho). EmpLemon takes his commentary on topics to a more creative level than most other people on this platform.

[@conorwhelan5767]

Facts

[@AxxLAfriku]

Me the ALPHA M*LE of this comment section and me command RESPECT. Right now me telling you to NOT observe any of me nice cool sweet videos. Instead just look at me awesome good powerful thumbnails. Thank you, dear m

[@conorwhelan5767]

@@AxxLAfriku no.

[@unfunnyjuice]

thats why we love him

[@ManCrushMondayTJ]

Yes disrespect the pussifucation of men

[@abebros]

“The dark side of Hollywood” implies the existence of a good side of Hollywood

[@itsbageltime]

We all know there is no good side

[@edd8914]

The good side is all the movies that we enjoy watching, like Dark Knight and Infinity Wars. (although there's a lot of movies that come out that are complete turds)

[@MaskedMan66]

Of course there's a good side, but people are so addicted to bad that they ignore it.

[@josh9592]

@@MaskedMan66 you are in literally every comment acting like a complete bozo i encourage you to please get help

[@MaskedMan66]

@@josh9592 Except that I'm not in every comment, literally or figuratively. I mainly deal with the people who are, knowingly or unwittingly, spewing false information. You'd probably ask Galileo to stop "acting like a bozo" and "get help" for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.

[@nightterror6727]

The creators of Wizard of Oz: Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

[@UpstopThrills]

Quest!? What kind of “Quest?”

[@caded1873]

*applause*

[@Disembow1280]

@Night Terror Let the Downward Spiral BEGIN!

[@EvalonGames]

Not entirely accurate. You mean to say, "the adapters of the Wizard of Oz." The original author of the Oz books had no involvement with the movie since he had died years prior.

[@uranium54321]

“Aw, did someone get addicted to meth?”

[@MidTierVillain]

Judy Garlands story is heartbreaking, which displays Hollywood never changed.. what’s accepted did, the heinous crimes committed became the norm. So sad. Reminds me of what Dave Chappelle stated about how the media will spin stories to protect those big wigs in Hollywood.

[@MaskedMan66]

That's as may be, but Judy's problems-- her real, life-shattering problems-- started after "Wizard."

[@acacia8261]

All that abuse just to make a movie, what a waste of time

[@tiruliru1189]

Yeah and instead of learning the lesson, they decided to inject politics into everything. Hollywood sucks

[@MaskedMan66]

@@acacia8261 There was no abuse.

[@acacia8261]

@@MaskedMan66 full of abuse

[@gustavogodoy9626]

And while all of this horror was happening, there were people living in the horror of poverty and lack of food. the '20s and 30s were fucking horrible

[@MaskedMan66]

No, the Depression had ended six years before, and while there were lasting effects, life had pretty much got back to normal. And the making of "Wizard" had its difficulties, but "horror" doesn't really apply.

[@seanvasquez523]

@@MaskedMan66 Well that's both true and not true at the same time. Is it true that people were getting close to being back to normal. However it took until world war 2 when the great depression finally ended and soon after the war was over the economy recovered. And also after all the production troubles that the movie had to go through is horror truly not enough for you?

[@MaskedMan66]

@@seanvasquez523 What I said stands. Economic restoration took some time, but the actual state of depression was over in 1933. Hollywood turned out 365 movies in 1939, a record that has not been matched since. Obviously things were going well financially for them if for no-one else. And people did still go to the movies; there are photos of people lined up around the block to see "Wizard." There were always huge crowds for the big premieres, wherever they occurred in the country. Yes, there were production troubles, but that was not a situation unique to "Wizard." And many of those have been exaggerated to ridiculous proportions by sensationalists and rumormongers. There were accidents. There was discomfort. But welcome to the world of moviemaking; there are still such things to endure nowadays. The people involved in the movie were very proud of the finished result, and you could not find bigger fans of it than Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton.

[@afellowhuman8944]

@@MaskedMan66 oh damn even here

[@MaskedMan66]

@@afellowhuman8944 Didn't you know? Like Dr. K, I'm everywhere!

[@-Raylight]

Jesus Hollywood, I thought there's a glimmer of light side in Hollywood. But nope, apparently it's all dark They "injured" all of their actors for life permanently and they just walk away with it. Respect for all people who documented this, respect for EmpLemon who researched and told us about this

[@bohba13]

This is why SAG was founded. While extreme, stories like this were common.

[@barnacles1352]

This is in the 30s. In over a 100 years lots have changed. Workers rights grew. Its better and maybe needs to get even better.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

100th like

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

You’ll hear these stories within literally any older popular movie.

[@barnacles1352]

@blah blah what?

[@killicks4896]

who knew that a youtube pooper is quickly becoming the most interesting essayist on youtube

[@saltytea7367]

I like to think that the youtube poops were just surreal essays.

[@overlord3481]

essayist? that word does not need to exist

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

@@overlord3481 Well it does. dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/essayist

[@sergiom.a.1236]

The genre is that shitty

[@johngreen8344]

Meanwhile, Schaffrillas and Tamatoa cough serupticiously from the sidelines..

[@MidNightRiderHD883]

I'm related to Margaret Hamilton and I was told it was lead paint. She had to hire someone to feed her bread when she went on break during the filming of, "The Wizard of Oz." Thank you so much for this video documentary EmpLemon. It's really sad to hear not that much has changed in the movie industry now going after U.S. veterans and special access programs through the D.O.D. for their content. "You never know when the next big block buster you see in theater was inspired by the Pentagon, or cia."

[@MaskedMan66]

You were misinformed. Her make-up was greasepaint, which actors have been using for centuries, and still do. Her make-up, and that of the thirty or so actors who played the Winkies, had copper mixed in to make it green. How are you related to Miss Hamilton?

[@ed_ward6869]

And what's funny about the Wizard of Oz and MGM's quest to use it as a way to flex their strength, is that MGM doesn't even own it anymore, or any of their pre-1980s movies.

[@bigboi5545]

MGM is such an incredibly irrelevant studio in the current entertainment landscape. Now I want to know what happened that made them fall so far.

[@ed_ward6869]

@@bigboi5545 Poor management in the 70s and 80s for one. Two would be that there was some corporate reshuffle that resulted in them losing all their pre-80s movies to Turner/WB.

[@theketaminekid1241]

@@tripplefives1402 That'll be a sight to see.

[@MaskedMan66]

MGM hasn't existed for some years.

[@ladylilith6495]

I can't help but feel like this film's production would ironically make for a decent film all its own... like a period-correct Noire flick or something.

[@elijahblechman8633]

Nah that'd have to be ironically colorfully

[@gjergjaurelius9798]

Like disaster flick?

[@Attmay]

They made a movie in the 1980s about the casting of the munchkins, but it wasn’t very good.

[@MaskedMan66]

So long as John Fricke was in charge of it; that way we'd get the true story and not any sensationalized garbage.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Attmay If you're talking about "Under the Rainbow," that was a total fabrication based on lies and bigotry.

This video has some amazing lines. "Unlike Dorothy, Judy Garland never made it over the rainbow." Actually made me tear up. And then the closing "We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life, but at the very least, art can get us pretty damn close."

[@newguy90]

"Never made it over the rainbow" was a quote from Judy Garland that she made in private recordings. Those recordings are on KZbin somewhere.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Top scops

[@memberberries1823]

Grow a pair

[@mickeymouse2able]

yes, she did. Even with all her Peccadilloes she earned her wings. She worked hard and wanted to really please her audiences. She made it Over the Rainbow.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@mickeymouse2able Well said. :-)

[@edenengland1883]

i think the worst part about this is that pretty much everything that caused the team harm was completely unnecessary so many things were completely avoidable if things were done just barely different

[@MaskedMan66]

Accidents are accidents; millions of them happen every day. Make-up was necessary to create the illusion of a different skin color or texture; nobody foresaw accidents, because nobody ever does.

[@KittSpiken]

Who could forget the timeless characters: Dora the Expat, Ironman, Snoop Lion and, my favorite, Strawdog Millionaire.

[@Mentally_Will]

Alright, that was clever.

[@vivisbestie4647]

Sup Percy and yes

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Heat drowsing inside

[@MaskedMan66]

Expat is right; in the books, Dorothy and her aunt and uncle move to Oz full time.

[@gp-1542]

Honestly the “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” is iconic

[@happysaucey]

Hollywood productions in a nutshell

[@MaskedMan66]

It was a screen in the book.

[@clonetrooper75]

@@MaskedMan66 you're a very pedantic man

[@MaskedMan66]

@@clonetrooper75 Nothing wrong with a bit of trivia here and there.

[@clonetrooper75]

@@MaskedMan66sure, just dont be such a knob jockey about it

[@sehtuk3953]

Y'know looking at all this makes me think CGI was actually one of the best things to happen in the industry since the actors are never in danger from practical effects like they are here, quality be damned.

[@MaskedMan66]

There's danger in any occupation-- there's danger in just stepping outside your door. Welcome to life.

[@MeeraRustshieldSystem]

@@MaskedMan66 There's a difference between "danger" from daily life and unnecessary, huge danger from a professional job that's supposed to make things as safe as possible.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@MeeraRustshieldSystem Exactly what would "necessary danger" be? Danger is danger. It can be big or small. And it can also be survivable.

[@MeeraRustshieldSystem]

@@MaskedMan66 If it can be preventable, it's unnecessary. Sure, cooking is inherintly dangerous and you can get burned in the process, and stunt acting is an inherintly risky job doing risky maneuvers, but even in those you have to prevent danger as much as possible. There's a difference between "stunt went wrong, injured my arm" and "stunt went wrong and I got burned alive" or "stunt went wrong and a huge explosion hit me, I also got alzheimer out of poisoning from my makeup".

[@MeeraRustshieldSystem]

That's why I don't get your comment Someone was just pointing out that "hey, CGI is good because it makes things less unnecessarily risky and dangerous things preventable" And you're just like "danger is a part of life", as if saying "I don't care about the safety of actors", even after watching what the potential consequences are.

[@karoluspatricius6271]

Only just found this video, and whilst it’s morbidly fascinating to learn about, I’m more horrified by the apparent mental state of the MaskedMan66 guy responding to literally every negative view on the films production in this entire comments section to defend it - I feel like I’ve just peered into the abyss

[@MaskedMan66]

Not negative, just untrue. There are plenty of negative things that happened during the production of this movie without inventing more of them. Have you actually looked critically into any of the reports that people blindly believe, like the lies about Judy Garland being abused and bullied by her co-stars? Or are you willing to read the books you've seen me recommend, which were written by historians who spoke to the people who created the film? Bottom line, you needn't worry about my "mental state" as all I'm here for-- and anyone could do what I'm doing-- is to provide the truth.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Adrian Vegas He's had no problem with my comments.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Adrian Vegas Got two, thanks. Next irrelevant comment?

[@MaskedMan66]

@Adrian Vegas Two's plenty. And your judgment is faulty. Why should someone who actually is after setting the record straight about this movie (and I'm not the only one) be restricted from it? Very baffling reasoning there.

[@MaskedMan66]

@Adrian Vegas I have the same amount of time as anyone in any given day, and it doesn't take much of it to dash off these comments. Truth is truth, and ratings are irrelevant to it. People always crowd around scandal; that doesn't make it true. "The National Enquirer" has been a top-selling publication for almost a century; does that mean it tells the truth? Think about that for a bit. I don't think "literally" everyone would appreciate you speaking for them; in point of fact, many people have taken the time to check out the facts and have realized the rumormongers are spreading nonsense.

[@minebrandon95264]

12:06 i literally got goosebumps thinking about how asbestos fell from the sky and all over them

[@adamofblastworks1517]

"Mmmm popcorn ceilings" looks at the ceiling of my entire house.

[@spaceinaspace8452]

@@adamofblastworks1517 *"FUNNY WEATHER WE ARE HAVING"*

[@Bacony_Cakes]

This ain't just regular asbestos, it's ARSENIC-COATED ASBESTOS WITH LEAD PAINT!

[@franklinbrooksstoppedcomme3267]

Literally raining death from above.

[@jamesgreen1166]

It’s like that scene in Chernobyl where the crowd reacting to the fallout as if it’s snow.

[@tristanparkk]

"You have to wonder if any of them ever regretted it" The guy who played the first tin man: "Am I joke to you?"

[@Xanthopathy]

You are joke to all

[@RainbowMilk1996]

He was in the Beverly Hillbillies. Classic show.

[@corncob4627]

*am I a joke to you

[@MaskedMan66]

In fact, he did regret not being able to continue.

[@MaskedMan66]

In fact, Buddy Ebsen did regret not being able to continue.

[@smelly4373]

I had known about Margaret and Judy’s treatment but I never realised the whole cast were treated so terribly. Now I’m wondering whether the flying monkeys were ok in their costumes...

[@Account_Not_Applicable]

Well, supposedly, during sequences of them flying, rather than use the normal wire harnesses, the crew used a thinner line to better hide the strings on camera. As a result, a lot of the wires broke

[@MaskedMan66]

It wasn't a matter of "mistreatment," it was a matter of hard work. The Winged Monkeys were just fine in their costumes; they were ordinary animal costumes. In fact, Pat Walshe, who played the WWW's wingless familiar Nikko, was famous for doing an astonishingly convincing chimpanzee impression using a hair suit and very little make-up.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Account_Not_Applicable They used regular harnesses, but one or two still broke.

[@Scorpiogirl_1029]

They didn't care about Bert's health, they just wanted him to keep working?! Such a piece of garbage their boss must be. It's sad that these amazingly talented people suffered in terrible ways, yet they all deserved better imo.

[@MaskedMan66]

This video is full of lies and misrepresentation. People don't realize, because rumormongers don't tell them, that they took frequent breaks to cool off; the lights were shut off, the doors were opened, and Bert was able to open his costume and also get his hands out.

[@acacia8261]

all just for a kid's movie

[@MaskedMan66]

@@acacia8261 A family movie, and one which the stars and crew loved. People have gone through far worse for other movies. Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on the last "Harry Potter" movie is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong. On some movie sets and locations, people have even died.

[@acacia8261]

@@MaskedMan66 wizard of oz is evil movie, evil

[@MaskedMan66]

@@acacia8261 Oscar, stick to giving Steve and Jaime their assignments. That's what you're good at.

[@DragonRagovi]

I've heard of Hollywood horror stories, but this is just heartbreaking. The lengths some people will go to see their dreams become reality is scary.

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

This is the dark and very scary truth in the business of acting.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@EnaTenkiyoGamer Nothing dark, nothing scary; it was just hard work.

[@MaskedMan66]

This video is full of gross exaggerations. Read up and get the real story from the people who know: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.

[@kiwiwasoncehere3623]

Jesus Christ the longer you watch the more of a real life horror story this becomes

[@es_three232]

My jaw dropped with every actor(res) talked about.

[@Antasma1]

In class, we were discussing how The Truman Show predicted actor exploitation, but here, it's clear it was always the case.

[@namenameson9065]

Real life can be pretty horrifying. Once modern society collapses due to rising costs and over-regulation that makes life impossible for people, you're going to find out.

[@Pwn3r]

@@namenameson9065 Whats over-regulation to you? If you think about it, most of the stuff that happened to these actors happened because of no regulations at all.. The rising cost of living though, for sure thats gonna do us in.

[@namenameson9065]

@@Pwn3r Well I'm no expert on anything, really, so I couldn't tell you specifically how much regulation is too much when it comes to various industries. BUT, I do know that we are regulating ourselves out of being able to function, and places like China are picking up what we're losing. So there is clearly a problem here. Our regulation is 1-sided. We shut ourselves down and make life impossible for ourselves, and then do nothing to prevent our global competition, that is actually quite hostile towards us and is in their own internal policies AT WAR with us, from gaining an advantage. This is suicidal really.

[@Cartoonizando]

Wow, what a surprise! My favorite KZbinr talking about my favorite movie. Even though it's about the atrocities that happened with the actors and all the people involved.

[@relentlesschaos835]

Fr emplemon is very unique amongst most other youtubers.

[@Gamerdread491]

@@relentlesschaos835 i agree.

[@thegnarledpirate9198]

I'm never seeing it as the same again.

[@IgorKock15]

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[@jamesabestos2800]

@@relentlesschaos835 Damn that ending got to me personally when I was thinking about what happens after death then closed my eye in trepidation.

[@munromister777]

another really good example of how badly child stars are treated is Bobby Driscoll, whose story would be a really interesting video. One of Disney's first contract actors, he was part of some big movies of Disney's early era (Song of the South, Treasure Island, and especially Peter Pan), but as soon as he hit puberty, he was dropped hard, weeks after Peter Pan came out. He fell into a spiral of drug use and depression, until he lost his life at 31.

[@MaskedMan66]

Judy wasn't badly treated here.

[@munromister777]

@@MaskedMan66 Ok? I was talking about Bobby Driscoll..

[@paperhat_boi]

@@MaskedMan66 she was

[@MaskedMan66]

@@paperhat_boi Nope.

[@Zombie81212]

as a fan of judy garland i knew about 95% of this already but seeing it all put together and edited by you really puts into perspective how catastrophic this production really was

[@MaskedMan66]

LOL It wasn't catastrophic. There were accidents, yes, but they were few and far between, and everyone involved got through them intact. It was just a very involved and complex movie to make, but so was "Gone With the Wind," which had more problems than "Wizard." But the cast and crew of "Wizard" were a solid team, and got the job done. This video is sensationalst and regurgitates a lot of rumor and lies. The real story is to be found in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.

[@kirbyarroyo2118]

@@MaskedMan66 off with your bs

[@quaker47]

@@MaskedMan66 bro it says you have over 200 comments on this video get help

[@MaskedMan66]

@@quaker47 You stalking me, "bro?"

[@moonfish3638]

@@MaskedMan66 it’s not stalking, tapping ur pfp says “292 comments on this channel”, it’s just a feature on mobile KZbin. Look, I get what you’re saying and don’t disagree with you, this video is very sensationalized and I don’t agree w a lot of it, but almost 300 comments on a single video genuinely makes you seem like you have an agenda behind correcting misinfo out of a passion for cinema history,

[@johnnyklebitzrevenge4793]

Everyone removed from the Public eye except Margaret Hamilton who got an episode of Sesame Street banned because she reprised her role as the wicked witch

[@theraymunator]

I remember hearing about it, they said it was too scary for kids, right?

[@ThatSchmoGuy]

She was also in an episode of Mister Rogers

[@johnnyklebitzrevenge4793]

@@theraymunator yeah, from what I heard, PBS was getting a bunch of WTF letters from parents

[@MaskedMan66]

What do you mean "removed from the public eye?" As long as any of these people lived, they made themselves visible; in the 1970's especially, Hamilton, Bolger and Haley were very much in the public eye because of the coming 40th anniversary in 1979. Bolger even reprised his Scarecrow for a musical skit on _The Donny & Marie Osmond Show_ in 1977. Likewise, Miss Hamilton played the Wicked Witch in _The Paul Lynde Halloween Special_ in 1976.

[@johnnyklebitzrevenge4793]

@@MaskedMan66 I'm not sure, I didn't grow up on Wizard of Oz. I just knew of the Maragaret Hamilton Sesame Street fiasco

[@paolo2763]

It's heartbreaking that a childish magical happy world has a background of toxic materials and abuse.

[@commissarvigil4806]

Thats metal as fuck

[@zil1832]

And now big techs of silicon valley, Google Facebook, Twitter, Amazon have monopoly on...not just on entertainment, but all sphere of life! Yet, still no intervention or talks of mitigating that problem...

[@pierrebegley2746]

Hollywood's Golden Age was always formed on the backs of the actors and actresses who suffered years of abuse, racism and sexism. It hasn't changed all that much now. The only difference is that Hollywood pretends to virtue signal while still being just as rotten as the executives from those many years ago.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Body almost dead

[@MaskedMan66]

You'll find toxic substances in pretty much any workplace. There was no abuse, only difficulties and the occasional accident.

[@Ethan-ey4jx]

I love how you decided to do informative videos instead of just YTPs. But still have some YTP humour to these videos.

[@BenJPics9925]

I also heard somewhere that Margaret Hamilton was one of the few people on the set that was actually nice to Judy Garland. Everybody else (even her co-stars) would always scold and yell at her, which sometimes resulted in her crying.

[@MaskedMan66]

Nope, that's a lie. The truth is that Judy loved to laugh and was always asking Bolger, Haley, and Lahr to tell her jokes; they were happy to oblige, but there were some that they thought best to keep from her young ears.

[@amberphylaxis7314]

@@MaskedMan66 You really come off as an annoying redditor starting flame wars on every comment's section you don't agree with. Go touch grass.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@amberphylaxis7314 All I do is tell the truth; it's rather astonishing how angry people get when confronted with the truth.

[@amberphylaxis7314]

@@MaskedMan66 It's rather astonishing how much time you have to go to each comment and try to correct people. My point still stands, go touch grass.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@amberphylaxis7314 It takes no time at all, and you would do well to read some reputable books on the movie rather than visiting sensationalist websites. You see, it's not me correcting, it's the correct information that does the correcting.

[@kweep1]

This movie is scary to look behind the scenes. The stories about the midget orgies really scarred me.

[@Generic_Gaming_Channel]

Excuse me...the *WHAT*

[@someguy4405]

@@Generic_Gaming_Channel Yeah I second that.

[@jamesgreen1166]

Watch the movie with Chevy chase. If it’s accurate then they were wee little gobshites

[@Generic_Gaming_Channel]

@@jamesgreen1166 oh...oh no

[@methodicalbeastgaming5511]

@@Generic_Gaming_Channel I'm intrigued and horrified at the same time

[@falkworld9970]

Buddy fate was depressing not only was he fired from one of the most greatest Hollywood movies ever made and a role of a iconic character. but he was left with chronic bronchitis that followed him to his death

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

And not even oaid

[@MaskedMan66]

He had a congenital bronchial problem from the time he was in his mama's womb. His fate was to go on to a long and prolific career in which he created two iconic T.V. characters, namely Jed Clampett and Barnaby Jones. He lived to the ripe old age of 95, and only died 18 years ago.

[@littlegyro8340]

The Keeps AD was entertaining for these reasons: •It is self-aware about EmpLemon doing yet another AD for Keeps. • It is a spot-on parody of the Tornado and the Wizard head scenes from the movie. • Once the AD was over, the tone changes from light-hearted to serious. The amount of effort in the video, even this AD really shows.

[@-Pulsar-]

An intresting quote I heard from one of my philosophy teachers in school. "Art is testament of the obsession of man to reach immortality!" Unfortently I don't know were it is from.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

I feel like even with the limited technology back then, they could have still made the costumes and makeup less insufferable to be in. For example, they could've used lighter material for the lion suit and green gloves for the Wicked Witch's hands.

[@ratedr7845]

They couldn't, that's why they did what they did, keep up

[@hannahbg1852]

@@ratedr7845 No, they were just rushing and were too greedy.

[@hannahbg1852]

Exactly. They weren't idiots in that era, it was just them wanting the film to look its best. They didnt look much into the costumes and how to make them more comfortable.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@ratedr7845 Like I said, some things could've been changed easily. Getting green gloves is easy and cheap.

[@MaskedMan66]

Miss Hamilton did wear a green glove after her hand was burned. But it is standard practice in movies and theater that if someone's face is one color, then any bits showing must also be that same color, so make-up is most often used to achieve that. As for the rest, what would have been your suggestion to George Lucas as far as putting Anthony Daniels out in the desert in an all-enclosing fiberglass costume?

[@deletesomething5564]

I didn't think it would be dark..and I was swiftly disproven at the fate of the second actor.

[@wander1139]

yeah honestly if you like old Hollywood don't look anything up you will be traumatized bye it 90 percent of the kids where owned by the studios and were regularly molested if they spoke out they were forced to site on a ice block for hours it was fucked up

[@aleisinwndrlen7113]

@@wander1139 Well Hollywood has always been messed up ever since the day it was founded. But within a century of its existence things haven't got any better either.

[@wander1139]

@@aleisinwndrlen7113 I think it at the very least marginally better with people the actors can go to the kids back then had no choice they were literally sold to the studio with no option to talk to any one safety standards has risen and with birth of social media its much harder to get away with the blatant sexual harassments that they had been involved with for years

[@adamofblastworks1517]

@@wander1139 *Please* use punctuation, I beg of you.

[@aleisinwndrlen7113]

@@wander1139 My point was that Hollywood is, was, and will always be shady. Even if people are taking child abuse etc more seriously, they always have got something under their sleeves.

[@ajfreeney]

They should make a movie about the making of this movie

[@J_U_L_E_S]

Documentary

[@MaskedMan66]

Only if they had Loprna Luft and John Fricke as consultants. They'd keep any and all of the lies out of the script.

[@WooHooLadttv]

There's a dark side? Thought it was all dark.

[@seamusmckeon9109]

Not over the rainbow

[@KevintheRhea]

It can be Any Colour You Like, actually

[@fffrrraannkk]

@@KevintheRhea yes, but so long as it's black

[@FourthDerivative]

@@KevintheRhea Just pray all that copper paint doesn't give you Brain Damage.

[@theraymunator]

If In Praise of Shadows' video on Return to Oz is anything to go by, the original Oz books were indeed more dark and somewhat creepy. Not actually horror, just a bit unnerving at times.

[@shwibbleglibble7197]

Real fans remember when the video was called "The Wizard of Oz an the Dark Side of Hollywood"

[@PinguNSE]

yes

[@masicbemester]

yes

[@gryena]

it's still showing up to me like that

[@benjaminmajeski140]

So right now

[@canthandlethislol]

🙋! Imagine if it didnt change though

[@MaxwellCartoons]

Dear Lord, it's gonna be so hard to rewatch this movie knowing the torture and turmoil of the actors had to go through

[@Alienrun]

Ironically for me I had no intention of doing that up until this point, whereas now I might have more of a reason to (if your going to tell me I should have had the intention due to whatever mytholgical ideas it has, there's like A TON of that out there so...yeah lol, I'm not discounting the movie itself I acknoledge its good!). Its kinda sickening in a way how people tend to be drawn to negative experiences, but I suppose that's what happens when people lose sight of what really matters in life. (In my case its religion, but yeah, I get not every believes in that...still, I think its important in general to aim as high as you can in all scenarios!)

[@GeraltofRizziaa]

Let me make it even worse for you. As well as being fed a steady diet of drugs, Judy Garland was also bullied on set by all of her co stars and physically abused by the director. Her only friend was, ironically, Margaret Hamilton. The Wicked Witch of the West.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Strange shrours

[@melissacooper4282]

I now watch The Wizard of Oz and appreciate the actors because of all the brutal hell they went through.

[@MaskedMan66]

It wasn't hard for the cast to watch it; they loved it. There was no turmoil to speak of, but as far as torture, everyone on the sound stages had to deal with the blazing hot lights that were necessary for Technicolor. But that was par for the course, and the cast and crew dealt with it.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Strange how I'm watching a KZbin video about how the makers of a movie I've always hated seemed to have also hated their very own actors. So the actors went through all that excruciating pain AND THEN managed to think back on the experience with humor? We just don't make people like we used to. Ok, I got to Garland's part. I'm legit crying. That poor woman.

[@tgr3423]

Child actors suffering identity crises' makes total sense when you think about something incredibly simple: they are constantly pretending to be something they're not while their minds are still developing a sense of self. Of COURSE they'll struggle figuring out who they are. They've spent their entire lives wearing one mask to the next. They never had time to build their own character, only the characters that were demanded of them.

[@A.S._Trunks]

How much free time do child stars nowadays have?

[@ginogatash4030]

I mean, it wouldn't be such a problem if the crew was, you know? Nice to them? But alas that is too much.

[@franklinbrooksstoppedcomme3267]

Huh. Reminds me of my sister with manic depression.

[@MrPF]

Children naturally fantasize and play roles while building their identities The problem is that child actors were forced to play such specific roles for such long hours while being treated like shit that completely ruins someone's mind, add that to the drug use and sexual abuse you have the perfect case of fucked up childhood

[@MaskedMan66]

@@ginogatash4030 If you're referring to Judy, the cast and crew of _Wizard_ got along fine with her, and she with them.

[@Furufoo]

Oh man my jaw always flies open whenever I see a documentary about something in the 20th century and the word "asbestos" is said. I know then and there I'm about to hear some absolutely horrifying shit, and the line "it was also used in the snow in the poppy field scene" locked my face into complete horror

[@MaskedMan66]

The snow was crushed gypsum, not asbestos.

[@Furufoo]

@@MaskedMan66 And what goes into the gypsum?

[@no-facejames7360]

@@MaskedMan66 The main chemical components of gypsum are calcium, sulfur, oxygen, and water. The chemical formula is CaSO 4·2H2O, these components also make up the base ingredients for plaster, drywall, and blackboard & sidewalk chalk. Regardless if the snow was actually made of asbestos or not, that is not a substance any sane person would want to be breathing in.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@no-facejames7360 Which is why, I'm sure, nobody made a deliberate effort to breathe it in. I mean, would you?

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Furufoo Nothing that's going to kill you unless you're stupid enough to eat it in vast quantities.

[@KermisVoyager1997]

It's amazing how most these actors lived long lives with Margaret Hamilton and Ray Bolger living until the 1980s.

[@MaskedMan66]

How so "amazing?"

[@b1nary_f1nary]

@@MaskedMan66 If you just watch the video you wont keep disagreeing with everyone

[@MaskedMan66]

@@b1nary_f1nary For the third time, agreement and disagreement don't enter into the equation. Truth is truth, and misinformation is misinformation.

[@knightwing5169]

Buddy Ebsen, the actor who had the bad reaction to the aluminum paint, died in 2003 at the age of 95.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@knightwing5169 His reaction was to the aluminum powder dusted over his greasepaint; it was Jack Haley who wore the reformulated aluminum paste. But otherwise you're correct. :-) Fun Fact: Several years after the movie, Ebsen appeared in a stage version of "The Wizard of Oz"-- as the Scarecrow!

[@superbowsermatt4432]

Hollywood can be a messed up place sometimes, actors are the forgotten more than the characters they played, and that’s a hard pill to swallow, please support the people starring in movies, they have done some great stuff.

[@MaskedMan66]

Lotta B.S. in this video.

[@juicebox9465]

Reminds me of this saying "Every regulation is written in blood."

[@EmperorLemon]

Special thanks to Keeps for sponsoring this video. It's probably better for you than copper, asbestos and lion hyde. keeps.com/emplemon

[@Palmy0724]

Ha

[@blockofcheese8015]

hilo edit: i really just typed in hi and hello as one word

[@nixiety]

an

[@shimon4531]

Hello there.

[@TheColonelEchidna]

Typo

[@Antasma1]

In class, we were discussing how The Truman show predicted the future of actors, but after seeing something like this, it was always the case.

[@spencerfrankclayton4348]

5:19 "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy/Fairies" from Tchaikovsky's *The Nutcracker* ballet. 7:15 "Habanera" from Georges Bizet's *Carmen.* 9:55 *Danse Macabre* by Camille Saint-Saens.

[@DMTInfinity]

Whether you like this movie or not, you HAVE to have mad respect for those actors who were forced to work on this film under the conditions they were forced to undergo. And the fact they were able to put on such stellar performances despite what was going on behind the scenes is absolutely astonishing. Truly masters of their craft.

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

still so,whoa okay with it

[@MaskedMan66]

They weren't "forced" to do anything; that is, nobody put guns to their heads and said, "Do this or die!" It wasn't the first time people had to deal with discomfort for acting roles, and it certainly wasn't the last. Anthony Daniels comes to mind.

[@DMTInfinity]

@@MaskedMan66 I dunno man. Risking your career, repetition, financial security, and future opportunities as a famous actor at the hands of extremely powerful and influential people sounds like a forced situation to me. Then again, with the way you're talking, I can tell you obviously don't know anything about these subjects, so arguing any further with someone like you would be a waist of time due to your ignorance of the scene, ya know? It's like trying to explain to someone who's never been to the Amazon basin what connectivity with such a community and the essence of nature and Mother Ayahuasca is like. You either know from personal experience, or you're ignorant to the scene. And that's okay. But you do need to learn when you don't know what you're talking about. It's better to be a silent fool and learn, rather than a make a fool of yourself by spewing nonsense, ignorance, and stupidity.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@DMTInfinity Who exactly was risking their "career, repetition (sic), financial security, and future opportunities" more with "Wizard" than with any other project they ever did? Most of the cast were well embarked on their careers, including Bert Lahr and Frank Morgan, whose careers began before Judy Garland was born and showed no signs of stopping. As if this whole issue is about me, which you seem to want to make it (and which could be seen as evasiveness on your part, not actually wanting to address the film's production), then it may interest you to know that I've researched this movie for about four decades, that research being largely informed by the even more in-depth investigations of Aljean Harmetz, who wrote "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977)-- for which she interviewed 48 people who worked on the film-- John Fricke, who wrote "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989), and Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, who worked with Fricke on the latter book, as well as writing "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019). You would do well to read those books. Then not only I, but you will know what I'm talking about.

[@Michael_Andrew_C]

They absolutely would have been blacklisted. The whole old studio system in Hollywood was like this. You violate your contract you lose your career.

[@beadyb.1781]

“Why should their pain produce such marvelous beauty?" he wonders. "Or is all beauty created through pain? Is that the secret of great art, both human and Melnibonen?” ― Elric of Melniboné

[@kennandunn7533]

also: --- Marquis de Sade, (probably)

[@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274]

Telling the truths

[@trosinesss]

*Starting the video* “Hahaha funny ad, this is gonna be hilarious” *Finishing the video* “Oh god”

[@LegendYT931]

I love these videos man, you’re definitely my new favorite KZbinr. You’re like a better chiller vsauce, Interesting and informing

[@elijahjarman2837]

I know this can be said for all the actors who never deserved such torture just for a film, but Margaret Hamilton was a pure soul who became metaphorically and physically scarred by her role, and its depressing

[@MaskedMan66]

She never dwelt on her scars and would tell you to relax and enjoy that movie which she loved with all her heart.

[@acacia8261]

makes you wonder if actors like robin williams goes through the same thing

[@emmahollow8898]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😏

[@MaskedMan66]

@@acacia8261 Well, he doesn't because he's dead.

[@acacia8261]

Sad what hollywood did to actors like robin williams and margaret hamilton

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

It feels like suffering and art are always together

[@joegerkrep7727]

yep. the price of art has decreased

[@nyctenthusiast3507]

"Squidward, i think im suffering from my art now"

[@jorgerosado2087]

I gotta admit, this video's thumbnail REALLY helps sell the story. I'm very glad that someone tackled the topic. Early Hollywood was hell for those who worked within it. Also makes me wonder what would happen if you did a video on the impact of Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. That would be amazing.

[@LukiO4500]

Actually yeah. A video on Bugs Bunny and the development of Loony Tunes and Merrie Melodies would be intriguing.

[@honeysunday]

To think that judy is buried in the “Hollywood forever” cemetery is just.. unsettling. Resting in the place that killed her

[@sigstackfault]

_There's no time for us_ _There's no place for us_ _What is this thing that builds our dreams, yet slips away from us?_ *_Who wants to live forever?_*

[@someguy4405]

The only reason you could want to live forever is to help other people.

[@TheAzureNightmare]

There's no chance, for us... It's aaaall decided for us...! This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us!

[@JS-xh4yf]

_When dreams may die._

[@nobodyinparticular9640]

...me? I don't mind dying, but the thought of growing old terrifies me. Will never forget how my grandma looked during her last days... I'd rather die young.

[@LedosKell]

So this comment got me thinking about Judy Garland becoming the Highlander after overdosing. And I need this in my life.

[@muskie2543]

I thought this was gonna be a regular 'look at this bad stuff that happened' video, but damn, what you said in the last 5 minutes is a colossal buffet of food for thought. I rarely comment on videos but this was a good one

[@katbird2699]

Ironically, I hate the Wizard of Oz because I was in a traumatic production of it when I was younger. I guess it's just cursed. I mean, even Diary of a Wimpy kid says so.

[@MaskedMan66]

Judy Garland would tell you to enjoy it; she loved it, as did her co-stars.

[@cheekloins4126]

@@MaskedMan66 I see you in many comments adamantly defending these producers and the experience as a whole. Gotta ask, what has given you this knowledge that seemingly nobody else agrees with or recognizes? Doing even the faintest iota of research into the topic explains the opposite of what you claim. This video had to of triggered you.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@cheekloins4126 What "producers?" There was only one producer on "Wizard," his name was Mervyn LeRoy, and he was a fan of Judy Garland's and had campaigned against all odds to star her in the movie. He would not have brooked any maltreatment of her. "The faintest iota of research" yields only the faintest iota of information. Conversely, decades of research tend to turn up much more thorough results, and that's what you find in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. Mrs. Harmetz's mother worked in the Wardrobe department at MGM and was attached to "Wizard" as one of the costume people. In researching her book, Mrs. Harmetz interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, including Ray Bolger, Margaret Hamilton, Buddy Ebsen, Jack Haley, Mervyn LeRoy, and Betty Danko. Her book alone, therefore, is to be trusted because it has firsthand accounts of what went on-- and no, nothing is sugarcoated or glossed over.

[@obidasauceman6140]

Dairy of the wimpy kid? Huh

[@cheekloins4126]

@@MaskedMan66 I was going to attempt to retort you, but it’s no surprise you only believe what you consider worth believing. I hope that kind of attitude only exists in your media consumption, and hasn’t leaked into more important aspects of your life.

[@f5tornado831]

I still think whoever came up with that tornado effect is a genius.