Employers Deserve No Loyalty

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[@lowercherty]

Amen. The days when someone could work 30 years and retire with a nice pension are gone.

[@AmitPatel_.]

don't forget the gold watch such a loyal worker got, lol.

[@lowercherty]

@@SKBottom Ask the people at Bethlehem Steel or Pan Am about that. You are making a smart move assuming your pension won't be there. If it is you could have a very comfortable retirement.

[@verkinkcard4142]

How about you be responsible and start your own fund and set aside money each week no one's stopping you and there are nice tax advantages

[@tubalcain6874]

You’re a wise and prudent man, sir. Oh the sins of my youth. I’m 64, and I’ll be working into my 70s because of an anemic retirement fund. Younger men, self-fund your own retirement and never rely on an employer for anything.

[@foyjamez]

Those are pretty much a transitory. Stemming from military secrets in the cold war. It was a very small window of opportunity and in today's global market pretty much unheard of

[@thebeesknees745]

Things I've learned in 20 years of being in the work force: Never give a 2 week notice, your employer won't give notice of termination. Fair is fair. Lie on your resume. Resumes get you into the interview. Change a few dates, add a place or two. Nobody checks your references. Never go above and beyond. You aren't compensated, and it won't help you in the next round of layoffs. Never ask for a raise. Your company has millions in new hire budgets and only thousands in retention. Job jumping gets you raises. Staying in one spot for 10 years will cost you money. Never feel bad about being jobless. You can get one tomorrow at the temp agency. Donate plasma or whatever to get you by if need be.

[@debblouin]

The vast majority of employers have fewer than 50 employees and DO NOT HAVE MILLIONS FOR ANYTHING. Use a different word than loyalty. Don’t be obsequious, don’t be stupid, don’t be selfish, don’t be silly, don’t be unreliable.

[@boristhemouse5507]

Every time I get a new job I ask for a higher wage than I was makingat the last place.

[@lonewolftech]

@@debblouinwe found the hr Karen 😂😂😂😂

[@anon556]

​@@debblouinyou must be a small company owner 😂😂 your business will fail brutally sweetheart.

[@jayo3074]

​@@debblouin everyone please ignore this ridiculous comment

[@KeeseGaming]

I find it hilarious that employers want 2 weeks notice before leaving, but when have you heard of an employee being given 2 weeks to find employment when being fired

[@rubberduckie5518]

Never. If they want you gone immediately, you will be fired within the hour if absolutely necessary.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

If an employer is willing to fire you for a random, silly social media post, then there's no reason to be loyal to that snotty organization. Take the money and run!

[@Ezberron]

@Remix God Because social media is so petty and toxic that they will try to smear the company for what you do online. "john smith said something online that hurt Susy Snowflakes feelings! John smith works at XYZ corp!" "Hey XYZ corp, how can you hire people like John smith! he hates women. and puppies! #CANCELXYZCORP" and suddenly there's a bullshit twitter scandal because some white knight or Karen decides to cancel you by "shaming where you work" for what you do as a person. all companies are cowards so they'll throw you under the bus to make it go away. That's why.

[@gerkrulz8273]

One of the worst mistakes I ever made in my life was staying in a dead end job for 10 years. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER settle.

[@GraveRave]

What was the job if you don't mind me asking?

[@Ezberron]

Same. I was *just* comfortable enough not to want to look for work. then the last few years ended up in a "we're going to be ending the contract in 2 months" holding pattern and there was a severance package on the line so...

[@girthquake2390]

Damn straight man, I worked in retail for 8 and half years. I was THIS close to kicking the chair away.

[@erl7466]

WRONG!!! you do what you must, ALWAYS!! i agree not to settle if you have the option, but if you’ve got two kids with twins on the way, you take the most stable job you can, even if it’s less money. be smart, not clever, people.

[@debblouin]

What is your value as an employee? Skills? Integrity? Work ethic? Good communicator?

[@zippy_uk1046]

I have been disloyal to all my employers all my life. Its served me very well...

[@ryanhumor]

Scripture

[@thebeesknees745]

Wise words.

[@frankjohnson8098]

I wish I had your knowledge when I was young. I put 14 years in at Shell, then got laid off. I should have left when offered more by other companies, but I had the golden handcufs and pension, so i stayed. What a fool i was to think keeping my nose cleans, doing a good job, never getting into trouble, no drug issues, no discipline issues no excess sick days would show i cared about my job. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO They tossed me away with 14 years, and kept others. Why? I was building up my pension and vacation days. Better to cut me, then when things turned around, hire someone new.

[@user-ut7hh3zb2f]

"Whatever the market will bear" works both ways. Money talks, bullshit walks. Being loyal to a company is a suckers bet. I am a Boomer telling you this. Get your experience, make contacts. Keep the resume up to date. Every time you get a better offer, TAKE IT. Again, loyalty is for suckers and there are no friends when money is involved. They'll fire or lay you off in a second. I say this, as one of those "evil smelly lying" boomers. Believe it.

[@richierawls8661]

16 years got terminated for hurting someone's feeling.

[@trilight3597]

Ain't that some bs

[@corywarren1194]

Fuck that. I'd be super fucking mad. I get bored after 2 years and move on, typically other jobs pay more by then as well. Millennial here but am accustomed to 104 hours a week. My peers don't know the pain, but they also don't know the money:). Hope you find something great pal, you deserve it after that kinda sacrifice

[@jeremiahthomas1385]

Sounds about right

[@engineered-mind]

Narcissistic bosses

[@hamilcarbarca8659]

Me too! Fuck their feelings. They kept a single mother with shitty attendance and an autistic O.C.D. nut job. I showed up , did a great job and did'nt whine. I called some guy a kweer. Out I went.

[@tubalcain6874]

When I was a younger man of 28 (now 64) I quit a toxic job in manufacturing by giving a customary 2 week notice. I had some false angst and guilt over it at the time. Today, I’d give them no notice. I’ll never forget what a wise old millwright, and WWII combat veteran, told me (those guys were still around back in the day). He said “stick your fist in a bucket of water and then pull it out. Does it leave an indentation”? “No” was my reply. “That’s how much you matter to this company” was his response.

[@timbailey20]

Facts

[@peterreid9769]

Loyal employees get treated like sh1t.

[@anon556]

Loyal = no options in employment language

[@rubberduckie5518]

OP speaking from experience or just what you’ve observed?

[@adamd9166]

Your employer won't care until you're ready to leave. Then suddenly they are ready to make changes to keep you. Fuck em

[@jlogan2228]

One thing ive learned this year is do your job well, but dont be a hero. Collect your pay, take your pto time, take days off, and dont feel guilty. If you are doing your job well, then you are giving them what they paid for and until they decide they are willing to pay more, dont give them more. Give more to the company that is offering more.

[@davids_d3246]

Amen

[@kiarizz4631]

BLESS this person

[@debblouin]

DO YOUR JOB WELL. That said, your employer gets to set the terms of what “well” is. If you agree to those terms, you can’t complain if you fail to meet those terms and don’t get raises or promotions. Also, if you want to get paid more you have to show your intention by increasing your value to the company so you can bring the receipts.

[@Scriptorsilentum]

there's a one-syllable word in english that begins with the letter F that i can respect: FAIR. your thoughts on work are just that, fair. thanks for the advice!

[@westernsellers9148]

​@@debblouinsmelly butt

[@bones549]

I've been with my company 25 years. I've mentored many. I've told them all, you owe your company total loyalty two weeks at a time.

[@4dscdriver]

The way I see it, if I work for you(employer), I'm really just working for me. I see it as a mutually beneficial relationship, so if at any time I don't get a benefit from it, I reserve the right to terminate that relationship with little to no notice, because I know you would do the same to me.

[@nickvoncloft4566]

I really needed to hear this....I felt guilty even considering leaving my current job of 9 years I like the people, I like the job....to an extent (I deal with a lot of ID10T errors), but the money is almost nothing, Paycheck to paycheck of 35K a year is barely paying the bills..... but after hearing Cappy's view I am ready to move on to another job. I hopefully will receive an interview this Friday for a 15K increase in pay. I know 50K is nowhere near a luscious lifestyle but is definately better than 35K...... Wish me luck

[@joselineyou]

Good luck

[@victoriakleber1397]

Percentage wise that’s a terrific increase. Then you move to the next highest. Good luck.

[@foyjamez]

Good luck 🤞

[@electric_sand]

Good luck

[@chaiherobay9932]

In a somewhat similar situation, haven't taken action yet on it though. I make 38kish a year and as a single guy I feel like I'm treading water. The place I'm living at is technically low income housing and yet they still had the gall to raise my rent to a tad shy of $1200 a month despite living right next to a loud a#$ military base, motorcycles, and feeling like its in the middle of the ghetto. Yet whenever I see the director of my building at work he's always driving around in a Maserati or some s$%^. Makes it hard to be nice to the dude since to be honest I kind of despise him for not paying the workers below him a bit more. With the direction things are going I'm starting to think that 50k should be bare minimum for everyone that is willing to work hard and work honestly. Probably not gonna happen though so just try your best to not feel guilty about moving on since I'm sure upper management would try to pull that on you. Starting to think I'm too nice and I misplace my loyalty. Gonna have to work on this.

[@totalrobot]

Every company I've ever worked for has DECLINED after my leaving. It is BORNE INTO BUSINESS OWNERS DNA to UNDERAPPRECIATE THE EXCELLENT employees.

[@victoriakleber1397]

I worked for a company for 13 years that was shutting down. So we were all out looking for jobs. I made it to onboarding for a company closer to home when I got a call out of nowhere for a job paying 40% more. The hr person for company a was away on vacation (it was July). Had to deal with their backup. Luckily she was blunt. She came right out “what did they offer you?” I told her and also said they had allowed me to delay start to get severance from current job. She said” take it”. Most decent hr person I will likely ever meet.

[@westernsellers9148]

Kitty lickers😂😂😂

[@lugerstonecock]

I was in a very niche mechanical field. I was trained in a group of 25 to the tune of 10 million over three years. They wouldn't even pony of the equivilent to 5 bucks an hour to keep me. My position is still empty a year later and they contacted me to see if I would come back offering me the same wage. These employers are delusional.

[@07wrxtr1]

"We have a duty to our shareholders"

[@impudentdomain]

they are not doing their duty very well if they run a system with high turn over and never can keep a good employee.

[@Ezberron]

"So you're a sellout then. putting someone else's success and wealth above your own. and why should I work for you? you'll sell me out too..."

[@beneficent2557]

My "Supervisor" Lied to my Face, and she acted genuinely surprised when I left. What a fucking farce.

[@Rocket9944]

I just left the job a couple weeks ago for a big raise, I gave my notice the owner says well how long you giving me a month, I said no, I'm giving you 60 seconds I'm finished now, I told him like you would give me any notice if you were to fire me. All they had to do is give me a raise comparable to the other companies, now they already started calling me and making me offers to come back.

[@chop2093]

Never accept a counter offer. Cut your ties and move on.

[@roodyg5352]

Only be loyal to yourself!

[@JIMBO8472]

They dont care about you, dont fool yourself.

[@rubberduckie5518]

Companies are like narcissists…they like, lovebomb and respect the new worker, but will brutally devalue and discard the long term worker.

[@Bruce_Fernandes]

They demand something that they cannot give. Loyalty is like respect, it MUST WORK BOTH WAYS or it doesn't work at all. If they will never be loyal to anything besides the profit money filling their greedy hands at the expense of other people's integrity then they have no right to demand loyalty from anybody.

[@brpadington]

Companies stopped being loyal to the employees a generation ago and now they are mad that the rubes figured out their game.

[@Dzanarika1]

Exactly!

[@onur_akg]

I only reciprocate the loyalty I receive.

[@eduffy4937]

If you died today, your employer will place a help wanted post before your obituary can hit print. Dont think youre important. Get paid for what youve worked for, realize its their business, not yours, and no matter what youre never owed more than what hours youve worked for. And NEVER work for a bokmer. EVER.

[@MA-wq2ih]

I actually saw that happen. Former coworker died on a Monday and his job was posted on Thursday.

[@eduffy4937]

@@MA-wq2ih yep. I see it all the time

[@lonewolftech]

I’ve seen this happen also… a girl got killed in a car wreck coming to work and they had her job posted that afternoon…. It’s fucking sick!

[@Laudanum-gq3bl]

In 30 years of white-collar employment, I had exactly one manager who actively worked with me to get me a promotion. I’ve had several who actively worked against me for non-work, non-skills-related “reasons”. No loyalty ever.

[@retarteddwarf2182]

Modern employment is like modern marriage. One party (man/employee) is expected to be traditional (loayl, honest etc...) while the other party (women/employer) plays by whatever rules suit them in the moment. Can you say one sided-bullshite? Know: It's just at-will employment.

[@chrisonydotcom2317]

Amen

[@JD-ny9qj]

Funny I see Modern marriage reversed, the man is expected to do what he always has done (work) (traditional) while the woman has to do everything she always has done (child rearing cooking cleaning etc) AND work, because there aren’t many men who can afford to raise a family of their salary alone. So yeah, you’re right in a round about way.

[@westernsellers9148]

​@@JD-ny9qjyou sound sore😂

[@rubberduckie5518]

Always be prepared to lose your job at a moments notice. It will be less painful when it comes out of nowhere. Expect companies to turn any second.

[@silverhammer7779]

Cappy: loyalty is a two-way street and, when you finally see that all the traffic is only on your side of the road, take the next exit.

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

Been with the same union trucking company for 18 years. Started at 23 and now 41. It's such a cake walk. With all the seniority I've accrued I get all the easy day time runs and sleep in a bed every night(hotel or my house). Make either just below or just above 100k every year. Giving the middle finger to the company and displaying a disgruntled attitude does sound cool and is often warrented but the guy off to the side who just keeps quiet and goes about his business often does very well.

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

@@feralkid9315 And those union jobs are still readily available right now. You don't HAVE to choose them if they are not what you want for your life but for others it could be an option.

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

@@feralkid9315 Brother, I've seen guys like you who nit pick and question everything come and go. The jobs are out there and if you are willing to stick it out and live through some lean times at times then you will likely do well. If not, you will be just another keyboard critic waiting for this kick ass ultimate badass job that simply doesn't exist.

[@IaintTheHerb]

At that pay rate you must be hazmat certified. Most drivers earn squat, I've heard. One of many reasons they can't find guys to do it.

[@williamgomez5876]

Union jobs are good for old farts like you who milk the system and make young men work twice as hard to make up for your lack of work. Happens in Ups as well old farts do the easiest routes with around 110 stops or less while the young guys do over 210 stops work nonstop for the same and usually less money. Screw that I rather ldo contract labor where young hard working and with few years of experience pays top dollar and is in demand.

[@tracyseymour6059]

Yes, you're in a union. Most non union jobs fire people at the drop of a hat. That being said, sometimes just keeping a low profile on the job makes sense

[@Steve-tn5ru]

Usually a company will only pay you enough to not starve but never enough to get ahead.

[@treasurethetime2463]

Cappy actually went easy on the employers here. If you calculate how much wealth you are potentially losing over your working career, you would discover that "only 30k" difference amounts to MILLIONS of dollars if invested. Now ask yourself if you would give up MILLIONS of dollars to remain "loyal" to a company you haven't even worked 5 minutes for yet. That reframing should make the decision very easy.

[@notsure1350]

Company loyalty ONLY works in a 100% employee owned company with an ESOP. The employee has to have skin in the game, and the employer needs to have a motivation to make sure their people are happy.

[@empiricalsmut9419]

Reading "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell was frustrating for me, because whenever he would bring up the idea of "if you want to keep your employees, and avoid turnover, then pay more", the apparent "retort" by Sowell was essentially "well if the corp needs to pay more for each employee, then they can only afford fewer employees, and then unemployment goes up." It's like, uh, who do you think sets their allocated budget for employee salaries? The company! And for these big corporations, it's not like they're scraping by, counting pennies like "aww shucks, we might no have enough to pay the employees this week". How about these big corps start trimming a bit of fat off the bloated executive salaries and bonuses, and take a closer look at frivolous spending? How many jets does the CEO need? How about the yacht? Do they really need expensive dinners for "clients"? Anyone with any sense could likely go over the company "expenses", and pull spare funds out of any number of frivolous budgets, and allocate it to employee retention.

[@crobinsfly9979]

The current obsession with "quiet quitting" is actually pretty hilarious. As a millennial, ever since I spent a year working excessive OT early on in my career and never got so much as a pat on the back (they didnt even pay OT!) I have resolved to do the exact opposite: the bare minimum to make myself seem productive/engaged. Fast forward to today, I'm still in the same field as I was 15 years ago, but now make 4x as much as I did back then, >200k... and I quiet quit long ago.

[@rika6767]

Love this post.

[@mysticizzm]

Literally got fired from a job I worked at for 5 years because I teased a coworker (whom was a good friend at the time percieveably) by tossing a cliff bar in the air. It got turned into a harassment claim. Apparently she did the same thing to another male co worker later on; after she'd gone out to a bar with him.

[@zippy_uk1046]

Companies used to give good pensions, but they used it force loyalty by denying or docking pension entitlements if you left or under performed. Thats all gone now and people save with private pensions. Companies did not want to pay good pensions or salaries and could no longer enforce sanctions. Now they are screwed so don't be symparlthetic.

[@RogerWareInc]

Spot on! My job isn't too specialized ( pest control) . But it does involve having a bit of entemology knowledge as well as basic problem solving skills. I have experience in almost everything pest control. My former employer failed to give me a route despite all the effort I put in. They hired two new guys and they instantly got routes. I was kept as a floater. Nope. I applied elsewhere. Out of 5 companies I applied to, 5 responded. My skills are in demand and I'll never be out of a job. I might even start up my own company one day. Just not here in Commiefornia.

[@tubalcain6874]

A testimony to “skills sell, and can be carried from job to job, and are your bargaining chip”. Worthless toilet paper degrees don’t do any of this.

[@ThomasSDavis-mc9of]

Never apologize for pursuing better opportunities. Your employer will can you in a second for even the most minor perceived mistake, if there is any mistake at all.

[@Ezberron]

@@ThomasSDavis-mc9of the only people who complain about loyalty are the owners who give 110%. Why do they do that? because THEY OWN THE COMPANY. How about you give me some stock options or a bigger piece of the pie and we'll talk about "giving 110% to someone else's cash cow"

[@chrisandsneaky2453]

But isn't Commiefornia where all the pests are?

[@LaneTheBrane]

Loyalty is an illusion

[@Dzanarika1]

This whole life is an illusion 😊

[@LaneTheBrane]

@@Dzanarika1 touche

[@treasurethetime2463]

Co-sign. Amen. Employers are not "family", "loyal" or even "concerned" about you. They would fire you in a new York second if it served them. As Sony said, "nobody cares, kid". Take the money.

[@Barada73]

At my current job, I was only getting 25 hours a week, at most, so I went and applied somewhere else and got hired there for a full time position. When I went to put in my two weeks notice, my store manager offered to move me up to full time just to not quit. What I didn’t know at the time was that the manager in charge of my department was getting ready to retire and they were planning to offer me his position. They just weren’t going to tell me until the management position was actually open. It was almost $5 more per hour than the job I had applied to and $7.50 more per hour than what I was currently making. So I decided to stay.

[@impudentdomain]

but they almost lost you because they were being too clever A-holes. So I would still keep my resume' up to date and still be looking if I were you.

[@Barada73]

@@impudentdomain yeah, and if I hadn’t forced their hand, they would have happily strung me along on poverty wages for a few more months. I am definitely keeping my options open and if I can find a higher paying job or finish paying off all my debts (whichever some first), I’m not sticking around.

[@fruityboy6885]

@@Barada73 He who cares the least wins! Good job Sir.

[@toddjohnson271]

Yes...but also, at my place no one is fired for anything outside of very bad offenses. Performance is not a reason for termination. That has to change. Booting dead weight is essential for balance.

[@AC-kk3vo]

Don't worry about what the man beside you is doing or making, do your job , do it right, and if you're not satisfied find another job,

[@bryanmiller8604]

“Just work harder, & you’ll be rewarded for your effort, & sacrifice.” Translation: Just work harder, & you’ll be rewarded with an early grave, & still die in debt.

[@rubberduckie5518]

So true. Premature aging and baldness, ED, diabetes, cancer, etc. the list of health problems is endless with stressful jobs. The goal of every worker should be to accumulate $1million to live off the interest and work part-time at most. Careers will not bring anyone happiness or satisfaction. They are illusions.

[@drewyoung2102]

I got invited to senior BU managers retirement party. It really was a wakeup call to not accept endless stress from someone treated and respected way more that had a pension and retirement benefits. Instead, I left on short notice after 17 years and got same pay and half the work and changed phone number.

[@mizukagematt1186]

When they can fire you over the littlest things nowadays ofc they deserve no loyalty

[@Rage-_-Quit]

That's why you specialize in things they depend on and that not every rando can do. Them needing you more than you needing them is the negotiation position you want to be in.

[@mizukagematt1186]

@@Rage-_-Quit facts

[@danfraser1891]

"Go on, take the money 💰 and 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♀️ a whooooo woww...." - Steve Miller

[@timbomb374]

Loyalty is so rarley rewarded in any situation, honestly. It's not something you should give away easily.

[@coffee_chi_and_me]

If the two job offers are in different locations, make sure you take into consideration differences in cost of living and quality of life. Twice as much income won't mean that much if the job is in an area with double the cost of living and/or people pooping in the streets.

[@impudentdomain]

correct ! and also things like your commute time is important, if you have to add an extra two hours of travel to your life everyday then that reduces your effective hourly pay by 10 hour a week.

[@dirtydan1861]

Yes to all of this. I did the inverse of this: start working in a major city with a high cost of living, then moved to a rural area while maintaining my city wage. 20% raise almost by default due to a lower cost of living (and higher quality of life for me). Life is good.

[@erichjung4192]

I'm unemployable . I'm self employed, earn over 150k year and come and go as I please . I was a union employee, top scale meat cutters union and that's where I discovered I'm unemployable . To those that can tow the line to the finish line my hats off to you congrats .

[@morphius747]

what do you do? I need options

[@wesbrown738]

Also interested in what you do for a living

[@lifeisabadjoke5750]

He won't say he just wants to stroke his own ego.

[@lesbianmustardbottle957]

@@lifeisabadjoke5750 Exactly. I can't stand that crap.

[@erichjung4192]

@@morphius747 I'm a commercial fisherman . I've been in it a long time and found there's nobody that can take care of me as well as me . Keep in mind if things go bad it's all on me and I've been in that position too .

[@danieldpa8484]

Exactly, no loyalty only the work we agreed upon

[@noahlarson1861]

Employers study demographics and economic pressures before they build stores and branches. They want to know they're going to get a return on their investment... and below a certain level of return, they won't build. In other words, they want to make a much money as possible with the minimal amount of effort/investment....and they want to get mad at you for wanting the exact same thing they want. 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤣

[@cas2985]

Employers underpay talented people and overpay their cronies who are incompetent.

[@Tyler_W]

I worked for a regional grocery chain a few years back. I worked in frozen and was one of the few employees willing to work overtime. Was that more loyalty than I owed them? Probably, but the work wasn't terrible, I enjoyed working in the cold environment in the hot summer, and because I did a good job, they gave me as many extra hours and OT pay that I wanted. I guarantee that I saved that company quite a bit of money simply because I stuck around to finish the job at hand after my coworkers' shifts ended. They would leave the job half finished, so I often stuck around for however long it took to get the job done because I had nothing better to do and enjoyed the extra pay and overtime hours pretty much whenever I wanted. I also took any opportunity to fill in for my coworkers if they couldn't show and if I didn't already have plans, so I developed a pretty good reputation there. Eventually there came a new department manager who arrived when I was away. I was back from my final year at college asking the hiring/scheduling manager I got along with to give me more hours over my month-long break when I realized I wasn't being given anything (college wasn't a complete waste of time, the experience even further red pilled me about the way things work, I learned some decent transferable skills, I gained some valuable life experience, and I got out of there without any loans and debt). I found out that the new department manager was one of those a-holes who demanded absolute loyalty while giving absolutely nothing in return. He wouldn't work with anyone unless they were available at his beck and call 24/7/365 and demanded that seasonal employees not get hours for not being available at all times "because they weren't committed." He then replaced a lot of longtime employees with new hires, gave everyone as few hours as possible between them all, and refused anyone overtime hours and pay so he could justify paying them all as little as possible because he apparently thought it was a good way to save the company money. I'm not saying it makes sense or that it was a smart and pragmatic idea, but that's what he did. Eventually, I asked the scheduling guy if there was anything they had available, and I ended up volunteering for the one job nobody wanted to do, to go outside in the freezing cold for hours on end to handle the carts (and there was probably parking lot garbage cleanup too, but I forget). I took it because it allowed me to get hours than I never would've gotten otherwise, and at least there was the silver lining that people would leave me alone, so I could listen to music and podcasts on the job to occupy my mind while I was out in the cold for hours on end. Because it was so miserably cold with ice and snow outside (single digit weather or close to it, I think) and because I was a good employee who took the hit nobody else wanted, the courtesy managers were cool about it and told me on the side that I could come in for breaks whenever I wanted to avoid freezing and could go back out as soon as I was warm again. They at least were sympathetic about the fact I was a good employee who got a raw deal because ofbthe new guy who didn't care (and I think a lot of the other employees and even some of the other managers didn't like him). After I left for college again, I didn't even tell the store I would no longer work for them. I just never called back in the years since. I bent over backwards for these people for about 3 years. As soon as a dick for a store manager showed up and took things over, all of the time I gave them and the money I saved them was treated like absolutely nothing, and I had to beg to do the jobs nobody wanted to do that I wasn't hired to do in order for them to give me the time of day. I got along with most of my coworkers, so it wasn't all bad, but seriously, screw that company. Loyalty is a two-way street, and anyone who doesn't value your time and efforts doesn't deserve it. I'm all for the idea of loyalty. It's an important virtue, but unreciptocated loyalty is just a good way to get exploited for the profit of others whi don't give a rip about you. Don't do it.

[@greenhorngameplays5743]

Bro, Broo, Brooooooooooooo, this is mother fucking fantastic. And, yeah, I'm a X guy (born 1981) and I totally agree with this video. In my LinkedIn profile, time to time I post something acid that really annoys employers. I even speak a lot about bosses and leaders, people are starting to follow me bit by bit because everyone is sick of this shit already. Congratulations man, wonderful video. Thank you very much for sharing.

[@homersharp7567]

Most employers do research as to the pay range of each position. They know they are under paying. They are just f-ing greedy.

[@rubberduckie5518]

Also, if they are paying market or more, that means they have a higher standard so even the slightest issues could get one canned before probation period ends. Bosses and supervisors could be total jerks too.

[@fastasashark6988]

If people don’t trust Gen X the result with be the most destructive in history.

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

But you cannot trust the baby boomers

[@adamkays7639]

I’m hearing lots of stories of seasoned skilled tradesman getting ready to retire and then employers offer $10/hr raises. Where the F was this money prior??? F y’all.

[@adamd9166]

Exactly, that is an even bigger slap in the face. It means that they could've paid you more a long time ago.

[@rubberduckie5518]

Companies are cheap AF. The only ones who get all the benefits are the select higher ups. Everyone else suffers.

[@chrismoore9997]

Just a couple months ago, I got a $40k pay increase to take a job for another company. Certain fields are in demand right now.

[@SmoltingWassie]

So his initial salary: X + 20k + 30k = doubled salary X = $50k

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

yes, i agree. yesterday a colleague left a mess for another employee because he went...on vacation. "let's clean this up!" he said he couldn't stop me from doing that. So, in 120 degree box, cleaned up the mess, and cleaned the entire place. This "dockmaster" sat in an A/C powered box with a chick and they vaped. The boss was there too. When the other employee complimented the work i did, the boss (my age) metaprhorically grabbed him by the ear and took him outside and chewed his a-- out very hard. "It's not even his job, and he did BETTER than you! Why shouldn't I fire you? You sat there and smoked with the chick who is too young for you, and THIS GUY, twice as old and 5 times as smart, ran rings around you AND did your other job WHILE HE WAS THERE! My "boss" almost sent him home without a day pay. They negotiated, and he could stay BUT he had to work outside, all day, and everyhting needed to be cleaned by 4. Me? I went to go do my REAL job in 30 minutes. "kids today" And do i trust my boss? NO Do I trust my company? NO They are as good as the last paycheck i got. NO PAY? NO WORK!

[@Scriptorsilentum]

have you noticed the OT corps want you to do but also refuse to pay you for doing? more and more state labor depts are seeing wage theft claims. Phukking nerve of what should fairly be called parasites. not content with "tax breaks" paid by the peons for them they also want free work. time to sit back and sip on a coupla well-stirred molotv cocktails.

[@sharkparty1027]

I am unfortunately a pharmacist, lied to by the schools for my tuition money and now I am indebt. Please don't put all the blame on me. I am a refugee (being from MN, you likely know some Hmong people) who was raised in the ghetto and I am a first gen college graduate chasing the American dream to better my parent's life, only to become a slave to big pharm and the CVS and Walgreens store who treat pharmacists like trash. Aaron, you should talk about this lie that is sold to us hard working refugees just chasing the American dream, but lied to by the greedy corporations and the schools who are also businesses.

[@JeffCaplan313]

America is a charnal ground for immigrant families. Because we run a death cult, the bodies have to come from somewhere and since the robots aren't ready, our culture requires us to import immigrants by the millions to perform labor. It's a good thing the U.S. is so great at waging war around the globe, otherwise we might run out of immigrants someday...

[@city_of_coompton6832]

Hmong got left out to dry by the US government after the Vietnam war. And the US government just did it again with their so called "allies" in Afghanistan. Lesson - don't trust the US government

[@theboyisnotright6312]

All businesses lie. They charge more and provide less as a matter of doing business. Then when you try to complain or get something set right, you can never talk to anyone who is able and or willing to fix it. Doesn't matter if it's Chevrolet or your local cable company. A contract is a way to screw the customer and employees. Playboy did a series of articles 20 yrs ago about workplace shootings and concluded that there probably should be more shootings considering how lousy everyone is being treated. Personally I agree

[@Dzanarika1]

They are protecting each other, all corporations and institutions are made to protect each other so that we, humans become their slaves in the future.

[@walterlancaster5867]

I agree with the creator. TAKE THE MONEY! He’s definitely correct. Also, never forget: No matter how hard you work, how efficient you are, how loyal you are, how many hours you put in, THERE IS NO LOYALTY FROM EMPLOYERS. That said, I think the creator is a douche.

[@Scriptorsilentum]

oh yeah he's a foist-class certified douche all the way but even the douche comes up with absolutely clear-headed thinking in his videos. he's right: TAKE THE MONEY. as for loyalty, in the 80s i remember hearing the debate in college about employee loyalty. eventually it was tacitly admitted we should be loyal to our companies - so long as the paychecks kept coming. ..

[@toolboxnj]

The only way to make more is to move around. Must double every seven years or you're doing something wrong. Companies do not care at all. You must look out for yourself.

[@Repomex01]

Employment is modern day indentured servitude to western materialism aka willing bondage. Try starting, a small business and become successful....not easy by a longshot.

[@mastermindrational1907]

Eh, I agree you should go for positions with higher pay, however, the question can get complicated depending on what is best for you. Some employers are just plain better to work for. Some have better benefits. Some have a better work environment. Some have better career development. Some are more financially stable companies. Consider the whole picture is my advice.

[@timbomb374]

So true. Companies will do whats best for the company. Which honestly they probably should. Likewise we should do whats best for ourselves.

[@richktp1]

My employer ( the big 3 ) will not accept a 2 weeks notice. They tell you to turn in your badge and get out.

[@lastofxy1964]

As my retired colleague has told me, when you work for a corporation...you are just a number. The best part is when they were threatening to cut you for the waxseen* . Just waiting for the lab rats to start dropping.

[@preptoadventure]

When I decide that being 100% remote was absolutely essential I ended up accepting a job that only paid like 16 bucks an hour. I went through a whole week of training before a real offer came through and I immediately kicked them to the curb. They wasted money drug testing me, shipping me equipment and paying to ship it back, and they had to pay me for a week of watching a HR videos. On top of all that I quit without notice since it would be another week before I did anything productive anyways.

[@verkinkcard4142]

What goes around comes around karmas a bitch. watch your back 'cause karmas coming after you

[@tracyseymour6059]

Good!!

[@preptoadventure]

@@verkinkcard4142 maybe my karma was losing the previous job I had been at for 6 years. The last two being fully remote until they decided COVID was done and everybody had to come back to the office. Maybe it was karma on the new company for advertising a customer service job as a technical help desk position.

[@15751Chris]

35,000$ a year to unload 4000-7000 pounds of food for my community. 8 people have either gotten transferred, quit, or gotten fired. We have gained 3 people in the past 2 years. We use to open the store with 4 people we have been doing it with 3 for the past year. There are 100 pound boxes of prime ribeyes, 95 pound boxes of tenderloins. Customers and even fellow employees have no respect for the amount of work we do to keep things looking decent, I will spend 10 minutes organizing the market to have some diabetic walking casket to fuck up all the work I just did. They will buy 100$ of meat to leave it on isle 3 to rot then wonder why prices for meat are through the roof. What do I have to show for it, a bad back, shoulder, and knees. All to make bonuses for the corporate overlords.

[@Coolman6564]

I would be slightly suspect to what the difference in job is for the additional $30k... almost sounds too good to be true...

[@JayTor2112]

I have zero loyalty to my workplace, but I need to pay the bills and there's nothign greener on the horizon. So I have to take their abuse and get reated like dirt and learn to love it, can't take less money, especially now.

[@Rage-_-Quit]

Figuring stuff out by trial and error is super efficient, you get a better understanding of the whole thing and can transfer that experience to other similar scenarios. Understanding why something does not work is as valuable as understanding why something works. Working in IT I can tell right away who taught programming to themselves by trial and error and who just copy pasted code snippets from Stackoverflow back and forth all their lives, they're the ones that have no idea what to do if they encounter a similar problem but that snippet from last time does not work in that context, because they do not even understand why it worked the first time.

[@geoffreytotton1983]

Now there is a boom on People are not staying with Employers who pay low wages

[@Angelofdeth20]

i was just about to quit a job and needed to hear this.

[@chaddoan4659]

It's more complicated than pay better. They also need to train their incoming employees. No one else is going to train for them but they don't understand the magic training fairy doesn't exist.

[@watamutha]

Yeah and if theyre worried about people leaving have them sign contracts like its dont in many places around the world.

[@chaddoan4659]

@@watamutha Those contracts aren't enforceable under U.S. employment law and they don't solve the underlying problem. Most managers in U.S. companies have never done an honest days work in their life let alone the jobs they are trying to manage. This means that most of the time they have no frame of reference for what they are asking their employees to do or what they need to provide them with in order to be successful. What they know is what some MBA textbook or business management professor says about a business that may or may not be all that similar or they're basing things off of the way they did things 30 years ago ignoring all market and technology changes.

[@chaddoan4659]

And that applies to most college educated jobs including engineers. You cannot leave most engineers alone with screw drivers or power tools in an industrial shop. They will break everything they touch and may kill someone.

[@CR055FIRE]

the #1 reason employers and employees view each other as enemies is because of the litigious environment of the U.S. legal system caused by over regulation

[@rubberduckie5518]

Nah it’s because both parties are explicitly using each other in a contractual relationship. There’s usually lack of respect in a relationship like that.

[@CR055FIRE]

@@rubberduckie5518 I disagree.

[@hankster0878]

The answer is very simple. The corporation will eat the cost of hiring / training because they know if the employee stays 2-8 years…. For years 2,3,4,5,6,7.. they will be getting top production from someone while also making sure raises do not keep up with inflation so you effectively take a pay cut every year.

[@kevinobrien9510]

Thank you Mr. Clarey!!!

[@tylersingleton9284]

My retirement plan is my son. He will get everything I own when he turns 30, and from there I will be his worker.

[@rika6767]

Sounds great, and smart

[@DemetriT1]

I agree with you. 3 years ago I was black balled by a Chinese microchip company. I was one of 5 Black employees and 1 of 2 black engineers. We both were given the business. And they were so sneaky, Jan 30th 2019, the day before W2's were sent out the VP himself tapped me on the shoulder and told me I was being ousted out of my job because they didn't appreciate an American Black person making their own people look bad simply because they didn't do a well enough job. They thought that because I took it upon myself to work and learn how to do my job correctly of which I got no decent help and spear-headed a whole department by myself it was disrespectful even though I used to ask them for help constantly. I lost 20% of my salary and became a technician with people who used to flip burgers before they were hired. I left soon after.

[@Skaggs666]

I’m an engineer as well. I bounced back and forth between 2 companies 4 times (Raytheon and GE). I even had a supervisor that I worked for a both companies twice and now he reports to me. It is what it is. Always take the money and be honest as to why you’re leaving. I got a bonus to stay for an extra year once. Money talks, bullshit walks.

[@andyn6053]

I will have two jobs remote fulltime simultaneously. Dont give a fuck about my employer. Im going for the money and doing what it takes to become top 1%

[@saintsword23]

My current company is a defense contractor and they're not bad. Decent companies are out there. They don't engage in the woke stuff beyond the most minimal lip service. We have an HR department but they're limited to answering time charging questions and doing onboarding. I've never seen them do much else. Yes, they're worthless, but to me it's whatever as long as they aren't bothering me. For the most part, they let me do my work (software engineering). Besides the need for heightened security awareness (the work is classified), it's pretty chill. Only three drawbacks: (1) They paid ok before inflation, but they haven't raised wages since inflation and so we're bleeding talent left and right. And, they probably won't raise wages anytime soon as we're bound to government contracts/budgets. (2) They won't promote from L1->L2->L3, etc before a certain prerequisite years of experience. You can be the best engineer at the company but stuck at L1 until you put your two years in. (3) The nature of the work (requires security clearance) requires the work to be done on site.

[@alansmith2892]

Likewise same job, sector and type etc. I can vouch for all of your points.

[@titolovely8237]

in my industry (refinery/chemical manufacturing) on average it takes 2-5 years to develop an employee into someone worth anything. on average it costs around $40k per employee to hire new people. they still nickel and dime people over a $1.00/hour raise. it's amazing. in my plant we've had around a 70% attrition rate for new hires over the last 10 years. in the last 7 years we've had 1 person be developed into a good senior operator. we've hired around 35 new hires in that same period. so $1.4 million in wasted new hires. it's simply astonishing.

[@samanthamorris2744]

I start off at 9/hr and continue to quit jobs til im now at 37/ hr at 21 still not enough to me. Fuck all of this jobs

[@MaryAllenjj]

I was loyal at my last job for 5 and a half years and now just got laid off very recently WTF! Working hard doesn't get you nowhere. During my 5 and a half years I was passed up twice for a lead and Supervisor positions. This is so BS!

[@amakaqueru33]

I'm literally in this same position!!!! Good to look at the video

[@impudentdomain]

they deserve the same treatment they gave others.

[@LibertyJefferson]

The ship is sinking, and the Captain and crew are looting the china and valuables before they make a quick exit with the life boat the passangers don't know about. Get your piece too, Sir.

[@joyfitzgerald9878]

Right on time!

[@mastermindrational1907]

By the way I totally agree with cappy that there shouldn’t even be a minimum wage, and that employers should pay very good wages for their employees… Cappy-do you have any ideas as to how I can provide some form of loyalty to my employees? Thanks

[@MichaelDavis-cy4ok]

You might not read this, but just in case, here's my two cents on how an employer can show or reward loyalty to good employees. 1: pay a wage that is above industry average for skilled employees. This will help you attract and retain the best employees in the industry, which will improve your bottom line with better production over time. 2. Provide the best healthcare package you can with the lowest premiums to your employees that is possible. Healthcare is killing family budgets in America, and is probably just as important a consideration to employees these days as pay is. Also investigate Health Savings Accounts instead of traditional health insurance. I've heard good things about these. 3. Give three weeks' paid time off per year instead of just two. You can even check out a Paid Time Off (PTO) plan instead of vacation + sick leave; it simplifies things on your end and gives flexibility to employees. 4. Give tuition reimbursement to employees and see if you can get a deal on online school for employees to get an Associate degree as well as Bachelor degrees related to your industry. This helps you build a better employee base as well as building loyalty. 5. Profit-share. Take 10 or 20 percent of profits and give it directly to employees at the end of the year. This also incentivizes performance directly. You can distribute it evenly or give more to employees with seniority, however you like. This gives employees a personal stake in company performance. 6. Be clear with expectations and performance evaluation. Create clear task lists for each position. Give quarterly evaluations like clockwork and stick to the task list only. Use clear statistics in their evaluations so that biases don't creep in. 7. Give cost of living wages to keep pay at least on par with inflation. Give additional raises based on experience and performance.

[@carlunderguarde8268]

He's right. As long as you give notice and be a man when quiting, you won't loose respect from any repectable business owners--especially if you have talent. Last job I went to hop to my current boss gave me 25k raise and work from home schedule just to stay.

[@thomasdonlin5456]

Don’t take a counteroffer.

[@alf.2929]

Pretty much what Joshua Fluke advocates on his channel.

[@joelover2631]

Couldn't agree more

[@michaelcummings6178]

I love to listen to you I really do everything you say makes a lot of sense you remind me of an expert yeah mine before a pet dog

[@prernaofficial2724]

My working staff deserves no loyalty.

[@timbomb374]

When it comes to a job, money might not be EVERYTHING, but man, is it a major part of it.