Is the DJI motor THAT good? Plus NEW eBikes from Pivot, Cotic and Mondraker

[@WalterRobinson867]

Watched your previous review on Amflow and the dji motor, super impressed! Amflow is definetly a hot catch right now in the emtb world. 102Nm of torque and a 120Nm boost mode, plus mullet compatible all in 160/150mm 20.65kg package is super impressive. I agree, It'll be hard to want to purchase any other emtb after seeing this.

[@WMooreMVP]

I always appreciate a powerful motor, and plus the Amflow frame design looks sick😎gotta get my hands on it one day

[@CoticBikesUK]

Thanks for mention and chat fellas. Really appreciate it.

[@AK-ContentCreatIon]

Dont forget the Sachs /BMZ RS can give 800w and 112 NM without overheating too. The only real, and surely defintive difference are those sensors and DJI really put the foot down, using all those for everything... the read time on the sensors and all other factors make an excellent drive system, and all factors could be channged in future updates... Its their first software... it will change dramatically in the next years.. to the better, and can be more flexible as all others. Hats off

[@nickroome2002]

I can’t help feeling the future is the Pinion. I’d love them to refine that further. I think the Bosch has ample power, not sure you need more. The parts wear is a big issue and I can’t help thinking Pinion is solving some of that as opposed to just adding x% more power with the DJI.

[@arvydasbareikis8836]

Always interesting to see your new videos with new stuff coming up 💪 well done 👏

[@jeddartjusticemtb6676]

The question we need to o ow is how many metres of climbing will the DJI do using the same amount of watt hrs as the opinion and Bosch . I think the only fair was to range test them would be to shuttle the same hill maintaining a consistent heart rate . Then publish the amount of vertical metres climbed and in what time I think that would be the most Interesting test for me 😊

[@fredEVOIX]

I rented a bosch gen4 and did 23miles 5831ft in around 5hours (37km 1772m) in the swiss alps going up ski slopes in autumn I initially started in tour but quickly went back to eco when I could because even in tour I saw the battery go down too fast for what I had planned, pretty much anything below 10% slope I did in eco 10-20% in tour and 30% more in emtb I did quite a bit of walk assist going up a ski slope I couldn't ride which apparently costs a lot of battery and ended up with 25% of 750wh left (keep in mind it was cold snow at the top no sun) sadly the rental had no recent display with the stats so it's all guesswork but it gave me an idea of what I wanted and could do, the main benefit is time, my record on muscular is 1852m D+ but that was a day long session with an ebike I could do that in half a day and be ready for another one tomorrow, p.s. there's an actual DH black track there the Champéry Mountain Bike World Cup but I didn't dare it I'm a casual biker with no protective gear with a rental bike >

[@eaze7324]

Pls don't say the Pinion has 160NM, it's not comparable, it's wheel torque which says nothing about the motor, it has 160NM wheel torque in the first gear and probably like 10NM in the 12th gear. Pinion just can't measure the motor torque because the gears are inbetween Motor and shaft, you could probably get 300NM wheel torque out of a Bosch CX if you put a 20T Chainring with a 80T Cassette in the rear. The "comparable torque of 85NM" is more fitting

[@wrosslandwr8032]

Exactly,this they should absolutely know and understand.Doesnt Rob understand such a basic thing?

[@essexhertsmtb]

I’ve ridden a Pinion - numbers aside it felt a lot more powerful than my Bosch. Big grin - wow that’s super punchy type stuff

[@stevebachtel]

They specifically said “in gear one”… twice.

[@eaze7324]

@@stevebachtel No, they said it's "a higher newtonmeter torque" in CERTAIN gears which is already wrong, they also showed a picture or video of all the 3 bikes with the nm showing above (160nm above pinion while showing motor torque of the other)... smartass

[@eaze7324]

@@stevebachtel they said that pinion is the more newton meter torque motor in certain gears, which is already wrong, then they also showed the 3 bikes side by side with the caption of newtonmeters above, labeled as 160nm pinion, 120nm avinox and 85nm bosch, and thats just plain wrong. good try though

[@Bndit666]

If I would be buying new ebike now for trail riding, I would buy the Crafty R, change the tires to Contis and it would be perfect bike for me. Maybe colors are bit dull but I could live with it. With non-removable battery it would be even better. And It’s great to see that Bosch is finally catching up Shimano and Specialized on integraation of esystems.

[@gr1809]

I’ve got a 2023 Crafty, got it for a steal at £4200, changed the brakes and put conti agrotal on, 2.5 enduro up front and 2.4 downhill on rear. Bike is unreal! New version definitely looks like a great improvement if you have the 💰💰💰💰

[@1970madre]

The absolut highlite for me is the removable battery . You've probably never spent the night in a mountain hut in the Alps where you had to remove the battery to charge it. I wouldn't want to be the one driving in the Alps the next day with an empty battery :)

[@freddyatlarge]

Thanks for the candid comparison. Keep up the great content.

[@benny360]

We need a bike with the ZF motor, super curious :)

[@craigsteele8178]

I'd lik to see the DJI motor to be built on some top enduro bikes like Santa Cruz or Specialized or Trek. The am flow frame does not appeal to me. It's exciting times for sure in the Bike Industry lets see if it can expand it's horizons on bigger bike?

[@_rhapsodist]

I think in the first year they want to milk the industry with bigger profit margin by selling it only in their own bike..

[@MrHamncheez]

It's a demo frame meant to wow other bike companies, not appeal to the consumer. It will probably never go on sale. It's a business to business model, not direct to consumer

[@hein_mcleod]

​​@@MrHamncheezare you living under a rock? The Amflow bike is for sale to the public to purchase. Will bought and rides one...

[@markgrimshaw4761]

Very interesting and informative. To me the best of the best 👌 keep up the good work 🙏

[@jexner]

I _really_ want to try a Cotic. I find the frame looks a little like a Pole Taival, which in my eyes is a big plus.

[@_rhapsodist]

those silly prices though..

[@vaidasn6781]

Enormus prices for old "skool". Could do this whit old frame and better system five times cheaper..

[@kentnilsson9757]

When The Bosch came with their over run and won all the Emtb race they tok over the market😊

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

I'm not sold on the extra power is better bumph yet, more power means bits ware out quicker. Chain, chainrings, hubs, spokes, brakes are all under more stress - components struggle with 85nm 😂. Parts manufacturers will have to up their future game that's for sure.

[@onemanandhisdog9]

Your bike will wear out quicker the more you ride it so do you just leave it in the shed? I'd love to know what difference it makes, not a lot after the initial fascination I'd guess.

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

@onemanandhisdog9 I cover around 240 miles a month on mine, off road in all weather conditions, and shockingly even some of the best branded components don't last long on it.. (and what's even more worrying is - my bike lives in eco mode). The point of my post is, EMtb parts need to be tougher before adding more power stress, at the moment they're only built to withstand analogue bike standards. More power will be like a hot knife through butter.

[@onemanandhisdog9]

@@dirtyoffroader2093 Depends what you mean by "best branded". Shimano XTR is expensive, Shimano LX cheaper and will last longer as it isn't made super light which isn't such an issue with an eBike but you can bet your last £ there will be a lot of parts snobs putting XTR (or other makes equivalent) on because thet think it looks good in the pub garden.

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

@onemanandhisdog9 I agree that the most expensive isn't always the most durable, but the same can be said right through the price range on mtb components. I've tried every kind of brand and model over the three decades I've ridden and I 100% prefer longevity over saving a few grams in weight. Personally, I think the Dji will be pushing the boundaries of current components no matter what make or model they are. I suppose only time will tell. But if they beef up parts because of it.. surely it will be better for all of us ebikers👍

[@EdBraunbeck]

Totally agree. I'd rather manufacturers focus on finding ways to get them around 35 lbs.

[@michaelmann3636]

I would like to see you guys do a review of some of the Bikesonline e-bikes, like the Polygon Siskiu and Collosus and Superior eXF B. They seem to be a better price point than the 8g and up bikes your always toting.

[@artofaccompaniment]

What happened to the Bafang m820 review? Is it coming soon? Thx

[@kentnilsson9757]

Rebuilt the DJI from a Trail to one Enduro bike😊. I have rebuild all my 5 Emtb Trail bikes to Enduro, because the Enduro "climbers" seems to hav a to steep seat tube angle for my typ of riding😊

[@Videomorgue]

If it proves reliable and ever makes it to the US, I would definitely look for a bike with a DJI motor. The Pinion MGU also looks interesting, but it would have to be priced comparable to a derailleur setup or make as much power as the DJI.

[@rudik5496]

DJi motor test of 1 week use with no problem…. It’s a lot better than what I got from my Fazua!!! It’s taken my over 6 months to get over all the niggles….

[@Mish913]

Did you guys let Troydan try the DJI bike? Maybe in a few years we could see a DJI Crestline if you did!

[@wrongusername]

What happened with the follow up video for LCE930?

[@phattysnow]

agreed, give us the ride review on it!

[@BSE75]

Lets see if the new turbo levo can beat the DJI.

[@jamesw1791]

The pivot shuttle is legit.

[@shaneycarter8803]

The Mondraker has the new Gen 5 but still the gen 4 built in display. A lot of bike manufacturers fitting the new Gen 5 have the gen 4 display with a larger surround ready for the imminent new screen, that's on the horizon. Therefore it will not be able to use it 🤔 This is what's so frustrating about Bosch. They drip feed into the market, leaving the Bike manufacturers scratching their heads. Dji got it right as a package from the get go. More power, more tech. I'm sure it's going to be a surefired win. It beats everything presently 👍

[@lenwest7734]

I’ll add that Trek also went with Bosch Gen 5 on their new bikes!

[@matthewfreeman1364]

Id love to hear how the Rocky Mountain with the Dyname4 motor stacks up. Should be closeish to the DJI

[@hein_mcleod]

Many people that I know chose their emtb based on the motor system. Bosch is well received here in South Africa.

[@slawomirgierek]

Regarding new Pivot Shuttle LT. Recently we managed to put new 600Wh battery instead of 759Wh and cut 1.2kg from its weight. I had to design and manufacture custom battery brackets for that. 😎

[@manuwen]

So as you where in Bellingham for a few days... Transition launching a DJI powered bike?! ;) When can we expect it? I know you can't tell but I'm looking forward to it. Cheers from Switzerland

[@lars_atx]

As a Pivot and Chris C fan (been riding his bikes since he was Titus), I think they missed the window here with motor. The motor and electronics are now an immutable factor of the frame, so makes sense customers are shopping by motor system. I am shopping for e-bike in US, and want to see what brands will announce the ZF and DJI systems.

[@davidpace4387]

No one compares how these bikes ride once they exceed the limit. Rarely is anyone steaming up Whistler. Last Friday i was climbing up bike park Wales and only went outside ECO into trail on a few parts if I didn’t the battery wouldn’t have lasted very long. On my local trails riding with mates i am regularly exceeding the limit racing round after them or them after me and its how it transitions between power and past the power. Although it is great seeing someone challenge the norm but the bigger innovation would be bigger batteries and less weight for the batteries

[@Patbike]

I kind of like the Cotic! I actually don’t mind that its battery isn’t integrated within the downtube. My only issue is that the battery shape is just awful, which gives it that 2016 e-bike look. Ideally, I'd love a steel enduro eMTB where I can remove the battery easily, and it would look and ride just like an analogue bike. That would be my ultimate all-rounder - perfect for trips where flying with an e-bike isn’t allowed, and shuttles are available anyway.

[@IdrisFashan]

Whistler… 15 minute climb… I nearly died 😅😅😅

[@OscarHernandez-xx2je]

Soon e-bikes will ride themselves and we’ll stay home on the couch and get an AI text from said bike telling us: Good job chap!

[@markusilomaki8922]

On the Cotic, still riding the Spectralon with external battety, when riding an eMTB after jumping on the bike I am not really thinking if it has an external battery or not. What I am thinking is ridefeel, suspension, tyres, ext. Now that every bike is an integrated battery an external battery is something unique. How do you suggest an eMTB would be made with a steel frame ride feel?

[@djm8027]

All these motors will and do wear out so more power means more maintenance which is fine if its possible, just like when dirt bikes went from lower reveving 2 valve simlpe designs to the high performance ones we use today. They need rebuilding after set amount of hours and can mostly done at home with some average skills a equipment and making the e bike motors repairable should be a part of the design.

[@justinharrell9256]

Measuring torque on the Pinion in specific gear makes no sense, gears multiply torque, if you measure the torque on a fixed gear motor then torque is based on motor output multiplied by fixed gear ratio, then cassette in rear multiplies again to hub, which you are not measuring, IMPORTANT. Pinion is switching gears in the motor and fixed ratio to rear end, so obviously Pinion should have higher torque coming out of motor but it doesn't change to rear end since thats fixed, GET IT? This is why you don't measure wheel torque in cars as a comparison because the transmission affects the torque value, you measure engine torque BEFORE GEARING. E-bikes are more difficult because all motor units have reduction gearing built in, but the Pinion has gearing that changes on the output so is not comparable! Torque is bad measurement overall because of these issues, watts (power) is better because of this, but you need power over rpm to get a good picture (power curve).

[@fredEVOIX]

my experience of 3 rentals of emtb (ordrered one since) bosch gen4 by default I found eco helped slightly not enough, tour(non+) too much bike was trying to go full speed as soon as I pedaled and emtb was more than enough I never used turbo once if it was too steep for emtb it was time to use walk assist, the tuning bosch flow app offer is definitely a plus, I only had the 2.6 27.5 rear (mullet) slip once on damp dirt going up a grassy mound (no trail I was in hiking not biking territory) whatever motor you use it needs to have tuning for your conditions or you'll end up like my 1st rental, a hardtail emtb that did burnouts as soon as the slope was too steep and forced us to push more than we should have (hard rear is bad on emtb do not regret the loss of a lockable shock if you come from an XC bike like my float dps-fit4 muscular)

[@cameronlunt765]

So what we need is a pinion gearbox with avinox motor and belt drive with the dji battery ??

[@ForbinColossus]

DJI motor sounds great but so did the Haibike Flyon with the torquey TQ motor. *So will the DJI motor last like the Bosch or crap out like the Flyon failed?*

[@noControl556]

I wonder how the US naming DJI as a Chinese military contractor is going to effect the bikes / e system availability and support in the US?

[@rogereheadbyrne4790]

Forbidden in the USA are putting the DJI avinox one of their bikes so!👍

[@Mish913]

​@@rogereheadbyrne4790have an article that shows that?

[@MGSDiego]

Hey Rob what’s the voltage these motors are running at? My Levo is 36v and with a 700w battery equates out to about a 20ahr. If the bike operated on a 48v system like the SL series bikes a 700w battery only gives you 14.5ahr. Typically what I see is the higher voltage motors, for example Bafang have 36,48 and 52v motors and if they all have the same 20ahr battery works out to 52v/1040w, 48v/960w, 36v/720watts of usable power.

[@seanfindley1428]

Nice review! Hey Rob could you review the LMX-64 sometime? It looks like a beast of a bike in its own class. It has been in Europe for a while and just now entered the U.S. market but not a lot of information on it yet.

[@SB-dv8ih]

What do you guys think of the 2024 mondraker crafty r ?

[@fastj1962]

I don't ride like you guys. I do some fire roads now and then, but I mostly road ride on mine so de-restriction is a must. Climbing, I've been on some steep climbs and I'm a fat ass now, but I have no need for extra power on my 2021 turbo levo comp.

[@davefreeman9347]

I would love to know how many chains and cassettes Will gets through over the coming months quite a few I would wager 😂 great podcast as always guys 👏

[@dallasdrew2390]

The PL pro has the T type SRAM transmission and it's claimed to last 3 times longer than the X01 so I don't think it's going to wear out that quick.

[@metalTriumph]

How do you feel about the Amflow sizing? Does it run smalller or larger or does it feel similar to any other bikes? The geo figures seem smaller. Im 6'2 and ride a canyon in large, i need to determine whether to order an L or XL.

[@willgreenfield]

I would say if anything the sizing feels slightly smaller than other brands i've ridden... but nothing crazy. i'm between 6ft and 6ft1 and am riding the XL, i do like bigger bikes though 🤷‍♂️

[@metalTriumph]

@@willgreenfield thanks for the info I really appreciate it.

[@weekenddistractions]

This is not a troll question. I have never been on an emtb nor do I know anything about motorcycles. At 66, I would like to get an emtb. While you guys were talking, I went to the Yamaha site and looked at what I could get for $10k. Many choices. These bikes are way more complicated than an emtb but many are cheaper than the latter. Why is this? Is it just a volume of sales thing?

[@lja3657]

Is there any updates coming from tq? more energy dense battery or small power bump to 400w 55nm possible.

[@Jonbsp]

The cyber truck test🫣. Beat a Bosch bike towing a Bosch bike 🥶

[@massimoamodeo2455]

Check the stats. The characteristics of the cotic are really interesting

[@thewrx2600]

How did you get the bike from the UK to Canada/Whistler? Isn't the battery fixed (not that it cant be removed, but then where do you get a battery in NA?), we aren't lucky enough to get that bike in the states yet.

[@thewrx2600]

Also, regarding power delivery; its not the power or torque, its the calibration, power delivery, and resolution/sample rate of the sensors and the ability of the "tuner" (at this time only manufacture) to calibrate the package for the rider, terrain, motor, and bike. I'm optimistic we will have an ecutek/hptuners, maybe eventually a motec option, for our ebikes so we will be able to "tune" our bikes to how and where we ride, not just a calibration that is setup for broad audience and rider type, which is generally geared toward the beginner on ebikes. :(

[@Vodafone16v]

Hey there! I've always used 2.6 tires on my EMTBs, but I'm curious to know why you prefer 2.5/2.4 tires. I recently downsized to 2.5 tires because I wanted to try the Albert Radials, and I'm really liking the feel of the ride so far. A video on tire preferences would be sooo clutch cuz tire selection here on the EMTB world is soo crucial. Specially that rear tire that suffers so much and don't know why some bikes are still being spec'd with EXO and EXO+. That doesn't work. Maxxis needs to step up their game cuz Schwalbe is on fire. (Changed topic) but not going back to Maxxis anytime soon. 😂

[@AK-ContentCreatIon]

any motor in that lower gear has more NM... they dont turn down the NM depending on the gear... so there is a lot more torque in the other too... 800w/1000w is more than the MGU and the CX could provide

[@tdkf1]

@RobRidesEMTB What do you guys think of doing a video on HPC bikes, Maverick? Lots of power, lots of travel, and a 480 chain stay!

[@pjewk]

Anit wheelie mode :) Im a dirtbiker, for me a can handle the speed so i'll go for the Amflow Dji, negative thought is the warrrantyl claims and the payment stuff

[@erichbachman7363]

Been trying to find a place to buy since it got announced but can\t find any dealers for norway.

[@marksrc-ri9jf]

when you getting the zf motor and bike with the zf motor in ? simplon

[@nickjones5728]

I think going over 90NM is going to require drivetrain manufacturers to make an ebike specific drivetrain that’s way Beefier than what we currently have. That’s why I think MGU has to be the answer and the future no other way around it!

[@DAZ1925]

To me, size specific would mean equal amounts of unique chainstays as frame sizes. Not five frame sizes and only two chainstays lengths. I realise Rob is only quoting mondraker speel.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Correct, proper proportional, or size specific would mean that each chainstay is unique in length so that the front centre to rear centre ratio is the same. As far as I know the only brand in the industry to do it this way is Forbidden bikes. They maintain a near 1.8 ratio of Front Centre to Rear Centre across their size ranges.

[@mnc303]

So once more than about 95Nm of Torque is delivered to a wheel on a steep technical climb, loss of traction will occour. Hence why Shimano and Bosch keep their motors under 90Nm. Software can't fix this problem. I ride a eMTB with a Bafang M620 mid drive that has 160Nm of Torque and it will slip like crazy on technical climbs if I have the power on full.

[@christophed4579]

I would love to see these new engines fitted to non "rich dentists" VTTAEs.

[@porroco]

I own a yeti160e & i loved that bike, but is already outdated ebike waiting for them to release a new gen ebike & 2025 160e was another last year spec. I would have to let that brand go and buy a pivot LT or vala

[@pablojmcglynn2863]

I'd love to see the amflow /dji motor in another frame build /brand 180 /180 /190/190 something similar to the pole sonni . An Ebike that can smash dh and enduro. Would like to see atherton put an ebike out there. I'm pretty sure they said a while back to this space. The way its looking now needs to be sub 24kg , 800 battery that recharges quickly and noise free ....and under 8k ... not asking for much 😂

[@Raumance]

It's very annoying in a podcast when you have someone who asks a question but then doesn't let the person answer it and constantly interrupts. Guy in the orange hat can't stand him.

[@BillyBob-ri9pm]

He always seems an idiot for sure. That schoolyard sneer at the Cotic. Clear he has no clue of their history. And yeah he constantly talks over everyone.

[@LuisManuelHdez]

He's the only guy really enjoying this! The guy in the beige shirt is so damn introverted!😅. He looks like he wants to hide behind that desk!😂 All that aside, I like the Amflow but will probably never own one (I'm in the U.S) Don't foresee them coming here. The Bosch gen 5 seems awesome. My next bike will probably be the Orbea wild. Would love a bike with that zf motor. Looks like an amazing little motor. Hoping we see more bikes with that motor soon.

[@Raumance]

@@LuisManuelHdez If your idea of having fun is smiling and babbling on then sure. Just because you smile while being obnoxious doesn't help.

[@klassyken]

I'll start by the disclaimer that newer isn't always better. Now that's out of the way, I am disappointed in brands implementing older battery tech and drive units as recently demonstrated. I have heard directly from brands saying that they chose the cx race motor due to its lighter weight and performance advantages, ceramic bearings, etc. However the older battery negates that weight advantage, and we all know at this point the new bosch motor is a considerable improvement over the last iteration. I have also heard from a brand that the newer 800 wh battery compromises performance due to the weight, which again doesn't make sense to me as the older 750 wh battery is both heavier and longer than the new 800 wh bosch battery. Yes the battery pack is wider, but that enables the weight to sit lower as Crestline have demontrated. Final word, the 1st brand to implement the 800wh battery, make it removable put a 4 bar suspension design, newest boshe motor, and 170 mm of travel will in my option will rule 2025's e bike market, assuming components are of good specs and pricing is competitive. If consumers do want the race motor from the last gen then make it an option on a model or 2.

[@david029014]

Whats going on with Yamaha motors anything new?

[@Magic_Vince]

Had anyone already figured out of tuning modules work for the DJI? All this power would be wasted if limited to 25km/h.

[@thim8009]

Maybe bosch made bike manufacturers a profitable deal no one else could.

[@hrdtduck]

You guys kill me... we here in Oregon have 2 hour climbs, NOT using turbo as if you did you'd exhaust the battery before you get to the top of the mountain...a real problem

[@xtrainerchronicles2085]

I'm not really concerned about a bike that can't be purchased like the amflow. It is made from unobtainium.

[@kriszientala9274]

Where can I find some movies from Will?

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Check his KZbin: Willgreenfield1

[@TC-hl1ws]

Has anyone seen the DJI Avinox sold separately so that I can swap it with my Banfang M500???????????? ❤‍🔥

[@bobdunahee88]

Seems like more care about motor and tech over how a bike actually rides or how a bike holds up.

[@jarkkomannisto6413]

Weard hyping only the DJI... Bafang is more powerful motor with m560 ( 140nm and peak 1200w ) I think these are payed ones... Everyone are just smiling and kind of telling, that DJI is best of all 😂 How much did you guys make ? And this is not the only video about this ... 😂

[@david029014]

How is 7000 pounds good! Prices are still crazy!

[@link6032]

The way reviewers are assessing this DJI motor is just about power and numbers, get a motorbike if more power is all that matters, unless you are so heavy and unfit that you ride all day in turbo and you cannot get to the 15mph limit there will be such limited benefit of a motor with so much more power and torque. How was Rob not able to get to the speed limit in turbo mode when the other chap managed to tow someone and go past him !.

[@willgreenfield]

We were going up a mountain when we overtook Rob, the bosch couldnt make it to the speed limit on that particular climb because it was steep-ish and rocky

[@simonstucki]

to be honest, I've never seen an full power ebike with a removable battery that I find aesthetically pleasing (those monstrous downtubes, so ugly). I'd much rather have a easily removable external battery it's still not very beautiful but less annoying. also a few kilos less doesn't hurt... I think cotic did the right thing for cotic

[@beingprovidence]

This! Along with all the BS proprietary batteries and mounts, just more nonsense to lock you into a manufacturer ecosystem...until they move on to the next footprint.

[@johngreason9964]

The only Gen 5 bike I'd consider is the new Haibike Allmtn. Around 5k, given its frame/format, perfect. Actually, nothing compares given its price. DJI. I think it's time to pit it against something in its own "weight class." A Bafang M560 in a Markhor frame set. 2 brands, fairly unknown, together have the capability. Interesting. The Pivot. That's a $4199, 2022 bike. When you really get down to it. Final words, the Saturn. Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it might be loud. It is unapologetic. Of all the newest, latest, and greatest, I think the Saturn is the truest to what the spirit of an EMTB is meant to be. Cheers,

[@didgineil]

Lol, the camera angles just fell like memories being on a zoom call, 2020,s again 😂😂 poor Adam, and Will, do they each have their individual sponsor, Peaty’s, Oquo,

[@sustainart5207]

So, one rider would be 15kg lighter. Imagine climbing a hill with a 15kg suitcase?

[@lozetchells9164]

Regarding both the pinion and the DJI - I'd want at least a year of reliability reports before considering either. Anyone know the IP rating of either?

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

DJI as a company makes very reliable motors. That is one their big selling points.

[@jonathangriffin7042]

The DJI motor is rated at IP66. Their display, battery and controller are IP56.

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

Agree, waterproofing is a major issue with motors. Personally, I want to see how long components last with that extra power.

[@antdod1]

I wish will would be a bit more interactive he always seems to just sit there and not have much to say

[@McNulty030]

So Amflow and nothing else 😮

[@FireLysm]

Do you remember when phones were 600€ and in two years we suddenly jumped to 1.2k to 1.5k€??? I feel that's happening to eMTB right now, they are testing us how stupid we are. No bike is worth 15k, not even latest and greatest, 10k max and even that is insane. I have Several pivot bikes that are in that range, but we need to start voicing our opinions louder. Other ways we'll see e-bikes 18K€ in next 2 years...

[@OscarHernandez-xx2je]

Right? Screw those prices. I have an e-bike and a mountain bike and I refuse to continue to get gouged. No offense to Rob, but your business is promoting new stuff and getting people believing they need said new stuff.

[@bmartinot]

The max legal output is 250w Surely the power output shouldn't be swinging anyone's purchasing decision. If you want power a legal pedal assist bike is not the right choice.

[@MrTaxidriver50005]

I do wonder are these dji bikes actually legal, if there not it needs to be stated as they are going to do more harm than good. And I wonder about drive train longevity

[@ManchurianCounterweight]

drive train will last like a week.

[@c20letboy]

Meh my offer still stands, come ride my lmx64 for a weekend and feel some real power 😁

[@S14AA]

Of course any bike has different torque in different gears......

[@markwedderburn3147]

That Cotic. Cant stop laughing. They've brought out a model T Ford and lauding it as a Great British thing. Surprised they didn't wrap it in a Union Flag. 8 grand.....really?!!

[@tonym6633]

140 NM Bafang M560 says hold my beer.

[@emonty62]

Pinion motor will last longer then the chinese DJI junk

[@jeremykelm6113]

That DJI motor is concerningly powerful. I say this as an owner of 3 e-bikes (and 0 acoustic bikes) who hates e-bike haters. However, the fact that it wheelies off the start and throws dirt while climbing gives me a somewhat repulsed feeling about it. I think that watching this video may accelerate my shopping for my first acoustic MTB. With eMTBs this powerful, I’m afraid we’ll see more strict regulations regarding use of e-bikes in trail systems. I typically ride a Gen 2 Bosch CX in ECO.

[@CliseruGabriel]

honestly i give a rat's ass about the DJI no matter how hard you drum about it. If bosch wants to they can also do a drift machine. I know because I've had an unlocked bosch gen 3 before and god damn it accelerates up to 45 km/h FAST. I'm fairly interested in the Pinion and i'm actually considering it as the next bike.

[@onemanandhisdog9]

Steel is fabulous for rigid or hardtail bikes but as most eBikes are full suss I don't really see the need for such an ugly beast. I have a Niner SIR9 and my next purchase may well be an Amflow, but it certainly won't be a an eCotic, I like my bikes to be functional and good looking.

[@Canoneosmiami]

We are not trying to learn British accent English,it’s super annoying….

[@DiRovo]

You are completely wrong. Rockcan and Dengfu are same company and comes from same factory. The quality control from both are equal 😂. Study more bro. Cheers.

[@smelker]

Its not fair that Bosch runs the show.. As soon as Dji arrived they canseld the E ews, but when they came out with their new tech like the over run, then it wasnt any problem..😝😝