ENGINE COMPRESSOR STALL | United A320 Emergency Return to Newark

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[@VASAviation]

Would you like to watch an untrimmed version including the radar scope (with all the traffic) and Approach audio?

[@georgeostromiv5525]

Yes please!

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

yes it would be definitely be interesting!!

[@ridiculousblue9917]

Yes please. Hearing controllers route around is always a treat

[@2004JETTA]

Absolutely, would love to see that

[@Quatermain98526]

Yes, it really completes the picture and let's us know if the controller had other distractions

[@benoithudson7235]

Legend has it ATC is still trying to figure out what 1027's emergency is.

[@bocefusmurica4340]

Numb digger won’t stfu. A bLACK WOMAN IS SPEAKING!!!!!!

[@omgsrsly]

That's so annoying. Like talking to 3-year-olds.

[@clarkpj1]

​@@omgsrslyExactly. Get souls and fuel once, pass it on to the next controller, leave the crew alone so they can run their engine out checklist!

[@Tylerxy]

LOL, for sure. I think if she dealt with the recent Lufthansa generator failure, she'd be very confused.

[@Ny_babs]

Bro so irritating. You'd think since he declared an e.ergency they'd pay attention and pass along the info....

[@KD0LRG]

I would love to hear the cockpit voice recorder on this one.

[@andy-ally]

"Alright, stand by for United 1027". Translation is "Sorry, we will talk later as our priorities are - aviate, navigate, communicate".

[@EdOeuna]

They’re already aviating and navigating. Communicating isn’t much less important, albeit in a more concise way.

[@FN-rr6mk]

I think is more like . “Oh please shut the f up , we are pretty busy right now trying to save our lives “

[@willj1598]

I hope the first controller gets some coaching on paying attention to what she's doing.

[@firefly4f4]

That first ATC made my head hurt. The pilot said the nature of the emergency right away and said to standby for both fuel and souls, but she continued to ask for all three. They needed to listen and let the pilot handle their procedures. But then it got worse when ATC changed a 180 heading LEFT turn into a 90 heading RIGHT turn. Why not have them continue the left turn? Good on the pilots for maintaining their cool, and especially confirming the turn direction, although i could hear them biting back their frustration.

[@optimalaeroboom8092]

How many controllers do you see doing flight deck training? Actually how many pilots do you see visiting busy approach controls, towers, enroute facilities? Both groups need to improve understanding of the other...

[@iflyplanes687]

I can hear the frustration in the pilot’s voice with how much talking was going on. Controller needs to chill.

[@Richard-iu9sf]

First controller was not prepared for an emergency. I’d bet it may have been her first. As a 29 year retired ATC and instructor I taught students my rule of thumb for handling emergencies: Don’t make it worse.

[@ross4]

Well, that’s what happens. A lot of controllers are new on the job right now. Probably was her first.

[@Quatermain98526]

It's not her first.

[@Richard-iu9sf]

@@Quatermain98526 I’m not surprised.

[@rc24caldwell19]

I know they're busy, but it seems reasonable to raise concerns about the 1st controller. I mean, she seemed to talk too much when the pilots need to focus on flying and checklists...she made them repeat what the issue was when it seemed clearly stated from the outset....she continued to talk to them after hearing "stand by" at least twice....she told them to continue with right turn, after telling them to make left turn.....I assume the controller was a relative rookie, who will hopefully learn from this one!

[@bocefusmurica4340]

Yeah, that’s the problem. She new…sheeeeeeeeeeit

[@Dexi]

While I agree with you mostly, she didn't hear the first "stand by" that we heard, as you can hear her say "I think I stepped on you." -- Also, it's important to note this audio has a lot of trimmed silences, so the pacing of the interaction is not accurately represented.

[@seane6500]

The tone in her voice seemed to indicate her checklists were priority over the pilots’ need to aviate. Though it sounded like the crew were fine anyway, hopefully her leadership corrects this quickly.

[@jasonperry7970]

Look up the atc from United585....they went from everything normal to "crash crash crash" in less than 10 seconds with "unknown souls unknown reason ". Heartbreaking to hear.

[@SB-cz9vo]

@@seane6500 Sadly, there is a good chance that her "leadership" was the source of this BS in the first place. That is what happens when you let Ties roam around unsupervised.

[@letsberealq]

I really think ATC controllers should be required to pass the souls on board and the fuel remaining to the next controller for emergency aircraft so they don't have to keep asking for the same info over and over when the pilots are busy trying to keep the flight safe. It just seems unnecessary when the pilots are probably task saturated. Maybe i'm wrong, but from a student pilot perspective this seems like a good improvement that could be made to the ATC process

[@optimalaeroboom8092]

This is already a required procedure

[@letsberealq]

@@optimalaeroboom8092If it is then they are not enforcing it. I keep hearing this happen on many of emergency atcs

[@optimalaeroboom8092]

@ejnixon with the amount of coordination going on you dont hear, things need to be verified sometimes

[@rickyrico80]

I get your point but that would mean an error may not be caught. And listening to controller 1 that seems pretty likely.

[@mikhailswartz]

While I agree that they should pass on the info re. SOB, fuel is consumed on an ongoing basis and the trimmed emergency situation doesn't reflect the duration of the emergency. Imagine for a moment that a 747 or A380 declares an emergency and flies around for 40min running checklists and talking to company and such. The difference in fuel quantities between declaring the emergency and being on final would be significant. Throw in a go-around and the difference grows bigger still. So an update on fuel remaining isn't entirely unreasonable.

[@chrisschack9716]

About 1:40 I was like "Oh, shut up!" to the controller ... they're BUSY!

[@hpgeerdes]

At least the last approach controller was an absolute pro. He kept it short and simple, made pauses when needed and gave the pilots the time they needed.

[@AllisonKangail]

That’s my dad!!!!

[@angeliejaimes8618]

That’s my dad!!! Allison

[@AllisonKangail]

@@angeliejaimes8618 our dad is the best!

[@elcidS15]

1st controller: An engine failure? Is that like, a big deal or something? What’s an engine?

[@gatolibero8329]

Exactly.

[@MarkT36]

lol, and what's with the "good luck" at the end? Idk, just sounded weird. Hey thanks for that vote of confidence.

[@omgsrsly]

"Only one engine?"

[@gatolibero8329]

@@omgsrsly so like, your plane seriously only has one engine? Did they not, like, put the other one on before you took off? Omg, I'm revoking your takeoff clearance. You need to drive back to the airport right now. Like, I can't even.

[@Ululuro]

American ATC needs to learn when it's time to let the pilots handle the emergency. Also I wouldn't wanna hear "caution wake turbulence and one departure ahead of you" when landing single engine

[@michaelrichter8766]

Totally agree

[@sdmerkr]

Yeah this captures all Americans…. Good one.

[@Noledad77]

Well, they're not going to omit the info about a B767 landing on the parallel, nor will they not tell them about an RJ departing from their designated runway. UAL1027 had things well under control, so there was no reason to completely halt 22R unless they landed and were unable to exit the runway. The only issue with this entire ordeal was the first ATC, who is not the standard for all US Air Traffic Controllers. There was another comment stating it might have been her first emergency, and I'm kinda thinking that might have been the case, or she may have been used to having to ask 2-3 times. Good news is, they landed safely and that controller can only get better.

[@SuperJohn626]

Yep. Engine or tire fail on Embraer and you get one engine go around.

[@OfficeLinebacker]

It's an extremely busy airport in the NYC area, they have different standards for stopping use of runways. (Not saying it's right or wrong)

[@ColinFisher]

A couple weeks ago on a flight out of Denver, I was on an A321 and there was a loud bang outside the aircraft about a minute after takeoff. Several long minutes later, the captain came on the PA and told us that we had experienced a compressor stall. However Delta had real time engine telemetry to their maintenance HQ and the pilots were told all engine parameters were normal, so we continued on to our destination. It was a normal flight after that.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

One talkative controller, can't the cntrlr understand what the pilot is going through?

[@BenjaminSchneck]

Why did they put another aircraft on departure on the runway the emergency is supposed to land? Isn't there a risk for a go-around ?

[@Belphegoresque]

Of course there is but that's how ATC works in the USA, always an accident waiting to happen.

[@MobeansNJ]

The first controller - yikes

[@elcastorgrande]

Departure ATC was in love with the sound of her own voice.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Or, suffering from that well known controllers desease, "Diarrhoea of the mouth!"

[@deltafox757]

I imagine the Embraer pilots were a bit stressed having to depart before an emergency aircraft

[@Boodieman72]

You can hear CRM in action.

[@biffhenderson1144]

After watching a handful of your videos, I am under the impression that the entire fleet is falling apart!

[@david41945]

Great job for all the crew members. One quiz just in case any of you guys would be so kind to clarify. Why "pax and remainlng fuel" is asjed twice? Why dont they hand over that info when transfering the aircraft between ATC freq? Pilots are underntol much pressure to read back two times in a row.

[@lyaneris]

Supervisors often fail to transfer the information.

[@BirdDog.]

“Good luck”

[@cherokee592]

ATC was a real PITA in this case. How many times does he have to say that the engine failed and "standby?

[@dammitdan1662]

First time I have heard “Wilco” used by either ATC or pilots in a professional setting!

[@jacksonmulville2200]

It’s refreshing to hear right?

[@JM-75003]

Haven't flown much in many years, but heard wilco often, including from flight crews.

[@EdOeuna]

It’s a perfectly normal thing to stay..

[@malcolm20091000]

I not only heard Wilco but I watched Wilco once. They were opening up for a Bob Dylan concert. Rocked.

[@dt10825]

Talk about unnecessarily increasing the workload for these pilots!

[@uweberning8361]

01:32 - Just one engine ? - Question of the year... Sounds to me like "How do you dare to call me on this ?? You have another one, so keep goin' and let me read my Cosmopolitan".

[@Dexi]

That's not it at all... She's confirming it's not a dual engine failure which as we all know is a much bigger problem. There's plenty to criticize her about, but saying she sounds dismissive of the issue is just wrong.

[@omgsrsly]

@@Dexi Good that she asked! Otherwise the pilots probably would have forgotten to call out an all engine failure situation.

[@markcardwell]

I like the way it is

[@markcardwell]

@pasley21 hes going untrimmed more audio.

[@Ficon]

United, you are turning left, right?

[@dogmandan79]

How many times can ATC ask for fuel, souls and emergency?

[@goutvols103]

Is it unusual for a compressor stall to happen climbing thru 11000 feet? I have usually heard compressor stalls happening at acceleration at takeoff or with a bird strike.

[@pjhaebe]

Jesus that controller is a mess

[@bmposton98]

Oh my gosh, I just flew on United 1027 out of Newark 4 days ago! I realize this audio would be from a long time ago, but I knew I had deja-vu hearing that number and had to go check my United account to see.

[@VASAviation]

This was literally 6 days ago

[@bmposton98]

@@VASAviation Wow, that’s even more nuts!

[@JimMacintosh]

First controller really blew it. She added to their already high work load. Needs more training before she’s cut lose…… and “good luck” ….. wtf

[@Evan747]

She forgot the "we're all counting on you!"

[@Quatermain98526]

Is she still training?

[@blakef553]

Agreed. "Good Luck"? Seriously ATC person? Any ATP pilot practices an engine failure at any point in the flight multiple times a year. They don't need luck. They rely on training. Not on well wishes from ATC. ATC added stress to an emergency situation instead of remaining professional and concise. That was truly bizarre. It seems the golden age of 121 aviation safety is really hanging by a thread at times.

[@markcardwell]

You could do the longer versions on higher priority incidents

[@VASAviation]

Some people don't like that.

[@Quatermain98526]

​@@VASAviationbut a lot do.

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

Sometimes the longer version adds useful context, sometimes it doesn't. The risk is doing too many of the long version that don't provide much value for the time. Then people won't watch them.

[@SeligTiles]

Yes the controller was annoying. Emergency already declared. Crew perfectly legal to not reply at all until ready. Should have just turned the volume to 0 until ready to communicate.

[@biggieyt6407]

“Hey I’ve seen this episode before”

[@Noledad77]

The Marty McFly meme haha

[@tvsi23]

Controller needs some training.

[@Quatermain98526]

​@m.choudry4898are you a controller at N90?

[@Mikishots]

Get her out of the tower. There's no room for basic fuck-ups like that, especially in an emergency. And what's it gonna be, left or right?

[@Quatermain98526]

Newark departure does not work from the tower. Shows how much you know

[@HapyLLIuTeJIb]

Departure here seems to be struggling with ADHD (and losing...)

[@Glegh]

An American a230 having engine failure over New York. Where have I seen this before?

[@benoithudson7235]

Probably at VASAviation?

[@trnguy6137]

My first time hearing about United Airlines Airbus with engine problem was from a Tom Hanks movie

[@Dexi]

@@trnguy6137 that was US Airways which is now part of American.

[@frisk151]

Why or IF the ATC doesn't know exactly how many "souls" are on board is a bit confusing... I'd think in this day and age they could click a few things on a screen and pull up all available information on that aircraft... Including fuel state.. I hope the MH370 disappearance has motivated all airlines to share engine data (etc) in near real time.. I could be wrong, of course... But, it shouldn't be much to push that data to ATC...

[@halo7676]

With the #1 engine out (left), it's better to give right vectors if possible.

[@saxmanb777]

It does not matter in a jet. They can turn either way.

[@VASAviation]

Doesn't matter

[@user-sr9bi2uu8w]

Does this controller have cotton in her ears? The aircrew clearly stated everything, yet she kept asking the same questions. As if the crew has nothing better to do up there than answer the samne questions multiple times.

[@bardo0007]

Probably on drugs

[@pauljoseph8338]

Omg…someone needs to cut the mic cord on that first controller. Never let her speak again.

[@Quatermain98526]

​@m.choudry4898do you know this controller?

[@nldmaster]

I'm not a pilot, but I watch a lot of these. Can anyone describe the lines on the map? I assume they are ground markings or something like that.

[@RogerAlan]

Some of them are routes and some represent extended runway centerlines. These are controller displays, not what pilots see. VATSIM offers free classes about it you want to know more.

[@nldmaster]

Cool, thanks@@RogerAlan

[@SigmaRho2922]

The plane is 27 years old.

[@johnopalko5223]

And?

[@amggaming3528]

And that affects what?

[@Republic3D]

This woman on ATC has absolutely no idea what a compressor stall is and she isn't paying attention to the radio. Please start hiring ATC based on performance, experience and credentials again.