END GAME DETAILS!! (Elysian Pilgrim)

[@haomingli6175]

the noir is just such a perplexing idea, the forced 400 dollar cable buy.

[@zblus]

Ya like wtf

[@blorg8206]

It's total snake oil. Elysian seem to produce good stuff but their relationship with Effect puts me off them. It's sort of just confirming that most of the price is nonsense like this.

[@haomingli6175]

@@blorg8206 actually lots of audiophiles and even manufacturers in asia believe that cables matter for sound quality.

[@radiofreealbemuth]

I feel like paying 400 for cables is like paying 400 for shoe laces

[@ArtinaReise]

Other than the cable upgrade, Noir has a 4 way crossover setup running on different drivers compared to the vanilla Pilgrim.

[@shirokun7965]

It's crazy. after under $100 and $250 war, this time is pseduo-endgame iem war. It's crazy how fast it is

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

Thought the Noir sounded interesting for the warmer tuning but double the price for what he described as essentially a better cable and carrying case... Sheesh.

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

Exactly! 😢

[@Thiccolo]

just eq the pilgrim and boom got a noir for free

[@walkerstandard2373]

@@Thiccolo glad you're happy

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

@@Thiccolo You're definitely not wrong but that's not the point. People are complaining about Dusk's DSP cable but at least it does something. We're talking about a different analog cable and case doubling the price. Oh, and the color black, I guess. Maybe that's an expensive black finish that darkens the sound.

[@catdampawshaker2735]

Tbf the internals are also rearranged but at that point.... why????

[@Weareonenation303]

Nothing will convince me to spend more than 50 bucks on an IEM cable.

[@mark_midmark]

Especially when Xinhs and Tripowin exist

[@casanova9227]

yes your right maximum 50 70 bucks faak all that bu ll s hit high end cabels aint do s hit to sound

[@dleblanc343]

What about better sound quality?

[@mark_midmark]

@@dleblanc343 cables don't affect sound quality unless they are defective

[@saucyg6371]

Id only do it for kilobuck iems, but at that price they should already have an amazing fuckin cable. Never paid more than $60 for a cable and i think it was the Kinera Leyding

[@iKaGe01]

Wow so different sound signature but you're forced to pay 400 more because it has a different cable?

[@ArtinaReise]

Implementation on the Pilgrim Noir is different, running a 4 drivers / 4 way crossover setup (vanilla Pilgrim is 4 drivers 3 way), I can also confirm that the Noir has a different type of mid and high BA drivers inside.

[@iKaGe01]

@@ArtinaReise Then maybe offer the Noir with the cable the original comes with? It made it sound like the cable and carry case made the bulk of the extra cost

[@ArtinaReise]

​@@iKaGe01or you can get the Noir and sell the EA cable. 🤭

[@or1on89]

@@iKaGe01pretty much it…

[@zomz2165]

Can u compare the pilgrim with the thieaudio oracle pls!! Which one is better? I love vocal, my library is pop ans ballad

[@KeMingYu-qd6sr]

Hi Timmy, interested in this but just wanted to understand how this compares with Monarch Mk2?

[@BassDad8]

This is pretty cool, but my immediate iem budget is spoken for 1. DaVinci 2. Relentless 3. Freya 2.0 That said, it is very cool that Elysian came out with an approachably priced iem. I have been lusting from afar for the Annihilator (whichever version, IDC). Great review and nice interview. I know cables can matter, but I haven't fully bought in on spending more than $50 on one yet...☮

[@_-Z-]

The first 2 are high on my list as well. Still thinking on the Freya 2.0. The QoA Aviation is another possibility. 🤔 I seem to be a sucker for Kinera and its sub brands. Tangzu and Dunu are tied as my other company favorites, though because they always seem to be on point with their presentation and accessory package (in addition to consistent quality products in my experience).

[@BassDad8]

@@_-Z- not to steal any of Timmy’s thunder, but starting this coming week, I will have 4 sets from house Kinera that I will review. They’re on loan, but the Freya 2 and Aviation are in there. Going to be a fun couple of weeks!

[@kazumasatou6124]

Heard it from a friend, can confirm its really good.

[@THE_FALL3N]

What you would you pick between the dunu sa6mk2 and the pilgrim?

[@paolocermelli8108]

Hello, I've just received the Pilgrims and I love them! Especially for their clarity of sound. Do you think the Dita Project M could be similar?! There are other superclear sound iem you can suggest?! Thanks!

[@H-4-D3423]

My small apartment, has a small lounging area and tiny open kitchen area all in one. The whole are is like 17-18 feet wall to wall from one end to the other. I literally am sat 5.5 feet from the fridge freezer turning on/off. I doubt the part-open design is something that would work. I prefer traditional IEM isolation. I also think they should do a set under the GAEA, using tradition resin painted shell with coloured cable. So a set like DIVA/GAEA, but for $899...

[@ksai7290]

Hi, Timmy, thanks for your video. I got a tanchjim origin after watching your video and I LOVE it and its signature. Now I wish to step up a bit and get an upgrade from it. Has been thinking about this Elysian Pilgrim and moondrop Dusk. Can you give me some opinion on it? Thanks inadvance.

[@cxmxc]

Timmy this or the ie600 in terms of detail and resolution?

[@AndrewYouTubehandle]

Got the Pilgrim. Good for classical. Not good for enjoyable depth and not good for cold weather where the metal is cold.

[@bezchlebalukas1779]

Thansk for the video. Can someone compare Mega5est with Elysian Pilgrim with details? Thanks for answer. (or with dusk 2)

[@DominikPhilipp1]

You forgot to compare with sa6 mk2 and Aful performer 8

[@dalejail]

hi @gizaudio is there an iem you can reccomend with the neutral/naturalness of the studio4 and with the transient/dynamics and imaging of the pilgrim? for studio mix/mastering use mostly but also enjoyment

[@cameleon303]

Gah! Now I want to buy it just because of the great explanation behind the name

[@yorxxx]

How do you compare this Pilgrim Elysian with the Tanchjim Origin?

[@koikoiee]

how does it compare to the xenns top?

[@kenjikodai]

@RaduOprina With that mindset every other iem is trash before B2D and Variations then

[@blackcum2275]

​@RaduOprinaah yes, the BL03 is the best IEM ever made then

[@blackcum2275]

​@RaduOprinait's been a month, Pilgrim is still pretty relevant in the community from what I see.

[@jesustsa1]

Anyone with the variations can compare and contrast? I wanted more mid bass and resolution

[@GawainDragon]

Now i just need to know if it's worth over the Davinci

[@marksr12]

Great review Timmy! How bout Pilgrim vs Davinci!

[@H-4-D3423]

Has to happen Timmy...

[@haomingli6175]

he won't compare anything with his own collab.

[@H-4-D3423]

@@haomingli6175 Hmmm, yeah I guess that's only fair. All the others will review in the similar price bracket tho Sir huh, thanks

[@goodgos1844]

​@@haomingli6175Porque no le combiene claro esta

[@thomasdanny7717]

Skip. I already have a Studio4 for a relaxed sound and a U4S for an energetic sound. Damn, this rabbit hole is really dangerous for finances. Every time there is a new product that is better (they say) than the previous product, it makes me feel like I am facing Pandora's Box. Buy or die curious.

[@umaralfaruq1482]

Hahahaha, You're right

[@jeo7958]

Hi are you using stock or third party eartips for studio4? Am looking for options

[@thomasdanny7717]

@@jeo7958 stock tips

[@freihy]

I tried both of these, the Noir is a hard pass. Seriously considering the Pilgrim original now as a great opposite to my Oracle MK1. At first I was shocked by how.. different it sounded to my daily driver Oracle. It was sharp, decisive, and technically ridiculous. I seriously thought it costed 750 dollars and was dumbfounded when I reasoned it was half what I expected.

[@rajithfernando6200]

Was waiting for Timmy to review this cuz he's the biggest fan of Elysian...and wanted to see if this goes as hard as Diva and Annihilator for the price

[@pedroaranha2355]

How does the pilgrim compare to studio4 and RSV for vocals? Which one is your favorite of the 3?

[@nhan_nguyen03]

I know it is a bit old, but how is its technicality compared to moondrop variation?

[@kenjikodai]

The Variations sound a bit more smooth and not as sharp and incisive compared to Pilgrim, they're both great but I'd go for the sparky scalpel cleanliness than the heady treble of Variations

[@jonathansmith4737]

"for $400 more you get a custom cable and dont forget the fancy carrying case which you need, trust me."

[@tanjacky5780]

Pilgrim: Great value Pilgrim Noir: for those Stupid Rich 😂

[@MunyaMunya-n5x]

which is better if this comparing to Studio 4

[@poldomalese]

Seems a little bulky to me. Anyone knows how much does it weight?

[@jamesberryman9893]

It looks like a nice set, but I'm holding for the DaVinci!

[@lcwpg]

waiting for davinci too before i decide too many good sets life is too difficult lol

[@jamesberryman9893]

@@lcwpg 💯

[@feneio]

Can you do a review on the FiiO/JadeAudio JH5

[@Angel-AbC9]

Hi, so sennheiser i600 or elysian pilgrim ? pick one if had to

[@enzosoccerusa]

Should I buy B3 or B3 dusk or TANCHJIM ORIGIN

[@Erdein]

what eartips u used timmy?

[@rafdes]

From what I've been reading and hearing, it sounds like people are describing something similar to the Mest Mkii, but you tell me if there any similarities at all (probably not lol).

[@mistaBorg]

after seeing the moondrop phone for the same price it kinda puts things into perspective and I can't say it makes sense to call this iem affordable, also mmcx is an odd choice...

[@blackcum2275]

It's not even MMCX it's Pentaconn Ear, Elysian uses that connector on every single IEM they make.

[@HKS-le3hi]

Premium mmcx. the pentaconn mmcx 😄

[@vianhoho19]

that's because you're comparing apples to oranges. It's affordable within the Elysian spectrum. When you consider the Gaea and Diva were around the $1500 mark and the Annihilator at $3000+, the Pilgrim at $400 seems affordable in comparison.

[@neogenesus]

Who the F comparing a phone to an IEM?

[@mistaBorg]

@@neogenesus I am not comparing the two, i just mentioned it brought me a different perspective on how expensive these iems are...

[@studynowPH]

Hi Timmy, what is your better all rounder, Dusk or the Pilgrim?

[@Gizaudio]

Dusk is more of an all-rounder. Especially the DSP default

[@goodgos1844]

Why you limatate the comparation whit the 500dolar iems? Probably is even better tha the dunu davinchi rigth?

[@jeffreylowy3180]

400 for a nicer cable and case is a little crazy

[@shaunbrady15]

Got mine on the way!

[@maskudo]

Finally an Elysian that I can (almost) afford.

[@vinayprasad4778]

What is the best IEM for gaming? Should I go for Truthear Crinacle blue, crinacle red, truthear hexa, or simgot ew200? Are they better than moondrop aria 2?

[@xadrian23]

That 400 for cable and case will not work.

[@iman3gb]

how does it compare to Moondrop Variations?

[@sylfraeaveniore2684]

Also waiting for the answer

[@rengone8831]

at this point, i'll believe that timmy is sponsored by elysian

[@wahyuriders]

Me too

[@vianhoho19]

what made you think that way? Like, what "gave that impression" for you?

[@Gizaudio]

I bought Annihilator and Diva with my own money. Full retail.

[@geraldsing5460]

@@Gizaudio but not this one

[@rengone8831]

@@vianhoho19 always hyping up elysian products it seems

[@justanotheraltaccount5644]

Happy with my hype 4😊

[@jay12345ist]

Imma keep it a stack, the footage from Canjam should’ve been a different video or cut out. I got more value out of just your impressions.

[@Mixail747]

I'm more interested in NOIR tuning, but not at that much of a markup!

[@realgrilledsushi]

Well for an end game iem at 400 bucks, that’s affordable though I wish it is lower like 200.

[@StarBuccaneers168]

Thanks. Any idea why Elysian didn't use 2 pin connector?

[@vianhoho19]

IIRC It's Lee's decision because Pentaconn for him is a much more robust and durable connector.

[@LeBeautiful]

If I feel like Scott pilgrim and hear end game details…then let’s get to work 🔥🔥🔥

[@RaphaelStarr]

Versus the world of iems.

[@supertree08]

This man is everywhere lol

[@MrBlackJava]

Damn why almost doubble the price on the Noir

[@jameslo1991]

If you owned the Pilgrim, remove the black filter on the tip and thank me later🌚

[@krayozmines]

Annihilator 2023 isnt as amazingly tuned as the old one. It has waaayy more bass. Still sounds amazing just not as well rounded for most genres anymore. Are you referring the og one in this video?

[@Gizaudio]

Referring to OG one

[@jyip1442]

Pilgrim vs SA6U vs Dabinki? 😈

[@paulosilva8200]

Forgetting the tuning . The drivers from the gaia are more expensive for sure and better. Just because we listen at normal volumes does not mean the iem is better

[@ElNINETEENTH]

Bro what are you saying exactly? GAEA much better ?

[@paulosilva8200]

@@ElNINETEENTH in driver quality. Yes. But you pay the price for it

[@ElNINETEENTH]

@@paulosilva8200 GAEA definitely better

[@KanyeWestFan69]

Eros S for 400? This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard - you can buy the cable separately for around 250! Seems like Effect Audio has more issues apart from its QC problems

[@bourjuva]

IOAUDIO VOLARE what u think about it and

[@theodorezurla496]

Annihilator 2021 vs Annihilator 2023!!! Cmon Timmy break it down!! 😊 but yeah love the pilgrim for the price Elysian tuning is so special 👌✨

[@Helmond2017]

And now im more interested in the Apostle 😅.

[@0Roydashme]

Who's the detail king? Variations or Pilgrim? 🤔

[@Miserereion]

It’s a really good IEM, once you get rid of that rubbish Spinfit eartips.

[@Logan0324_]

What eartips would you recommend then?

[@ammarramadhan3575]

this or mega5est?

[@testertest9181]

You can get Noir OR get the standard and davinci 😂

[@SharinganNin]

Do the SWEEAR SR-11s

[@wellykuo4590]

I love Timmy ❤

[@TonkyTronicus]

I'm more of a Noir style guy, unfortunately for my wallet.

[@cadmiumpureland]

Wow, this review really annihilate everything. Including Timmy’s Davinci!

[@LyuboA]

so the stupid cable is the same price as the IEMs and you can't buy them without the cable lol 😂 that's just insane calling it a SCAM is putting it mildly

[@iisakei2369]

I remember what happened 3 years ago. Their tenacity is the root of their sound.

[@ItsJustChase]

OFC the noir is more expensive. 😑

[@Johnmoe_]

not 2-pin tho 😢

[@zyvixm]

Waiting for the lovely DHL tracking number!

[@sea-sann]

This IEM singlehandedly just killed the endgame IEM market LMAO. Slap on an eq and you can ride off into the sunset never to return again.

[@iScorpio1971]

I'm just waiting for the Davinci review 😂

[@Goodguycyraxx]

Idk about you but $400 is still not an Average price lol he said more affordable I thought maybe 200 max lol

[@howardroark3670]

As IEM's improve through time the price also becomes cheaper for higher and higher quality. In 5 or 6 years you'll be able to get something like the Pilgrim for $200 (add adjustments for inflation). So hang in there. I'm time you'll get your wish.

[@howardroark3670]

In time you'll get your wish.

[@graycardigan8749]

It looks like you're not familiar with IEM pricing. 400 is really closer to average.

[@vianhoho19]

Affordable relative to Elysian's previous models which are all $1000 or more

[@AverieS820]

Heard it... it's like a upgraded Hexa, but not really impressive for it's price IMO. For me it's technical performance was pretty average, haven't heard the dusk but I would put it around the blessing 3 level, which is great but not outstanding. Even compared to the cheaper Cadenza 4, it seemed to have more rolled-off treble. Overall quite disappointing for an Elysian IEM.

[@NelsonMichael]

What would be the better option for technical performance, at this price point?

[@blackcum2275]

How does it have "rolled off treble" this thing is bright af lol. Technicalities are closing with the Monarch MK3 to my ears with the Monarch sounding a bit better in timbre (probably due to having more mid bass and lower mids and a little more upper mids) but it's splitting hairs at that point. I certainly don't hear any missing notes on the Pilgrim that is on the Monarch.

[@samuelcalvinho523]

Mmcx? I'm out

[@Gizaudio]

It's pentaconn, not mmcx

[@trollfromcomments]

It's not even close with UM mest 2. If Anni is smidge better, than it's sad. $400-600 tribrids like DTE500/ Moonlight 2023/Xenns Up/Volare/mega5 give more details. Pilgrim is just ok for it's price.

[@Gustav0Silva]

👁👁

[@jjjj-ms1ln]

👁️ 👁️

[@heyking8583]

Pls tell me Dusk is still better

[@vianhoho19]

no. Unfortunately LOL

[@zblus]

Ew Dusk

[@icarusix8750]

i imagine it's not a huge difference one way or the other sonically, if you find that dusk is more comfortable for you vs pilgrim, that's going to be a bigger deciding factor imo

[@kenjikodai]

I just saw a Gaea up for 600, I'd buy it if the guy sold it for cash and was near me lol

[@RadoDani]

I’d prefer warmer tonality at $399 price point and with shiny shell. 😢

[@goodgos1844]

Studio4 is very bad

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

Take my money...

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

...and deposit it in a secure term deposit. 💵