Dr. Paul Salmon from @Cape Copters did full down autorotation training with me at Stennis International Airport in Mississippi. This is the first of three days of training. www.capecopters.com
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@robbowman87702 жыл бұрын
Love how the instructor is so good that he shows you how to do those final few feet badly and it still looks smooth and safe!
@Doug_Narby2 жыл бұрын
Rob that was something that really made me smile, too. “Stupid instructor tricks” lol
@FirstDagger2 жыл бұрын
23:09 Awesome fly-by of VFA-204 _River_ _Rattlers_ F/A-18s. 41:47 VFA-204 Legacy Hornets with the Aggressor scheme visible. (Modex 400 CAG Bird and 405) 43:50 "Weak" Hornet take off. xD
@cup_and_cone2 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention the MAFFS C-130, Japanese Air Force V-22s undergoing retrofits, the T-38C from Columbus, and the P-3 which I believe is from an ally nation based on livery (can't tell from camera). Always some cool stuff at Stennis.
@Doomsday499 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome, Mover's old squadron.
@merkin222 жыл бұрын
"We'll count both those landings..." :) And just nothing more enjoyable than watching a great teacher and a capable students working together!
@melvinelder35872 жыл бұрын
Keep it up man, every time I watch your videos it’s a new adventure
@moonasha2 жыл бұрын
For anyone interested, here's the procedure for the R44 so you can follow along better: POWER FAILURE ABOVE 500 FEET AGL 1. Lower collective immediately to maintain rotor RPM. 2. Establish a steady glide at approximately 70 KIAS. 3. Adjust collective to keep RPM between 97 and 108% or apply full down collective if light weight prevents attaining above 97%. 4. Select landing spot and, if altitude permits, maneuver so landing will be into wind. 5. A restart may be attempted at pilot’s discretion if sufficient time is available 6. If unable to restart, turn unnecessary switches and fuel valve off. 7. At about 40 feet AGL, begin cyclic flare to reduce rate of descent and forward speed. 8. At about 8 feet AGL, apply forward cyclic to level ship and raise collective just before touchdown to cushion landing. Touch down in level attitude with nose straight ahead.
@OVRxNxOUT2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! A couple questions out of curiosity: What is the typical RPM @ 100% for say this type of aircraft? How much RPM over 100% could the rotor handle? Is there a ‘red’ zone? I’m not a pilot, & never been in a heli, but I find them so interesting. I only fly an RC copter for hobby. Actually I can’t even say I ‘fly’ it, I can hover with the stability of a drunk student pilot.
@Daishi08612 жыл бұрын
@@OVRxNxOUT Every % in an R44 is 4 RPM, so 100% is 400 RPM. 108% RPM is the highest the rotor RPM is permitted to go before an inspection is necessary, but as with anything, there's some engineered-in buffer before the mast would simply snap off.
@OVRxNxOUT2 жыл бұрын
@@Daishi0861 Wow, so that is a lot less RPM than I was expecting for some reason. It makes sense though as out that far the blades are still going extremely fast creating tons & tons of G-force on them. Plus it’s what, considered 1 rotor with 2 blades right? So effectively that’s 800RPM @ the cost of only 400RPM. That’s cool. Thanks for the explanation.
@thatguy70852 жыл бұрын
I switch #2 and #3… I’m more worried about a rotor over speed than aircraft speed.
@thatguy70852 жыл бұрын
And #5… there isn’t time.
@stevebroadbent50802 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Three absolute professionals on board and you guys have produced one of the best instructional videos ever - at least for us light helo / GA type pilots. Kudos to the guy in the left seat for a smoothly moderated style while explaining the margins available and techniques to use them as needed. Great flying from the right seat and YES, nerves of steel in the back. Owned a 44 Raven II and loved it - but NZ instructors were not willing to teach full down autos. So I got that from RHC in Torrance, CA. Then, back in NZ kept myself current (solo) with what the Robinson Pilot Safety course instructors had taught. Yeah I did touch the tail skid once, not heavily, on grass. No damage. Usual standard for training and recurrency in NZ was to flare with power recovery at ~30' however with much steeper approach than you guys were showing. I speculate this was due the mountainous and heavily forested terrain, so an auto might have to be conducted into a tight hole with little or no run on. Luckily never got challenged with that. Related subject - flew FW prior to helicopters. Junior / ab initio NZ instructors hated spin training and avoided it if they could. Incipient, maybe. Developed, oh no "that mild wing drop stall was a spin, y'know". Was lucky enough to get that aspect of training sorted out in Sweden with a top aerobatics guy in a Citabria Decathlon. Sadly Göran passed away later during an air race in Malta. GA, and airline pilot (eg AF447) training curricula seem to be slipping behind where they need to be, IMO.
@axepilot2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Mover. I'm not a helicopter pilot (C-172) but after seeing this video, I find it hard to believe that this is not part of the Private course. This is simple, life saving skills.
@blave5492 жыл бұрын
Autos *are* part of the PPL, at least when I did it in 2001. All could be done with power recovery, but I was lucky enough to have a couple CFIs that were not afraid go Full Down. (resists making snide comments about an ex-girlfriend 😁)
@sickboy4812 жыл бұрын
Yea he says at the beginning - 1st time since his PPL flight test. Auto's are a big part of the PPLH syllabus, you can't practice them solo in a hired aircraft.
@theeatonskbunk2 жыл бұрын
I think you will find the reason full down autos are not done during initial training is the risk they will be done wrong and bend the machine. Better to have a few more hours of experience first. That and the rental costs would double just to cover skid shoe replacement ;-)
@TheMuricanMerc2 жыл бұрын
This is the exact video I needed. Just did my 8th hour since my eye surgery (15.8h total) and I feel like autos are my real achilles heel. Can't wait for good winds to go try out the information in this video. Big thanks Mover and Dr. Paul!
@harrywagner38772 жыл бұрын
You're sure getting some good cards in the chopper quest. Paul could be Lester's brother ! Another excellent instructor.
@et91202 жыл бұрын
That carrier break puts a smile on my face every time.
@NAVYVICK2 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos yet Mover!! And the hornet take off at the end?!?! What a day!!!!!
@edeinzer2 жыл бұрын
Damn Mover this really is amazing. Full down autos are something that so few instructors/schools will teach and everything you said I certainly relate to and I am guessing that most other helicopters also feel the same. Especially your comment about how unprepared you would have been with just your private license if you had an actual mechanical failure. Thanks for doing this.
@resurrectionautorebuilders84652 жыл бұрын
Wow! I feel like I've done a biennial on auto's! Great info, great instructor, great vid. Thanks for bringing us along, Mover.
@josephstevens98882 жыл бұрын
Dr. Salmon appears to be an excellent instructor!
@jason14402 жыл бұрын
Training gold right there. Good stuff.
@Garythefireman662 жыл бұрын
That looked like a lot of work, but also a lot of fun. Hornets are always a bonus as is Stephanie 🚁
@level18042 жыл бұрын
MOVER getting a fly by. ❤️ That was brilliant! Kudos to the squadron!
@WickedMoto2 жыл бұрын
this video shows the difference between someone who just wants to get a PPL and one who understands the importance of continuing training beyond the minimum. let this be a lesson to those striving for a ppl even in a cessna, to continue to further your training in any form of recovering beyond PPL instruction. it just may save the passengers life and yours! mover, awesome video, i knew that had to hit a soft spot in your heart wishing you were still in the F18 seat. while that will never depart your senses, its a beautiful thing you had experienced those opportunities in your serving, that millions of us wish we could have. keep the content coming! it helps with my depression im dealing with right now so thank you for the amount of work you put into your videos. its greatly appreciated and does not go unnoticed
@therocinante34432 жыл бұрын
I really like that gyro stabilized camera! It really makes it.
@stuarttempleton432 жыл бұрын
Cool video Mover - really interesting the depths they go to in CPL training, like you said, I'm surprised you don't learn all that in the PPL course. Stephanie was very cool in the back, I hope she got a good meal to make up for it :-D Looking forward to the next one.
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
This is not required for anything other than CFI training, which is a shame to me. We weren't doing it for the purpose of any rating - just the experience and knowledge.
@spigot9932 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine Time at stick and pedal is gold, thanks Mover for sharing.
@JF-lt5zc2 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine No better reason needed.
@stuarttempleton432 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine That's the best reason really. It does remind me of the conversations I used to have with the CFI on the airfield I used to work on - I could never understand why they removed spin recovery training from the PPL syllabus - something that could save somebody's life? Never made any sense to me. Keep doing what your doing, always great to watch your stuff. Currently working my way through your interviews and loving them and I've just finished Executive Reaction - good stuff!
@lynnecheermom2 жыл бұрын
Excellent instructor. Interesting video learning techniques.
@LawDawg7172 жыл бұрын
As a rotor guy, I could never land a fixed wing. I always wanted to hover the plane on the numbers and my CFI would have to slam the power in before we dropped out of the sky. And you're doing great! Everything in a Robinson is exaggerated because they're so extremely light. You ever fly a heavier helicopter and you'll be amazed how much easier it is. Most of my time is in a '58.
@MeatandTatersGaming542 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video I understand helicopters a little better now.
@spigot9932 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mover, this video is knowledge dense, no fluff, meant as a complement; superb!
@Mike7478F2 жыл бұрын
This video training with the Dr of Helicopters was amazing. I learnt things.
@DepronX2 жыл бұрын
wow! really cool video! i've never seen the sliding landing. really cool to watch you learn this technique. can't wait for the next one
@GeekFurious2 жыл бұрын
River 11 gotta show off. ;) Whenever we had fighters land at our airport they always did some kind of show for us.
@F3PIZZA2 жыл бұрын
Wow Lester looks great! Did he change his skin care routine?
@gregson992 жыл бұрын
lol🤣
@arthurpearson34072 жыл бұрын
You’ve come a long way since you got the ticket and you can see the smoothness in your flying.
@waltmooredanwilson87542 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I enjoyed watching. Thanks for sharing. Take care and God Bless.
@williammccormick9662 жыл бұрын
AMAZING INGENUITY AND MASTER INSRUCTOR USING BLADEPOWER 😍
@stingerdcs4352 жыл бұрын
Another awesome episode!!!!
@markaoslo56532 жыл бұрын
I guess they don't call them _"skids",_ for nothing... He's not Lester though, I'm enjoying the different styles and, the specifics (instructions/guidance) on the _"Full-Down"_ auto-rotations - @Charlie-Whiskey, you're building quite the _"tapestry"_ of training - Paul, has a good sense of practicality and humor, too - glad Stephanie, was along for this, as well! Happy 4th Thursday, November, 08.39 Zulu - _"73"_ and out- (Edit) I forgot to mention... the F/A-18's _"Hornets"_ didn't hurt the 'show' one bit - it's tough that it made you _"sad"_ (I get the gist) but... you've done that (and more) and, now this too... _"your pockets ain't empty"_ my friend - Fast and Furious-
@oldftrpilot25932 жыл бұрын
Nice flying. Thanks for throwing in the Hornets.
@NJ-Tech2 жыл бұрын
this video was incredible, and so valuable from a genuinely fantastic instructor. Keep the great content coming!
@schecter6l62 жыл бұрын
Wow that was some wonderful training right there! If anything to instill even more confidence that if you get an engine out it's not anything you cannot handle. Getting those muscle memory items in place and just hope the weather is not blowing too hard! Thanks C.W
@Darko72 жыл бұрын
Great flying and video. That instructor was top notch.
@gtr19522 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting!! I didn't know they would porpoise on the skids!?! And/or touch the rotor down?! Have to check the 'fruit of the looms' after one of those!! I could just hear Lester now! LOL 8) --gary
@suninmoon46012 жыл бұрын
Pleasure form start to finish 💪
@TiJayFLY2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing these full lesson videos with us, incredibly interesting and entertaining stuff
@stephengraham86292 жыл бұрын
Woah that was amazing watching that training it gave me so much more insight to getting a Helo down. Im not a pilot, just a HGV driver, but I love aviation. CW keep up the good work, looking forward to more vids.
@AllanFolm2 жыл бұрын
When you land, and shut down the engine, there's still a lot of energy in the rotor. For how long do you have to "fly" the aircraft, before the energy decays below a point, where it no longer can affect the aircraft in a dangerous way?
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
On the R-44, you disengage the clutch before shutdown, then wait 30 seconds after shutdown before engaging the rotor brake.
@stevebroadbent50802 жыл бұрын
There is a lot more energy reserve in the aircraft fwd speed. Robinson helos are well known for low inertia rotor systems - there is actually very little reserve energy in the rotor. Not a problem - just fly the profile and all is well.
@gwfowler2 жыл бұрын
R-44 has decent inertia, the R-22, not so much. The 44 autos a lot like a Bell 206.
@stevebroadbent50802 жыл бұрын
@@gwfowler True.
@marcs9902 жыл бұрын
@@stevebroadbent5080 I think he is just asking how long after engine shutdown , not after any kind of autorotation etc. I might me wrong but that’s how it reads to me. The answer to me would be that it’s airframe dependent
@Doug_Narby2 жыл бұрын
either those shoes are way more slippery than I think or this really shows how much energy is in the system when you land - that's a LOT of sliding
@charliemarren87242 жыл бұрын
Yeah holding the collective up makes it slide pretty far. You can save some shoes on the skids by lowering collective slowly while sliding across the pavement and it’ll slow the aircraft to a stop more quickly but the shoes are made for it so whatever is safest for the situation.
@chinookmech2 жыл бұрын
Stephanie talking about her " Rucker days" I use to work on the 58s there and we replaced a lot of skid shoes.
@terryrsh89272 жыл бұрын
wow, this is such a cool collaboration
@Maccer2292 жыл бұрын
Spectacular!
@gregson992 жыл бұрын
definitely alot of different energies you have to manage all at once. Looks fun skidding in though:)
@Parawingdelta22 жыл бұрын
I think Stephanie was quite brave even though I'm sure she was confident in the fact that she was in two good pairs of hands. I'm not sure everybody would jump at the chance of being a passenger when someone's practicing emergency procedures.
@chadddaddy2282 жыл бұрын
I work on both sides of the airfield at tyonek and millionair and I have not met you once. Maybe next time you fly in we could meet ill buy lunch at the Cafe. Have watched you for years and enjoy your videos.
@sneeks2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and those Hornets are fantastic. Steph only there for moral support, I’d guess with her career she is well versed in these techniques?
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
She was there for the training. She observed and then went out and did them herself.
@sneeks2 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine Oh excellent, thanks for the reply. I could feel your sadness watching those Hornets. On the plus side you have the benefit of having flown those and other awesome aircraft, something many of us can only dream of.
@MrCyp200la2 жыл бұрын
That's one great instructor..😳👍
@ted17282 жыл бұрын
Loved that one!!
@JayEss4142 жыл бұрын
great video , good flying
@bleeckertb2 жыл бұрын
great stuff mover, i've been struggling with doing huey autorotation in DCS, haven't lived through one yet, but this information fills in some gaps, a real step by step would be even better
@moonasha2 жыл бұрын
if you want a step by step, I'm sure there's a manual for the huey out there that goes through emergency procedures
@bleeckertb2 жыл бұрын
@@moonasha reading how to do it isn't the same as having someone who knows how to do it instructing you, i've already read the manual and plenty of other material, thanks for assuming incorrectly, probably why mover went to an instructor
@Doug_Narby2 жыл бұрын
I found this video helped a lot with both Huey and MI8. Focus on not dropping or raising the nose any more than necessary.
@steveramsey49992 жыл бұрын
I used to work in AIMD and would fix black boxes on those River Rattler Aircraft, Though the P3's sent us much more to do :) Go Navy!!
@wshakes36612 жыл бұрын
CW. Go’s in top ten list. Cool autos w/pavement sliding, Natalie, and F18s. What more do you need
@melvinelder35872 жыл бұрын
Ahh shoot, I haven’t seen steph without a flight suit on lol
@Jasonx98972 жыл бұрын
do you practice flame out landings in fighters like helos practice autorotations? or is strictly a procedure
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@rammstein19032 жыл бұрын
That looks like some really nice instruction
@HaroldCombs2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@moonasha2 жыл бұрын
it is insane 37:58 you'd think this would be part of a license, because it can literally save your life. And your passenger's life. The timing for when to pull collective and etc is not something you can learn on the fly(okay that's a pun I guess), you absolutely need to train for it
@rsjanko2 жыл бұрын
Good instructor!
@Yama450YZF2 жыл бұрын
Great video Mover
@paulne15142 жыл бұрын
Wow! Was very impressed. Never had a ride in a helicopter before! Excellent instructor. Am thinking maybe I should have been a pilot instead of a truck driver! You don’t have idiots cutting in front of you and stopping, nobody giving you the finger, blowing the horn, dot stopping you, costly you money. The school where I learned to drive, just had empty box trailers and they didn’t explain stuff. Driving schools should be on a closed airport where there is plenty of room. With a long runway, they could show students how long it takes to panic stop, with different kinds of trucks. Was real jealous of all the room you had and how many times you were allowed to practice. Don’t know if I would still be jealous about flying at night or in snowy weather. Do you have rainx on the windscreen? Does that helicopter have doors that you can put on? How can you tell which way the wind is coming from? Is autorotation part of your license?
@keeppressing20512 жыл бұрын
Practicing this maneuver has to be nerve wracking!
@Chief351L2 жыл бұрын
C.W. Lemoine; Curious to know what you think your tendency to pull nose-up is from, maybe fixed-wing muscle memory? Just watching the skid angle on the auto at 27:00 is definitely got a little pucker in that one! Haha I’d like to know how you setup that flight of F-18’s to coincide with the Auto Videos?!! LoL. Nice Job!
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
It's not a tendency to pull nose up. It's a tendency to not want to push over. And it's from being in a nose high attitude (flare) to what feels like nose forward. It doesn't feel level.
@Chief351L2 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine Yea I can see that point of view for sure and depending on what equipment you’re flying with that will change for sure with the heli’s stance. Looks like you’re having a good time and that’s important!
@AmericanAbsolute2 жыл бұрын
You got this!
@Hawkeye69362 жыл бұрын
NICE Mover !
@kevinwarren39982 жыл бұрын
Soooo jealous. I have to do some full down training soon. I will say with the run-on landings keeping the nose down feels very unnatural for me coming from a fixed wing background.
@ronmoore58272 жыл бұрын
It's been 40 years but the Huey crew chief in me still cringes at those touch down autos on pavement!
@hansangb2 жыл бұрын
Man, that's a lot of pucker factor going on right there!
@cybersecadventures011232 жыл бұрын
This should be exciting...
@TheBks5732 жыл бұрын
one tango bravo!
@krisjs17672 жыл бұрын
Autos are the ultimate proficiency maneuver.
@indyjons3212 жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to do full downs with my instructor before he got a big boy pilot job. I honestly don’t know why it’s not taught at the private level.
@leonswan67332 жыл бұрын
Good Training A+
@kenmeyer1002 жыл бұрын
Stephanie is courageously sitting in the pax compartment. I am a bit surprised that the FAA rules do allow for that
@forrestdeak3514 ай бұрын
nice job checking carb heat in the raven 😂
@tedm.39612 жыл бұрын
Awesome instruction, 😥for the Hornet.
@johnaikema10552 жыл бұрын
great training. what I think is hairy is touching one skid on a 30 degree slope while still keeping the helicopter in a hover with the other skid still well off the ground...just not Natural.
@mrdrewww2 жыл бұрын
Nice man!
@rickjames3022 жыл бұрын
youre in my neck of the woods. went to highschool right next door
@ik042 жыл бұрын
I did not know that the R-44 would bring the throttle back up automatically with the collective after rolling it off during an auto. I'm not a Robinson guy, so that is good to know.
@ryanbabb48572 жыл бұрын
I thought all the legacy hornets were retired. Nice to see them still flying.
@nathanlovellcfi2 жыл бұрын
4000 hr helicopter CFI here with real world forced landing experience. These are smoothly executed with ineffective technique. I don't know the density altitude/weight/wind variables so I can't say zero ground run is possible, but the length of that ground run is somewhat shocking in an R44. This is a guaranteed roll-over on anything other than an excellent surface. If you are in pilot training I beg you to find an instructor that's willing to teach you maximum reasonable flare effect and minimum ground run autorotation. Engine out to an unimproved surface, ground run = danger.
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
Dr Salmon is a 15000 hr CFI. This was day 1 of 3. Your comment is unnecessary.
@jamesbanditpudgy1942 жыл бұрын
Awesome didn't know that you could do that in helos
@Jacmac12 жыл бұрын
Man if you weren't doing that on a hard flat surface, that would be really scary. I can't imagine if you have to go down on grass or sand.
@stevebroadbent50802 жыл бұрын
Actually easier on grass, not sure about soft sand, but if that was the case just pitch back a bit further on contact and benefit from the braking action.
@adb0122 жыл бұрын
How many times can you do this before it's time to replace the skids?
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
Skid shoes can take 200-300 before needing to be replaced
@adb0122 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine ... Cool, I didn't know that the skids had sacrificial shoes that can be replaced. It does make a lot of sense, vs replacing the whole skid.
@heefie86592 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I can hear 1TB and not think of stevo
@tbled522 жыл бұрын
how do these CFIs stay so calm? I know its helps the student and they do it all the time but sheesh that would be nerve wracking.
@youtert2 жыл бұрын
"R44 for sale, barely used, hardly a scratch on it"
@Chris_Martin7072 жыл бұрын
In the auto's, when you say say 3-2-1 down, am I the only one saying in my head, "right, aft"?
@thusharikabotheju56552 жыл бұрын
I am now a DCS huey autorotation expert
@ChannelJanis2 жыл бұрын
I would try to follow the F-18 jets even I know it would be like chasing race car on a bicycle.
@alec_f12 жыл бұрын
Scary stuff!
@jra4e2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the C-130 guys stopped what they were doing every time the heard the skids.
@Tr0nzoid2 жыл бұрын
How do you control those cameras while flying?
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
I don’t.
@youtert2 жыл бұрын
They record in all directions at once and then later you can choose what angle to put in the video.
@Tr0nzoid2 жыл бұрын
@@youtert Thanks. I was curious about that. I need to get that type of camera for driving.
@chrisjeneson37632 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a simple like just doesn't seem enough.
@WALTERBROADDUS2 жыл бұрын
Does autorotation actually do anything? The list of chopper crashes seems endless. And it never seems to come in play.🤔
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Saves your life and possibly the aircraft
@aviationdoge86992 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine doubt that
@jacebyrum24952 жыл бұрын
The instructor in the video, Paul, is my instructor. Believe it or not he had to make an actual autorotation in California a few weeks ago. There are cases upon cases upon cases of autorotations saving both lives and helicopters but you of course don’t hear about a successful autorotation on the news, only the tragic failures.
@CWLemoine2 жыл бұрын
Doubt that based on what? Paul himself has done many successful autos.
@WALTERBROADDUS2 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine Okay then. Just seems rarely in play.
@mattnsac2 жыл бұрын
Mover, I understand that feeling that youre not doing what you used to. Being pit crew instead of driver is just holding on to whatever you can.