Engine Failure to Real Soft Field - Day 3 SPC

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Have you ever done a real soft field landing? The last thing I want is for your first real soft field to be the most crucial landing of your life. In this video, Jason shares the importance of making an emergency descent all the way down to landing on a real soft field.

[@robertpalmer9907]

Thank you so much for your videos. I'm a student pilot, haven't flown much in the last year so these videos mean a lot to me. I'm 70 year's old and can't wait to get my private pilot certificate. Thank You

[@michael9016]

My flight instructor took me to a grass strip often for real soft field landings and take offs. He liked to occasionally simulate engine failures in the pattern for that strip as well. It was the New Holstein WI airport.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for sharing!

[@zidoocfi]

I'm a controller building a training course for fellow controllers about what we should be doing when you call mayday in situations like this. Short version for a situation like this ("mayday, engine failure" at about 3,000 feet AGL): I want controllers to typically begin with something like "roger, trim for best glide speed, run your checklists, nearest airport is [appropriate vector]." Then comes the "people on board" question, not only for all the normal reasons, but because if the answer is more than one then we should be providing survival tips to you and your passengers. Those tips would include "have passengers get their seat belts as tight as possible, protect their heads, and if possible have a passenger call 9-1-1 on their cell phone right now, before the landing." BTW Jason -- why didn't you put your shoulder strap on? If it's not on your forced landing checklist, it should be.

[@michaelj.mcmurray540]

Nice reminder about the clearing burst for the engine. I had completely forgot about having to do that. Not only is a good pilot always learning. A good pilot will be humble enough to admit when he needs to be reminded. A safer pilot in the making. Thanks for this series

[@jameswebb2912]

Have landed on grass runways many times. My favorite thing to do teaching engine failures was to land on an uncontrolled grass runway. I also landed a Piper Aerostar on a grass runway. I even taught my students how to land on grass runways. Excellent job teaching the landing.

[@jasonsams4258]

Made all my students do it! Some of the best training flights we had.

[@scottsimpkins350]

Just did this training with my CFII about two months ago. Well... soft field landings. 8 yrs as a PP, never did an actual soft field because flight school prohibited such. But, I will now add an emergency landing to a soft field because I’m always learning ! Scott KLZU

[@tomalway8889]

Have landed on a grass strip and have simulated an engine failure all the way to ground. Simulating the engine failure to the ground is, to say the least exciting. My instructor was great at teaching me not to panic.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@navylawdog03]

Haven’t done a grass field since the 90’s in Michigan. I have practiced and demonstrated Engine Out/Steep Spiral all the way to Power Off 180 Accuracy approach and landing here in Chesapeake, VA on both Rwy 5 and 23. We just did it last Tuesday from 4000 to the touchdown and came within 25 feet of my mark. It’s definitely a skill that needs to be practiced and maintained for proficiency. I also ordered my copy of Aviation Mastery yesterday and donated a copy to one of my future brothers/sisters learning the ropes.

[@fishersaerialphotography121]

The first aircraft that I went up into with a pilot I was in my teens and we took off in a Taildragger Arauca chief. It was interesting because it was located on the grass field owned by a farmer who allowed three planes to takeoff and land from there. The most interesting and probably the scariest part was when he came in, turned on the key and then went out and turned the props with his hands to get the engine started. Now this pilot normally did not fly high so I asked him what happens if you lose power in the air. He told me that he was flying relatively high, which was unusual for him and the. Engine decided to conk out, so he put it into a dive until the blades started rotating enough to start the engine back up. So yes, I have both been a passenger, taking off and landing in a grass field and also been a passenger on a paved runway. Both are totally different. Thank you for sharing.

[@MikeSr.06]

Yes we train all the way to the runway during engine out simulation . Super glad we do . Passenger into a grass field but not PIC yet

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Love it! Let's get the real soft field in there next time

[@javierperezdauden8810]

Really helpful for my CFI checkride flight part. It combines three different skills or flight manuvers at the same time. Engine failure, steep spirals and soft field in a grasstrip.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Glad to help, Javier!

[@javierperezdauden8810]

And Jason could you perform some day flight controls failure(aileron and elevator stuck) and landing with a flat tire? They ask me to do it in the CFI checkride.

[@maynerdparroteye7631]

The last landing of every flight lesson during my primary was a power off 180. It wasn't to a soft field, cause there wasn't one, but the last landing of the lesson became the most favorite part of training.

[@WaltBankes]

Yes, yes, yes. Now I can add one question to the list. Have you ever included ground loop practice to avoid collision after emergency landing. Think about three inches of new snow on the grass. My instructor did that for me in a J3. I was a scared 14 year old in 1955. He told me that if you ever were going to hit an obstacle to ground loop, crush a wing and it will save your life.😁

[@adamscholl9410]

I think it was my first lesson the instructor pulled the throttle to idle to show me the plane will still fly. She walked me through getting to best glide, we picked a spot to land which was a nearby short dirt runway, and I made my way to it and set up to land. She said everything was perfect and we continued it all the way to the ground. That was also my first short field takeoff

[@timothyrodrigues518]

Love landing on soft fields, my instructor made me do this all the time now I’m thankful for it!!

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Right on!

[@davearnold1233]

Yes to all three! I did notice though Jason you were not wearing your shoulder restraint. It should be worn at all times on the ground, takeoffs and landings, especially in an emergency too. That alone could save your life.

[@adjuaadama6623]

Katama Airfield, Martha's Vineyard, about a month before my PPL checkride back in 2008. It was a wonderful experience, and taught me an awful lot for both takeoffs, landings, and engine-out glide distances as a student pilot. Amazing experience with a well-seasoned 20,000+ hour pilot/instructor.

[@emjl4557]

Learned back in the early 70s at Ferguson Airport, Pensacola when it was a grass strip only. In the winter it was a 'real' soft field.

[@tlgibson97]

Two big dudes in a 152 on a summer Indiana day with near full fuel. That was my first and I think only grass strip. Let's just say I'm glad it was only corn at the end of that runway because we wouldn't clear a 50' obstacle. There are a lot of variables in a grass strip that throw off your calculations. If you have never done it you won't know how much of a safety factor to add to your takeoff roll. I never did a failed engine landing into a grass strip but one time my instructor failed my engine right over top of that same strip. I picked one of the thousand fields available in Northern Indiana as my landing spot. He then showed me the value in the "nearest" function of the Garmin GPS that I will never forget. I now always spin that knob all the way to see if there is an actual runway in gliding distance before risking picking an off-field landing.

[@AcesDwn1]

Yes to all 3 questions... Where I trained, there was a nearby airport that had a grass strip, so we practiced soft field landings, and engine outs to soft field at that airport. I remember thinking after the first one, "Man, THAT was fun!" Can't really go "Bush Flying" in a C-172, but made me wish I could go to Alaska and fly a Super Cub around for a bit... hehe

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Sounds like fun! Thanks for sharing!

[@moonshiner5412]

Last year during my first flight after close to 6 months, thanks to cataract surgery to both eyes, my instructor pulled the power. We were 2000' over Springs East(CO4) a 42' wide 4500' long asphalt runway. He said all the way to a landing with no power. We did checklist and circled down like you did. I wasn't quite aligned but he said we could make the corrections and land so I did! I was shocked by how good my first landing was after so long. We didn't stick around though and got back into the air. It was nice to know that I could both still fly but could also still land in an emergency if I needed to.

[@stefanlosert1187]

Yes yes yes,! I did almost my complete (about 90%) flight training and flight experiance on grass strips! Started with my glider lizenz, then flying microlight tailwheel aircraft and lately passed my Privat Pilot Licence.... So, I hope I can handle grasslandings as a "emergency glider". I realy love your videos man, keep on rolling! Regards from Bavaria Germany. ;-)

[@daviddevane3363]

Yes simulated landing all the way with instructor, no simulated engine failed landing soft field, and Yes have landed on grass/soft strip a few times. Great point re. flight schools not teaching actual grass field work. Mine refused so I engaged an instructor after attaining PPL to do it..

[@ErelasInglor]

Never landed on a soft field, hopefully in the near future!

[@dankiley7924]

I really want to get to a grass strip and get that experience. Our flight school owner hasn't given permission but maybe I can keep coaxing him into getting that experience. I have been working on my Instrument Rating and all these other goals and objectives outside of the necessities for the rating have been coming to mind. I don't mind spending the extra money to get some of this experience outside of a sim. I've practiced a lot emergencies and things in the sim but definitely want to get some experience in the plane itself. Such great videos to remind us to get better and be safer!

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!

[@markfacer2296]

Yes. Landing on a Grass Strip was a real eye-opener for me!

[@paultriplett7306]

I can answer yes to all. I trained in a cub at a grass field were landing on pavement was unusual. The back to basics training was definitely a great way to learn.

[@billryan2149]

Have never simulater engine out to the landing. But my first grass strip landing and takeoff was in 1986 durring my private pilot check ride!

[@michaelj.mcmurray540]

I can answer one of the three in the affirmative. I, along with my instructor, did a simulated engine failure and landed at T74, Taylor, TX. Taylor is an asphalt runway.

[@stevekasten100]

The only time I landed on a simulated engine failure was during my ppl check ride. The examiner pointed out an abandoned airfield (paved) and made me land. It turned out to be my best landing of the flight.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Great job Steve! Thanks for watching!

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

If people practiced power off landings I would bet that their actual landings would improve a great deal too because it requires people to learn energy management.

[@andyk295]

Thanks Jason !! Nice work.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

You bet!

[@sniper1967]

Two months after I got my certificate, I made an engine off landing from 3000 ft, with the engine REALLY SHUT OFF. I wanted to experience the real thing to feel if the plane was performing different than all the training with engine on idle. My instructor was happy that I tried it, but many other pilots told me after that it was stupid... never mind I did it without problems and I believe the experience will serve me good if I should do it for real another day.

[@joro18d93]

You 2 are terrific together. great vid

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks so much!

[@gveduccio]

I am from the Atlanta area where you visited in your long cross country...the first time I landed on grass was at Airport Manatee 48X when I was getting checked out on a plane out of Albert Whitted...I was like huh it's just grass with white buckets as marking the runway...then in Georgia when I got checked out on a lightsport we did a practice engine out and he said use that grass yes it's ok I know them

[@chuckblazevich4698]

Love the video, and the concept of the series you're doing. One of the things I always found tricky about this exercise was knowing how many circles to make and timing the final so that I didn't undershoot or overshoot the runway. I like your approach to getting to pattern on the downwind and then treating like a normal landing. My instructor often put me right on the center of the approach end (and pretty close in) and I always found that challenging. Maneuvering to mid field downwind or maybe just slightly offset seems like a much better idea. Definitely going to practice this again when I can get back up and fly. Pretty crummy here in Chicago this time of year. Thanks again for the videos Jason, they are great.

[@Tushka154]

Here in Hungary most of the GA airports (including LHDK, the one where I did my PPL training) are grass field ones, also simulated engine failure at any point in the traffic circuit or over the field was a constant practice during my training therefore my answer to all 3 of your questions is AFFIRMATIVE! :)

[@franck_mee]

Actually I learned on a 700m (2300') grass strip. So I had 9:40 flight hours the first time I landed on a tarmac runway, and my first thought was "Wow, I just punctured a tire or something!" because of the very hard surface and the rolling noise. In the winter that strip could get really soft (we actually canceled a few lessons because the runway was too soft for a Cessna to get airborne in 700m!), so I was fluent in flaps and elevator mud-washing before I even soloed! I should try again by the way, it's been two years since I last landed (and more importantly took off) on a really muddy runway. So, I learned something today: I didn't even think it was legal to be a pilot never having done a full engine failure simulation, right to the landing. And I didn't think anyone could get a license without having a few landings and take-offs on both hard and soft runways.

[@bigalbbq4597]

Thank you all! Appreciate each and every lesson/video! I can actually answer all 3 questions with a 'yes'. All 3 in an ercoupe(w/rudders), 2 of the 3(not engine fail to grass) in a v35b. Taking your IR ground school course (Gold) and really liking it, not half way through and already worth every penny!

[@garethwilliams3547]

1. Engine failure to actual landing - yep, for real - in a Stearman (Jason - we met a few weeks later at KSZP). 2. To a grass strip...kinda. Dry river bed in CA. Sadly, sand is way 'softer' than grass...perfect 3 point landing but nosed over. 3. Well over a thousand...but I was fortunate enough to fly a Stearman off grass, and have also done a bunch of glider towing in a Pawnee :-)

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Glad it worked out! Thanks for sharing your experience and tuning in!

[@jhaedtler]

When I was young, Maybe 10 or 12 My Dad and I would go fling in a J-3. When I was flying my Dad would turn the mags off! And he would remind me Not to change your Mind below 500 feet! I landed in the Cemetery and would jump out and hand prop the Cub and I would fly it back out before getting in trouble!

[@reddodge78]

I soloed in a J-3 on a 2500’ grass strip and we always idled the engine, on downwind, opposite of where we wanted to touch down, and never added power before touchdown. When I had my Cessna 140, I asked and was approved at many controlled fields to use the grass, between the active and taxiway, to save wear on my tires. Grass landings with my taildragger, was the norm. I really liked them in a crosswind, because you could put the wing down to the wind and wheel land on the one wheel, straight dow; the runway. It seems to be a big deal today, flying a taildragger or using a grass strip. Not hard at all.

[@Deanjacob7]

Your doing gods work Jason keep it up well be here forever❤️

[@AgelessWings]

Yes to all. In fact, when I learned to fly in the early 1980s, I took my lessons in a Cherokee 140 out of the 1,600 foot, grass runway at Honeoye Falls, New York! All my training, except the night flights, were done there. We would ocassionally go to the paved runways at Dansville, and to Rochester's airport, but all the flying began and ended at Honeoye falls. We had to contend with not only the turf field, but the fact that the east side of the runway was potmarked with gopher holes, tall trees down BOTH sides of the runway, and there was a business with a tall chimney we had to watch out for on the north end, and an oat field on the south end.

[@AgelessWings]

@@outwiththem The following spring, my night flight instructor at the Rochester airport didn't believe I'd only been flying there either, so he flew there to land and take off and came back with grass stains on the propeller tips (clipped some oats on the takeoff) for proof he'd been there!

[@AgelessWings]

@@outwiththem Nope...that field has been closed for a couple of decades (I flew there in the early 1980s). It is now owned by a landscaping company.

[@Adrian-qt6qr]

Yes, yes and yes. I learned to fly on a grass rwy, and practiced lots of engine failures to a landing there. Today I still practice engine failures to landing very frequently, though now my actual home base has an asphalt rwy. I still fly to my old airfield and practice on that grass rwy.

[@45mattress]

I find myself excited to see each days video. Love what you are doing. Thank you.

[@luckygamer05]

Yes, on a paved runway. Did exactly what you did with power to idle, and spiraled down to the pattern and landed with my CFI. No, I haven't done a simulated landing to a grass strip. Yes I have landed on a grass strip. My CFI took us over there for the soft field practice.

[@aviationforall3463]

Thank you guys ☺️ that was a refresher Yes , we love it and keep them coming

[@Aleksandar6ix]

I had a grass landing during my primary training in 2004....but only because I asked for it. Ultimately, the only other time I operated on grass was last year in the Philippines at my friend's strip WITH obstacles (I was visiting from Canada). The theories stuck....but new to actual soft field in a plane I haven't flown while not being current or proficient was an interesting experience.

[@flyingkub]

In answer to you three questions Yes to all three and I have also had a real engine out landing from 800ft on departure.

[@roberthblanchard]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing

[@adxmatt]

I did my first and only simulated engine failure all the way to landing on a grass strip on my commercial check ride in a Cutlass RG

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Sounds exciting! Thanks for watching!

[@TGAV8]

Awesome content as always.

[@ercanosmanoglu4644]

Great video! I have landed to a parallel grass runway on one of my early solos due to the traffic. I think it is a nice to have experience in case there is a real emergency.

[@eda5670]

Yes, yes & yes. Also many auto ‘nose down’ response when rpm’s drop.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for watching!

[@EricCullum]

No to all three but there aren't any grass strips that are public nearby. The 100' AGL (or a bit less) over the vinyard a few weeks ago help with the stress level before recovery was allowed.

[@roatandiver1]

My DPE had me do this on my check-ride. I had never landed on a soft field before so it was slightly nerve-wracking coming through the trees to the bumpy ground!

[@JoshBowren]

Great advice. So excited for this series.

[@josephsener420]

Been doing all my tail wheel training on a grass strip. Trained for my PPL with a school that mandated real soft field on an airport owned by the Dacy’s (0C0 in Harvard, Illinois) but have not done it with my Dakota, don’t want to stain up the wheel pants. Have never done a simulated engine out to land other than Commercial training.

[@HighFlight2k2]

First time landing on grass was a simulated power out on my PPL checkride. To your point, I had never landed a simulated power out. I ended up fast and had to S turn and slip. Got it in though. I never thought about carb heat on grass. I left it in. Ty.

[@sisi5408]

Loving the videos, guys! Thank you for sharing the knowledge and making better pilots.

[@DustinDawind]

I am learning glider first to build strong stick and rudder skills before adding an engine and all the other systems that come with that. So in answer to all 3 I have never landed any way other than engine out on a grass strip.

[@cathymacarthur4129]

Jason...what are the disadvantages of landing on a grass strip with wheel pants?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Hey Cathy! This is a good question. Due to debris and possible unevenness of the ground on a grass strip, you have a larger chance of damaging your wheel pants while landing on a soft field.

[@louisemateos2443]

Very first simulated emergency to a landing was to a grass strip (that I wasn't aware of--almost landed on the water strip next to it that looked like dark asphalt...)

[@Pilot-Ali]

Good job Jason, I am planning to join training this year, hopefully I would do some engine failure emergency landings, wish me luck.

[@johnwillard6749]

Nice job. Landed several planes down to ice and water with no power.

[@Gry101]

Loving this video series Jason. Missed your shoulder harness on this one though ;-).

[@rogeraylstock3641]

Did simulated power out 3000 to regular runway. Will grab me a CFI and go try a grass strip!

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Have fun, Roger! Fly safe!

[@richardseton7014]

1. Yes, 2, yes most of the time. 3. Yes. And it is still different when it goes quiet for real, and you have only one short paddock to survive. Fully agree, get a qualified instructor, and get a land owners permission, and practice pushing that envelope.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Agreed that it's different when it's for real, but that's why it's even better to practice! Thanks for watching!

[@richardseton7014]

@@MzeroAFlightTraining you bet, wouldn't miss one of you4 vlogs. Always learning.

[@joshuahunter2825]

No x3. First solo this Friday, 12/31/21. Landed 5 yesterday morning and, scheduled flight 0800, set up for solo.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Best of luck, Joshua!

[@frednorthup1657]

I land grass all the time most times I wouldn't consider it a soft field . When I was training we always had young cfis and never landed grass so I seeked out an old guy that taught at a grass airport. I landed grass over and over then it turned to snow then glare ice . It also gave me confidence that if I had to land off field I could do it.

[@douglasreichwein6768]

Trained for a short time at a grass field. Totally awesome. That's where I learned the: You never pull out the flaps all at once *^X#% what were you thinking lesson. Wasn't a disaster, but those trees at the end of the runway started growing really tall for about ten seconds.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for watching!

[@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs]

Lovely I took it down to 250ft with my instructor

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Sounds like some good practice! Thanks for watching!

[@PrivatePilotFlightVlogs]

@@MzeroAFlightTrainingabsolutely! I think the cows in the field next to me had a shock!

[@ZenithE8]

As you'll be able to tell by my question I'm very new to this. My question ..... but your propeller was going the whole time. How was that mock engine failure?

[@wcmcmillan]

Yes , first one was during my mountain flying course at CYHE (Hope, BC)

[@Boebus666]

Same!

[@bwbassman66]

Learned to fly in a taildragger off of a grass strip!

[@hohonator]

Cutest crew/couple ever!

[@irynawells3106]

Have landed on a grass field, with flight instructor during primary training, it was quite bumpy....

[@Coops777]

Great video Jason thankyou.

[@fdcap9835]

I've practiced this down to a landing at 11N (Candlelight Farms) 1 R/W 17/35 2900 ft Grass Strip. (The final for 35 comes in over a lake, very unnerving with out power!)

[@MarkH163]

Great video! Inspiring!

[@bryanbarnard9007]

Going back and catching up challenge. Just noticed Jason is only wearing lap portion of seat belt. I’m curious, is that for a specific reason for this scenario?

[@jankeesstegeman9636]

enjoying your video’s as a x plane 11 pilot a lot 👍🛫

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Glad you like them! Thanks for watching!

[@michaelwilliamsd.o.5006]

Yes yes yes. Often. Great!

[@nealpulskamp7426]

No sim engine fail or soft/grass landing yet, definitely will be in future.

[@rickclayburn9111]

Have done simulated power out all the way down but on paved runway.

[@aleksandrsynyavskyy6262]

Hi. Best greetings from Austria. Isn’t good to do overflight at 1000-1500 AGl overARP to check if strip is suitable for the landing first:?

[@allanforbestv]

Hey guys, great videos and advice, no flying in the UK at the moment, not in the South anyway and certainly not for GA. Can I ask for a description of how you have set up your in flight recordings, looks like GoPro 9s with the 3.5mm Pro Mic adapters, but I don't see any power, are you relying on battery only?

[@youthfulambitionya]

Great content i need to follow that advice

[@johnfitzpatrick2469]

G, day MzeroA.com from Sydney, Australia. Q1. Have you ever done soft field landing? A. No Q2. Have you ever completed an emergency landing? A. No In an emergency landing at what height and TAS would you " crack your doors" open them? I assume so they don't bind with fuselage distortion. 🤔

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

Do soft field landings have less chance of bouncing? Out here it would probably be sand instead of grass.

[@sebby101]

Awesome 😎 stuff

[@golfbravowhiskey8669]

Heck. 90% is grass behind the house. When i go maybe once a year to a class d tower airport i practice for a day just to do that.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Always good to stay proficient! Thanks for watching!

[@jvgolfisfun]

Low time private pilot here. Did about half my training at a grass strip (2000') and half at asphalt strips. Never heard of taking out the carb heat because of it being grass.... what's the difference? I can understand if he's prepping for a go around or touch and go, but why would that change whether you're on grass or asphalt? Also, having done most of my flying in a tomahawk, I tend to treat every landing like a soft field landing... if you let any excess weight on that nosewheel, the shimmy is aggressive. I try to keep that nosewheel light regardless of the surface. Is this a bad habit?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Keeping the carb heat out is good for a go-around because the engine has less power when the carb heat is on. Also important to keep the nose wheel high on soft fields to avoid it getting stuck by sinking into the soft surface. Thanks for your comments and watching!

[@gcarter1062]

Notice you didn’t do the emergency engine off steps in your checklist. Fuel off, mixture lean, master off, mags off. I know it isn’t a fire but wouldn’t want one either. When it won’t restart, I do the checklist.

[@thesuperiorinferior7844]

Why would he do that checklist? The point is to mitigate risk while training and gaining the experience, not to actually kill the motor. That's just creating a real emergency from a simulated one. The thrust from idle power isn't anything.

[@alexeibobyrev2250]

I landed on a grass field during my mountain check flight in BC, Canada. It felt nothing like a simulated soft field landing on a paved runway

[@simons6423]

I‘m a fan from Germany. Thx for the new-year present spc. What do you mean, when you say „MIST“ at 2:30 ? In Germany that word means „sh1t“ 😂

[@AcesDwn1]

:-) He meant that when you get down to 500 AGL, you go "Missed" meaning missed approach, so you put the power back in and climb. Effectively ending the simulated engine out scenario. Hope that helps clear it up for you!

[@pilotrussell1755]

Landed on a grass runway in PEI Canada before✈️😄

[@alepiati]

Hi Jason, why were you not using the chest seat belt?

[@get2zero]

I remember my first grass field landing with my instructor. When we touched down the biggest surprise was the noise! I had not expected all that noise. My instructor was laughing.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

So true