First Start of a Cox .049 Black Widow

First start of a roughly about 50 years old Cox engine.

[@denuijs]

Why adding fuel first and the prop after? Pretty dumb!

[@EnginePoweredArt]

I was as excited as a hunter before his first shot who forgot to load his rifle first

[@AdventuresOutdoors]

There is always someone who nit picks and critiques... looks like your him. Dude just relax and if you don't like it just walk away or laugh. Don't play the know it all!

[@michaelnelson9140]

And it’s not the correct prop.🤪

[@afrog2666]

Well hello there Mr. positive lol

[@afrog2666]

@@michaelnelson9140 I ran a variety of props on my Cox`s, depending on Nitro, temperature and what glow head I had on, worked just fine no worries ;)

[@frankcastle5294]

OMG reminds me when I was 8....around 1962...and spending hours trying to start the freaking 049 WenMac on my little tether plane. Nerve wracking as hell.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Yes, I also needed a lot of patience when, at the age of about 12, I started getting these stubborn Cox motors running. And it took me a really long time to get the hang of it. I still love these engines because you have to act like a tamer 😃

[@frankcastle5294]

@@EnginePoweredArt Sir you nailed it. Got a big plastic tether plane for Christmas one year which was a huge deal for me and my parents as we were very poor. Had 6 volt dry cell battery that you wired to the glow plug in hopes of starting the motor. Think mime was a Wen Mac but know it was 049. Would take me hours of trying to light it up for a 2 minute, at best, flight around the back yard. Still have my orange 65 Mustang tether car with basically the same tiny motor in it. Thanks for the great vid. Regards, John

[@frankcastle5294]

@@EnginePoweredArt Well said Ronald and now and again it's a bit of a small struggle...but I try and do that every single day of my life. Regards, Frank

[@Workerbee-zy5nx]

The box it comes in is valuable, total collectors piece.😎👍👍

[@grumpy3543]

Man does that take me back. Thanks.

[@edisonschrader4046]

Trying to get me out of my shell my dad spent a lot of time with me building balsa wood free flight planes using the "black window" engine. brings back memories. Thank you.

[@TJ-USMC]

Brings back Great Memories of Flying U-Control Airplanes in the 70's - Thank-you !!!

[@markrusk2870]

Man you are brave to hold in you hand

[@garygullikson6349]

Extremely stupid, engine gets hot and slippery, vibrates hard , easy to lose grip and motor takes off hurting the jerk or slack-jawed on-lookers.

[@thomasmoje5926]

Have one of these stashed away in an attic..purchased it many years ago mounted it to a home-built balsa U-control model airplane it is a real screamer once running and tuned right.

[@TalkingGIJoe]

the smell of that glo-fuel will bring you right back to your childhood!

[@ronaldschlecker5532]

Yes, the memories come back every time😂

[@Tomc528]

This was my favorite little motor with my sterling Stunt man back around 1973 74

[@abdulrahmanshaikh9202]

I respect the patience of the man

[@steveperry1344]

i had several of these when i was a boy in the early 60's and different sizes that i put on model flying planes. i never started one in my hand like that back then but i might try it now that i'm a grownup, an old grownup.

[@bliglum]

Had one of these on an RC plane as a kid! Pump out a lot of power for their size/weight. But they sure do make a mess!

[@user-kj1od5ed7p]

I remember closing the needle and opening the needle exactly 4 1/2 turns

[@davidrivero7943]

It's what we had & it was fun ...kinda .Now I remember why I went Electric .

[@user-lh1il1ul1u]

As a kid 1960-70 i built my control line planes, engines .010-.035 Fox and Cox engines, in Memphis Balsa wood hand made Many models. My young life, wish i could go back…..

[@EnginePoweredArt]

It's crazy how fast time flies

[@robertfos1302]

Mount it on a board for safety.

[@michaelnelson9140]

I still have one.

[@keithfreeman5204]

I build and fly a small 24" WS, Planes. 2 channel .049 & .051 Cox engines, 6x3 & 6x4 props Ail & Elv. Yank and bank at it's best. Can fly all afternoon on less than a Quart of Fuel. Regular flight. Climb out from Hand Launch, 4-5 minutes flying around the field at low altitude, last 90 seconds of fuel, Climb, as high as you are comfortable with, fuel runs out, engine Off. Now, on your way down loops, rolls and wing overs are possible, then land are your feet.The planes are based on the Ridge Runt 30-35 years ago. Simple Build-up wing, ribs and spar, Fuselage just flat sheet Balsa, Flat sheet Tail parts. S Cox .049 engines come with a fuel tank, for the Tee Dee engines I use a 1 ounce Fuel tank mounted internally.

[@wallywally8282]

That’s how I remember them, bastards to start😂😂

[@ronaldschlecker5532]

😂

[@frankcastle5294]

My tether plane and tether Mustang were bitches to start as well. Especially when I was 10 years old and no idea WTH I was doing.

[@xpump876]

Lucky that sucker didn't pull your arm outa its socket!

[@collinmccallum]

awesome!

[@bkennb]

I just got one of these. What is the tube on the bottom of the fuel tank? Thanks for the video.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

This is an aerobatic tank with tank ventilation. The two pipes each reach just below the innerside of the tank. As a result, no fuel can escape even when flying inverted.

[@ef-tech4545]

Cool:)

[@loseswag]

nice

[@randomscience4k]

Can we use it with methanol and castor oil mix only without nitromethane? Or what about Diesel oil? I remember seeing someone on youtube run one of these engines with Diesel i think I saw.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Nitromethane is not necessary but Diesel doesn't work at all

[@randomscience4k]

@@EnginePoweredArt Thank you for the reply. Nitro fuel is quite expensive in my country, but I do have access to lot of methanol and castor oil for cheap though. I've a few bigger Nitro engines in my collection. I had a feeling diesel wouldn't work on these tiny engines, but I've never had one. That idea came from this video 😁 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZyXn3x6a5alqdE&si=jCTrGA-B7FS5Znu3

[@darlenealvarado]

What fuel do those cox engines use

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Fuel with 25% nitromethane for 2 stroke glow igniter

[@Hotvolker100]

Ich weiß nicht, aber ich hätte den Cox motor an einen Halter montiert. Das hätte die Arbeit erleichtert. Trotzdem ein Like.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Danke

[@automan1223]

We used to make our own fuel because the nitro got too expensive. Great line control days at age 11... First time you hear one fire up you will never forget it. ! Does that nylon prop have enough weight to carry the inertia ? We used wood props that would fly everywhere when you messed up..

[@scrappysgarage7404]

Mind if I ask what fuel you used? I got one of these and would love to at all costs not use online shopping because that's the only place I can get it at unfortunately.

[@automan1223]

try castor oil with 90+% rubbing alcohol. I forget the ratios. You could probably drop some high test gasoline in there to make the cold starts warm up faster. I remember the home made brew did not run as well when the engines were cold. so we used the high $ nitro on the first run. then switched over to the home brew. although the gasoline might be really harsh on any model parts... advise caution.. maybe a test bench first. @@scrappysgarage7404

[@vumba1331]

​@@scrappysgarage7404They like like about 10% nitro in their fuel, when I flew them in the late 60s we used to use 80 methanol to 20 castor fuel that we flew in our 35 sized engine, put 900 ml (cc) in a bottle and top it up with 100 ml of nitro to make 1,000 ml (1 litre) of fuel. Performed well with that brew in terms of starting, power and tuning, however, they will really start to scream with 20% to 30% nitro, good for competition aircraft but a bit much for us in those days. Hope that helps, have fun.

[@joelylanan45]

Can we use unleaded gasoline for this engine? Where was that clip attached?

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Of course it is unleaded fuel made from methanol and nitromethane. This file is not attached anywhere except in KZbin itself

[@ericanderson2482]

@@EnginePoweredArt My recollection is that the fuel also contained lubricant for the engine. Castor Oil as I recall but it has been many years.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

@@ericanderson2482 Yes, that's how it was👍

[@ericanderson2482]

Still have a kit that I got to replace my first .049 combat plane. A carl Goldberg Lil Satan model.

[@becksbikes5875]

How many turns out should I start with on the needle

[@EnginePoweredArt]

With a new Cox engine, the needle has to be opened up to 3 or 4 turns because the mixture has to be very rich. After a few minutes you can set the engine into lean operation by adjusting the setting to around 2.5 revs.

[@becksbikes5875]

@@EnginePoweredArt thanks so much I found step dads old cox airplane and helicopter

[@nahtpd]

Always had the best luck with three to four turns out

[@user-kj1od5ed7p]

4.5 turns exactly

[@pawel8299]

Hello, what kind of fuel does this engine need?

[@EnginePoweredArt]

65% methanol, 15% nitromethane and 20% castor oil

[@pawel8299]

@@EnginePoweredArt Castrol oil-auto oil e.g. 5w 40?

[@EnginePoweredArt]

@@pawel8299 Maybe you can use Castrol, but actually it should be castor oil. Note the small difference not only in the spelling😄

[@pawel8299]

@@EnginePoweredArt Ah, now I noticed, thanks😂

[@chuckaddison5134]

Guess it says something that an item is 50 years old, never opened and has no collector value

[@jefferythum9445]

Can I use a 9 volt battery to start the glow plug?

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Don't do that! The glow plug would burn up immediately

[@montylc2001]

NO!!! 1.5 D battery!

[@jefferythum9445]

@monty crawford I saw a double d battery setup for sale on line Amazon I think would that work?it said field satrter.

[@montylc2001]

@@jefferythum9445 yes double D batteries for a .049 glow plug, 4 D's for bigger engines. Just make sure the batteries are in parallel and not series...in other words parallel would be all the pluses tied together on one wire and the negatives all on one. Don't stack them on top of each other, that would be in series.

[@jefferythum9445]

@monty crawford the motor is a bee nitro 325 I believe this is the second glow plug that burned out.i want to put it in a er coupe do you think that will work wingspan 36"?

[@user-dh9om1ry8f]

Je ne l’aurais même pas sorti de sa boîte. 😢

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Oui, il aurait dû être conservé dans son emballage d'origine pour la postérité : )

[@joefish6091]

Toyan FS-S100GA

[@NZHorizones]

He's done that before.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Who?

[@NZHorizones]

@@EnginePoweredArt The man who has started this engine. :D

[@shaquedelilicss7849]

So it is an glow engine and not a diesel engine .

[@vanpenguin22]

Well, It's "compression ignition " Just saying 😌

[@user-kj1od5ed7p]

Methanol nitromethane and castor oil

[@user-kj1od5ed7p]

1.5 volts Max

[@kjm-ch7jc]

Why are there no comments? Those shaky hands don't give confidence.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

Why are comments disabled on your channel? You're probably afraid that one of your few subscribers will post similar nonsense in your videos🤣

[@aaaaahahahaha82]

Where do you find fuel for cox engines? I want something that's >25% nitro and has the right combination of fuel types, but it's close to impossible to find.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

In my area there are still various model shops that sell fuel. In times of electric model making, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get fuel. However, in my experience, all cox engines already run with 5 to 10% nitromethane

[@matthewmutz9337]

K&B 1000

[@sergiob9910]

Unsafe starting....!!!

[@EnginePoweredArt]

but all went well

[@michpatriot9097]

He'd have a kitten if he saw the flying rag!

[@clivevreeswijk4555]

This guy is plainly stupid for doing this, a piece of wood, 4 screws is not a hard thing to do. On another note there where many variances of the venerable 0.49, there were single and dual transfer port cylinders, smaller and larger tanks, no tank, and if you looked carefully higher compression heads... It would be interesting to see a series breakdown. My favorite combination (go figure) dual transfer port, high compression head external tank, 25 %nitro.

[@rudyho3790]

yeh...user guide in package....this joker doesn't read/use them🤔

[@EnginePoweredArt]

There was no instruction manual. I assume the paper louse had enough time to eat them up within about 50 years

[@lachlangreen8389]

Old and shaky Lol

[@FarValley]

Very unsafe, and you set a very poor example for others. Nice to see you still have all your fingers though.

[@mj6749]

I've seen grass grow quicker

[@Tomc528]

Then go watch it if that's yours mentality

[@cliffcorbitt9494]

Is the tank the only thing why its now called somthing else? 049 still, but on like a pt19 cruiser like i have or what? That comes with the original 049 stock.

[@EnginePoweredArt]

I think the reason for the name Black Widow is the color design. The engine is black and red like this spider

[@ernestgalvan9037]

@@EnginePoweredArt..the ‘Black Widow’ was a tighter-tolerance, higher compression, higher-RPM, higher-power engine. The porting was optimized for more power. It was a screamer, both in sound, and in performance. In the early 70s, I put this on a ‘Combat Kitten’ balsa combat, and I had many many enjoyable flights with it. Inner/outer loops, inverted flight, wing-overs…. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Moved up to a F109 version of the Midwest ‘Magician’ profile line, with an Enya .035. More joy. Sadly, I allowed ‘life’ to interfere. (the ‘Combat Kitten’ was the .049/.051 version of the .035 ‘Combat Cat’.. made by Midwest??? Memory fails.)