Engineering Is Star Citizen's Next Controversial Feature, But Will It Really Be That Bad?

[@Fuar11]

We NEED higher ammo capacity for ballistics or at least storing extra ammo in your ship.

[@Hav0k]

Magazines that can be reloaded would be a great implementation.

[@SmokeWiseGanja]

as a Perseus owner, this is a must. If I can't reload the big guns and torpedos, it cuts down on my ability to stay in a fight.

[@Verbose_Mode]

I feel like that's also a part of the boxes and logistics: getting a crate of ammo that you can have an engineer load: You can plan to use downtime to rearm without going back to a base.

[@Hav0k]

@Verbose_Mode this would be pretty incredible to see to be honest. Having an extra player, outside of the engineer, on board a Hammerhead with ballistic weapons, running around and resupplying turrets with ammo would he amazing.

[@Verbose_Mode]

@@Hav0k - I imagine it might be like that on really big ships, yeah, but most of the time it will be a "land and get out to load the thing" deal. You can't reload the A-10 Warthog's gun mid-flight. We already have that with some orgs and missiles and bombs. They'll have their fighter/bombers, and then a logi ship with a cargo hold of ordinance to rearm them landed a little outside the combat zone so the fighters only have to make a short trip rather than all the way back to a base. Imagine that but also with heavy-duty repair guns (mech-mounted?), spare components and ammo crates as well. A smart team with good logi could be in a fight WAY longer than a bunch of hooligans' without support.

[@NarattoRadians]

The time sink will be fine when we're deep in space looking for content. Ship maintenance should be seen as a part of exploration.

[@rooster1012]

CIG already stated that ships not in combat will fly and behave as they do now simple maintenance can be done in space stations just like we do now, people are blowing this out of proportion the only real thing changing is the time to kill a ship which will take longer and that is a good thing.

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

This x10000 would love to pass the time in QT doing ship maint. Patching holes, fixing items. Also gives crew something to do between combat. The idea you should be able to solo multi crew ships is the problem not this. There are plenty of low/single crew ships out there. I've personally have been rearranging my fleet to better support low/no crew gameplay when I'm by myself and leveraging my orgs larger or capitol class ships. Personally I would never own a carrack or larger size ship unless it was in service of an org.

[@helloitsjay38]

I think high stress maneuvers should wear on systems a little bit like boosting, exposure to weather conditions on planets and moons, any rough landings. I hope driving casually doesn't just wear down components turning them all into little gauges to watch like hydrogen and quant.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The people who wrote food and hydration timers are writing the maintenance timers.

[@helloitsjay38]

@@Kyle-sr6jm merp.

[@TrustableGuy]

It would be really cool if they could intigrate a separate command "screen" that matches your ship controls that could be dragged independently to a 2nd monitor. Almost like a pop out window for ship module screens.

[@georgek2574]

Not having your ship explode every 5 min will be a much welcome change

[@LeftJoystick]

That sounds like user error. I haven’t had a random ship explosion for all of 3.24.

[@georgek2574]

@@LeftJoystick it was an exaggeration... regardless my point stands having your ships not explode when ship health reaches zero is a much welcome change

[@mayoluck]

​@@LeftJoystickhad several, friends have had several but hey guess they dont happen.

[@furyiv]

@@georgek2574 ship exploding every time is the biggest time sink right?

[@georgek2574]

@@furyiv it’s an annoyance and makes for bad gameplay. What is your point?

[@Memeguppy]

Finally something to do when making long quantum jumps or have friends in your ship out of combat

[@hanthostaal7131]

I'm extremely pleased to start seeing these things finally coming to fruition.

[@zolmazzoboto6085]

Hilarious how people were clamoring for personal hangers, and now that we have them they all act like it's always been there. We just fell into line. As a beta tester for about ten years I'm in my element and like this game/simulation a lot.

[@CBadger]

In regards to the salvage point you make. I have often seen myself as a scrapper in a future ideal of Star Citizen, with my own outpost, taking components from wrecks, repairing and selling them on the cheap to other players for profit. As well as charging players for repair and refuel at my outpost. I think it could be a legitimate gameplay style in future.

[@Dominus4776]

I wouldn't mind being able to make a few presets. I really like medium ships but dont really play with others. If they add hire npcs at the same time it wouldn't be too bad

[@Reducer]

What I've been wondering is if this focus on damaging components mean that projectiles actually pass through the ship... and if you can end up taking out crew with a single lucky shot.

[@MattyG_o7]

CIG addressed this a while back, weapons can damage hull armor and components, and rounds penetrating your hull will be visible, but it isn't possible to damage a player this way.

[@r.wallaby6490]

@@MattyG_o7 Honestly, I think it would be cool if it did, but I get why they've said it can't

[@ONYX1768]

I think the main concern with engineering for myself has less to do with engineering and more so to do with the fact that through virtue of mission payouts being split between party members solo play drastically outpaces in most game loops you can do with a group. I imagine its going to be just as hard to get other players to crew aboard your ship as it is now in most instances. I think a payout system for missions should consist of giving lets say 4 party members the same pay for basic tier missions and only if they're over the recommended party size only then do they take a major hit to rep and credits for mission time. If the mission is hard enough to justify that recommended party size being upped they can do that on a case by case basis. adding one additional person to a party doesn't double your mission speed, adding 4 doesn't quarter it. Realistically If you just bump mission payouts to enable co-op play you'd still have the problem that solo is still the best way to go hands down. Credit rewards for completing missions relative to their difficulty is always going to have a soft cap on it to prevent overtly expeditious grind. Having a system akin to what i've proposed allows for a more reasonable truncation of rewards in such a way that still allows them to be rewarding. I personally think engineering gameplay is super essential however for even a modest sized ship like the corsair even modest damage to your ship can cost you 100's of thousands of credits. Couple that with the fact that the cost of repair can be so high you may just not ever use a multicrew ship for 90% of the games content. You can quickly run into the red while crewing a ship like the corsair.

[@Brosion99]

if i interpret CIG correctly engineering and other mechanics like personal health are supposed to be balanced in a way that they dont end up being a tedious job you have to do nonstop to survive, but rather a way to extend your life in the verse as without those mechanics your character/ship would die much sooner. Meaning theyre not supposed to be gameloops to keep you occupied, but rather gameloops to extend your gameplay without the need to resapwn, making death of a spaceman more viable in a complex game like this. I could be wrong and its probably also intended as a balancing pass for small and large ships/ solo crews and multi crews alike, but i think their main goal is to make dieing less common without making the game/ hits you need to take to go down unrealistic.

[@CitizenScott]

Yeah I think that's their goal for sure. How it works in practice is another thing. Fingers crossed.

[@rooster1012]

That is exactly what they stated just wish people would learn to listen before whining every time.

[@morganlefay-k4c]

You are spitting facts so some types of people may be angry. I'm looking forward to seeing how engineering will affect a player day to day. Also I think how degrade and wear will improve the overall experience, I mean more things to do but not a tedious thing to do.

[@Power5]

Yeah but instead of giving a boost for staying hydrated and fed, like better stamina, we instead have to drink every few hours or we die. Not get tired very easily just by walking with armor and gear, we die. 7 Days to Die survival game was able to do this and it came out 10 years ago just after SC went into production following the kickstarter... I should not need to drink water while wearing a temperature controlled space suit. If I am on Hurston, being cooked, I should need water every couple hours to stay hydrated.

[@morganlefay-k4c]

@@Power5 I don't have a problem with water and food, also stamine. But for example I'm using a light suit when I'm doing mining solo with a Mole, I can go like 2-3 hours without drinking and more without eating. Take in consideration that using a heavy suit will impact how fast the thirst will increase also I think the environment can affect this but I didn't really pay attention to that

[@sketto1283]

Time sink is a problem. At the same time, enjoying the process of heading out to do a task can be rewarding. At least to me.

[@Sgt_Hest]

Sure it is, to some extend...

[@1scrub2]

When the 'Verse is fully implemented, AI, groups of peeps and NPC's doing their own things, it will not be a time sink, it will be opportunity for events to naturally roll into each other. This is when the game will start to breathe and we can say 'It's alive!'

[@sketto1283]

@@1scrub2 Exactly! This first iteration of cargo refactor has got me in planning a preparing mode. Even with spreadsheet ship manifest and such!!

[@ryanwilsey7481]

Was not expecting to see a Chicago reference tossed in here but I’m here for it.

[@Sealreth]

have not liked the gear/character inventory change personally it just adds more hassle with no payoff in imersion. it really is not breaking suspension of disbelieve to have a classical MMO like character screen to equip stuff and having big pockets if it increases playability and fun, I hope this 'engineering 'tedium'' feature one is going to be better for me. I think it will be better as to me this makes more sense as a gameplay mechanic compared to what they done to moving gear to access points.

[@morganlefay-k4c]

Different opionions. I like what they are trying to do, but in the current state some things are too tedious to do. I don't have a problem with kiosks but i don't like how the looting is now. Maybe they can make a 1scu box the be pliable and be able to carry in a backpack so we can use it when we want to loot something from a bunker, with this we only need to carry that box outside the bunker and not do with both ways

[@JClif]

Great video explaining how engineering will probably work in the future. I for one is excited for this gameplay mechanic.

[@bwest0411]

Sounds amazing. I love intricate systems and it will definitely add to the over all realism. I could see it making one ship more efficient and more fun for you and your mates instead of everyone flying their own ship to an outing of some sorts. Can’t wait

[@FrazzleCat]

I'm excited to see this coming into the game. It makes the ships seem so much more real, and adds actual gameplay to the ships themselves both big and small. There's nothing but pros with this.

[@faith4760]

i wasnt realy intrested in engineering before but now i am , lets just hope CIG dont take 2 years to fully implement it

[@CitizenScott]

I say lets hope it ONLY takes 2 years to fully implement! lol

[@morganlefay-k4c]

implement it sure, fully implement it maybe more than 2 years. If we get crafting and base building also quanta next year or 2 most of the base system will be in place and then they can focus on 1.0 or just improve the current systems. For now the priority is to implement all the base features and improve afterwards

[@dylanprinsloo5568]

i think what i like is that multi crew will be more popular than multi ship gameplay. except for fighter ships

[@dumpylumpo5525]

I just hope theres a good balance of difficulty and fun

[@Bluewolf1118]

I'm super looking forward to this change. Regardless of which ship I use, it's going to change how we even think about our ships. I can't wait until insurance claims become a very infrequent thing.

[@everythingpony]

I'm not looking forward to insurance claims costing real life money?

[@r.wallaby6490]

@@everythingpony Where did you get that idiotic idea from?

[@stratcat3216]

TBH a "Rock, Paper, Scissor" type of balancing would be sweet with regards to weapons, defenses, tactics, builds, etc.

[@Viktoria_Thaelin]

corsair already changed so the doors only open AND close when you push the button. I like that.

[@johnokean8216]

I have been looking forward to this moment for years. I want it to be a hassle to fly my ship. I want it to be hard and perilous. That’s what space is. I want to feel like I’m in danger all the time and like all my ducks have to be in a row before I embark on my next journey.

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

You must be a real joy to be around....

[@johnokean8216]

@@0PsychosisMedia0 damn who hurt you bro

[@rooster1012]

That is not how it will be nothing is changing other than it will take longer to kill your ship.

[@Brendan2097]

Then why would you bother going into space? In space IP's like Star Wars, space travel is supposed to be like driving a car between cities is IRL... A normal, fairly mundane endeavour, not like organising a 10 week yachting voyage from Sydney Australia to the Cape in South Africa.

[@johnokean8216]

@@Brendan2097 for me personally? Just for the adventure. I’ve always felt grandiose scale of mystery and adventure playing SC and I hope it stays that way.

[@csion8368]

For this playing solo in large ships or that get disabled I could see this leading to engineering repair beacons similar to med beacons.

[@DeadlyInsite]

Very much looking forward to Engineering and systems in general. I bought and viewed SC as more sim and deep complex and risky/dangerous gameplay than arcade. That dream, for me at least, is finally materializeing😊

[@NotUnymous]

I for once love CIGs Interpretation of engineering. Its great. Its true multicrew. Its gameplayloop. Its tension in a fight between big ships.

[@leesakowski790]

I haven’t heard anything else about batteries, past a few shots of battery storage areas. Do we know what the plan is for them?

[@Asgar1205]

I would love to know if sub components are still gonna be a thing like they used to show years and years ago. Loved what they showed back then, and the ability to improve components with better sub components to upgrade and fine tune our ships

[@OrderOfOmphalos]

This is exactly the multi crew considerations we need in Star Citizen. It's what has been missing from all other games, true immersion. Honestly, I'll probably spend several months just being an engineer, as I'm sure it will be an in demand job for those that don't understand it themselves.

[@subklueless]

Im excited about it. My only worry is how tedious it will be but I inagine some balabce will be had once we test it.

[@AerodyContent]

Maybe I missed it, but does anybody know if there is some kind of levels of access to your ship. So not that everyone on your ship can turn off gravity or turn off life support.

[@1scrub2]

That is coming soon, already they have engineering stations where they can lock-out the Pilot and only the engineering station can make changes.

[@zolmazzoboto6085]

I like how you, the player, will be able to choose your gameplay level. This means noobs can fly out of the box, and veteran players with crews can own their own adventures though planning and execution. No easy buttons for high end gameplay is what I'm pledging for. +1

[@Matrix1Gamer]

CIG is adding many new features, but most players are prioritizing optimization and server stability. I believe that features like component failure and complex engineering systems might limit solo gameplay options.

[@davidhaught-rn1wg]

My biggest concern is that engineering could turn into a tedious game of whack-a-mole. CIG's seeming association of tedious gameplay with "immersion" leaves me ... still concerned. I'd like to see some mention of component storage for spares.

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

Exactly

[@julienzacharias9540]

It would be tedious if the components break down all the time for no reason. But I'm sure it'll be balanced. Engineering is needed to make large ship balanced. I don't want a verse where every player solo fly a polaris. It's not realistic and sure the meaning of realistic in SC will be different to each player but I'm stocked that I will have to look after my ships, that I will have meaningful choices to make. That's what I'm looking for the most in this game, and if you don't, it's okay, just hire an engineer on your ship, you know what I mean?

[@morganlefay-k4c]

​@@julienzacharias9540this, and also we need more types of components and with engineering and preexisting pressets we can make a ship feel ours. Also I don't believe that engineering will be tedious. If we are piloting a big ship (5-10 player crew) of course that will be tedious. But a medium ship C1, or Zeus will be doable to do solo.

[@merclord]

I suspect CIG is going to remove some of the grade A components/weapons from the shops in Stanton and force players to risk everything to get them in Pyro. That's good news for me because I'll bring those items back to Stanton and make a fortune.

[@donnytheflow]

my question is are you able to move components by hand and more crucially to some kind of transport to move multiple at once? I look at all the tractor beam gameplay and can't help but think "damn... one at a time everything"

[@rolinthor]

I’ve been down on CIG a lot lately (well deserved), but I’m looking forward to this-provided the gameplay isn’t just running around replacing fuses or pressing buttons, kinda like the gameplay with those annoying server missions from a few months ago.

[@rxdcyphxr657]

I wish we could get a GoPro in game like VTOL VR or like an in-game camera to put somewhere if you want to record an adventure or like a blog 😅

[@AbangSyaft]

Im thinking of 2 things, when ships soft death, you cant target it anymore. Or when it soft death, that would be it and shooting it wont effect it further. - That will stop us from destroying the ship so in Bounty Hunter v2, we can board the ship safely and neutralize enemies with non-lethal weapons.

[@benlee8225]

or have non lethal ship weapons not beable to damage ship further after soft death. or have soft death have a huge hp pool but think have a threshhold like in soft death state only damage above say 50 can bypass and contenue damaging. So a crash landing doesnt automaticly mean explosion if hit from orbit yes but if come in slideing the dps of grinding against the ground never reaches over 50 or so on

[@JFrombaugh]

The biggest thing for me is the move away from ships exploding at 0 health, and linking this to the power plant instead. The refueling & repair mechanics have already been in the game for awhile now but they have so little relevance in an actual combat situation that most players don't even know about them. So one of my fears all along with Resource Management has been that unless CIG move away from the current "ship go boom" system and really go out of their way to encourage actual boarding gameplay then most players won't even know or care.

[@themarveluniverseonline]

For single-player ships it's great that you will be able to recover your ship after a fight, but those who solo with multicrew ships to enjoy the firepower and health of a larger ship are gonna be at a disadvantage.

[@--Valek--]

I'm still scare to get out of my seat while in QT lol

[@everythingpony]

13:07 oh cool. So now if my engineers and stuff dies and there's only the janitor the janitor can't do anything. Great idea

[@the_steamtrain1642]

tbh, a big portion of this game was the fantasy around it, everyone could imagine their ideal game but now as systems are being finalised / implemented we'll see some of these imaginary worlds crumble

[@Tainted-Soul]

I hope your right . I also don't fancy getting shot of the pilot seat either

[@shinix5209]

When I pledge star citizen was a space ship fighter game with fps and racing with some cargo hauling to make money or piracy. All these years later it just seems like the game is going to feel more like a 2nd job or life to maintain.

[@Buk86]

what is the best and biggest ship for a solo player? vanguard? corsair?

[@moustrout1299]

I wonder if ships like the ares would become stronger after this change if the rounds simply pass through multiple components on smaller vessels.

[@xVoidCypher]

With the advancement in the field of AI, I could see artificially intelligent NPC crews in the future. These all seem like exciting changes to me

[@SpaceTomato]

That would be very cool!

[@Tao74O]

Ruin? Those are amazing features. You can count well made multi crew games on fingers. What's the point of flying a big ship online if crew roles, other than pilot, are not fully fleshed out? More mechanics like that = more crew actually needed on biggies as you get more actual gameplay. That's cool!

[@jeffbangle4710]

The devs were recently talking about an "interim" ship armor feature. I thought SQ42 was "Feature Complete" last year. Does this mean that SQ42 doesn't have ship armor?

[@vakeervondelecruax8526]

It will be a matter of tuning and ballancing. Guessing the end game grind will be high quality and robust componets....

[@TarosDi]

My one concern here is that it is inevitable that some part of this feature will break. 100% of patches have in some way broken an already working feature, without fail, even if that feature was not touched by the patch. Increasing the complexity of managing your ships and keeping them working while any patch may break core functionality is a recipe for disaster. It'll be awesome, but it is going to break, and likely more than once.

[@mattvmalone]

That's what happens when a game is in development 😂

[@KC8DKT]

I have not had my ship just randomly go boom in a long time but, I have done a claim because the shields just stopped working, the gun would not fire, or the sec I power it on it would bitch about heat and turn off. If they cannot keep what we have now working this could turn into a HUGE mess fast... Hell, I cannot get into the front/back ramps from the outside of my C2 for well over a year now. The btn is too high on flat ground "Hanger" but if you park it on a hill just right the btns work so it's just a simple range thing and they cannot get it right.

[@ericwollaston5654]

Agreed. But it is all about worrying towards that final patch before commercial release. Hope it's good by then, right?

[@KC8DKT]

@@ericwollaston5654 We can only hope.

[@DustinHarms]

I'm all in for Engineering, and I'm pretty happy with their direction with it. A good amount of complexity - we'll see how the balance goes - but altogether, it's the most excited I've been for a newcoming feature since 2016. If they manage to do as well with science & exploration, I'll at least know a part of SC that is "my jam."

[@jasonrd316]

I feel like I'm missing something...maybe someone can help me with this - if we want ships to feel more like long term homes through persistence, why is bedlogging being removed?

[@brainiac10]

I have a lot of small ships. Not anything big. But they all seem to have a 1 scu empty area in the cargo bay. I assumed this would someday be used to load ammo into the ship from said cargo bay. But who tf knows!

[@piejack2]

Sounds ridiculously COMPLICATED 😮

[@louieavi]

So a serious question.... CIG took away ship storage and many cargo boxes cant be loaded on many smaller ships to store components in. In addition there are many ships that you cant pull components out to replace. Im still not believing CIG has yet thought it all out.

[@alexkidpaum6331]

I think they need to continu on the risk/reward concept

[@emperor_pewpew2903]

So basically us big space ship flyers are being force to ay with others..or not play their big ships until they give us (maybe) A.I crews?

[@benlee8225]

thats where i want this to go near the 12 min mark. find a derelict in space fix it up have crew fly it back or even upgrade your ingame ship then land it and license it or claim it as your own maybe not with full insurance like bought with real money aka your starter ship and or ones bought at the koisk. but have a copy of that ship that has limited insurance or higher costing insurance. OR have it long as you can keep it repaired

[@JI_JOE]

CIG is forgetting that it's a game at the end of the day. As life catches on most of us only have an hour or two to play. It already takes half an hour to get ready for a mission. They should know where to draw the line when it comes to realism.

[@shizuoheiw]

I think SC this needs to be engaging in all scenarios, otherwise we'll just get a really enaging FPS with space transitions between FPS moments/encounters, engineering and space complexity is good

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

Im working on a video about star citizen, would you be interested in being featured in it?

[@SpaceTomato]

Hey! Can you shoot me an email at the address on this channel with some more details? Thank you!

[@brickstonesonn9276]

Star Citizen needs little time sinks for when traveling through quantum space: Similar to how Sea of Thieves have little time sinks while sailing (steering the ship, adjusting the mast, etc.) This is especially important for space trucking. Unlike in real trucking or trucking sims, there is no road to follow and no cars (obstacles) to avoid. Not to mention there's no unique vistas to gawk at, and no atmospherics to chill to; it's all just space + the quantum travel effects the entire way through. Space trucking, by its nature, has way less gameplay and visuals than normal trucking. So Star Citizen has to fill the void somehow. Otherwise, cargo hauling will be less about being a space trucker and is instead going to be more about being a hangar box mover. Engineering gameplay could be a big step towards this direction. Adding gameplay to the space travel part of the space game.

[@morganlefay-k4c]

True, also, we need some advance and disadvantages for every profession. For example a cargo ship, some components will wear out faster than another type of ship. And also they need to implement components that give some advances in expense of quality. For example the quantum drive XL-1 should wear faster than a slower drive or something like this

[@SOGBulldog]

I believe that the engineering will add some depth to the simulation side of the verse, but I don't think that it'll be totally overwhelming. That is unless someone is trying to solo a capital ship and hasn't done any kind of maintenance on it. If we consider the different verses in Sci fi what universe doesn't have its ships and vehicles from ground , to aquatic, to sky, and space having routine maintenance and periodic repairs done. For some it'll be as easy as landing to refuel / rearm, and repair /replace worn or damaged components. "looks like your shield generator is on its last leg. I got a new grade b industrial that fit, or I have a refurbished grade a military for the same price". Having an org event where after a Jump town, Blockade runner, or Xenothreat event coming in after the battle and offering repairs, and salvaging the left behind wrecks for components, weapons, and salvage. I'm looking forward to engineering for the possibilities it offers.

[@flechman63]

I'm a solo player with my biggest ship being a connie. Just want to fly a space ship not spend time as a mechanic hahahaha. Your video has giving me hope that ship engineering will really not affect my game play. Thank you

[@anno-fw7xn]

i cant wait for it, and i hope its in deabt enugh that we dont need to wait for a make it batter patch, and i hope it not so many beams.

[@joelellis7035]

But, my janitor should be able to power up the turrets! Everybody's first priority is to the ship!

[@ro-mon_gerrs_u-tube1944]

You would think that life support is an over engineered system in case of emergency evacuations situations. !? As well as having built in fire suppression systems! Doh!

[@r.wallaby6490]

I believe if you turn off life support the fire would go out due to lack of oxygen. Could've sworn they showed it last year at Citizencon but don't quote me xD

[@r00skie18]

2:41 “tell em to make it count” 😔

[@MrEasterrabbit]

Scotty how does it take to repair the Quantumdrive? It usually takes weeks, but I will do it in hours for you captain. 😅

[@sebastienlabbe4647]

You should check out Guns of Icarus Online if you haven't already, it has a lot of the engineering mechanics its seems CIG is wanting to add to SC.

[@jamespruitt4756]

i personally can't wait for all this. it'd make my vulture actually feel like it's MINE! gotta take care of the bird!

[@IvannaNukya]

The cargo rework has ruined many aspects of the game for me. I’m a casual player , I’m not going to spend time manually loading boxes I don’t have time for that over and over. I play to have fun not to work a fake job. Why can’t I hire npc to move the boxes for me? That’s what was simulated in the mechanics of the past. The push to perceived ultra realism is ruining the fun.

[@pasindudinusha6507]

Honestly, all of this sounds like a lot of boring extra work for casual players.

[@thesilver3794]

Well u can pay for autoloading

[@TennysonEStead]

I think it'll shift the focus of the game, specifically for people with multicrew ships. It won't be LESS gameplay. It's just more diversity in the experience, and a deeper universe as a result. It's not better or worse than soloing bounties in a Connie... but it makes flying a Connie VERY different from flying a fighter, or an Avenger, or even a Freelancer MIS.

[@Liopleurodon]

about this being "controversial": While for some this may mean a reconsideration of their larger ships efficiency or even general use (especially combat related), I dont think this will be too controversial, at least not in the margin of other changes. I mean just compare it to Master Modes. MM is a direct violation of the aimed goial of the game, engineering is much more in line with the long term goals and plans for the depth the game should always have. Its the same wit Cargo. In fact, the only "controversy" I see, at least for me is, how can this system make sense and have meaningfull impact when MM basically over-rules and negate any depth component and ship performance could bring to the game? Both systems work against each other and the question remains, wich one will survive into a 1.0 state in a meaningfull way.

[@scotttracy6388]

Bring back salvaging missions would be nice.

[@MyMMC]

im waiting for this for a decade. and it is exactly how i expected a good gamified solution to be. at least for a start. i see a lot of potential here.

[@afterthought3746]

Time sink will not be a problem when the game gets to the point of actually doing something meaningful. Right now all the tasks are full of emptiness and a wipe is always around the corner so players are concerned about time sync. However when you fly to a planet to do a set amount of tasks with friends for the afternoon it will feel much more rewarding. I AM worried about the payout of group tasks. I hope that they pay better with more people involved to incentivise group play. I am not sure how they will regulate this tho and build it into the game. It will be a challenge.

[@csion8368]

@@afterthought3746 For PVE grouping pays far more. Can be on a multi crew mining or salvage ship producing far more per hour. Also on single crew ships having a friend in another ship running RMC salvage or unstable quantanium back a forth keeps you on task.

[@SmugBaldy]

Hopefully it will be as fun as waiting on a tram.

[@TheThruthfullOne]

This is awesome, can't wait to be able to set up an Amongus game in Star Citizen 😆 Misc Odyssey would be the best map lol

[@astrotraveler6998]

explain single seater engineering gameplay. Will we flip switches like Anakin on hos pod racer?

[@SpaceTomato]

I think it'll mainly be about power management.

[@lordbastich]

So when is any of this actually going to be in the game?

[@fredericlorenzo9306]

Depth of gameplay !!! I love all of it! 😊

[@jadedmedic96]

I think engineering will be great. The only people it will tick off the most is those that have dropped $500+ on a large/capitol ship that will have a much harder time solo'ing the ship.

[@defi5]

This better not be as annoying as having to eat and drink. We should be able to use all components for a while before they break or need repair. If every single time I use my ship a component breaks I’m going to be pissed as hell

[@パウリ-g5z]

I love it! It's a game for the hardcore role players and nerds, not so much for the casuals.

[@d3335]

Star Citizen could add ‘astromech’ type robots for fixing engineering issues, you know?

[@anno-fw7xn]

why do you want less gameplay?

[@d3335]

@@anno-fw7xn I don’t, but it’s a possible fix for single person crews, no?

[@JR75K]

Haha that integra joke!!😂.. I'm a Honda guy so I know exactly what ur talkin about !

[@meatythud1357]

Look, I will log on at 10pm, and log off at 11pm. How much of that time will be meat and potatoes fun gameplay? If it’s 50 min, fine, if it’s 20 min forget it.

[@callsigngrimdoll]

Maybe research what Star Citizen was intended to be. It's not going to be a log on grab a mission then log off game.

[@jrsydvl7218]

This is CIG, next you'll have to file a flight plan. Load and fuel the ship yourself. Preform a preflight inspection. Have customs inspect your ship for departure. Wait for clearance to takeoff. Crash into an invisible hangar door. Then take the tram back to the spaceport to do it all over again.

[@meatythud1357]

@@callsigngrimdoll on the contrary, when I backed in the early days, it was an action game

[@flamebreaker7318]

@@meatythud1357are you sure you didn’t pledge for squadron 42?

[@meatythud1357]

@ I’m sure 😆

[@Vioblight]

I’m excited as long as they don’t add more tedium outside of this.

[@Archmage9885]

Engineering sounds interesting, but I think CIG just needs to be careful not to make it too extreme. I don't want to spend more time fixing my ship than flying it.

[@Meatpiesgaming]

Our org see this as a reason NOT to fly multicrew ships in the future. To do anything you will first have to find and purchase a bunch of spare parts (likely fly around the system to the different shops), then manually move them onto your ship and stow them somewhere taking up valuable space and loads of time. Then if you still have time to play the game, have to deal with random parts getting old whilst we are just trying to fly the ship somewhere... its fast becoming more and more nitche this game, soon there will be such a small potential player base that you will need to pay $100 month subscription to support the game post go live... I used to love the indy side of the game, then came the 'cargo tedium' changes that killed hauling, now with this it will be much easier and more time efficient to just fly around and gank people than doing the more interesting game loops.

[@WintersFinalstand]

Time to disable also means just self destructing.

[@Nosdeblack]

Now the game has started!!!

[@carstenschops7797]

Which is game realism always expressed in the negative effects? Do you know how often I have repaired the engine of my car in the three years I own it? Zero times. I paid a mechanic to look it over three or four times. I'd have a serious word with the seller if my car would break down every week unless meticolously maintained all the time.

[@Stampede602]

Once engineering has been applied to all ships it may finally incentivize player groups to fly one multi crew ship instead of several single crew ships. The multi crew ship can be repaired while staying in the fight. While the single seat fighter will become combat ineffective once components start failing.

[@julienzacharias9540]

Finally, meaningful choices to make, impacting gameplay. 🎉

[@jrsydvl7218]

Who's going to group up to turn wrenches? I troubleshoot enough failed parts at my job, I'm not about to do it in a game.

[@manegrmusa4551]

we should get manual whit evry buyed ship 😎 they also should implement changing oil, water .... or whatever ship needs