[ENG CC] Spoon Civic FD2 vs. Spoon Integra DC5 Tsukuba 2007

[@miroshi]

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[@1990HondaEFHatch]

god bless this channel. i cant thank you enough dude

[@aznboiitelldem]

1020kg is insanely light! I can't imagine how fun these things are to drive for real

[@quachimba]

Miroshi Thank you for posting this man

[@DavidTsung]

I think this is actually an FD1, at least looking at the bumpers, and this was Spoon's circuit prototype BEFORE the FD2r was released. Still a beautiful car.

[@aryoseno8165]

its true, its a non type r version with base bodykit, i think the car used full modulo addon from lips, side skirt, rear lips

[@NAmania]

You can also verify this from the older intake manifold in the engine bay. It doesnt feature the RRC manifold of the FD2.

[@terryloweh]

thanks for another great upload

[@WKZworks]

It looks like something is bottoming out in the suspension. Rear outside under squat. It looks like it may be a travel issue. May have to get some harder springs for the rear, I think you can only reduce the bump on the dampers so much before causing more problems and the rebound setting on the dampers may also need to go up some. Some small cameras placed at all 4 corners to monitor the suspension/wheels would be a good idea. It wouldn't surprise me if the rear tires were actually making contact with something, causing the car to bounce and wobble upon contact.

[@Notthetimeforit]

It's funny I have an fd2 sport nothing special but a nice enough car. It's my fourth civic I owned fourth to sixth get civics 89, 92 and 99. The eg6 si was a sweet car and my ek9 R was awesome and always felt like they all were nice quick little tarmac shredders. Never felt lik that about the fd2 it feels like a family car (why I bought it, have a kid now) and just looks weird seeing one race tuned. Truth is I just want my type r back though.

[@hypasheep]

I have an imported JDM fd2 (non type r) in a special black amethyst pearl paint (like midnight purple) with H&R lowering springs and it is definitely still fun to drive around the hills and bends. It's a shame that it is literally the last dohc vtec Civic model. The fb civic was sohc R20...and now its turbo, so the fd2 is still very precious to me ;D

[@JizzaaNizzaa]

I drive an FD2 with a few modifications (with the RBC manifold and a CAI) and it's amazing how my 12 year old family car looks awesome and feels so good to drive, still

[@starbai410]

Thanks for the awesome vid & including subtitles!

[@fadedsincedayone]

5:54 😍🔥

[@kaitoreiden2659]

jorge garcia fd2's exhaust?

[@Creeperboy099]

The paint job is really well done, even under and inside the car

[@GuysWithGlasses-is6ku]

*we painted the seats, too, bro.*

[@googleuser6440]

Fd2 is handy if u have kids to drive around,very practical

They are both great cars and incredibly similar in performance, but Dc5 takes the cake cuz it just looks so much better.

[@JujutsuHeiho]

I think the flapping has to do with the damper stroke. If it was due to suspension being soft it would run over the bump smoother actually. So stiff suspension but no way of taking the energy away from the springs. That is the job of the dampers. So working on the damper settings will eliminate that. It's clear the Civic R will surpass the Integra R once it gets a well balanced tune.

[@quachimba]

+Jujutsuheiho i think the Integra has too small an engine because you are right the civic is still competing so well when it isn't even fully tuned

[@jihadjoe]

Both cars use the same engine though.

[@chrismartin1530]

Kinda the same engine. Not identical. The Integra has PRC Inlet whereas the FD2 has an RRC (better) manifold from standard. Sure the FD2 has higher compression due to different cams?

[@2010fa5]

Chris Martin this isn’t an FD2R. It’s an FD2 swapped with a PRC ITR motor.

[@o.bechtel7474]

I lost my shit at 4:50

[@ivannosic9570]

Dear Lord I just LOOOV that Soundddd ;-D

[@likiyeah]

Wau, beautiful test drive, you both managed to get the best out of the cars.

[@junrowdy]

ROFL at 4:47

[@mikesaerial]

hahahahahah

[@ajayvl7078]

God bless this Channel . HONDA THE POWER OF DREAM VTEC 🙏🏽❤️🍀

[@vtecminileon]

FD2 front dampers need more rebound clicks to stop the hopping

[@TassieLorenzo]

What's the cause of the flapping? Resonance mode in the suspension? Lack of stroke? Surprised they didn't use same damper/spring settings as DC5. Sounds like Tsuchiya says it's an issue with roll speed and stroke. I.e., something wrong with the natural frequency of the roll mode of the front end of the car, or lack of stroke causing it to bottom out and bounce violently somehow?

[@lengerer]

The driver said the damper stroke is not correct, he can’t use the kerbs

[@ridejer5707]

@TassieLorenzo thats what im thinking.might be easier for them to use the same settings of damper/spring from spoon dc5 and tune it from there.since both chassis share the same suspension type.?

[@Vintage_86]

@@ridejer5707 No. The DC5 has McPearson, the FD2 has double wishbone. The FD2’s suspension geometry is better.

[@hirokurasan1506]

往年のJTCCを思い出すスタイルですね。とくに車高

[@korosuke893134a]

これってFD1ベース？

[@ditchs14]

could you do some drift tengoku stuff? not really the drifting parts but more of like the technical side of the dvds?

[@miroshi]

ditchs14 I'm concetrating on FF Hondas, and track racing only.

[@MElekiaZ]

***** do you hace/drive honda?

[@miroshi]

MElekiaZ I own 1998 ITR #1920.

[@MElekiaZ]

***** wow! nice for you! i have a coupe 00 d16y8 not a blast but still fun to drive.

[@junrowdy]

miroshi I own ass. jk lol. I own a 95 gsr Jdm front end

[@koopatroopa187]

I think they were just filling in gaps in discussion time with that torque steer stuff. It's a stock K20A with a wicked clutch pack LSD. There wouldn't be any torque steer unless an axle was broken or that diff wasn't locking.

[@EGK20]

All type R transmissions from B16B to K20A use helical type LSD. Helical mean gear type. so there no clutch pack what so ever. and if not mistaken K20A from FD use torque sensitive Helical LSD

[@Muhammadusman-ho9rw]

whats the name of song at 6:40

[@vaughnjordan4556]

Holy shit I found it "10 reasons you're wrong vox"

[@gerinopiedra9632]

Dude.i love this .

[@lamy.]

dc5の方が音いいね

[@nagshaljarwonie8897]

Luna まぁこのシビックはFD1ベースだからね。

[@limitlev3164]

そしてアクセルペダルは、オルガン式に変更

[@狂介-k4d]

ドリキンが追っかけてる時のあのシビックの揺れ方！ あんだけ揺れたらおれなら怖くてアクセル踏めないわ。

[@ptriq]

I'm curious, what caused that mid corner bouncing? Was it damper related, suspension height related?

[@Zygrene]

ptriq I'm wondering the same thing. The flapping was intense!

[@alexlam24]

I think damper since ride height would've meant scrubbing.

[@koopatroopa187]

ptriq Shitty shock settings. Too much compression and not enough rebound. Also, his driving line didn't help.

[@Carlos-ms5gn]

+koopatroopa187 are you seriously telling everyone that a professional race car driver that has been doing this for years in that particular track chose a shitty line?

[@koopatroopa187]

Carlos Guzman Cause you know, that NEVER happens.

[@jasonhang647]

is spoon another version of mugen?

[@boxedfender4810]

jason hang they are separate..spoon focuses on type R's and s2000's and mugen is a bit more wide spread I believe...im not a Honda fan specifically but I do like tuning companies it's amazing how fast these motors can rip

[@Thechildishmandingo]

jason hang Mugen is comparable to Nismo or AMG. It's Honda's in house tuning company, I believe it was started by the son or grandson of Honda's founder. Spoon is a separate tuning/racing company like HKS or Mine's except they only focus on Hondas.

[@windingspirit5430]

Dad. No mugen is not Honda's in house tuning company. Currently the in house tuning companies for Honda is Modulo and Honda Factory Performance as well as Honda Racing Corporation for bikes. Mugen is a tuning company with very close relations with Honda. You are right that the CEO is Honda's son. Mugen's relations with Honda is so close people think they are the in house tuning group but Honda does not own Mugen. Infact the mugen ceo has shares in Honda Co so you can say Honda is Mugens oem supplier lol.

[@user-bakusyoudaishi]

シビックのコーナリングがおっかねーな ガクガク具合が半端ねぇ

[@NERD8327]

おそらく、元のタイヤジャはないので、左右のトルクが合わないかも

[@josephnovak1315]

My DC5 does the "flapping" thing seen in the FD2 here, does anyone have tuning recommendations for stopping this effect? It has only happened when accelerating out of low-speed corners and it scares me to death every time it happens. I have coil-overs that are set to about 10% above the softest setting and a stock rear sway bar, ride height is only 1.5" lower than stock both front and rear. The car has 215/40-18 tires and is set to 0 camber on all corners.

[@beautifulbeaner]

Have you found the issue?

[@zeroyon4562]

That’s really interesting, did you find the issue? Does it have bump stops to hit or get coil bind?

[@exotik4123]

The coil overs may be too stiff even if they are softest setting

[@kibawhitefang7176]

For one, the quality of the road is usually the main reason, such as uneven surface. But I would definitely check the control arms, and you probably need to balance the tires too. Take it to a tire shop and ask them if they can balance your tires, they usually do it for free. If you have never changed your control arms, the bushings must be worn out. Time to replace those, and if you are going for that direction, you could update the axles while you are at it. 18” wheels are too big, makes your engine work harder because of its mass which will require more energy to move it as it is to stop it.

[@tacklefatkids]

If you're driving on an actual road then theres your problem coilovers are stiffer especially a stiff DC5 chassis

[@shehzad2519]

Battle of the titans bro!

[@dom2479]

I feel like.the fd2 is so underrated, everybody looks at the fn2 only

[@dom2479]

And it was the last to use the b16 and to be NA and it was practical cos was a 4 door

[@adamra187]

@@dom2479 The FD2 has a K20A. The last to use a B16 at least here in Canada was the EM1(Civic SIR).

[@Hetzerg]

Fd2 is not underrated. Maybe you live in europe or something where fd2 is rare

[@mitchjackson5475]

@miroshi the GOAT

[@井実芳仁]

こういうフィードバックが上手いドライバーが重宝されるのだろう

[@inaire010]

これFD1ベースですよね

[@muhdrahimi468]

miroshi got any drift race ?

[@phongnguyen007]

Great one!

[@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials]

Got any vids of the Spoon Fit/Jazz?

[@miroshi]

GT6SuzukaTimeTrials I got one video, coming later this year.

[@aaronmorgan4145]

+miroshi have you upload of the Spoon Fit/Jazz?

[@power_of_r6033]

That thing was flapping like crazy, never seen that type of behaviour before

[@alexlam24]

Sprint rate is probably over 9000

[@alexlam24]

***** Spring*

[@TheChroniclesOfFab]

***** actually i think the spring rate was too soft, therefore compressing too easily. Also the compression and rebound effect was insufficent.

[@alexlam24]

Julian Roach The long wheelbase was probably messing some stuff up. First 4 door Type R ever made.

[@whyshywank]

Can someone identify the song after 6:40? Can't seem to find it just by lyrics.

[@quachimba]

+Roman Rudometov what a last name man i love it!

[@whyshywank]

I know it has a cool meaning in my lang, but what about it in english?

[@quachimba]

I'm not sure that it means anything in english? What does it mean in your language?

[@whyshywank]

+quachimba "Bloodletter". In a medical sense!

[@quachimba]

it's ok even if it's not in a medical sense lol nice man.

[@Legend-lc9bv]

Backfire at 5:56

[@georgeratchis5376]

My rsx bounces like that civic does!! How can i fix it??

[@skyohern2343]

George Ratchis i had the same problem in my del sol, i adjusted the dampening in the coilovers and it made a noticeable difference but still had a good amount of bounce. Im no professional but thats the best advice i can give. Let me know if this helped!

[@wherelilbubbyat]

new coilovers

[@georgeratchis5376]

@@wherelilbubbyat they are brand new

[@skyohern2343]

George Ratchis do you have a strut bar or sway bars?? They could cause the car to be really stiff.

[@georgeratchis5376]

@@skyohern2343 i have stock front strut bar, no front sway bar, no front crash bar, 22mm rear sway

[@zzzz1192]

rear toe setting/decrease in spring rate/ then returned shocks

[@gigiofficial5309]

This race should have the ep3 in it 😉

[@gpxjimmy]

I miss the 225ps stock civic type r, 300ps might make it lose the amusement of driving a FF car

[@chino098423]

Japón 👌

[@nocturnalwolf7559]

Dc5 just looks so FUQQING good 😩😩😩

[@anasahza554]

NICE FROM MALAYSIA

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

Wish they made the fg2 version in Japan instead of the oversized version.

[@brainazlk9212]

4:48 :DDDDDDDDD

[@Hetzerg]

Www thats racing absorbers for you

[@slashgilberto5734]

Can anyone recomend me some coilovers for 2010 Honda Civic ex

[@slashgilberto5734]

Mainly for canyon runs budget 700

[@dankdc5_]

Dc5 ftw

[@pucchi2581]

6:36 ？？？？？シャシーだということ ここなんて言ってたの？

[@hirokurasan1506]

先代　です

[@sakuya_r34]

いい音だ

[@お餅っち-t4s]

重箱の隅をつつく…

[@sukajaa6426]

And they said Honda still rice bc they don't know anything

[@priztucker]

This needs a more versatile track

[@djjones2723]

wtf dose spoon mean civic mean not a jdm guy

[@SwagginPenguin]

I think it's like a type R probably just tuned differently

[@Medal6]

its a tune company for Honda.

[@quachimba]

+DJ JONES like Nismo and Switzer Spoon and Mine are companies that tune

[@djjones2723]

quachimba Oho kn didn't know that

[@quachimba]

DJ JONES All good man i only learnt that about a year ago for Spoon and Mine but honestly for me i've been watching Japanese racing much more i don't know why but i find it very exciting lol

[@Prawnleem]

hector ran 3 of these civics

[@yukinudoruji]

ACURA CSX VS ACURA RSX

[@mikesaerial]

DORIFTO KING

[@VR46champion]

HAHA "Flapping effect". Isn't it weird I experience the same thing in GranTurismo 6. The FD2 chassis vs DC5 , the FD2 isn't that stable and yes it flaps too hahaha no kidding no matter how much tweak I do in the suspension rebound

[@alexlam24]

The DC5 seems to always fly into a corner while the FD2 always feels a bit behind. It may have to do with the longer wheelbase though.

[@VR46champion]

I guess so . And ofcourse the chassis difference plays a big role

[@IKURO96spec]

このFD2アクセルペダルがオルガン式じゃないぞ？

[@Mesfpkjdc]

いい音(´・ω・｀)

[@JarrenW83]

jelly civic haha

[@fuckbeingbroke2]

2 door please lol HONDA FOR LIFE

[@QuickGaAaamezorSTUdioQG54B1TCH]

!!!- HOND[A]CCELERATION -!!! LLLOLLOL !!

[@列車青煉改紅城聖司]

ハネが半端ねぇーシビック

[@AbdulHadi-hs1uf]

What's the point to tune the fwd ?

[@TheBb6prelude]

the same exactly one it is to tune any other drive train configuration.

[@AbdulHadi-hs1uf]

f2b.....f20bEG no i mean it is useless bro

[@TheBb6prelude]

If you say so..

[@commentmancommentman1658]

Sick Kent lol at this comment.

[@doctorferdinand1003]

Not sure if troll or genuinely clueless vapebro.

[@Passuru]

土屋圭一偉そうだな❗

[@kdosuru3]

吉野智仁 だれそれ