End Scene - "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" Star Trek TOS

Edited for time

[@SniderFilm]

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[@Arvandor81]

"To expect sense from two mentalities with such extreme viewpoints is not logical." Preach it, Spock.

[@deathstrike]

It wasn't just the hate, Beale had chased his prisoner for thousands of years and in that time his world of Charon had fallen. Did he never get in contact with his world? If he did, did he wonder why he received no response? He should have been suspicious at that point and abandoned his pursuit and left for home. So it wasn't just about hate, it's all they had left and that hate is what destroyed his entire race.

[@DisgruntledPigumon]

It’s like Liberals hunting down Conservatives on social media.

[@coryburris8211]

@@DisgruntledPigumon or fascists hunting down non-fascists with actual guns

[@cast390]

It also doesn't make sense the rope the running actor was holding onto can be seen in the shot.

[@ensignmjs7058]

@@DisgruntledPigumon , and conservatives making laws against liberals based on feelings.

[@christopherthorkon3997]

The best lines are cut off here. At the very end. "All they have left is their hate." Uhura: "Do you think that's all they ever had sir?" Kirk: "No, but that's all they have left."

[@ErikJ05]

Goes to show that the ones who carry hate with them, ultimately have nothing.

[@IcarusReborn]

@@ErikJ05 Very true!

[@marcbernstein383]

I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hate so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain. - James Baldwin

[@ErikJ05]

@@marcbernstein383 Fair point, that’s actually worse than nothing.

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

@@ErikJ05 That kind of hate destroys from the inside out. This is a lesson to all who entertain this kind of path.

[@huntstoddard9322]

The way Kirk tells Beale that "the chase is finished" perfectly expresses the futility of trying to reason with those who irrationally hate. Say what you will about Shatner, he simply WAS Capt. Kirk in TOS. A singularly brilliant performance.

[@TheSorrel]

Yes, he's a great actor. And while its not hard for me to believe that he was an incredible diva and totally hard to work with, he seems to have been completely committed to the cause of this show.

[@hubbsllc]

I forget who said it but I read someone say that what Shatner was, was *fiercely protective of his acting*. Maybe not a team player, okay - but he doesn't deserve a lot of crap about his acting. Kirk needed to be a pretty dynamic character to "sell" the show and 1960s network TV tended to focus on one protagonist - Shatner was of that school and he took Spock's popularity as a threat to his prominence in the show. Looking back, consider that Shatner starred in, what, *four* network TV series (managing just two in your lifetime makes you an A-lister), played a popular recurring character in a fifth, starred in six feature films (directing one) and co-starred in a seventh, not to mention countless guest TV and film appearances...with a career like that going back to the mid-1950s, who wants to quibble about a somewhat stylized acting method? And admit it, there were times when the man acted (not just hammed, mind you) his ass off. Get through the eulogy scene in STII:TWoK and tell me your stomach doesn't tie in a knot.

[@TheSorrel]

@@hubbsllc Most people just seem to think that an overly dramatic or "cheesy" way of acting is "bad". But thats not true at all. Of course, as an actor, you can't cheese your way through any type of movie or Show, but Shatner completely comprehended what type of show OG Star Trek was and that it needes the occasional ham. It was a show with an extremely dramatic music score, that would shove shocking imagery right in the viewers face. It needed that intencity that might have been misplaced in a show like TNG. And he seemed to have understood that just from reading the script. What a great instinct.

[@hubbsllc]

@@TheSorrel You make some really good points. Another way to think of it, I guess, is that one valid goal of acting is not to produce a character with 100% authentically real behavior 100% of the time, but rather to generate a performance meant to excite and engage the audience - enough so that they'll come back for more. In one of his books he talks about being in a stage play (1950s, I guess) and he talked about how the audience was just sort of...there. Very passive. But one day he decided to amp it up a bit so a line like "I'd love some coffee" became "I'd...LOVE some coffee." and he noticed people in the audience seemed to sit up a little straighter and were paying closer attention. So that kind of acting goal I mentioned seems to basically be the Shatner school and he brought that to TREK. He has also said many times that the speech inflection for which he became so well-known was in part just him trying to remember his lines, since ST production was carried out at a pretty rapid and harried clip in those days.

[@TheSorrel]

@@hubbsllc Exactly. Authenticity is important, but it doesn't do anything if its boring. And in a TV show where the camera zooms in on a difigured face while the music score goes as intense as it gets, you have to ham it up a bit. But Shatner always knew when to be genuine, and when to put on the cheese.

[@BELCAN57]

Gorshin's straight acting is vastly underrated.

[@yal100]

Seriously is! Some of those scenes were scintillating and well delivered. Reminded me of Ian McDiarmid in Return of the Jedi

[@davidkirby1138]

Frank Gorshin . . . That look in the eyes is what gave the Riddler the unique twist. He'dv done sa great JkR

[@andytay5507]

Frank was unparalleled in this role.

[@andrewofmo1091]

I highly recommend the Buck Rogers episode, Plot to Kill a City. Gorshin plays a mastermind, and is just incredible.

[@williamhaynes4800]

Check him out in the movie METEOR MAN.

[@TheSaneHatter]

"Let go of your hate!" The one message that SW and Trek can agree on.

[@kw7807]

Huh?! SW?

[@solvapydoom8077]

@@kw7807 Star Wars, I assume.

[@faithlifeworshipcenter460]

@@solvapydoom8077 Yes, Luke says it to Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi. "I feel the conflict within you, let go of your hate."

[@chrismc410]

@@faithlifeworshipcenter460 it is not logical but often true as Leonard Nimoy would say

[@themoviereviewwarriors939]

Not if your a sith lord

[@perdomot]

This episode is needed today more than ever before. ST TOS was so far ahead of its time.

[@testy462]

why do you think that? Racism is literally, by every measurable concept, at an all time low. When this was being shot you literally could not drink out of the same water fountain or go to college. I'd say we made some pretty big strides, and TOS helped us make them.

[@perdomot]

@@testy462 I think you misunderstood my comment because I agree with you. I meant they were ahead of their time because they were showing the foolishness of hatred and racism at a time where people were more accepting of it.

[@CrumCringle]

@@perdomot Civil rights and racism was a huge discussion in the 60s after all, I think it was with the times, but many people were not.

[@OGSontar]

Good comments in this sub-thread, yet here we are again. Masses of people, consumed with hate and lies, choosing violence and deceit over reason and discussion. 'Only' 5 dead as of this posting, but the 20th - the day Joe Biden will be sworn in - is next week, and the chatter of bloodshed is all over the place. If there actually is a God, (and I tend to doubt it) then God help us all. May the world forgive us for the next 9 days and what they might bring.

[@CrumCringle]

@@OGSontar I'm reminded that humanity went through a nuclear eugenics war before they became the Starfleet we know and love. Granted, they had the help of aliens.

[@huntstoddard9322]

People go bananas over City on the Edge of Forever, but THIS was probably my fav TOS episode. Timeless so long as self perpetuating hate remains with us.

[@DrZacksCafe]

@Seth Thomas Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[@Jeng4280]

I’ve honestly forgotten about this episode. I need to rewatch it as I haven’t seen it in a long time.

[@DennisMoore664]

Too many great episodes for me to have a favorite but this is one of the best. Also at the top of my list is Balance of Terror - the first time we see a Romulan (and Spock's dad - ish). I enjoyed the tension of an The Enemy Below or Das Boot style of story, but also the examination of the racism towards Spock from the young helmsman Stiles (who had lost family in the Romulan/Federation war) after the revelation of the similar appearance between Spock and the Romulans. Another reminder that at the root of racism, regardless of whether it's intra- or inter-species, is hate and fear. And violence seems to be a reliable way to trigger some people's racism.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@DrZacksCafe Our chief weapon is fear, fear and surprise-- our TWO weapons are fear, surprise.....

[@ncisfan78]

My dad argues with anyone on city of the edge of forever being the best episode. He could watch it on a loop for 24 hrs straight. My personal fav is Doomsday machine. The Moby Dick inflections are great. Let that be your last battlefield is actually in my top 5 of favorite epis. Its message is so strong and it is when we see Kirk threaten to destroy the Enterprise. It is very underrated, I think since it is in the weakest season of TOS

[@AngryNotSoOldHippy]

"You must stop hating!" "You're an idealistic dreamer." -- Wow.

[@MaskedMan66]

And that from Lokai! Bele considered *him* an idealistic dreamer!

[@jacobjones5269]

I always kinda chuckled for some reason at that line… Standing on the bridge of a Starship?.. Obviously Kirk was a doer, not a dreamer..

[@brucedavis3816]

Describes me perfectly!!!

[@CaptainCanuck63]

This video left out what I THOUGHT was the BEST line by Kirk, near the end of the episode: Shortly after Beal flees the bridge, Lt. Uhura asks Kirk if she should alert security. Kirk thinks for a second, then slowly and slightly shakes his head with what seems like genuine sadness......and then responds, "No, lieutenant. Where can they run?" For some reason....this tiny scene resonated the most with me.

[@ErikJ05]

Nothing left to run from. Nothing left to run to. What a sad existence.

[@andykeen6769]

This episode is more applicable to today than I ever imagined it would be

[@DennisMoore664]

That's Trek for you.

[@MaskedMan66]

Why today particularly? Things were far worse in the 60's.

[@gallery7596]

Yes, not just race and religion, but political viewpoint causes division and outright hatred now more so than at any time I've ever witnessed in my life. We could use some "Star Trek" values re-introduced into our society.

[@CrabTastingMan]

"Let go of your hate!" Says the criminal who just robbed your house and violated one of your children and murdered her. How would you let go of hate then? To not go after that vile criminal and get back what your remaining child should inherit, that is criminal negligence. "Let go of your hate!" is what criminals repeatedly tell people they exploited, generation after generation, every time the new generation thinks "forgetting" is "getting over it" is somehow wise or moral high ground. The result is a people exploited time after time again like cattle that won't fight back but forgive infinite number of times. If forgiveness solved everything why do we even have police, who are agents of violent retribution? Police should give criminals infinite chances and just not bother arresting anyone at all. If invading armies were forgiven then they should just be allowed to kill and take over anything they desire... why should they care what others think, the others will be forced to forgive them infinite number of times! Such is the naive idea of peace and forgiveness of people who do not understand anything.

[@evertonporter7887]

Unless things change, unless WE change, we will end up the same way!

[@jamietodd2560]

I wanted someone to tell one of them to look in a mirror. "Don't you understand? The enemy you hate is a reflection of you."

[@ErikJ05]

A little on the nose, but I like it.

[@archismanchakrabarty9752]

Oh wow! Wow!

[@MaskedMan66]

I'm sure they'd have had an answer for that, but it is still a good line.

[@kamdan2011]

You’d think that’s what the powerful message of the show could have ended with that would have lead to some kind of hope for a resolution between the two beings left of their species. Instead, they just carry on with their hatred and all of that talk from Kirk and company didn’t mean a goddamn thing.

[@kamdan2011]

@@ErikJ05, having a race that’s literally half white and black is subtle?

[@davebartosh5]

I'm so glad I watched and understood this at a young age. I have a tee-shirt that says 'All I need to know about life, I learned from Star Trek'.

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

Does that t-shirt also have a list of things like 'don't put all your officers in one shuttlecraft' and 'tribbles don't like klingons'?

[@davebartosh5]

@@SerialSnowmanKiller "Always bring a few red-shirts with you"...lol

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

@@davebartosh5 Yeah, my parents had a poster of that.

[@leofelco9343]

Where can i get that T-shirt? I remember being amazed as a child watching this episode and i couldn't believe that Commander Bele didn't want to stop chasing Loki after finding out his entire planet had killed themselves over hatred! I was horrified that something so tragic could happen! For me at the time it was truly revelational. By the way, i later found out that Frank Gorshin was nominated for an Emmy for his performance in this episode. WELL DESERVED!! He was an underated talent!! RIP!! I forever want to thank the creators of this philosophic masterpiece for lessons i learned watching this show in reruns on late night TV. I owe much of my moral education to them. TREKKER FOR LIFE!!!!

[@davebartosh5]

@@leofelco9343 Frank Gorshen was a heavy-hitter. Star Trek was, of course on the Air while the Batman series was, and Gorshin was GREAT as the riddler. I don't know if they still make the same tee-shirt.

[@jd190d]

Look at 00:31 and see Gorshin as he starts moving his fists and you can see his anger before he says anything. His body tenses and this is why his acting is so good. He fully embodies the emotions in so many ways.

[@MaskedMan66]

He was intense in nearly everything he did; as the Riddler, he usually channeled it to be funny, but there was one scene in the first episode of "Batman" where for a moment you could see a fury and a genuine hatred directed at Batman, and it was a little scary!

[@HerrEllsworth]

Nice visual blooper at 1:44. As Lou Antonio (Lokai) is running through the corridor, look at his left hand and you can see him holding a rope. That's the rope between him and the camera tracking him from the front. Lou had to keep it taunt so that the distance wouldn't vary and he would remain in focus for the camera.

[@gzuzsavz]

Neat point, thnx! The old days of film making..things like this rope to keep cam distance.. ruffling sheet metal to make thunder, so cool :)

[@clauderobotham6261]

Very observant. I never would have noticed.

[@2EKgn16]

I saw it! I thought they were holding a handbag😂😂. I kept thinking, what are they holding while running? Next scene neither had anything so I thought my eyes were tricking me....but they weren't lol

[@ihavegymnastics]

Haha, and until now I thought that he was just experiencing lactic-acid burn (poor cardio. conditioning).

[@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle]

I’d seen that and had no idea what it was. Thanks !

[@toddsmitts]

I have a theory about this species. Bele claimed to have been chasing Lokai for 50,000 years, which would make them, by far, the longest lived humanoid species in Trek. Whereas most humanoid societies are succeeded by new generations that might be more willing to question or challenge the beliefs of their predecessors, Cheron was inhabited for millennia by mostly the same people, with their views entrenched, and not as open to new ideas as young people are. In the end, those entrenched views led them to destroy one another.

[@Einnor084]

YUPPERZ!!! Da ancient Summerian, talkz about da Annunaki being amazed @ how fast humanity progressed, tho humanity wuz young, genetically manipulated 2 b mentally nferior, & genitically manipulated, 2 b short-lived.

[@thomassmith6232]

Interesting idea. I recall seeing a character of one race or the other on the bridge of a Starfleet vessel, though I can't remember which series it was. It may be that there were colonies in other star systems. It would seem that if so, either at least one colony was settled by only one race, or that the two eventually learned to coexist. One may hope.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

Well the problem was not with Commissioner Bele! The problem was with Loca and it’s entitlement Mandy species. Charles parallel what’s going on here with the 13% in the United States.

[@AnEnemySpy456]

That is one hell of a grim way to end an episode.

[@MM22966]

I wonder, though: these guys already had space capability, and presumably warp capability. Was that their only planet/colony? Wouldn't have minded these guys show up in other series, using variations on this tribal/ethnic/racial conflict bias.

[@sandal_thong8631]

There were plenty like that. One of the coldest was leaving the aliens to die at the end of "In the Wink of an Eye" after they found a cure.

[@pleasantvalleypickerca7681]

It's always puzzled me that Shatners detractors accuse him of "Over acting". Sure in some bad episodes he may have, just to make it interesting. However in scenes like this one he's great. He goes from a sad realization of what has happened to a passionate plea for them to "Give up" their hate and "Live with us". A great scene.

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

Racism is just a minor part of the true meaning of this episode. It is truly about irrational hate and how it consumes you and the need to let it go.

[@Shanethefilmmaker]

The problem isn't so much the irrational hate part. It's a matter of pride. Regardless of who's side you are on: Black, White, Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight, Cis, Trans, part of why none of us as a whole cannot let out hatred go is because of two factors of that pride. 1. One side is so certain that they are right, that they are willing to kill the other side rather than find common ground. 2. Even if they realize the pointlessness of the battle, to them now, it's a matter of who caves first. Case in point. If Bele and Lokai one day realize their hatred has no point anymore, they'll stop hating each other because of their racial differences and start hating each other on who should be the better man. Pride is more deadly than any hatred.

[@iamauser7125]

People after George Floyd died demonstrates that pretty well.

[@Alvan81]

@iamauser7125 You mean: "after George Floyd was Murdered. By a Public Employee who swore to enforce the Law & the Constitution, yet had 19 use-of-force complaints against him." *Fixed it for you.*

[@celebrim1]

I think that racism was the focus of this episode but I do think it is important to realize that racism it just a category of the larger problem. We have a bad tendency to try to categorize hatred into the group that is being hated and then say, hatred is bad because it is directed at that group. In some laws and cultures it's gotten to the point that there are official protected groups that it is illegal to hate. But the problem isn't the categories of hatred. It's hatred itself. Hatred isn't bad because of what evils have been done to a group in the past. Hatred is just bad.

[@Shanethefilmmaker]

@@celebrim1 exactly. While there are still things to Iron out regarding racism, sooner or later, we as a species will figure it out to the point where it will no longer happen. Not out of force, not out of ideals that seem good now, but end up looking more offensive to some people, but at a natural flow. Sooner or later, we will all wake up and realize "This is stupid." and omit it for good. However, getting rid of racism, like you said, is just getting rid of the category of a bigger problem. There is always gonna be a new reason to hate each other. Hell many sci-fi stories including this have had different ways of discrimination that had nothing to do with race. Such as Gattaca. Where rather than discriminate you on the color of your skin, your sexual orientation, your religion or what sex you identify as, their idea of future hatred and prejudice is judging you by your DNA. Whether or not you're natural born or artificially inseminated and what jobs you qualify for depending on that.

[@richardgregory3684]

Spoke's unemotional "None at all. Sir." Manages to convey utter condemnation far more than any emotion-laden speech ever would.

[@JnEricsonx]

That's because even his logic hits a BSOD when trying to figure out why they hate each other.

[@richardgregory3684]

@@JnEricsonx No, he fully understands why they hate each other, he just regards it as irrational and repugnant.

[@JnEricsonx]

@@richardgregory3684 I dunno about the understanding part. As he said to Scotty once, "I note it, without understanding it." The episode is a allegory of course for racism, and that's something I don't think Vulcans at their worst ever experienced.

[@JarrodFrates]

@@JnEricsonx Vulcans turned to logic after they nearly annihilated themselves in vicious wars from which it took them millennia to fully recover. Those who refused left to form other colonies, one of which became the Romulans. Vulcans are very aware of their history as it is part of their training in logic, suggesting that Spock understood what happened better than perhaps any non-Vulcan on the ship.

[@jacobjones5269]

That was always the power of the human side of Spock.. It rarely escaped, and when it did it hit hard..

[@MaskedMan66]

The brilliant performances of Gorshin and Antonio turned what could have been heavy-handed schlock into a tour de force!

[@pendrake40]

*_"Sadly, it is easier to cling to Hatred, than it is to embrace Love."_* --Mahatma Gandhi

[@marcbernstein383]

I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hate so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain. -- James Baldwin

[@archismanchakrabarty9752]

Very beautiful quote.

[@pendrake40]

@@marcbernstein383 ~ Another very good and appropriate quote in line with holding onto valueless Hatred. *:)* Though as a minor point-out, I think it was _"...once _*_'their'_*_ Hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with _*_'their'_*_ pain"_ for the second-half of the James Baldwin quote. (But I could be wrong.)

[@pendrake40]

@@archismanchakrabarty9752 ~ Thank you. *:)* This lesser-known Gandhi quote felt more appropriate than Gandhi's widely known quote of, *_"An 'Eye for an Eye' only ends up leaving the whole world blind."_*

[@ericmann770]

unfortunately, that grows truer with every passing day, in my opinion.

[@timwarheit4908]

I know "City on The Edge of Forever" gets all the glory and it's a great episode, but this ranks as my all time favorite TOS episode. Fifty years later and it's still so damn relevant....

[@pwnmeisterage]

Episodes with Big Name guest stars always get all the standout accolades, awards, and trophies. Maybe because they attract higher ratings from more viewers who normally wouldn't tune in. But more often because Big Egos with Big Money are making hype, marketing their favourite celebs. Those who watch all the other episodes (the ones with and the ones without Big Names), tend to be more critical of how episodes compare. An episode is good because the character was actually interesting, entertaining, relatable, provocative - not because some vapid celebrity played the character.

[@sandal_thong8631]

When I was in college we only had two TV stations and no Star Trek reruns I could find. I used my spending money over the weeks to buy my favorite episodes one at a time on VHS (very expensive), getting 26/79 plus I had taped "The Gamesters of Triskelion" previously off the TV. This was before they went to two per tape and long before the DVD package per season as well as the special edition effects enhancements. But the point is, I put my money on my favorite episodes (from those on the shelf). When I decided to "special order" one they didn't have, I found others had special-ordered other _Star Trek_ episodes they didn't bother to automatically restock on the shelf! I mean how hard would it have been to keep all 79 episodes when they were selling? Point is that "City on the Edge of Forever" is a worthy choice for best. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" wasn't on my top 27. I usually liked and got the space-battle ones, though I missed "The Deadly Years". "A Taste of Armageddon" was the last I got (they changed the box art so it doesn't match) though one of my top 10; maybe top 5. "By Any Other Name" was good in that it refers to previous episodes and things they did, though Kirk still gets beat until he seduces the woman and fights her commander. "I'm stimulating him!"

[@moboutmen]

Can't help but see the question mark on Gorshin.

[@TheBlueWaveReportDemcastUSA]

riddle me this kirk

[@gamera1962]

A final epilogue after the Enterprise leaves . Bele searches for Lokai for awhile and sees all the death and destruction. He enters a destroyed public park where he finds Lokai digging. He approaches and sees several fresh gaves already done. Lokai looks at Bele for a bit, hands him another shovel and goes back to work. Bele looks at the shovel for a moment then starts digging in silence also. Fade to black.

[@sandal_thong8631]

They added burning buildings instead of bodies in the street as they ran down the halls.

[@MrEab2010]

@@sandal_thong8631 it's 1960s G-rated tv.

[@DeusExDraconian]

"My ideology demands that I strip you are all your possessions, erase your identity and gaslight you into subservience." "No." "Your divisiveness and hate will kill us all!"

[@SFsc616171]

Man! If that don't sound like all those so-called "cancel culture" idjits! There is no way you can "strip my identity". All "my possessions" are not in anyway on any bank loan forms, so good luck there. To "gaslighting", I stand, smile, and say "No!". I was here before your ideas were born, and I shall remain. "You" cannot gaslight Vietnam Veterans. Hollywood has tried that since the beginning of that war!!

[@chrisf4268]

That running at the end was next level. 😂😂😂🤣

[@MrEab2010]

the running was so profound and pathetic. They both knew they were being ridiculous but its what they were programmed to do for 50 millennia. Beyond sad.

[@wrlord]

God, Gorshin's physicality... like a living comic book character...

[@MaskedMan66]

Funny you should put it that way....

[@Smeginator]

@@MaskedMan66 don’t speak in riddles

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Smeginator Oh, just one more! What's black and white and yet in color?

[@coryburris8211]

His stand-up comedy bit on the Ed Sullivan Show, on the same night as the Beatles' US debut, was also eerily prescient. Less than 3 years later, an actor was Governor of California.

[@MrBiggles53]

He was intense. You can feel what he’s feeling when he’s doubled over in anguish. The limp, agonizing tiredness while chasing Loki(?) through the the halls while seeing his planet’s carnage in his mind’s eye.

[@randallsherman1309]

Kirk: "Just the two of them...down there, alone...with their hate." Uhura: "Do you suppose that's all they ever really had, sir?" Kirk: "No... But it's all they have left."

[@harlankrissoff9966]

the last lines would have been awesome to include. Uhura says to kirk after both men have beamed down (amazing though that aliens would know how to use the transporter), do you suppose the hate is all they ever had. Kirk says NO but it is all they have now.

[@robertmorris8997]

Well, if the one can take over the ship, I would think the transporter would be child's play.

[@starmnsixty1209]

Undoubtedly they have encountered transporters before in any case, if they are 50,000 years old.

[@ericsmith8373]

I think the actual dialogue is: Uhura: It doesn't make any sense, sir. Spock: To expect "sense" from two individuals of such differing viewpoints, is not logical. Sulu: But their planet is dead. Does it matter now which one was right? Spock: Not to Beale and Loki. All that matters to them, is their hate. Uhura: Do you suppose that's all they ever really had sir? Kirk: No. But that's all, they have left. Take us out of orbit. Set course for Starbase, 4

[@CrushedOrangeProd]

I tear up when I watch this episode, wondering if we as a species are doomed to end this way. I fear this world is slowly falling into darkness. But then I remember what Sam said in “The Two Towers”: “It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.” Frodo: “What are we holding onto, Sam?” Sam: “That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for.” Tolkien believed I a better world. So did Roddenberry. We can’t let hate define us as a species. I know mankind is better than that. I hope it doesn’t come to near annihilation for us to realize that

[@pwnmeisterage]

The flaw in that logic is that lovers don't force their passions onto others with soldiers, bullets, blades, and bombs. But haters do.

[@AndrewAbraham83]

We're looking at the future of earth if we don't wake up and stop the hate. We've truly learned nothing since this episode aired. In fact we're more divided than ever and all we can do is finger point

[@erikpeterson25]

Yes

[@Jimmy-ci7zn]

Exactly, sadly

[@MaskedMan66]

Just remember, the moment we blame *anybody* for the division, we are being consumed by it.

[@STho205]

Life and life experiences are not found in fictional theatre. Each generation seems to more and more rely on media and entertainments to define their subjective lives and pretend to have a complete life. Kierkegaard warned of this almost two centuries ago. You can't legislate personal thoughts. At best you can legislate manners, however those trying to force correct-thought often insist that manners are stupid and should be thrown out. The stoic knows they can only change themselves.

[@applesandgrapesfordinner4626]

Don't worry about the fools my dude. Just live as you please

[@rubenanthonymartinez7034]

One of the most insightful episode of the series!

[@pepperVenge]

AHH! Now that's Star Trek! So far ahead of its time.

[@ThespianProda]

Hmmm. This part should be a service announcement

[@gallery7596]

Most tension-filled scene is Kirk using the ship's self destruct sequence to make Beale back down.

[@Exodianecross1978]

Frank Gorshin, who also played the "Riddler" in the contemporary BATMAN-series in the 60's, gave a very impressive performance as Beele, I deeply admire him!

[@solucaoatende]

And today we have criminals made martyrs to justify the hate. People never learn.

[@katherineberger6329]

How dare people be angry that the Minneapolis Police have a decades-long pattern of abusing suspects' civil rights and acting as a terrorist gang that is openly insubordinate to the political leaders that they're supposed to obey?

[@fredsmith9788]

"You monotone humans are all alike. First you condemn and then attack. I will answer no more questions."

[@joevignolor4u949]

Recently I watched all 79 original Star Trek episodes and realized there was a lot more substance to the series than I saw when I first watched it back in the 1960's. Issues such as racism, slavery, perpetual war, inequality and social justice were subjects in many episodes. Recent statements made by Nichelle Nichols, who played Lt. Uhura, indicate that Gene Roddenberry, the series creator, knew and communicated with Dr. Martin Luther King who was a big fan of the show.

[@MaskedMan66]

This is not news. The show has always been about the human condition. I hadn't heard of Roddenberry personally communicating with Rev. King, but Nichols met him at a function, and he told her how much he enjoyed the show. She was actually thinking of leaving the show because she felt she wasn't doing much on it, but King told her point blank, "You cannot!" He explained that just by being there, even if she didn't have many lines in an episode, she was showing black people that they were going to make it and be there in the future alongside all other colors. So she decided to stay, and when she told Roddenberry of the incident, he said, "God bless that man! He gets what I'm trying to do!"

[@joevignolor4u949]

@@MaskedMan66 I don't know if you have seen the KZbin video where Nichols discusses the event. The telling piece of information concerns her resignation letter. She gave it to Roddenberry on a Friday afternoon and told him her decision to leave the show was final. He told her he would hold onto her letter over the weekend and that she should think it over during the weekend and come back to see him on Monday. Then at the NAACP banquet on Sunday Dr. King made it a point to seek her out and tell her that she needed to stay on the show and he told her why. Then on Monday she went back to Roddenberry to tell him she would be staying on the show. He then opened his desk drawer and took out the resignation letter to give it back to her. Apparently sometime over the weekend Roddenberry had torn the letter up into little pieces and on Monday he handed her back the pieces. What all this tells you is that King knew Nichols was leaving the show and he deliberately went over to her at the banquet to talk her out of it. Then on Monday Roddenberry already knew that she would be coming back to tell him she had changed her mind and to ask him for the letter back. The only way all this could have played out like this is if Roddenberry and King knew each other and if Roddenberry had called King to ask him to talk to Nichols at the banquet.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@joevignolor4u949 That sounds like speculation to me.

[@joevignolor4u949]

@@MaskedMan66 It sounds like evidence to me. Ask yourself these two questions. How did Dr. King know to go over to Nichols at the banquet and talk with her about leaving the show? And how did Roddenberry know that Nichols would be coming back for her letter on Monday, which he had already torn up before she even went into his office?

[@MaskedMan66]

@@joevignolor4u949 As I heard her tell it years ago, she approached him, and all he said was that he liked the show. She was the one who brought up the fact that she was thinking of leaving.

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

Yet here we are in 2021...

[@MaskedMan66]

Which is still better than the 1960's.

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

A lot of people rag on S3 of TOS. It still had a lot of great episodes.

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

It was because the new writers ended up with 1/2 done scripts, after Roddenberry took his team & left, after the standoff with the production company. The new writers weren’t anywhere as good, and weren’t really science fiction writers.

[@mitchmaglio1363]

This is why the world still needs Star Trek.

[@andytay5507]

I remember that episode SO well, even after having not seen it since '67. But you're the same. 'No, he's white on the right side'. Best allegory to prejudice ever made into a a morality play! Thanks, Gene!

[@MrEab2010]

that scene stuck with me too. "Are you blind? Look at him!" "What's wrong with him?" "He's black on the left side, I'm black on the right side." The crew all stare at one another dumbfounded.

[@Barzins1]

Oh Shatner. Such a subtle actor.

[@james_tiberius_kirk73]

You have all proved here why we still have a long, long way to go.

[@robertmorris8997]

James R. Kirk.

[@robertcorbell1006]

Right up there with Devil in the Dark and The Cloud Minders for truly timeless episodes with strong social messages.

[@lawrencejohnson3259]

One of the greatest of all time. It made an indelible impact upon me in my youth.

[@davidpickens8800]

Legend has it they're still fighting

[@MrEab2010]

I wouldn't doubt that they are doomed to an eternity of fighting in hell.

[@LordGreystoke]

Hate is all consuming. Much wiser to love.

[@Vejitatheouji]

Love can also be all consuming.

[@bkbland1626]

@@Vejitatheouji maybe just some balance?

[@DisgruntledPigumon]

Yeah when people love evil stuff, it’s even worse.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@Vejitatheouji But worth it!

[@Alixdkari]

fantastic episode, one of my all-time favourites

[@Tiberius291]

The way Frank Gorshin is running is hilarious to me. ☯

[@MrEab2010]

I thought so too at first. But now I see the aimless jerking around as part of his character's tragically pathetic existence.

[@Vindix007]

Kirk in Star Trek series: Let go of your hate! Kirk in Star Trek - The Undiscovered Country: LET THEM DIE!!

[@JnEricsonx]

Kirk having had his son murdered by Klingons btw.

[@chrismc410]

@@JnEricsonx he shouldn't have had a grudge. He killed the Klingon responsible for the actual stabbing and his commander who ordered it. Even among Klingon society that was perfectly acceptable, even taking his ship. Won them in honorable combat and as such his prize. Any grudge Kirk had should have ended with Kruge's death.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

This episode and the "cloud minders " episode with the Wealthy class living in luxury and the Trogladite slaves in mines needing a "protector mask" thingy also prophetic. Aliens must have written these shows to help us.. Prophetic

[@MaskedMan66]

"The Could Minders" actually had a lot in common with "Metropolis," which played with similar themes. And who needs aliens? Some of us, in fact, millions of us, realize what needs to be done. We just don't have the money and the airwaves.

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@MaskedMan66 Even if we had, the evildoers have convinced the "deplorables" and others that the "liberal media," the corporate media and public media (NPR & PBS) are against them and their beliefs, so are lying. If we don't have a common source of getting facts, then we can't have honest debate and solutions to problems. The only thing to do is to argue they are extremists and need to be utterly defeated by all the good and honest people, who are still in the majority.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@sandal_thong8631 I'm not sure who you're talking about.

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@MaskedMan66 You said it was lack of access to the media to get the facts and truth out to the public in order to solve the country's and world's problems. I'm saying we can't solve the nation's and the world's problems when a minority that doesn't believe in facts and truth are electing their own to power, like election-deniers.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@sandal_thong8631 So... you're talking about the Democrats? But they're the ones calling people "election deniers."

[@kirkhenry3867]

I remember this episode. I think of it often.

[@DawoudKringle]

Uhura: "Do you think that their hate was all they had?" Kirk (choking back tears): "No." (but it's all they have now).

[@cogentdesign]

1:38. If that blue shirt was wearing red, he would've been vaporized.

[@MaskedMan66]

No, just knocked over, same as that guy.

[@voyager7]

Luke in RoTJ "Let go of your hate".

[@penguinboy561]

Incredible how there's a new turbolift car available only seconds after the first one departs! I wish all elevators were so efficient.

[@christianeaster2776]

One thing that surprised me about this episode was Frank Gorshin gave a great performance. All I had known him for was comedy before this.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

The way they're running after each other at the end there, looks like they both have bad diarrhea and are trying to avoid soiling their pants.

[@MulToyVerse]

Uh... Spock called Frank Gorshin Commissioner. He is The Riddler!

[@toddkurzbard]

"Commissioner Gorshin".

[@lornes9853]

This is as close as Shatner comes to caricaturing himself. The... OVER-enunciating of SYL!-lables and the.... dra-MAT!-ic... PAUSES! in this clip are where the funniest Shatner impersonations come from. That said, William Shatner is a far better actor than given credit for. Watch multiple episodes and you appreciate his performance is much more than quirks. The man has charisma and is in complete control of his ship. There's a gravitas in his performance that no other Trek captain can touch, other than Patrick Stewart's Picard.

[@bobdionne4625]

Leave it to the most dispassionate unbiased (and therefore most qualified) observer to deliver the harshest condemnation

[@MaskedMan66]

Never mind that Spock made his share of prejudiced remarks throughout the series...

[@MrEab2010]

@@MaskedMan66 Spock didn't think very highly of humans, did he? 😉

[@MaskedMan66]

@@MrEab2010 Indeed, and it could have been a case of self-loathing, given his own human half.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@MrEab2010 Indeed. It may have been a case of self-loathing.

[@MrEab2010]

@@MaskedMan66 in one episode Spock called his Earthling mother highly illogical and asked his Vulcan father Sarak why he married her. Sarak had the perfect ego-deflating reply: "at the time it seemed like a logical idea."

[@joaopaulodelimacapela3317]

Don't know why, but this guy fights just like the Riddler... 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@leeboy26]

In fairness the Cheron were apparently a people with space-faring tech so they are probably not all dead...

[@MaskedMan66]

That would depend on how insular they were.

[@charlesrobinsonsr4624]

Frank Gorshins acting was spot on in this episode! One of my favorite episodes

[@fornoreason8822]

WARNING: Some of the most deepest words you will ever hear on KZbin is in this thread.

[@sixty2jeff]

Riddle me this Mr. Spock...

[@MarcusSLazarus]

There's a novel 'No Time Like the Past' that features a follow-up to this; the 'Enterprise' returns to the planet and finds that the two survivors have set themselves up on the opposite sides of the planet to avoid dealing with each other, and Kirk briefly ends up in the past where he learns that the planet destroyed itself when a biological weapon was unleashed because nobody could accept that there was no biological difference between the two sides (as in there was no way such a weapon could just affect the right-blacks or right-whites)

[@huskerjpg]

I grew up on ST TOS and this has always been a favorite episode. The 3rd season had a lot of bad episodes, but this one really connected with me as a kid and I still like it. In addition to trying to say something about race hatred, the self destruct segment is really well done and has a lot of tension.

[@pattimcb31]

When does he leave a riddle for them to figure out?

[@tackyman2011]

BEST COMMENT.

[@robertm.-certifieddaytrade4939]

“Batman, riddle me this...”

[@tonray9395]

Riddle me this Captain Kirk: what's with the absurd costumes for the aliens? They look like mannequin models at Nordstrom dept store

[@starguy2718]

Kirk: Don't look at me! Costume design is Bill Theiss's department!

[@davidn503]

Lots of folks naming City on the Edge of Forever and this Episode as the top two, and I agree, but one of my faves is That Which Survives with Lee Meriwether. So many classics....

[@dannyjohnson6323]

Brilliant episode.

[@frankensteinlives5451]

Great episode with a greater lesson.

[@mierpaul]

Carl and Lenny would have put their differences aside and forgiven each other.

[@tsartodd]

when this episode was aired, America had gone through its worst race riots in practically every major city across the country. Dr. King and Robert Kennedy had recently been assassinated. i know that a lot of people think that this episode is heavy-handed and preachy. but when you put it in the context of its times, it took a lot of balls for them to air this episode at all. and sadly, it is still relevant today -- more than ever.

[@supercaptainbatdoggy]

Definitely in the top 10, if not the top 5, of my fave TOS episodes. With a timeless message.

[@centrist1008]

Per normal, Spock nailed it.

[@STho205]

But Spock is an elitist racist himself. He's noblis oblige but he was even embarrassed of his mother (Naked Time). His Dad was often shown even worse, but better mannered about it. They were slumming with the humans, and the humans provided the military muscle to protect them from their enemies so they could be sophists in their private academies and salons.

[@centrist1008]

@@STho205 you act like this is from discovery or even Kelvin . Spocks parents had pride and belief. They lived in a time of harmony

[@STho205]

@@centrist1008 you didn't watch TOS then. Being referred to as almost human resulted in the joke line of him being horribly offended. He never missed an opportunity to dig at humanity especially using the proxy racist from Georgia. Of course that was Doc and Chester fighting in Miss Kitty's saloon. It was the role he was to play. The weekly character that was superior to the humans you related to, and acted superior. TO MAKE YOU THINK. The magnanimous superior species was Balock and The Keeper. The rest were much like Spock, and Spock was obviously just faking his non emotionalism, since he broke down and cried at least twice a season or threw a tantrum. He was chorus, and he was that martinette officer that had a rod up his butt. I loved the character as a boy in the 60s and respected him as a young man. However Mingo (the character Roddenberry lifted him from in Daniel Boone) was a more evolved creature. many young fans today see all this through rose colored glasses or they overreact to the context of TV at the time. Those of us that grew up with this, were watching westerns and cop shows in other nights. The plots and characters are very similar.

[@briancorrigan5350]

My big break in acting came when Black&White cookie face popped out of the turbolift and hit me in the kidney with an open field tackle before continuing on his way. It wasn't even in the script, and now I pee blood. Why, Frank John Gorshin Jr., why?

[@bettyleeist]

Yeah,it’s another classic episode of Star ⭐️ Trek!He was trying to reason with Balok and Locakai!This is what make’s Star Trek a great serie’s,with human element’s!

[@amandaholloway2060]

love this show

[@thepricillove5244]

Racism is just one ( bad) aspect of human nature. Like the Vulcans we will destroy ourselves if our unpleasant thoughts and actions aren't moderated. Also what TOS didn't have in high budget special effects they more they made up in the writing and actor's skills.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Not sure what you mean by "high budget special effects." A contemporary movie, _2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)_ looked nice, but didn't have space battles. The only thing I can think of is models cost money as well as camera-flybys so they had to reuse model shots of the shuttlecraft, Enterprise passing the camera on its starboard side only, and Botany Bay as an ore freighter in "The Ultimate Computer." They couldn't afford the Klingon ship model until the third season and had to reuse it for the Romulans. As we see with the special editions, if they had the budget we might have seen other ships, like the Antares from "Charlie X".

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

The problem in the U.S. today is that even if both sides gave up their hate, their respective beliefs and causes are still so fundamentally incompatible with each other that they cannot co-exist. Hate is only half of the equation... the other is fear; fear that if the other side wins, their own lives will be destroyed.

[@tinetannies4637]

I don't think this is entirely true. It is very politically and economically profitable for those at the top to keep the masses divided and distracted. I think if this small group at the top pushed unity as much as division, people would come together. But this will never happen because self interest for those in power comes before collective interest for everyone.

[@SerialSnowmanKiller]

@@tinetannies4637 While it is true that for the most part the people in charge aren't our friends; the ordinary people are also divided on what they believe to be moral, and how they want the country to be run. At what point can capitalists and communists come together? One thinks that the other's system is unfair, and the one thinks that the other's system is tyrannical. At what point can pro-lifers and pro-choicers shake hands? One thinks that the other is a murderer, and the one thinks that the other is a slaver.

[@tinetannies4637]

@@SerialSnowmanKiller I think your comment actually illustrates how we've been manipulated to turn against one another. This notion that there are swaths of communists in this country, and that these communists need to be opposed because they fundamentally oppose capitalism....is an illusion. These people don't exist. What has happened, instead, is that Americans who....rightly, I think....believe there is something fundamentally wrong with 50 Americans owning as much as 156 MILLION Americans....are branded by these 50 Americans and others in their orbit as "class warfare waging communists." Why? Because otherwise the poor, working, and middle class -- basically, those 156 million people -- might actually pause and think, "Yea, there IS something wrong when the same number of people who could fit in a small room own as much as half a continent." So anyone who even HINTS at balancing this egregious imbalance IN ANY WAY AT ALL is labeled a "communist" or a "radical socialist", demonized, and people are turned against each other. This is how our system works or, more accurately, this is how our system is manipulated by those able to manipulate it. Notice how redistributive tax dollar bailouts to banks and market speculators are never considered "communism" or "socialism", but giving taxpayers something for their OWN tax dollars -- like healthcare and education -- THIS gets the branding of "communism" and "socialism." It's all a mirage, and we're all played for chumps. And it's irrelevant if someone is Democrat or Republican, the moment anyone on either side gets the idea in their head that it's the OTHER side that's doing the con, they've become part of the con themselves. Because those at the top of both parties are in on it, and the success of the con relies on perpetuating the myth that they aren't. If someone wants to understand American politics, they should watch Professional Wrestling. At the end of the day, after the lights turn off and the crowds go home, all the wrestlers feed at the hand of Vince McMahon. The difference is that in Professional Wrestling the crowds know it's scripted but go along with it because it's part of the fun. In American politics, we're fed scripts that tell us there are radical socialists and small government conservatives -- that these are our choices and, depending on your beliefs, these are our opponents. But strip away the veneer of the script and the fake illusion of political choice and what's mostly left is a single con run by corporatists and klepto capitalists.

[@MaskedMan66]

Just because beliefs are incompatible, that doesn't mean that peace is impossible.

[@rabbidonngross5886]

As a 16 yo this episode affected me deeply ..till this very day!

[@goblinslayer7096]

I always thought it was interesting how they both have the same weak run at the end.

[@jeffclark1129]

Has anyone noticed that both Lokai and Bele regard the crew of the Enterprise as beneath contempt and undesirable? Consider Bele's statement on the Bridge after sabotaging the ship's directional control and self-destruct sequence. Bele: "You're finished, Lokai! They've got your kind penned in little districts on Charon and it's not going to change! You've combed the Galaxy and come up with monocolored trash, do-gooders and bleeding hearts! You're finished, you half-white!" Lokai: "I've given up on these useless pieces of bland flesh!" It is obvious that the people of Cheron have decided to let their racial divisions and animosity rule their lives, even to the absurd point of LOOKING HALF-BLACK OR HALF-WHITE! Bele: "I am black on the RIGHT SIDE." "Lokai is WHITE on the right side. All of his people are white on the RIGHT SIDE." To both Kirk and Spock, this is not only insignificant, it is also irrelevant. Kirk pleads with both aliens to stop their irrational hatreds. (after 50,000 years, that isn't easy.) The Cheronians allowed their hatred of one another to consume them that they all destroyed each other. This episode is a stark reminder of where WE could be headed if we reign in racism, prejudice and hate. Earth could become Cheron in a few centuries (wholesale slaughter/genocide of humanity).

[@sandal_thong8631]

Well the writers made their point in this episode with the silly-seeming premise of half-black, half-white people.

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

Damn lokai took that turbolift down real quick. It's ready for the next guy like 3 seconds later lol

[@robinlillian9471]

The actor who played Bele was a little out of shape. Frank Gorshin aka The Riddler from 1960s Batman was a real athlete in his youth.

[@hubbsllc]

@@robinlillian9471 But sadly was and remained a heavy smoker. Still, Gorshin was a brilliant screen and stage presence and I love watching this episode just for him.

[@ericmcconnaughey2782]

Spare turbolifts were kept in backup positions.

[@bkbland1626]

@@ericmcconnaughey2782 And to have the fancy turbolift they sure did a lot of running. Maybe they got lost?

[@williamthompson3942]

He also made a hard right turn, right through where the turbolift wall would be. Oops!

[@anodosarcade7355]

Look how amazing Star Trek is. Any other show is like “let’s join him! Let’s kill all the enemies!”

[@sean_connors]

And here we are in 2022. Look at it in totality - societies, nations, the world. Do we not now stand upon this very precipice? Does not hate of difference, manufactured fear, and demand for conformance rule? Star Trek TOS was written to address issues of those days and that time which I grew up in. Episodes like this I see almost as a prophesy. And here we are in 2022.

[@ashlynmusicofficial]

Lol everyone's getting all political over here but my main question is where the devil was McCoy half this episode? I can just see him sitting somewhere, having a mint julep and telling Jim all about his Orion slave girls he has on his plantation down in Georgia 😂 (kidding ofc, love Bones)

[@eternalhalloween1]

Obviously, any captain WOULD have called security under these conditions. HOWEVER, for the sake of its dramatic end, we really need to be willing to allow this departure from reality.

[@robinlillian9471]

Where could they go? If they wanted to run themselves to death chasing each other on a dead planet, better there than trying to imprison such dangerous individuals back on the Enterprise, especially when they had nothing left to lose. They would have taken the ship with them in their final death spiral. Lokai already almost did that before he knew his planet was dead.

[@paultardspambot]

remember security couldnt do shit to them, they were able to control the entire enterprise with their minds. Better to just let them chase each other down to the planet where they presumably finally killed each other.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@paultardspambot According to a book written some years back, each of them moved to the opposite pole of the planet from the other. Also, in one of the TNG comics, Bele had wound up on another planet, where he joined the ruling tribunal. His color had somehow reversed, and he seemed to have no memory of his previous life, though he found the name of Picard's ship vaguely familiar.

[@adamdryer4713]

this episode should be shown every year in every classroom in every school in the every language in the world

[@dark7element]

Unfortunately, a lot of modern day 'anti-imperialists' would say "Well of course, Lokai was correct and Bele was wrong. It was all the fault of the black-on-the-right-side oppressors".

[@Firefox13A]

Truly was way ahead of its time

[@sandal_thong8631]

Timely when it came out and timeless. Fortunately now, most hate is one-way with someone waking up one day to start a war against a seemingly weaker enemy.

[@icestationzebra8636]

Is there such a thing as rational hate?

[@mikeluvrs]

Very good question. Maybe there is on some level. A person could extremely dislike a race or sexual identity or something else but doesn't act on their impulses to to what they feel.

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

Maybe not for people, but there are foods, songs, books, and maybe most of all, computer programs, that I could gleefully destroy, with no pangs of conscience whatsoever.

[@hagamapama]

Yes. it is very rational, for example, to hate war.

[@MaskedMan66]

@@hagamapama I think the OP meant hatred of people.

[@MaskedMan66]

No.

[@jamesmaletsky1575]

For an advanced race such as Loki and Bele. The invisible spacecraft that Bele had could have had a equivalent of a subspace radio in it,and Bele could have kept in contact with Cheron all those 50,000 years of chasing Loki? That is one of the flaws of this episode.

[@Kmac005]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but at the 1:40 mark when we see Loki running, you can see a rope in his left hand. This was probably to help him keep the proper distance from the camera and stay in focus. Beale manages to keep his left hand out of camera view, although from his arm movement it does appear that he's holding a rope as well.

[@charleswest6372]

A scenario we face if we don't mend our ways.