Emulators Will Be Illegal In 2025 RETRO GAMING TAKES A HIT!

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[@sharonfox]

What is the source for this? Emulation itself is never illegal. What's illegal is making copies of software you don't have permission to do so. This typically means circumventing copy protection such as dumping key files from systems in order to emulate the core system and distributing them. Emulation itself is perfectly legal. Even copying your own discs/carts is legal. Dumping your own bootfiles/etc from your hardware is also legal. The issue is when you share those because then people without a purchased copy of hardware and software can freely use it. Funfact, while companies can want to care what you do with your hardware, they cannot come after you for making backups or emulating your own purchased content. They CAN go after others that teach you how to do it which is what Nintendo likes to do and is scummy, but Nintendo is also not technically doing anything wrong in doing that. But if you were to figure it all out on your own and do it to your own stuff, there's no harm in that. Nintendo can freely restrict your access to their online services if you're using hacked/emulated content and you can easily get your device banned from their services if you do homebrew on actual hardware for example, but that's their right to have those restrictions and to do that. This is doomsaying. Emulation can never be made illegal because even the big companies do it. PS3 originally had old-gen hardware in it but then they started emulating the hardware in order to have backwards compatibility to save on costs. Modern consoles being able to emulate older stuff. Upcoming consoles that will be able to emulate older consoles. Nintendo's own emulation on the eshop for older consoles like N64, GameBoy, SNES, NES, etc. You might say "They'll be allowed to emulate their own properties" but that means any law that is created for this must account for that and be extremely explicit and specific otherwise there's a solid chance for loopholes and we know how tech-savvy the US congress is to be able to handle that. You mention "distributors of emulators", but the emulators themselves are perfectly ok but giving out the ISOs and rom dumps is the illegal part of emulation. Downloading the bootfiles and encryption keys is the illegal part. This is emulation 102 when you move beyond just being a pirate. You also made a comparison to movies but what you fail to realize is making movies available is as easy as recording these old movies into digital format and suddenly they are freely accessible on nearly any device. Games do not work like this. You cannot just press a button and make old hardware turn digital like you can with converting movies in the most basic way. Obviously proper preservation of movies has more involved, but at its core it's digitizing the old films. Games require a lot of hardware to function and that hardware has to either be manufactured still or turned into software format. That is a significant cost on console manufacturers to pull off even if it seemingly makes sense for them to do so. Even if they'd turn a profit. There may be other reasons they don't do it and not just "we hate our customers". I was always into emulation and even still am to a smaller extent these days but you're making the wrong claims and comparisons here.

[@DamianYerrick]

My speculation, assuming the law of USA (KZbin's home country): A minor-looking "technical amendment" to 17 USC 117 or 1201 might lead to one's own backups becoming illegal. I can't say anything for sure without an HR or S number of the bill.

[@sharonfox]

​@@DamianYerrick So, even if we assume the worst and that becomes the law of the land, you have to ask yourself how would anyone get in trouble for it? Unlike piracy which leaves logs and can be tracked, no one ever has to know you make backups unless you broadcast the fact you do to the world. It's safe to assume peoples' houses aren't going to be randomly raided to look for personal backups. Now, purchasing a tool to perform the backups might be good probable cause in the worst-case scenario, but that's still worst-case and it's not guaranteed to flag you. I grabbed myself a mig switch a few months ago. My purchase might have been a red flag in the worst-case scenario, but I don't share any of that content so beyond that single instance (and I suppose this comment saying I did purchase it, which, in that scenario you'd not want to do that to not draw attention to yourself), there is nothing that would bring me any cause for concern in making my own backups. Buying SD cards isn't illegal or suspicious nor is buying mass storage. I'd love a world where personal backups are not only allowed but recommended/encouraged because we have these stupid online stores that once they go down, content YOU PAID FOR is lost forever. The ability to save them (even if encrypted and only usable with a single device) is far better than having no means of access at all forever. Ideally you could use another device in case yours breaks (time is a cruel mistress) but that'd be a decent compromise to start with.

[@crystalwater505]

There is no source. They want clicks and views. What's the best way to do that? Make up controversy.

[@SethPortland]

Literally skipping through the video to find out what he's talking about. Glad I looked in the comments before I got too deep. No source, no laws, and not even a hint of even wtf he's talking about. Fake clickbait garbage. Besides, distributing Roms has always been illegal because they're copyrighted, so I don't know what he's talking about in that regard. No change as far as emulation goes.

[@LuisPerez-5]

Nintendo is fighting this. Sony and Microsoft don't really care. Also, what's your source? I haven't seen anywhere anybody say emulatora will become illegal in 2025.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

They all care. Microsoft is the least threatened because they have done the best job maintaining backwards and lateral compatibility. Sony very much cares they just don't see much of a need to be active right now. Since Nintendo is being so active. If Nintendo let up Sony would step in.

[@LuisPerez-5]

@AxiomofDiscord Then they don't care. If they don't do anything to stop it like Nintendo is doing they don't care

[@AxiomofDiscord]

@@LuisPerez-5 That is obviously false. What are you doing to stop cancer?

[@LuisPerez-5]

@AxiomofDiscord It's not. Moral support, good vibes.

[@corataylor2205]

@@AxiomofDiscord "Microsoft is the least threatened because they have done the best job maintaining backwards and lateral compatibility." How do you think they achieved that? emulation, lmao.

[@somedude8791]

I'm torn on this. If a game is abandoned and you can't download it legally that should be fair game. On the other hand if the owner of the software has it available for download and charges money for said download then it should be illegal to download it without paying them.

[@RanmaBushiko]

It's not illegal, ironically. Nintendo just has been claiming that. Unfortunately, Emulation and Piracy for CURRENT consoles, aren't that far off from each other, until you get to the one caveat: If you can rip your game copies off your hardware as backups. That first for sale PS1 emulator (I want to say BLEEM!) literally put it through that reverse engineering a video game console is legal. If you make a copy of the game, you're allowed to keep it as a backup, no matter what they say or claim, because of a USA law. Edit: Or did I apparently miss something major?

[@IFixShet]

@RanmaBushiko yeah so as of like 2 weeks ago the Historical Society of gaming or whatever they are decided to challenge Nintendo on emulation rights and lost horribly. Unfortunately this put a series of things into play which have been signed off on and will go active on January 1st. The idea was preservation of games kind of like we do with movies and music to create a Historical Library of games that would be available to the public. Nintendo absolutely put their foot down and squashed this entire idea and not only that they implemented a game plan to get rid of all emulation gaming outside of what they are going to offer the general public or consumers. This ended up saying a court hearing and Nintendo Corporation eviscerated the historical gaming committee. So now that this has taken place they are going to be going after all emulation Developers and unfortunately they have got the FBI on board to assist with all of the major takedowns. It has already started 😭 they have said absolutely nothing to the consumers about what their game plans are in the future for making these games available to us right now it seems like they only care about one thing stopping distribution of emulators and going after sites uploading ROMs and ISO files and CSO files. Nintendo is on an absolute Warpath right now

[@IFixShet]

@@RanmaBushiko And to clarify yes you can have a copy of your own game if you own it but you cannot play it on emulated software anymore unless the emulator came directly from Nintendo

[@IFixShet]

@@RanmaBushiko it's crazy how they went after all the loopholes that people have been rolling with this entire time obviously they've had years to figure out how they were going to implement their plans

[@MegabyteRedSector]

@@IFixShet where is that stated? I mean Nintendo would LOVE to see it, but... the emulators themselves they can not touch UNLESS they can prove the code involved was theirs and NOT reverse engineered. This is why most emulators require you to supply the bios file.

[@IFixShet]

​@MegabyteRedSector honestly man this has been going on for a while however Nintendo finally took necessary steps legally to start cutting the head off the Dragon very recently but this guy I think does a much better job explaining things. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYWxhqipgrh-nc0si=nGPYTjNED2sK0uvk

[@stevenfinch4238]

I wouldn't pay monthly fees for this... I would be interested in the legal sale of ROMs but I'm 100% sick of the subscription model. Also, you have not provided a source for your claim... This is basically a speculative opinion video.

[@joshkelly4682]

I have all the emulators and roms i need and don't care about what is legal or illegal

[@daze507]

Same.

[@AphonsoLuis]

Yes yes, that is totally true. In fact, your sources spoke to me first and assured me that in 2025 we will only be able to watch 1 video per day on KZbin and that we will have to buy a new specific device to be able to watch the videos, because all other devices will be prohibited from accessing the videos. from youtube.

[@lae212]

One word for nintendo doing this, greed. Nothing else but greed. Nobody really care about legal or illegal emulation. Many people have them already(on their phone,pc or other seperate emulator device) and will continue to keep the community alive.

[@user-uo8ny1kj4c]

idc if this is true, emulation will never die. like weed

[@cylotron]

What is your source for this? I am not finding any official sources about emulators getting banned in 2025.

[@shortfuse3776]

was about to say that too

[@HaakonAnderson]

I liked and subbed, the community will never let emulation die

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

It’s a shame that they don’t become copyright free after a few decades!

[@IFixShet]

I agree man

[@shanedesir-parkes]

Technically after a game is released for a set time by the publisher and developers they legally cannot dispute the games till they make another contract for distributing said game IE re-releases and remakes. So.... Your free to emulate after said period cos you can't actually buy it after then

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

@ what about arcade games?

[@shanedesir-parkes]

@@Yoshi-Mooch think of it this way. Everything sold eventually stops being manufactured. For games back then it was between 1-3yrs. As soon as the contract is over between the developers and the publishers then they stop making it. Then on wether arcade or even nowadays games your free to emulate it. And yes that is a big reason why Yuzu got taken down and let's be honest rhujix too after the fact

[@joeketchumm]

Retro gamer for life. I'll ALWAYS be emulating the retro consoles on my PC till the wheels fall off lol

[@jeffzebert4982]

Would the U.S. Congress even *BE* in session on January 1, 2025? In order for emulators to be officially outlawed on that date, BOTH Houses of Congress would need to pass the required bill for the ban; and then the U.S. President would need to sign that bill into law. The reason I seriously doubt that the U.S. Congress will be in session that day is that January 1 is a holiday (New Year's Day). In order for console emulators to be banned on precisely January 1, 2025, the following things needs to happen, all on the same day: 1. The House of origin (i.e., the Senate or the House of Representatives) would need to put the bill to a vote. 2. The majority of the House of origin would need at least a 60% majority (to prevent a filibuster) of "Yea" votes to pass this bill to the other House. 3. The other House would also need a 60% or more majority of "Yea" votes to then pass the bill on to the U.S. President. 4. The U.S. President then needs to sign this bill into law (federal legislation that gets signed into law goes into effect immediately, unlike most state legislations).

[@HamguyBacon]

the house and congress were on holiday when only 3 people voted to pass the bill to create the federal reserve. 2 democrats and 1 republican.

[@DamianYerrick]

Many US statutes have an effective date written into the bill, such that they take effect days, weeks, or months after the President signs them into law. Some provisions of the DMCA were this way.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Sell me controllers for emulators. Sell me new games for old systems, I buy both from 3rd parties. Why does not the first party get involved. Sell me an FPGA console that can be sold at big 3 scale.

[@jonwwillis]

Sony loss a legal battle with Bleem, so what court cases are there that an emulator loss? The switch emulators didn't go to court.

[@DragunBreath]

Emulators aren't going anywhere.

[@hyperturbofox17]

Same

[@Arwing-t3r]

There's other countries with their own laws and American law doesn't count for much there. The internet connects everyone online. Hence emulation won't die just like that. Every country would have to outlaw and destroy emulation for that to happen. ☝☝☝☝

[@michaeldemers2716]

The only way you are going to Emulate N64 games is through WiiU before they fired their developer. Friggin dummies.

[@CraigMcMahon-s7x]

Middle aged man yells at cloud.

[@IFixShet]

@CraigMcMahon-s7x stop looking at me cloud!

[@DroneOn]

You don't know dan but I have my own stuff baked up in such a way I can bundle shit in groups. I have all the bios's and rom versions on a network. Im somewhat insulated.

[@battano]

Got my emu's, roms, pks, and the like all saved to BRDXL's and am buying up every cheap Wii $20 and under in my area for board clip downs for custom handhelds ;-)

[@DreddMeister]

I do want emulation. I don't want to buy dedicated hardware for 20 year old+ games that can run on a potato. I would much rather play it on my modern devices and peripherals but each to their own. I also don't want to be tied to subscriptions to play my games. If you want that service, that's great. I just want to buy the games that I want and be left alone. Take my money nintendo, microsoft, sega and all you other software and movie publishers, then leave me alone! I am not beholden to you.

[@michaeldemers2716]

Bring back the SEGA CHANNEL through SCTV. Oh yeah nobody is wired that way anymore.

[@grandmasterthefuriousfive7487]

USA is not the whole world 😂, and emulatuon software is not illegal, anyways let's say it was illegal in the USA, theres still rest of the world who dont care, we will keep on going and keep our sites up ❤

[@Padawan_8000]

The big three of consoles should make an update console for retro gaming. Hdmi port, bt controllers, wifi so you can buy digital copies or play off of a physical disk or cartridge.

[@IFixShet]

@Padawan_8000 I will 100% agree with this. From a business standpoint it would be the most logical way to move forward while still making money and not reprimanding Gamers and slapping them on the wrist for trying to enjoy stuff that that was once supplied by these companies. It seems extremely unfair

[@hellboundTX333]

Or just sell mini consoles loaded with the complete libraries. They'd sell out instantly.

[@haydenblackhawk687]

F'em when it comes to the 8-bit/16-bit era.. you're too late Nintendo/SEGA. Already own your games. ALL OF THEM! NES, SNES, Master System, Genesis, SEGA CD, 32X. NA, EU, JP.. ALL. OF. IT. and all it takes up is about 20 gigs.

[@lordleonn1712]

Hey Buddy is that controller good? I'm trying get the same one just don't know if this good or not

[@IFixShet]

Are you referencing the Nintendo 64 wireless Controller?

[@IFixShet]

Are the controller in my channel art holding my phone?

[@lordleonn1712]

@@IFixShet yeah that one is good cause I'm of getting sameone

[@grandmasterthefuriousfive7487]

Emulation will never be illegal its used by huge company's to program various things And Nintendo, sony etc... Use emulators themselves lol how do you think its possible to play old games on switch, ps, etc... Its running under emulators

[@waynesvideos9]

👍👍

[@ChubbsMcgoo]

(looks at the pi) no its not.

[@RRP6632]

They finally realized that most of gamer now playing retro games bcs most of current games is actually shite 😂 So they wanted to take a profit from this retro games, either by remaking, remastering, or even worse, emulating it with a software that they already banned.

[@michaeldemers2716]

I think you are so wrong about Nintendo. They made the Wii as a Virtual Emulation machine. Think about it. They just need to cover their ip's. WiiU even has vWii. Nintendon't!!!!! Yes it does!!!!!!!

[@IFixShet]

@@michaeldemers2716 that's cool

[@Popskyy]

Not listening to someone who has an AI intro

[@IFixShet]

Ok

[@NinjaxWizardGoVroom]

Source? *Trust me bro*

[@IFixShet]

@@NinjaxWizardGoVroom ok

[@NinjaxWizardGoVroom]

Please if you have a sources or anything give it to me no disrespect friend. I honestly care about emulation and preservation of gaming history. If you have anything let me know because these companies if given the chance they would shut it all down sadly they do not care about history

[@kennethnicklowicz6844]

Always been grey area no different then copying a disc

[@DoraemonFan-ww3jm]

Bummer.

[@MichaelPoag-vt5ss]

lulz