Steam Bending 1" Ash Mud Wagon Bows | Engels Coach Shop

[@k13ehr]

Always a pleasure to watch your channel Dave whether in the shop or at home, no silly music or swearing, it's also an education for many of us, and it's so well explained it remains for posterity long after we've all shuffled off.

[@nickgironda8932]

Amazing work, Sir! I know calling you “sir” make you feel “old”. I mean it with ALL DUE RESPECT AND ADMIRATION.

[@alandent7231]

Dave have you considered stamping a date onto your work so that 100 years from now we will be able to pay homage to your skills! Thanks for sharing

[@saltycreole2673]

I believe he does add a small plaque and other identifications to the work such as branding. If not, he should be proud to do so. His work is immaculate. Future generations need his expertise for reference.

[@lint2023]

I agree. I learned a couple decades ago to date everything. Even today I wrote a date on a small wooden tool I just glued up.

[@Page5framing]

Also it would help whoever is fixing or repairing it have a nice little reference as KZbin will outlive us all.

[@Kirt-Davis]

I date everything I make, but just month and year. Today, K. Davis 6-23.

[@vincentlavarenne6682]

Wonderfull demonstration. As an amator chair maker I tried several times to bend seasoned woods, but didn't meet great success, even by choosing easy-to-bend woods , or by heating them twice the time in my homemade steam box. I came to the . conclusion that the wood possibly was not only drying but ageing chemically to an irreversible state. . It should have dawned on me that professional woodworkers must have some mean to bend seasoned wood as it is difficult to source green wood nowadays . For instance factorIes who make industrial Windsor or Thonet chairs by the thousands can't rely on greenwood. No more can a traditional craftsman who happens to make bent parts from time to time for one-of-a-kind projects. . Both of them obviously use seasonned wood and thus must have known a trick to bend it... Once again you masterfully answered the question: the key to bending seasoned wood is to rehydrate it to the heart by using a pressure steamer. One more time , thank you David. Vincent Lavarenne, France ( who hopes to be better with wood than with the English language) .

[@billh230]

No worries, Vincent. You're quite a lot better in English than I am in French. Of your native tongue, I only know enough to translate the service manuals for Citroën DS-ID! 🤔

[@bruceyoung1343]

I recall a home we lived in was old. 140+ years old in 1980. It had 2 bathrooms on first floor. One of them had a “cathedral” type window. Window that has curved sides that meet at a point on top. The window frame had a piece of yellow plastic for privacy and the frame was rotted. I said I could make a new frame and then make a stained glass window for it. I bought some 5/4 pine( if I remember). And now I had to think how to get the bend in each side. I thought of soaking in a tub but didn’t do that. I have a table saw that I cut the 5/4 into 1/8” strips. Carefully measured the 5/4 so I had enough for the bottom and lil extra on sides for machining. I first got a 2’ x 4’ 3/4 plywood. On this plywood I drew out the profile I would need. I attached blocks along this line. I knew how many strips would be needed for each side. I used exterior wood glue and used a roller applicator to apply the glue. I placed wax paper down on the form first. Then, working fast I coated the strip sides with glue. I sandwiched them side be side. And placed down on the form. I used clamps to hold the bottom of a side piece to the installed blocks. I worked my way up. Making sure the glued sides were even as I tightened the next clamp. I repeated this process until I had the glued up side securely in the form. I let it dry 2 days. The started to remove the clamps. A nice feeling came over me when I relised it kept its shape I was after. I started the second side the same process. I knew the window dimensions this frame had to fit into. I used a tongue and groove method were point meet and the cross bottom piece meet the sides. More glue and drilled for a dowel. I had routed a chamfer to accept a piece of regular glass on the outside and stained glass on the inside. After sanding, couple coats of primer and then 2 coats of color, white I think it was. I cut a piece of glass to install out side. Window putty out side to seel the rain out. We could never agree on what design the stained glass would be. Then life’s other issues popped up and I never did get the stained glass made. Other projects came up in that home. I think of that project when I see you steam bending wood. Just thought I’d mention it

[@MikeWilliams-yp9kl]

Dave and Diane, This is most satisfying to see , especially when it comes out so perfect . Thank you Di the great video editor .❤

[@davidbohner692]

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.Every episode, a gem. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✅✅✅✅✅🇺🇸🫵🏼

[@johnwaby4321]

They turned out well dave 👌👌.apart from the nerve racking moment when you started ti bend them 😮 . All turned out good 👍

[@tomoakhill8825]

Dave: I bought gasoline from the station across the street from your shop. I was there Tuesday, 27 May. We came out of Yellowstone. What a wonderful scenic, and hair raising scary, road from Yellowstone to Joliet.

[@dianeengel4155]

We like driving up there. In fact, we drove to the top on May 28.

[@richardbrobeck2384]

Nice far as the bending goes and far as the coal goes I remember when I was a kid how nice the coal was !

[@613kc]

I've always called the Jack @ 1:35 A WW II Jeep Jack. ?

[@mailleweaver]

It's crazy how much those boards wanted to stretch to make the ends crook backwards like that. Guys joke about board stretchers in shops all the time. This is the first I can remember seeing a real one.

[@johnkelly6942]

That wagon is just about done!

[@chuckthebull]

Its obvious that years of experience and knowing your equipment ends up with a perfect bend results..always a pleasure to watch a skilled craftsmen work.

[@garthbutton699]

I've had a lot of creative mentors in my lifetime but you are the only one that I've not had hand in hand direction with,some day I'd like to travel to meet up with you,thanks for all you do🤗😎🤗😎

[@willybeeish]

My heat is always in my mouth when you put your right hand within the arc of the cable to switch off the motor. Should the right hand cable fail ........ well we won't go there. But as usual, Dave, you've cracked it again (or not)!! Great to watch. Thanks.

[@timmienorrie]

Great video. Steam bending is one of my favorites. It emphasises what a wondeful resource wood is. 👍

[@chuckthebull]

I have recently attempted some steam bending myself for a custom musical instrument project to be used for a TV series and Mr Engles videos and methods have been an invaluable resource and inspiration.. even if i used a cruder method (my wif's cloths steamer and a big PVC pipe) Hopeful there will be a video out soon of my build..

[@aserta]

You can either "dirty" up the mix, and add some charcoal lumps or up the pressure of the air. Both are stopgap measures for the load of coal you have.

[@simonmcowan6874]

Amazing to see steam bending wood, I have an English 260 year old chair, the bow top back and part of the leg supports are all steam bent, still good today as it was when new.

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

That's an awesome bending press you have there Dave and the steamer box is so great. Thanks for sharing with us , stay safe around there and keep up the great videos. Fred.

[@terminalpsychosis8022]

Quite a contraption. This is the most I've seen Mr. Engel bend in one go. Very impressive.

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

Fascinating Dave… bravo on your success. I’ve bent numerous pieces of wood… I gave up on bending Kiln dried wood over 1/4”. My set up won’t allow pressure to build. Instead, I rip and plane the thickness to 1/4” then laminate it in the press. If I keep the pieces together in the order they were ripped, the glue line isn’t real obvious…. But, it would be nice to have a pressure steamer. Nicely done Dave!

[@westhighlandsshop]

Another wonderful video. Your steam bending process is awesome and really enjoy watching. Thanks for sharing

[@jerrygillette854]

I enjoyed your explanations on the steam bending process. I've done lamination bending, but never tried the steam technique. You make it look easy, but I'm sure there is a lot of experience to it. Well done, Dave.

[@RadicalLinguisticDescriptivism]

Pretty cool to see the process. Really enjoying this mud wagon rebuild story arc.

[@danbreyfogle8486]

I am always impressed with this. I am a lifelong woodworker but have never had a project that needed steam bending.

[@davidbishop4015]

I've seen you bend wood before, but it still amazes me how you go about it and what great results you get. Very impressive. Stay safe.

[@stillraven9415]

Put a small blower on your steamer fire box. That should help to burn anything you want.

[@patrickcolahan7499]

Always a pleasure to watch a craftsman at his trade. I have learned a lot of tricks. Thank you for sharing. All the best to you and the misses.

[@howardnielsen6220]

Dave Thank You. Again very in formative

[@JorgeM523]

Like I said before, I enjoy ALL your content and I love that you have been including more than what you do in the shop. I will be following as long as you have this Channel. (on a side note, I do miss your background tune you used in the past "Chocolate Cookie Jam" by An Jone....Yes I like it so much, it caught my attention after several of your videos that I looked it up on the KZbin Royalty Free Music list.) Thank you, Sir!

[@andrewmacomber1638]

I’ll tell you Dave. Was just talking to my wife about the olden days and how times change and how they stay the same. Got me thinking how did they do that in the way back olden times? Before all your cool tools! There must have been a way. ✌🏻❤️🇺🇸🙏🏻

[@warrenholmar1129]

They still had some cool tools back in the day. One consideration is that Dave is also using 150 years of experience (not his personally). The way Dave comes up with a finished product has more consideration to preservation than what the original builder would have.. As far as the bending they may jave just used green wood as he suggested? I remember one of the "recent" wagon builds Dave actually hand carved an axles in the same way it would have been done on the trail in the event of a snapped axle. A while back Dave did an explanation about his "mission statement" in that video he explained the reasons why he used modern tools. Actually there is a young Irish lad on KZbin Eoin Reardon he does alot of hand woodworking. His content is 95% hand tools.

[@mfreund15448]

Nice job!! I am always amazed when wood bends like that!

[@flywayhome8903]

Once again thanks for the video.

[@glencrandall7051]

I always love to watch your bending fixture. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

[@armandofrancogarcia1217]

Buenas tardes, me gusta ver sus hábiles manos y experiencia en cada uno de sus proyectos. Usted siempre en busca de la excelencia. Saludos.

[@tinachambers4887]

Hi friends enjoyed the video have a day love from TEXAS

[@richardsurber8226]

Good Video Dave, looking forward to seeing more.

[@jimweinheimer]

Super job bending the wood. I used to have to do this restoring old piper cubs for the wing tip bows. However I used a jig on the workbench because the shape was not a constant bend. For my steamer, I used pvc pipe with hot water after the wood soaked for a couple of days. I guess the same principle of you using pressure to get the moisture into the wood. I would then let the wood dry for a week or so before removing from jig.

[@4418CARLOU]

You know the game!

[@shubus]

Awesome details on steam bending, Dave!

[@RaymondWKing-dn8wf]

Hi Dave, Look's like Stocker Cole to me, grate for stockers does it have Oil om it? real nasty for most Forging projects except here you need a cap to hold in heat or as you have discovered running a Hot water tank for steam, you right air doesn't pas throw well, sort of like having a Clinker problem without the Clinker.

[@marvsmoir701]

That coal size is about what my dad used in the stoker furnace. it had a small 9 in. diam fire box with a forced air fan burner...

[@dc85337]

On the coal - perhaps an alternate source of air intake, like a blower, like your forge. Rheostat control will give you the amount/kind of heat you want.

[@Reziac]

Does it help to sift that coal through some fine hardware cloth? I once heard of someone wetting coal dust and letting it dry into slabs and burning it that way. No idea if it would work. I used to burn lump coal for heat and one year what we could get in Bozeman was such crap that I came to Billings for coal. And then they were out so I went down to Sheridan and picked it off the side of the road for free. Sure beats wood when it's -45 out....

[@harpomarx7777]

Right. See you in two weeks when you return to coach making.

[@MrAvjones]

My mom use to bend wood, over my bottom.

[@Dave-ty2qp]

Mom's world wide are known to do that. Not that we ever deserved it. LOL

[@ROLANDO72510]

Hi great work once again , i never get tierd seeing your work thanks Dave

[@richardthornhill4630]

Well done bending that kiln dried Ash.

[@machinemoverman4614]

The man knows his craft!

[@doughaslehurst5108]

When we used to burn coal on a house fire 60 or more years ago, we would burn that sort of coal to give a steady burn, it was called slack.

[@mergrew0110]

Yes, I remember slack! We used to put it in paper bags and lay it on the fire to keep it burning overnight. If you were lucky you came down to a warm room next day😊. Back then everything you bought came in brown paper bags.

[@bigredc222]

@@mergrew0110 And we took our lunch to school in a brown paper bag, and covered our books with brown shopping bags.

[@33Duce]

Love these videos.

[@AdelinoGambiarras]

Wow I was impressed how nice that came out pretty well done.

[@amateurshooter6054]

Thanks Dave

[@petertomczak5637]

nice job very cool

[@antoniogutierrezbarba6360]

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[@ronharrison1776]

what a neat process .

[@jimbayler4277]

@EngelsCoachShop: Coal: Screen grade your coal. Then take the resulting fines and run them through a wood/feed pelletizers, maybe with a little binder to help with adhesion. (I want to say they use corn starch, not positive. The info is out there on YT.) If you do not have a pelletizer and don't want to buy one, you can easily make up briquet/pellet molds/extruders for your shop press..... especially when you consider the "playtoys" you have available in your shop. This would give you a more consistent grade of fuel, and it would solve future availability issues. Might even find that the finer grade coal is cheaper.

[@horacerumpole6912]

Dumb-

[@09conrado]

The hydraulic press could do it... just don't pressure it so much that it self combusts

[@jimbayler4277]

@@09conrado : He doesn't need the coal to be rock hard. He just needs it to hold the desired size and shape. Same thing when they make Charcoal briquets for the BBQ..... just enough to hold its shape.

[@alainmare8081]

Jim Baylee the real solution is to buy sized coal from eastern part of US, W.Virginia, Virginia, Pennsylvania or else. There are still some small coal producers around, able to provide adequate material to the boiler.

[@jimbayler4277]

@@alainmare8081 : Of course, the proper sized coal is the best. That is what he normally buys. He mentions in the video that his preferred grade/sized coal was out of stock or wasn't available. Because he needed coal right then, he bought what they had (the stuff he doesn't like). My solution simply allows him another way to make the best of the situation he finds himself in. Until the correct size of coal is back in stock. When life hands you Lemons.... Make Lemonade !

[@ddblairco]

thank you

[@Tammy-un3ql]

Great video.

[@railfan439]

Dave, you might have to consider having an ace in the hole with an auxiliary propane burner in the boiler. Keep using the coal, but have an insurance policy with propane. Thanks for the video. Jon

[@wssides]

Propane burns very much cooler. Dave likes the coal heat.

[@barryrudge1576]

I sat with my fingers crossed the timber wouldn't crack in the final moments of bending, but just a thought, would lamination glued together give you a much easier and more controllable result.

[@raymondhorvatin1050]

Thanks for sharing

[@ajmiller7102]

Why not make a screen from "rabbit cage wire" to screen your coal through to get a more consistent and larger sizing for the boiler?

[@tomtruesdale6901]

Another outstanding video. Thank you for explaining the how's and whys on what you are doing.

[@jeffclark2725]

Great video, always impressed with the bending

[@billschmitzer9159]

I appreciate the time and work you must put in to making such a fine instructional video. I can also understand the stress involved with bending wood, I know first hand how quickly it can be ruined.

[@ralphsullender2474]

Great video will green wood bend as well and hold it's shape as well as dry.

[@toddsmith6766]

Always enjoy your show. Thank you for this particular episode. I've always wanted to try steam bending. And your wisdom will be of great use in my future attempt.

[@tob007]

Mix your coal with wood/charcoal/twig chunks and shavings. They will turn to ash and leave voids for airflow.

[@RobertFay]

*- Your suggestion seems logical and sounds like it should work. I sure hope so.*

[@alainmare8081]

Not sure since it will increase heat since coal has a much higher calorific value than wood or charcoal. Probably best solution would be to screen coal and use a blower.

[@glennmoreland6457]

Slack coal like that was used in power stations.... They pulverised it then blew it into the boilers using jets of superheated air... Some of the best big coal available was Welsh steam coal... ☹🇬🇧

[@sasquatch885]

Very interesting.

[@rodneywroten2994]

very nice

[@jimdee5003]

Excellent

[@robertbamford8266]

Always interesting. May be in the next video, but it doesn’t seem you had any of the mounting hardware or traces on the recovered wood to work from for the top.

[@dloregon]

Interesting as usual. Keep it up.

[@kennethsiler9503]

Looking mighty good there you go you should be fine work

[@keithloveland3627]

Dave, have you ever considered a double pulley at the centerline to increase your pulling angle?

[@Gena_1309]

Спасибо.

[@Pushyhog]

4 days late & here.

[@wretube]

Have you ever tried soaking to reintroduce some moisture ? I suppose it might take a month or so.

[@Hertog_von_Berkshire]

Wood bending stresses me out. It's like anti-ASMR ... but I watch anyway. 😆

[@rdaltry777]

Yay, go Dave

[@alanharney5278]

I really like ash. Can't get any good ash here in Eastern Washington. How does ash compare to something like white oak in terms of bending properties? Thanks for the video.

[@dianeengel4155]

It's the same.

[@cemx86]

Question - 100-150 years ago how did they bend bows like this? Did they also use steam? Other methods?

[@pointerg6181]

I very much enjoy the videos. Is the wood you use primarily quarter sawn? Also, how much snipe do you get with that boss planer?

[@timeflysintheshop]

On Google street view, you can see the stone wall of the shop from the side street! So why are there eight gas meters on the hotel, but only six electric meters??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@larrykelly2838]

Ye make it look easy, lol.

[@Ray-ej3jb]

Hi Dave quick question why don't you insulate your steamer?

[@michaelbissen1946]

AMAZING

[@timeflysintheshop]

Hey Diane/Dave, I found your homestead property on Google maps today. Is the the quarry or mine next door still active? Is it very noisy? Since your corner of property across the street has a potential to collect water when it rains, have you considered building a small dam to create a pond from which you could get water for the cows without having to truck all your water in from town?

[@leebarnes655]

Could be a bit of a bother to build, but a trommel style contraption made out of hail screen could be a solution for burning the fine grade of coal you have on hand. I've seen such devices used for cleaning wheat seed and it's better than tossing it up into a stiff breeze with several people around a blanket for example. They are often motorized and angled such that coarse stuff stays on the inside and rolls out the bottom end eventually fairly clean of the smaller stuff in the mix. Depends a lot on the hail screen you can get of course, some is fine wire, other I have seen is the old school heavy galvanized. The fine wire if available in 1/8 inch mesh seems like it would be ideal to shed some of the coal dust. 1/4 inch ought to fix it for sure. But what to do with it then is an issue while an overnight loading of the shop furnace in the winter time seems like a good fate for otherwise next to worthless almost powdered coal.

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

Calming video, thanks. Can't you lightly fan-force the coal-fired boiler, just like the forge, to overcome the sub-standard fuel?

[@dianeengel4155]

He has a fan in it.

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

@@dianeengel4155 Oh, thanks!

[@douglasthompson2740]

Did I miss something? I thought you had a sliding table old timer table saw? That saw looks completely different. But I am getting older and my memory screws with me at times!

[@dianeengel4155]

It's the same saw.

[@doncc6080]

Cool have not seen you bend in awhile. Did you build your bending press? I have no doubt you did.

[@dianeengel4155]

Yes

[@1pcfred]

In this video Dave bends his ash.

[@HWPcville]

When bending kiln dried wood and a pressure container isn't available, how long should it be steamed?

[@dianeengel4155]

It needs pressure for it to work.

[@billy19461]

You don’t have your scarf on! Surprised me.

[@buckhorncortez]

For western wear, it's called a "wild rag."

[@dianeengel4155]

It's for when it's colder.

[@karellodewijks4971]

👍👍😊😊

[@tomswindler64]

😎😎😎👍👍👍