How is Apple's M1 so fast? Our M1 deep-dive pt. 1 | Upscaled

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@TheBrianDotson
@TheBrianDotson 3 жыл бұрын
YOU’RE BACK! Engadget needs to get this guy on the regular rotation. He’s the only reason I watch their channel.
@placeholder2924
@placeholder2924 3 жыл бұрын
That's sad, but true
@JigilJigil
@JigilJigil 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, I am just on this channel to watch his videos.
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! He's the reason I subbed to this channel. Are you into the new M1 Macs?
@debochch
@debochch 3 жыл бұрын
@Erick J I usually watch most youtube at x2 speed. This guy (and The History Guy) can not be speed up.
@huajie666liu8
@huajie666liu8 3 жыл бұрын
You probably like his look.
@halimboy9130
@halimboy9130 3 жыл бұрын
Been using my M1 Macbook Air for two weeks now. For me as normal consumer, this machine is ridiculously fast and battery was phenomenal. I can go for 3 days without charging it. Really looking forward for what apple will offer next when the transition period is over.
@tuckercoffin2164
@tuckercoffin2164 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Even my iPad loses battery faster wtf
@vilicles
@vilicles 3 жыл бұрын
INDUSTRY IN 2007: "64-bit is the way of the future." APPLE IN 2017: "Heads up, guys. We're putting 32-bit apps on life support." MICROSOFT IN 2020: "32-bit only!"
@CMDRunematti
@CMDRunematti 3 жыл бұрын
yeah my jaw hit the floor when he said that, wtf they were thinking?
@seasong7655
@seasong7655 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly both should be supported
@eduardoalvarez2497
@eduardoalvarez2497 3 жыл бұрын
@@seasong7655 In an ideal world, yes both should be supported. But in a world with limited resources you need to make sacrifices. Even if Apple has all the money in the world to hire more engineers to add the missing functionality, the bigger the team, the harder to manage, so they need to make this sacrifices to make a smaller but more polished product.
@jaronyuriyh7931
@jaronyuriyh7931 3 жыл бұрын
@@seasong7655 and that my friend is why x86 is so bloated these days
@dregenius
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaronyuriyh7931 Yuppp! It's not just address space either... I feel like literally every single instruction, subroutine or design paradigm ever introduced in an x86 chip, since the original 8086 in the 70's, is still being dragged around behind Intel in what can only be described as some kind of grotesque, bloated rucksack... leaving a trail of blood and pus along the way. There's some seriously *ancient* baggage with x86 that just *needs* to go... but with how fragmented the PC ecosystem is, I don't see it ever happening. Apple's M1 is the first thing to really make the PC industry think long and hard about it though, you have to admit.
@a4andrei
@a4andrei 3 жыл бұрын
As a hard-core PC user, the new Macs really impressed me. One of the reasons why this new chipset performs so well is because it uses hardware acceleration for a bunch of things. x86 CPUs have very general-purpose functionality, and the architecture itself is bloated and requires a complex translation layer to be able to decode x86 instructions. ARM on the other hand has a fairly robust instruction set which allows the CPUs to execute tasks more efficiently. Honestly, if they nail the specs and price on the 2nd gen Macs, I'm gonna get on board the Apple express. I avoided the current Macs because I never touch 1st gen stuff (and the video illustrates why). Excited for part 2!
@sovo1212
@sovo1212 3 жыл бұрын
The main problem with x86 is Windows 10, it's completely bloated and it's not better than its predecessors.
@tuckercoffin2164
@tuckercoffin2164 3 жыл бұрын
I was also shocked by it.
@michael-gary-scott
@michael-gary-scott 3 жыл бұрын
the m1 macbook is the first apple laptop i've owned and it is by far the smoothest and more responsive device i've ever owned. even a few months down the track it's still at peak performance. 100% would recommend.
@hobowithashotgun48
@hobowithashotgun48 3 жыл бұрын
@@sovo1212 RIP Windows 7, the hero we needed, but didnt deserve.
@sovo1212
@sovo1212 3 жыл бұрын
@@hobowithashotgun48 Thats' a source code we need to be leaked.
@vonoxid
@vonoxid 3 жыл бұрын
"A wasteland of junk programs" Thank you
@amanagarwal1939
@amanagarwal1939 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you had to give that “i’m not an apple fanboy” disclaimer pretty much says everything about the tech community.
@pacu1840
@pacu1840 3 жыл бұрын
It's because there are too many people which are referred to as" apple fan boy" who mindlessly praise apple products. Some adjustments or products made by apple are just weird and downright inferior to opposing products. However, these fans of apple have somehow found a way to only talk about the good parts of apple and neglect the huge chunk of cons in apple products. When this happen, sources loses their reliability. By saying he was not an apple fan, it sort of cleared the air.
@amanagarwal1939
@amanagarwal1939 3 жыл бұрын
@@pacu1840 Even if they are “mindlessly praising” Apple products, they are not at least those kind of guys that go around the internet calling other people names for choosing a product. “mindlessly praising” is a lot less aggressive than “mindlessly hating”.
@rogerklk
@rogerklk 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, most viewers here are pretty annoying too. Anything wrong or not to their liking it worth a dislike or this brand bad. Tech people tend to be insensitive and stuck up, it makes the whole thing much less enjoyable.
@pacu1840
@pacu1840 3 жыл бұрын
@@amanagarwal1939 I'm just saying... I'm pretty sure there are more people mindlessly praising than mindlessly hating, cause hating for the sake of hating is kinda fked up. So I beg to differ in that part of your opinion
@pacu1840
@pacu1840 3 жыл бұрын
@@amanagarwal1939but why would a hater click on this video when it literally says M1 be really good.... Its kinda contradictory
@himanshusingh-qg2su
@himanshusingh-qg2su 3 жыл бұрын
Hands down 👐, one of the most cohesive and we'll produced shows. No BS, fringe shows, appeasement comments. 😎
@Sean.Vosler
@Sean.Vosler 3 жыл бұрын
“Surface pro x was just excited to be invited to the competition”
@krikelas1392
@krikelas1392 3 жыл бұрын
Its weird hearing you pronounce it as A-R-M. I just say ARM
@TobyDeshane
@TobyDeshane 3 жыл бұрын
That was weirding me out. 🤣
@bradavon
@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah what the hell is all that about 😄
@XenonG
@XenonG 3 жыл бұрын
saying A-R-M is ok-ish, because it references back to the original Acorn RISC Machine.
@rogphys
@rogphys 3 жыл бұрын
You are correct. The correct way of saying it is just ARM.
@frontboard
@frontboard 3 жыл бұрын
ARM hasn’t officially been an acronym since like 1998 when the company incorporated to be ARM Ltd. It’s just pronounced “arm” nowadays.
@jSyndeoMusic
@jSyndeoMusic 3 жыл бұрын
10:03 Well, there’s an issue right there: you’re using x264 and x265 instead of VideoToolbox, which often runs several times faster, since it’s Apple’s hardware-accelerated transcoder. You really should use it over x264 or x265, unless you need the additional flexibility those offer.
@wholenutsanddonuts5741
@wholenutsanddonuts5741 3 жыл бұрын
This is extremely useful to see real world comparisons. Thank you. Can’t wait for the next, even geekier one!
@trancenut81
@trancenut81 3 жыл бұрын
“.... apple has put more effort into transition than Microsoft”. Its not even that close. To be honest Apple would never put a product like Surface Pro X out in the market. That unbelievable polish is what makes Apple, an Apple.
@Luigi33-cu1hu
@Luigi33-cu1hu Жыл бұрын
00:08:14 song is called I like it by The Sonic Hijackers. I was able to find this out by downloading this video and using demucs to separate the background music from the vocals. Then I used shazam to ID the track.
@MiltonGeorges
@MiltonGeorges 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man - resisting the Apple wave earlier on resonated so strongly with me. I built PCs and the Apple tax did not sit well with me. I even refused to get an android by getting a Nokia phone with Windows when they came out. Fast forward to today, and every device in my house is Apple with the exception of my gaming PC, and home server, that I run Linux on.
@الفيروز-ش9د
@الفيروز-ش9د 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, regarding the black screen, I had the same issue with mbp 2015 13', and I opened it, unplugged the battery for few minutes then plugged it again and it worked! (this of course after I tried a lot of online solution with no luck)
@bryanmiller476
@bryanmiller476 3 жыл бұрын
No issues with my M1 MacBook Air or wife’s M1 MacBook Air or our M1 Mac mini
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat 3 жыл бұрын
The battery is not user-removable in MacBooks anymore. This solution doesn't work.
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi 3 жыл бұрын
9:58 Geez, that’s 19 times faster emulation performance than the Surface Pro X lol
@amritsingh4251
@amritsingh4251 3 жыл бұрын
Dang
@Emansky84
@Emansky84 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching Engadget more often because of this guy
@theSUBVERSIVE
@theSUBVERSIVE 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I also had a Cowon music player, it's really great! I usually don't like audio presets and things like that, a lot of EQ are not great and don't really isolate the frequencies, it's usually kind of harsh, but Cowon is pretty great. Now I use their app, that has some of their player stuff.
@stageselectca
@stageselectca 3 жыл бұрын
but how does the M1 hardware accelerated media encoder export LOOK compared to the software export from the 5950x?
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 3 жыл бұрын
if you run it for 5 minutes or less its ok but it you run it for 10 or 15 min M1 loses in tasks like encoding plus mild batch photo processing at the same time M1 becomes sluggish drop frames when playing 4k 60fps.I want to test it with matlab there s huge diffrence when encoding 4k30fps and 4k 60fps in fcpx like 120%
@almostinfamous42
@almostinfamous42 3 жыл бұрын
Awww yesss new upscaled. Inject it into my veins
@almostinfamous42
@almostinfamous42 3 жыл бұрын
Any reason why you spell out a r m instead of pronouncing it like arm ?
@sayakdasgupta8905
@sayakdasgupta8905 3 жыл бұрын
This series is so good I wonder why they come out with content so less frequently
@DaveFlash
@DaveFlash 3 жыл бұрын
are you kidding? ...have you been living under a rock or something? ...there is such a thing, a little thing, tiny really, called 'the pandemic'.... heard of it?
@sayakdasgupta8905
@sayakdasgupta8905 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaveFlash man the same channel comes out with reviews and stuff every week...compared to that upscaled videos come out once every 2 months on average
@mth32871
@mth32871 3 жыл бұрын
Having grown up in the 1980's less than 3 miles from Apple, you could probably say that I've been an Apple fanboy for a while now, though I didn't get my first iPhone until 2012, and I never had an iPod, but I did have (and still have, though I never use) a Cowon iAudio U3, which I absolutely loved the form factor and feel of. My current Mac is a 27" iMac from 2011, so I don't upgrade very often, but I am planning on getting a Mac Mini once the M1 Max version comes out. I did get my mom an M1 equipped MacBook Air, and I have so say how impressed I am with its speed, battery life, and instant wake from sleep. I can't wait to see what the M1 Max will be able to do.
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
Chris, I don't know how much work you put into these videos. It doesn't matter your videos are the most epic on Engadget. I am excited for what you'll say about Apple M1 chips in the next one. Thank you sir and are you finally an Apple fan?
@joshuagood4237
@joshuagood4237 3 жыл бұрын
I just wondered whether there will be any problem with running apps at the moment on the new iPad M1 chip or will it just work the same.?
@geordonworley5618
@geordonworley5618 3 жыл бұрын
You also forgot to mention a VERY important detail: M1's superscalar architecture can dispatch 8 instructions in parallel. That is one of the primary ways they achieve higher single threaded performance.
@kmrkushal
@kmrkushal 3 жыл бұрын
would like to understand what do you think of soldered ram on the soc chip itself ?? Also some more details or link on TSO
@bryanmiller476
@bryanmiller476 3 жыл бұрын
It’s faster than ram used in windows computers, 8gb ram in a M1 is pretty much equal to having 16gb in a windows laptop
@zahoorsheikh6560
@zahoorsheikh6560 3 жыл бұрын
I am casual browser, working on Microsoft apps & doing simple tasks of writing is macbook air right for me at such a cost or it can help in my work more efficiently please suggest the way weather it is good to buy apple macbook air or look for another laptops from the market???
@douglasemsantos
@douglasemsantos 2 жыл бұрын
Has the screen turned back on?
@ChickenOfMajesty
@ChickenOfMajesty 3 жыл бұрын
7:53 “Browsing the web does generally feel very snappy” I see what you did there.
@marcusrauch4223
@marcusrauch4223 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get it. I‘m confused.
@rush3k
@rush3k 3 жыл бұрын
Best comment
@suntzu1409
@suntzu1409 3 жыл бұрын
What he did? I didnt get
@wanaan
@wanaan 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to see how things go 2 years from now. I wouldnt mind if my pc put out less heat and use less power, since I live in the tropics.
@ulincsys
@ulincsys 3 жыл бұрын
Love the video as usual, but *wow* you looked wired for this one 🤣 That's some INTENSE excitement you were displaying there 👀
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if the handbrake was using the VegaII h265 engine, and how well a more modern GPU would fair, or even intel quick sync Personally i prefer CPU transocoding, they look better, and the files are smaller, yes, even on my M1 Mac Mini I also wonder if the VegaII in the radeon VII are any better at transcode than the VegaII that are in my Ryzen 5 4500u laptop, sure i only have 6 CUs instead of 60, but often times the video engines are completely seperate from the CUs, take NVenc for example, you get huge swaths of different product SKUs that get the same number of nvenc engines Edit i mispoke, the latest version does show the option for AMD VCE Holy crap, 1 hour long 1080p30 video, using 5700xt and 3950x, trnascodes to H265 at around 270FPS, 9x faster than real time. Gonna have to see file size/quality, might have to pick up a dedicated RX5500 for transcoding the TV shows i record
@bryanmiller476
@bryanmiller476 3 жыл бұрын
I had the sp7 a while back and it too sucked at handbrake video conversions , it was crazy slow as well
@jefflhama
@jefflhama 3 жыл бұрын
why captions are turned off?
@macberry4048
@macberry4048 3 жыл бұрын
I think the arm macbook was ready a year ago or more. It's a good chance that the iPad pro has been the prototype devices for the macbook
@AmaxterPlays
@AmaxterPlays 3 жыл бұрын
A year at least. i don’t think hardware at a company like Apple is finished a couple of weeks before announcing, they work on pretty long timelines.
@macberry4048
@macberry4048 3 жыл бұрын
@@AmaxterPlays they probably had something working but they probably saw the 5nm chip as the key ingredient
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how it performs with tasks that can't be hardware accelerated like compiling.
@TrevorFalzarano
@TrevorFalzarano 3 жыл бұрын
You’re supposed to use toolbox for h265 though. It uses the native encoder
@flamesword300
@flamesword300 3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft and Qualcomm need to work with developers and publishers to get games working for ARM SOC. The easier it is to make and port games to windows arm the better it will be. At least for me personally. I basically just use windows to game.
@jonathanlange1339
@jonathanlange1339 3 жыл бұрын
Watts going on here at 10:53 ? Watts the reason for this?
@Jibberish18
@Jibberish18 3 жыл бұрын
Not to stray but what is the music at 1 minute?
@SeenIzax
@SeenIzax 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a similar comparison to the Samsung Galaxy book s. That PC uses the Snapdragon 8cx processor. In my opinion a better CPU than the sq2 found in the surface pro
@cadenchurchill4296
@cadenchurchill4296 3 жыл бұрын
Damn the M1 is incredible! That plus my growing love for MacOS are the reasons I’m moving to a MacBook Air after having used Windows machines for my entire life. Sad Microsoft isn’t doing too much to compete head-to-head with Apple’s ultrabooks. Apple’s are just so much more capable.
@nobilkwt7222
@nobilkwt7222 3 жыл бұрын
11:35 What about windows 8.1
@teng029
@teng029 3 жыл бұрын
That black screen after restart issue plagues Intel Macs as well or at least a version of the issue. I've seen it on my 2018 MBP and 2013 MBP. I'm convinced it's a Big Sur issue.
@SleepyV3rt
@SleepyV3rt 3 жыл бұрын
Whats the fan made website for m1 macs, i would definitely need that. Someone please help, thanks
@tom95521
@tom95521 3 жыл бұрын
I thought HB supported Apple Video Toolbox and does hardware encoding on the M1.
@jonljacobi
@jonljacobi 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job! And I too had a Cowon MP3 player. 👌
@rugvedmanorkar
@rugvedmanorkar 3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft REEALLY needs to step up their game...! Great video as always!
@tweezerman123
@tweezerman123 3 жыл бұрын
2:18 Ummmmmm actually ARM is a company. RISC is the instruction set.
@debanjanmondal3706
@debanjanmondal3706 3 жыл бұрын
Grear Video Chris, as always!
@GinoFoto
@GinoFoto 3 жыл бұрын
The current situation is very common alongside any competition industries. One company leapfrog others to a significant margin while benefiting from it for a while, but after not that long of a time, the ball game on the field will naturally settle to its normal state.
@NalinKhurb
@NalinKhurb 3 жыл бұрын
Great insight
@macberry4048
@macberry4048 3 жыл бұрын
They used to say the iphone was five years ahead of android and now a Samsung phone is like a Swiss Army knife and the iphone is a very powerful phone with restrictive software
@blakegriplingph
@blakegriplingph 3 жыл бұрын
Check out ETA Prime's video on the M1 Macbook, and emulation performance using Dolphin was ludicrously fast.
@franciscosusana2292
@franciscosusana2292 3 жыл бұрын
How can I resume this? hmm... 1. Plz more short videos like this (short and precise) 2. Plz explain how docker runs on the M1 and the difference between the intel version 3. Sh*t! now I am scared of the black screen... but thanks for the info.
@ssarkisian
@ssarkisian 3 жыл бұрын
More Upscaled please.
@Piketom1
@Piketom1 3 жыл бұрын
Apple seems to have taken a similar approach for the performance on the m1 as they do with the A14 and A12Z on their other mobile devices. They focused on making the experience feel very snappy and stable which is absolutely the right choice on the MacBook Air, Base 13" MacBook pro and Mac mini. The key to adoption is getting average users to buy into the new hardware. Apple's approach of, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss," will do wonders in this respect. These are, after all the most affordable computers Apple sells and are very popular with students, instructors and normal people who just want a nice laptop.
@tgoddard1988
@tgoddard1988 3 жыл бұрын
As much as the only Apple devices I like are the iPads, they do have a habit of only releasing products that are really well thought out (except when they told everyone they were holding their phones wrong), they don’t tend to release products with half baked ideas on a whim. So it is no surprise to me that the M1 chips are actually good and surprising people all over the place.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 3 жыл бұрын
As far as the MacBook screen, try unplugging the battery and plugging it back in, i might have the same issue with my M1 Mac Mini, i cannot get ANY video out of the dang thing if it goes to sleep, i have to unplug it from the wall to get it to come back on, the only way to do this with a macbook however is to unplug the battery, or let the battery die, but even that might not work as it will probably go to sleep before that happens
@hydrolifetech7911
@hydrolifetech7911 3 жыл бұрын
The 2nd generation MacBook Air is going to be my first ever Apple daily driver
@atorbtech
@atorbtech 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome man. One of the best take on the topic👍🏻
@AlvinLee007
@AlvinLee007 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is The Verge's Dieter Bohn on steroids. Subscribed!
@HenkPoley
@HenkPoley 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could use an even lower frame rate? 😒
@deanc2000
@deanc2000 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, gotta slow down playback speed.
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 3 жыл бұрын
Apple has done an architecture change before. Experience helps. Microsoft has at times given a half-hearted effort to multiple architecture support, but has always given up. I ran Windows NT on Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC, and saw it running on Itanium. But apps? Not many. Even the relatively simple architecture change from x86 to x86-64 was supported but the full transition was long-delayed (as you alluded to "a couple of years") whereas Apple has been pushing everything to go x86-64 for at least 10 years and ISTR dropped support for 32-bit apps a couple of years ago (so it was a non-starter for Rosetta 2 to only support 32-bit). I've been watching for a moderately high performance ARM laptop for a few years -- must have the ability to support low-level software development while mobile -- and coming up empty until last fall. My MacBook Air is great (but I do miss Linux).
@JeffGeorgeRealtor
@JeffGeorgeRealtor 3 жыл бұрын
Why does he keep saying A-R-M instead of just saying ARM??
@Max_Jacoby
@Max_Jacoby 3 жыл бұрын
It's an abbreviation, not a word.
@wyw201
@wyw201 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda like how we say A-M-D and not AMD
@Sam-lw8nu
@Sam-lw8nu 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for part 2
@rimgaudastamulevicius8614
@rimgaudastamulevicius8614 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see M1 vs AMD 4800u since they both are ~15w TPD chips or M1vs 5800u which is about to be released
@jinraigami3349
@jinraigami3349 3 жыл бұрын
You need to wait for M1X/2 instead as they both this year chip.
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with Microsoft is that they support a vary large variety of programs even more than apple and the industry basically uses Windows OS from xp to 7..... Microsoft needs to stop supporting all the chip makers and make their own chips or even work with qualcomm for a dedicated chip.
@AmaxterPlays
@AmaxterPlays 3 жыл бұрын
The hardware of SQ2/Snapdragon whatever isn’t great, but it’s at least somewhat competitive with Apple’s mobile SoC for compute. Microsoft’s bigger issue is not treating the Windows platform with more care and actually enforcing modern development practices. When many Mac developers moved their code to ARM, the process was apparantly very fast due to the way Apple libraries and supported APIs were very portable. I guess UWP is like this somewhat but that still seems like a pipe dream?
@andrejacques9688
@andrejacques9688 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is way more about hardware then software, Microsoft tries to support a large set of hardware in a close-source OS.
@furkantokac
@furkantokac 3 жыл бұрын
Linux supports larger variety of programs but it does not sucks like MS.
@andrejacques9688
@andrejacques9688 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, Linux is not closed-source.
@thenotred
@thenotred 3 жыл бұрын
The Surface Pro X is just the Cyberpunk of ARM
@mvadu
@mvadu 3 жыл бұрын
I am not an apple fanboy, I have bought every Microsoft product category (Windows phone, phone 10, surface), but yet I think I am done paying for Microsoft experiments. I am typing this on a Lumia 950xl where only webbrowsing barely works.where as my wifes 7 year old Apple iPad mini still works beautifully. My surface RT is eating dust in a closet.
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft stopped supporting the lumia phones for years now, I don't know why you still use it.
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 3 жыл бұрын
@@carholic-sz3qv I think that's their point.
@mvadu
@mvadu 3 жыл бұрын
@@carholic-sz3qv exactly.. Stopped supporting, not device stopped working.. I have long moved to android as a phone platform, but I hate to throw away a working device. I use Lumia as my KZbin watching device, as a tiny screen next to my computer 😁
@eyeofthetiger7
@eyeofthetiger7 3 жыл бұрын
MACOS 11.2 just came out that fixes the black screen issue.
@prebenhansen9846
@prebenhansen9846 3 жыл бұрын
But it doesn’t help if you can’t run the computer😏
@gigul77
@gigul77 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry It hurt to watch. You compare sth. what M1 has build in silicon to what ARM on surface does not have.
@someghosts
@someghosts 3 жыл бұрын
Kind of bummed that your first video on the M1 is comparing it to a niche, old arm processor on a laptop that few people will buy? It’s competition is other 13” intel laptops. Why not make that direct comparison, or even discuss it throughout the video? Was looking forward to this video for a while.
@someghosts
@someghosts 3 жыл бұрын
Also does x86 emulation really incur a performance penalty when it runs the applications faster than comparable x86 processors? And weird that you end up comping it to intel results from the 8 core 15” laptop and not another comparable 13” laptop for handbreak tests. And then at 11:04 you compare it to a massive desktop. Do you not have any oranges to oranges pc laptops around? it just feels like you need to shift your perspective on this a bit.
@someghosts
@someghosts 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to part 2
@tbonez5906
@tbonez5906 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@dev1lm4n63
@dev1lm4n63 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I would've watched the two parts together in one video, would also help with monetization
@bhuvaneshs.k638
@bhuvaneshs.k638 3 жыл бұрын
Freeze, Stuck, Lags are some of the features in windows OS
@Vlican
@Vlican 3 жыл бұрын
The old dogs at Microsoft have always failed at these alternatives... Remember surface RT?
@bradavon
@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын
Not the same.
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 3 жыл бұрын
@@bradavon How so? It's an identical problem & a similarly foolish solution. Microsoft has zero ability to ever transition even a subset of its consumer base (much less enterprise) to Windows-on-Arm.
@bradavon
@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын
@@ikjadoon RT didn't have apps. Wouldn't say its foolish, the whole industry is moving to ARM.
@bradavon
@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын
@Deon Denis I thought the Zoon was supposed to be alright just unpopular because it wasn't Apple. Yeah that is a problem but the big hitters from Microsoft are there. 355, Teams, Edge. I wish they'd hurry up and port Skype personally.
@bradavon
@bradavon 3 жыл бұрын
No mention of Edge, Microsoft Office, Teams, VLC, Netflix being native on Windows on ARM. Important apps for those considering one. Instead you run the same tired tests as everyone else. No Surface Pro has ever been designed for video editing 🤦‍♂️
@nikostheater
@nikostheater 3 жыл бұрын
The presenter seems almost pissed off and annoyed that Microsoft dropped the ball so hard and Apple is so far ahead.
@RomeoYouMust
@RomeoYouMust 3 жыл бұрын
I love Upscaled
@DarkPa1adin
@DarkPa1adin 3 жыл бұрын
can M1 scale up? be overclocked?
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 3 жыл бұрын
It absolutely can scale up. Everyone has a misconception that scaling up is hard. It's really not; the architecture is much harder. Intel scaled up from 2C to 20C in a few years; AMD did the same, going even bigger: 4C to 32C. Qualcomm has scaled up (2C to 4+4C). Apple has scaled up (1C to 4+4C). Literally no CPU manufacturer has had any serious problems scaling up. Is it easy? No. Core-to-core communication (ring? fabric? star? topologies) and cache coherency are maybe what are screwed up most often, but I just don't see anything else that would even be a question for 8C, 16C, or even 32C Firestorm cores on a single die. Apple, like Qualcomm + Arm + Samsung, has *already* done one of the hardest kinds of scaling: heterogeneous, with two CPU architectures on the same die. Aka big.LITTLE. AMD & Intel still can't put together a very good heterogenous die (Lakefield is a start, but it's hardly efficient). IIRC, leaks indicate an 8+4C "M1X" variant already, which would be ungodly fast. I can't imagine eight Firestorm cores, especially with their perf-watt.
@MrEmosewa101
@MrEmosewa101 3 жыл бұрын
The fact you went through so much busy to even get started with the surface pro already says enough. Like, forget the numbers, just look at the experience There's zero reason to get this over the M1
@AdaDenali
@AdaDenali 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah idk why someone would get the surface pro x, if they want a similar form factor why wouldn't they get a regular surface pro running on intel
@SynysterNick
@SynysterNick 3 жыл бұрын
I’m bothered by the huge difference between color grades from A-Roll to B-Roll. A-Roll is almost like it has 2 LUTs which makes the B-Roll look like it’s still in LOG, or at least not as graded. Just look at the skin tone on his hand touching the computers compared to his skin while he’s talking to the camera
@JoeGillian0
@JoeGillian0 3 жыл бұрын
Cowon i7 sold me on your credibility :-) Nice
@syrupybrandy2788
@syrupybrandy2788 3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft had a huge head start on ARM based PCs, many years ahead of Apple; and yet the surface pro x still sucks compared to Apple M1.
@sitoudien9816
@sitoudien9816 3 жыл бұрын
Why MS why?
@astromec6303
@astromec6303 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh tho the surface pro X is now one or two years old now so it’s almost like comparing the new gen with the last gen. The M1 is meant to compete with the current gen of Intel (and the last gen).
@omarlite
@omarlite 3 жыл бұрын
It was updated 2 months ago or so.
@ajomon62
@ajomon62 3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft is just lazy at doing things. The fact that they haven't even made a consistent UI experience across windows is the proof. They have complete control over that unlike the native app situation. I think apple's gonna take a chunk of windows market share for itself for atleast a couple of years.
@JxcksonSF
@JxcksonSF 3 жыл бұрын
that aint gon happen, in all this time Mac not even got near the windows market share, m1 aint gonna do magic
@DarkPa1adin
@DarkPa1adin 3 жыл бұрын
@@JxcksonSF because Apple doesn't really cater to the poorest consumer. Windows cater to all, but they get most market shares due to cheap desktop/laptop configs.
@ajomon62
@ajomon62 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkPa1adin exactly! Premium thin laptop segment is for sure going to be dominated by macs this year.
@ajomon62
@ajomon62 3 жыл бұрын
@@JxcksonSF only because they just sell premium thin laptops. I just hope Windows don't end up like how intel is now.
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong, Microsoft is simply toooo diverse, most industries and companies in this world still uses some versions of Windows and Microsoft has to support it, plus Windows still uses toooo many different chips from nvidia to Intel to amd. Apple only uses/used intel CPU and AMD GPU .
@dcdemon813
@dcdemon813 3 жыл бұрын
With Apple improving their chips every year on their mobile devices, is it realistic to expect the same with the M2/M3/M4? Or is the M1 going to the "X" series and have newly minted laptop refreshes every 2-4 years still? And what will this do to the longevity of their devices? Will there be slower upgrade cycles since they will be their own competition for the foreseeable future? Is this chip too good not to turn into a chip manufacturer? 🤔
@plenue
@plenue 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously love this review! Do tell us about from developer perspective is this great to have since many things are broken?
@lchanceiv
@lchanceiv 3 жыл бұрын
Love this guy!!
@haithem8906
@haithem8906 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot to try vscode
@nikextracool
@nikextracool 3 жыл бұрын
Wait for next video
@simon95dj
@simon95dj 3 жыл бұрын
what about gaming ?
@MesaMain
@MesaMain 3 жыл бұрын
11:30 WTF???? You were used desktop mode? There is TABLET MODE DUDE!!!!!!!
@Alex-fl2yh
@Alex-fl2yh 3 жыл бұрын
The music was a bit annoying and very distrating in this video from time to time.
@ArifMahmud
@ArifMahmud 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting for next video.
@alexmm01
@alexmm01 3 жыл бұрын
I like the disclosure. Everyone at these big publications who review Apple products all happen to be Apple fanboys too so it is hard to get an honest opinion.
@r3d0c
@r3d0c 3 жыл бұрын
i foresee apple moving towards risc-v in the future years, there's some friction on reliance on arm and their closed source proprietary libraries; plus the move from arm to risc-v won't be nearly as big of a pain in the ass as the move from arm to x86 because they're both risc based architectures (x86 is cisc)
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 3 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons Microsoft keeps dropping the ball is because their engineers suck. They hire them based on test performance, while Apple hires their engineers based on experience and accomplishments. Testing has been shown to eliminate the most creative and brilliant engineers.
@wyw201
@wyw201 3 жыл бұрын
Is this from first hand experience or an anecdote? When you mention engineers do you refer to software engineers or hardware engineers?
@DODGE9454511
@DODGE9454511 3 жыл бұрын
Given the reliability and serviceability of apples last couple of years of products. I'm keeping the Intel. At least i can replace my battery and keyboard or anything else. Give it time i think intel\amd will get caught up. its good competition for them. one thing to take into consideration is that if you have an x86 you can run software all the way back to the early 80s with out emulation.
@mariokajin
@mariokajin 3 жыл бұрын
Intel and AMD commissioned MS to make this excuse of a computer so that the world can see how bad are ARM based computers. While none of the 3 companies mentioned above were able to produce anything that fits the mobile part of computing.
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