This eBike is Nuts....

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Just a FYI - I made a mistake, the bike IS included with the water bottle (and strap for the bottle also), I incorrectly stated that you have to purchase it as an extra. Sorry to provide incorrect info

[@ryborg123456]

I'm glad the bike is included in the cost.

[@ste.palmer85]

Do you still have to pay for delivery box aswell? Looked af getting a canyon last year and I thought it was madness they were charging £18 for the delivery box

[@z1onmedia475]

They should also give you a free insert for the bottle

[@EMTBTroy]

That’s just oppositional without thought. I own this bike and buying the bottle is no big deal when up look at the spec and the fact that this is a downhill, bike park bike that has a category 5e bombproof frame. I don’t think that was explained enough in the review. It’s not a trail bike, and being a gravity bike the water bottle won’t fly out.

[@justmeridingmybike]

I bought this bike (the Ken Roczen version) and i really like it. That water bottle is just mint. I updated the Zeb fork to 190mm for a tat more ground clearance on the BB and put some 145mm PINND cranks arms on it to prevent pedal strikes. Now this is the bike that can do it all. From 80+km XC rides to Trail/Enduro and Bikepark laps. I also own a Commencal Power Meta Trail, but i hardly touch it anymore. Rock solid bike! 💯❤

[@-zerocool-]

The water bottle is the only thing turning me off buying this beast, if only someone made some clean shroud that covers it or maybe a shroud with integrated tool kit or something.

[@maciejsarnik3251]

Same for me, its ridiculous! Weight distribution, noise, look. Never would buy this thing, maybe some dentists would...

[@TysyTube]

same, i dislike the bike before of this🙈

[@dereksouza7409]

I have that bike, it ripppps. Turns on a dime. I don't have the water bottle. I also have another e bike that is twice the price. The Canyon is just as good

[@steve4297]

Remove the water bottle and cover with contact/car wrap, it’s that simple.

[@CarkeekW]

Easy enough to make a cover , they will turn up after market

[@robchurches598]

I ordered an e-bike from Canyon. Bike turned up with no keys. I asked for the keys to be sent out but they said it was not possible and the bike had to be returned with no date on a replacement bike. They then took a couple of months to return my money. Customer service was terrible. I would never order from them again.

[@Megabear90]

There are so many stories like this that keep me from buying their bikes. A normal bike with fewer parts, like a gravel bike I could get behind, I don't need much support and can do everything myself. But an e-bike? No way.

[@beerenmusli8220]

Damn- They should instead have sent you a new Lock and Keys together with a paper that they will pay for the installation for the new lock

[@EMTBTroy]

This bike does not have or need keys so what is your point.

[@beerenmusli8220]

@@EMTBTroy But other E-Bikes from Canyon do.

[@dereksouza7409]

I have this Canyon and another e bikes. My other bike was twice as much as the canyon. My Canyon is 51lbs with the 700 series battery. I made several modifications, rims,155 cranks, and thin pedals to help with strikes. It turns on a dime. Hate on the bike because of the water bottle set up, but give it a ride if you can.

[@jpettigrew1773]

This is a great bike. I have one myself. Excellent review Rob, you touch on the points that I have also experienced. I changed the saddle and replaced the pedal arms with Pinnd shorter pedal arms. It is now an awesome piece of kit I know the water bottle is a bit marmite but it works really well 👍

[@strangehighways3]

I bought the 5dev 155mm cranks, it changes the game. Stock cranks i was smashing all the time.

[@dereksouza7409]

I just use a camel pack.

[@durothean]

just to give everyone who doesn't ride an Ebike a good idea of the real world range on a 900wh battery on the canyon spectral ON with the new ep801....i'm about 225 with all my bike gear on, i did just under 21 miles, 3310 elevation gain, and had about 20% left on the battery. I ran it in boost on the service roads and trail on the descents. I find i like eco or trail even on the downs. sometimes you run into flatter connecting trails before going back down, or even small punchy climbs, and having the motor on, just makes it that much faster and easier.

[@trailpimp6369]

I love mine. I have this same exact bike and it is great from XC to bike park. I am a season pass hold at a ski lift bike park and this rides like a DH bike. This is like a mini YT Tues and the rear end looks like it too. $4800 US no tax no shipping for Black Friday sale

[@klaymoon1]

This bike with Pinion integrated motor/gear will be the future!

[@dodgymtbknee]

everyone hating on the water bottle and not the fact someone is riding an emtb 🤣 makes a change. the bike is awesome i love my torque:ON CF9! the water bottle is a bonus in my opinion. drill through the sides of the bottle mount and you can add a strap if choose to, have tools/innertubes/spares instead as there is quite a large gap to fill👌

[@venivelovici]

Good point. All this hubbub about the water bottle and no one’s acknowledging that you DON’T HAVE TO USE IT. 😹

[@gvnthomas]

When paying this much for a bike and they then expect me to pay extra for the novelty water bottle to go with said bike, it would be enough to think screw you I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[@Silverbeardedsurfer]

Totally.

[@canieto1]

This is one of the highest spec value bikes out there. huge Performance to price ratio. The bottle isn’t that much. I don’t see how this is a big deal.

[@Silverbeardedsurfer]

@@canieto1 Precisely because the bottle doesn't cost much. Frame is fugly without it too.

[@strangehighways3]

I bitched about it and they sent me a free one

[@Gmh6477]

And you won’t get as good spec “elsewhere” for the same money. Spend £1000 more so you don’t have to buy a £15 water bottle 😂 great thinking that.

[@PedroMartinsEnduro]

Now the EP801 has overrun with the latest update!

[@JulianGoesPro]

Love it too (but am still rocking the spectral:on right now)

[@duffyrides]

To each their own. And while I kinda like this bike, I noticed from many of your videos that you and I definitely have different preferences in what makes a good e-bike. I’m not a fan of huge burly tanks for bikes. Much prefer the lightweight SL versions. I’ve noticed you really like the powerful and burly bruisers with as much power as possible. I also dislike the overrun that you say you like ! Definitely want my bikes to feel like regular bikes as much as possible. Light , playful and poppy. For everything else I’ll ride a motocross bike, and I think a lot of moto guys might agree. We already have motocross bikes so for us we want a bicycle to be a bicycle. I think the Orbea Wild strikes a good balance of power and nimbleness (for a full power bike ). But again. To each their own !

[@ronlind1757]

Super cool bike and tech... except that water bottle unfortunately is a miss. Try replacing it in a few years when not available, top weight, and noisy.

[@jokermtb]

3d print some beer holder for apres bike fun

[@klassyken]

Defiantly do the Shimano 801vs Bosche please Rob!!!!

[@Stockfish1511]

Have ridden both. Bosch is better and the new integrated system makes it very convenient.

[@deanrwilson]

The 801 is no match for the Bosch and that's why they already have a newer motor coming than the 801. Sadly they are all incompatible with each other as you'd expect. The newer motor coming apparently has more over run etc.

[@robertbransby]

Is that water sloshing about or just the fox float X2 😂

[@greggory448]

Fox shock from leftover old stock...it leaks automatically 😅

[@Evo836]

@@greggory448 Seal heads have all been changed to the latest one as I haven't had a problem since on my 2023 X2 and cures aeration as that was my main problem with the 2023.

[@robertbransby]

@@Evo836 time will tell I guess

[@BeniKenesei]

@@Evo836 Doesn't matter. I've got a 2024 replacement, it lasted an amazing 2 weeks🤓

[@Bittersfamily0424]

You can run 2.6 front and rear tires to raise the BB. Plus shorter cranks. This may be enough to feel more comfortable.

[@tommydale5309]

will the frame handle 2.8's, I know the fork will . Love those bigger tires !

[@TheDamnhook]

Crazy engineering indeed. Wouldn’t ever want to look at this thing again.

[@EMTBTroy]

I own this bike and nice review. The motor is less important than what this bike is designed for which is gravity, bike park, and downhill. I ride downhill a lot and never hit the bottom bracket and for jumps the lower BB height makes this bike one of the best jumpers on the market, so raising the BB would ruin the bikes intended use. I think you could’ve explained more on what the bikes purpose is vs talking about the motor. People that buy a bike just for the motor really aren’t looking at the whole picture because all the motors are pretty good out there and you need to ask yourself does the frame / spec if the bike fit your needs and your riding style. This bike fits mine needs perfectly because I like gravity flow trails downhill. It will do technical climbs just fine, but that is not its intended use. you take the fire road up or the easy trail and then you bomb down with confidence due to that low center of gravity.

[@martinsalharriso2cou]

Love the bike - HATE the water bottle. Adding weight that high up is insane. Plus I carry 2 litres on a long ride out (in a back pack bladder) so I would have to carry a stupid empty bottle just to fill an ugly hole. Sole reason I wouldn't consider buying the bike.

[@SDK2006b]

The bike weighs 26 KG, a 600g water bottle (2.3% of the total weight) makes practically zero difference. I rode one at a Canyon Demo day last year (Windhall) and it was absolutely awesome. This thing would eat the Mega Avalanche for breakfast !

[@simony2801]

The bottle is a terrible idea, means they have to mount the display back on the handlebars, on the cross tube is the best place for the display.

[@JulianGoesPro]

Is there a longer term review? :) Love the content!

[@steve4297]

For all those that dislike the water bottle top tube. I have this bike and have simply applied some contact/car wrap over it. You wouldn’t know otherwise. However it would be nice if Canyon would manufacture a blank insert to fit if you decided the water bottle idea is not for you.

[@venivelovici]

Looks fantastic. Don’t care about the water bottle, it’s the stem/headset cable routing that sucks. Though I’d still consider this. I have a lot of vert out my back door.

[@ExhumedToConsume]

God damn stealth bomber of a mountain bike lol

[@mattcgtx4809]

I have EP801 running auto/free shift. Just got a new firmware update that has over-run adjustments!! I think it will actually be enabled in the software on the next version update, but it can be done at the dealer now .

[@martinsalharriso2cou]

Also - seams really close now to the Strive-On - interested to hear how you think it differs..?

[@beeannon2870]

Just got mine and absolutely love the water bottle!😂

[@ZippidyMTB]

This is the reason a few companies sell shorter cranks for ebikes.

[@jimhofoss9982]

instead of improving components, Canyon opted for gimmicks.

[@michaelolson3616]

I'm pretty sure there isn't another ebike out there that could compete with the torque:on 8s components for the price. Maybe the YT Decoy, but I'd love to hear what bike you consider better

[@adventurecycling3007]

oh my dream bike 😍😍

[@starmostarmo3711]

that bike is a thank free ride monster😍

[@mattspen]

I don’t mind the water bottle. I’d rather have it than nothing. It wouldn’t stop me buying the bike. But it would worry me about resale if the bottle head wore out and couldn’t be replaced, I would rather see the frame curve out more for a standard bottle.

[@brendan1]

Not a fan of that bottle or the space for it in the top tube. Much prefer being able to use a regular bottle and store it further down the bike on the down tube, like on my Orbea Wild. Perfectly engineered.

[@iannorris8891]

Bet that water bottle rattles like crazy after a years use !

[@TheJubeiam]

After 2.5k km it does hold like new

[@iannorris8891]

@@TheJubeiam good to hear, not like a modern car then 🙂 !

[@TheBarnylondon]

Another cracking review ….. BUT you did say “massive shaft”😂

[@th4tjosh]

Can we get a “battery” word counter 😂😂

[@netposerx]

Not a good idea to require a proprietary water bottle. Would have been better to allow for standard water bottles.

[@tomcagle5324]

If only there was someway to access water without a bottle from the cage? Maybe something that goes on the back or even hip...and then has like a hose to use like a straw? Naaaah, that's crazy thinking. Better to over engineer a cutout space in the frame with a fancy bottle at the worst spot for CG high and forward and add another 600 g....genius!😉🍻 Otherwise, looks good, long travel and big battery!👌

[@dd776]

That water bottle would make such a good battery extender!

[@adammccarthy2157]

500 miles on mine best bike I’ve had

[@csread]

I have the Torque size XL non-ebike, also 6'4, and at Whistler bike park I notice a weird balance too, like I'm leaning on the front to the extent that the back wheel gets loose. This isn't a problem I have on my Spectral size L.

[@dsaint94]

Rob, if you think that water bottle looks cool, then I suspect Canyon have "influenced" you in some way. It's the one thing that completely ruins this bike.

[@Cartsp70]

💯! What a ridiculous design

[@rowanwilliams7441]

Looks cool to me. You'd never know it was a water bottle if you didnt know

[@rowanwilliams7441]

Car dent filler + sanding + painting = no more water bottle & no more hole in frame

[@KurtisPape]

When you can't get a replacement water bottle in 5 years the whole bike is going to landfill 🤣

[@justmeridingmybike]

That's why you buy a spare one with the bike if you are smart. 😜

[@milocuevas]

i am keen on the comparison between EP801 and the Boch cx 4 race and not race. So many bikes I would have love have but I always look for bosch cx 4

[@Billy-cs4cc]

Quit crying over a bottle. ( babies)

[@haroldochiquito]

It's kinda crazy to point out that the water bottle stands on its own 🤯

[@SimSlider]

Raise the dropper for a seat post mounted water bottle cage and save on the CANYON water bottle

[@justmeridingmybike]

Yeah.. a seatpost mounted water bottle on a Freeride E-bike. #smart

[@johngreason9964]

Cool bike, and I actually like the water bottle. But matched against other bikes, such as Haibike Nduro, Scott Ransom Eride, and dare, I say dengfu E82, this bike just doesn't sell me. Personally. The Canyon doesn't exactly capture what LT emtbs are about. The Canyon seems built heavily specifically for DH/park.

[@Stockfish1511]

I really wanted to buy this bike in Ken roczen coloring. But that ugly waterbottle was big dealbreaker for me. Went with gen 4 rail instead. Happy with the buy

[@PEACERUNCZ]

Hi Rob, another great bike review, thanks for that 🙏 My question is: I have the Norco Range Vlt C2 enduro e-bike with the Shimano EP8. Can I actually upgrade this bike to the EP801 motor w the new software upgrade with the overrun? (Are the motor mounts the same?) Or is there a chance to upgrade the software on the EP 8 to have the overrun there? Many thanks for your answer 🙏😉Keep up your great work. Gratitude 🙏

[@DAZ1925]

I used to shift using my finger but changed to just using my thumb as that way I'm always covering my front brake.

[@dan123collins]

Cool idea with the water bottle, but mad to think it’s not included with the bike as it’s a cheap item and the bike looks silly without it. Also can manufacturers please move away from the shimano motor, they can’t be repaired ( by shimano or 3rd party repair shops ) - no spares available, expensive to replace and always on a long lead time. Plus they like to have software issues. I personally avoid any bike if it has a shimano motor for the above reasons.

[@UKMitchy]

@@dan123collins Boschalso do not supply spars for their motors . Replacement only through a service centre.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Hi Dan - I made a mistake with the bottle - it is in fact included with the bike. Cheers, Rob.

[@jonswain4539]

Hey rob, if you see this- have you any thoughts on the new orange patriot mx ls? I don’t see many if any reviews for such a killer e-bike. love your content mate, all the best ❤

[@bazzb1973]

How much canyon paying you to big this bike up

[@jonh4764]

Космический аппарат... 😎🔥🔥🔥👍

[@TravisN]

strive vs torque on, 801 vs CX coming soon? Also, I just saw a video from another channel that compared the over-run of the two (only in turbo on the 801), and lots of comments today saying shimano just released an app update that allows tuning the over-run. EDIT.. your vid also just dropped: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXObhnSEr996bck I would love to see more info and comparison; I'm a current analog strive owner and looking to go electric this year. Thanks!

[@spawnrcandbikes]

they say both are similar power except 801 cadence is more reactive to your pedal style whatever that means,,,,i have a cannondale with bosch cx motor and turbo mode it nice...powers up hills no problem...the only issue is my bike is heavy 57lb...im looking to buy lighter ebike 40lbish with same power...maybe neuron...or cannondale Sl.....

[@jasonlee4267]

I am on the fence between this and one of the Haibike allmtn 7 upwards range, first e-bike potentially for living and travelling around the english lake district, any preferences or recommendations?

[@ViceVersaMusik1]

I want this bike SO BAD!

[@UKMitchy]

Competitor for the 'Ugliest bike 2024" . Proprietary water bottles lol. No good for little me at 167c (5" 6"). Can't honestly think of a positive, except maybe the motor.

[@ivanclementecabrera]

900wh and amazing geo, also nice build and cat 5

[@UKMitchy]

@ivanclementecabrera over weight and fine for bigger people. I want to ride a bike, not drive a tank.

[@ivanclementecabrera]

@@UKMitchy it's 24.7 with 900wh and pedals, so 23.7 with the 720...it's not heavy, it's not super light but it ain't heavy, you can drive what you want but it's not an heavy bike for what it does and have

[@Unforbidden]

No mud guards, could get messy!

[@ondrejjanoska660]

This bike in 3 years with DJI motor and 1000wh battery with 20kg is going to be the best! 😂

[@Admiralwip]

hmm not sure about the water bottle, i hate plastic water bottles they give the plasticy taste to the water. If there would be a possibilty to mount a range extender battery instead that would work for me.

[@panang3552]

How the hell can i buy it??? On canyon s website is unavailable!!!

[@YongPark-g3h]

That water bottle design is just unacceptable......we all have different opinions on things but that design is beyond ugly. It's like someone trying really hard to earn worst looking bike award.

[@CordlezToaster]

Canyon warranty is a hard pass for me.

[@antoniolatorre6047]

Water bottle raising the center of gravity up? No thanks

[@frankmatibs8076]

I wished I’d bought one of these instead of a Kelly’s Theo’s which has now snapped across head tube 😤

[@thewanderingadobo]

How to purchase?

[@ShredQuestMTB]

They really polarized their customer base with a frame designed around a non standard water bottle. Ride without it and the ugly, empty compartment is staring you in your face the whole ride. Ride with it empty and it’s probably rattling the whole time. Some folks prefer to have the weight on their bodies rather than the bike. As other commenters have pointed, it’s the main reason I won’t consider buying this And it’s just plain ugly. The water bottle is the cyber truck of water bottles 😂

[@rowanwilliams7441]

Wow ur assuming it rattles. Even if so, is it not a simple, elegant fix? Self adhesive rubber strip as a shimmie?

[@g.wilsondh8407]

Nice bike! I think big travel e-bikes make so much sense. Just one thing Rob: I think you got it wrong about the low BB making a bike easier to tilt around. It is actually quite the opposite. The lower the mass, the more it tends to stay upright (think of roly-poly toys) So actually a low BB makes a bike more stable and predictable, but also harder to lean very fast from side to side. IMO canyon made a mistake with such a low BB, ebikes should benefit from a couple extra mm in that area. The bike would be still very planted because of the weight. But you would have less pedal strikes and it would add a little more lively attitude to it Just my 2 cents, awesome video as always, love your work!

[@paal6846]

100% this would sell a lot better without the water bottle integration.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

I like it!

[@VINLAND_777]

Rob, seems your arm show signs of the missing weight on the front wheel 🤫

[@tonyvaccarelli7950]

looking into getting the Strive ON UNDERDOG , thinknibjust might do it ,it has the bosch

[@Hongulugulu]

Is the hub from the canyon torque on cf 9 ( 2024 ) loud or silent ?

[@thedirtyPIE]

That water bottle makes it a big no from my dog. Functionally I don’t love it, I know the sloshing would annoy the F out of me, and aesthetically it looks awful.

[@mastitimewithaar5906]

Where we can parches this cycle

[@bishworai5290]

I love this e bike

[@eunos1800]

"Could probably ride all day on Turbo, haven't tested it yet" what's the point of a 15min vid then?

[@tbolende]

Why is this video coming out now? There is nothing new on the Torque

[@123cyberaug321]

I demo'd one of these and it's an amazing bike, if it had the Bosch cx motor it would be perfect, the Shimano just isn't for me.

[@sebinofh4379]

I bought the ebike 3 weeks ago and motor rattles like crazy i hate that , paid 8k for bike and it starts rattling like chinese toy after 100km... all bolts tight..

[@tomislavpurgaric738]

that water bottle just kill the bike

[@bjorne46]

My water bottles can also stand on the counter 🥸

[@euanbegbie]

The bottle looks ridiculous, one of the reasons i didn't buy the bike.

[@hdys5651]

Ya tuhan bagus sekali sepedanya,sekalipun bekas gak apa2 yang penting punya😊

[@nessebroeckaert7725]

I think you love this bike 😂

[@topheavy7616]

Triangle bottles are the future. I’ve been saying this for years.

[@mtbmagal]

🤣

[@neilk22]

Press brief from canyon -> Rob, please downplay bosch, please up play Shimano EP8 and cable XT gears - avoid talking about how perfect Specialized is, how great AXS is and dont mention that their product is sold out because of it.

[@apachemxo]

$7k hell nah 💰💰💰

[@dougmcdougall3997]

The water bottle is a waste of tech ! You don't need to re- invent the wheel !

[@TheJubeiam]

Bb is so low. I had to fit 160 cranks right away

[@DX-tk6fy]

Looks like a great bike... but the very aspect that they've focused the whole design around, is the very thing completely putting me off...and you can't opt out of it.

[@SFlorianSabo]

Cool cool, to bad it rattles.

[@snowboarder753]

Personally I don’t like the water bottle rest looks ok though

[@onetime242]

The motor and bottle are a deal breaker. Bosch or Pinion MGU and belt drive would be great, and get rid of the bottle. I wear a pack and would never use that bottle. It’s too much weight up high and in front.

[@allmtbnzscottbrownhill2896]

I like the agressive styling but thats about where i lose interest. #1 the water bottle is dumb! its not where you want weight and you have to buy the water bottle seperate! The bike also looks terrible with out it. #2 It still has a cassette get a pinion gearbox on that thing.

[@jerryofthebikes]

shimano should start making shorter crank arms..

[@paulansermoz6302]

Can you grab an orange patriot to test please

[@balbalbalfer9229]

£6999 ish, i checked the website💀

[@spawnrcandbikes]

its $4500 usd on usa site