O2 Inside Line | This Rose | episode 5

Episode five tells the story of our scrum-halves and their special bond. There is also a very special visitor into camp.
Danny Care and Ben Youngs talk us through their friendly rivalry and their England journey, while Richard Wigglesworth gives us an insight into how he is managing his new role as a coach. Former Manchester City defender Vincent Kompany also comes into camp to talk the squad.
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[@Rugbyhead1998]

Last person I would expect to be a guest is Vincent Kompany. What a great bloke!

[@Britalex]

Such a joy to see DC interview and be interviewed. A thoroughly decent person to speak so highly of others, particularly your competition for a starting 9 shirt.

[@davidbuddbudd804]

Ben & Dan, proper players, decent blokes

[@pierrev897]

When you see that you have a notification for a new episode of This Rose you are smiling immediately 😄 ❤

[@shonunezekiel]

I have my misgivings about Ben Youngs' current form at 9 for years (especially his speed of delivery from the ruck), but he and Danny are clearly such great teammates and people - always looking at what will make the team better rather than what is in their own selfish interests - massive respect, and best wishes to them both.

[@Britalex]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@El_Gato1066]

Yeah agreed…. Ben Youngs has been a great servant for England rugby but like Eddie, should have stepped down after the World Cup Final…. Danny Care came across really well - humble, articulate and incredibly respectful of Ben and others…

[@nonomnismoriar9601]

Care and Youngs are still top notch I'm more concerned about the slowness of service from the new 9's. They are painfully slow at recycling the ball at the base of rucks and is really hampering England's attack opportunities. Forwards are also under committing and we are getting counter rucked off our own ball. Worst of all they are doing it deliberately, holding the ball 1-2 seconds too long allowing the opposition defence to form up and killing our line breaks before they start Is a big issue for the U20 too

[@pf2558]

DC, BYoungs and JVT, lovely to see that teamwork and competitiveness..best of luck 👍 🏉

[@williamfrancecamera]

What else does Murley have to do to be in the squad?!!! I’m infuriated. He DESERVES a cap for England with the brilliant season he’s had at Harlequins. Poor lad

[@TheMrMochabear]

Loving the focus of this series - really on the stories of the players

[@will6057]

So proud that Ben is a fellow norfolkian

[@fellview6294]

Steve speaks so smooth n quiet for a rugby player/coach

[@Pabsie1974]

I am a fan of welsh rugby, but have to say Ben Youngs is one of the finest scrum halves the northern hemisphere have ever produced. Club or country, at his worst he’s a 8 out of ten.

[@romainviry3185]

Wait whaaat ?😂

[@Joseph_Dredd]

Great video lads. Great to see Danny Care back in the frame. Best England scrum half. Matt Dawson. No 2: Ben Youngs/ Danny Care - joint. Good luck in RWC lads. p.s Most under rated scrummie Andy Gomarsall

[@luke.hutchinson]

It feels the right call to keep experienced scrum halfs for this World Cup - wise heads carry the attack. But I do worry that we’ve seen the best of Youngs.

[@SixesandSevens6]

Borthwick and Wigglesworth have got two great seasons out of him. He's been stand out for Leicester. I would back them to squeeze another 7 games out of him! He's still the best box kicker of the English 9s by a mile, and with Waston, Steward and May going after them that's a weapon.

[@BH-ui5eb]

Saw the best of him about 10 years ago

[@jakemiddleton5266]

@@SixesandSevens6 True - but is it a weapon that will get 4 tries vs the top teams? Because they are all scoring 4 or more on average. The maul was a bit more of a weapon in the 6 nations. As was the lineout and scrum. So perhaps looking for a tight forwards game to get an extra few pens and a try

[@timwannell6477]

getting amped for the world cup now

[@888young2]

Cole was great about 8 years ago. The fact that we haven’t got more young props coming through is worrying. Considering the stats about child obesity in the UK, you’d think rugby could be an attractive option for beefier kids.

[@BigChungus-gc3io]

Tbf have u see our u20s props they’re class

[@888young2]

@@BigChungus-gc3io good to hear. Thank you

[@allthepies88]

There's clearly been a period of time where we haven't been producing tight heads, and not having a centralised union like the IRFU, to transition some of these young looseheads coming through to tighthead to make sure we have a stream of boys coming through, unless you're a genetic freak like Tupou for example, you're looking at after your mid 20's at least to be a genuine international tighthead prop, and you generally end up playing later into your 30's just because of your ability to scrummage. Not saying Cole is incredible at that, but Stuart and Heyes for example are only just starting to get to that point. Heyes is too small for me, but Stuart was looking like a good fit before he got injured.

[@joeboonmusic4004]

@@888young2 Yeah I wouldn't be too worried, there's some class coming from the age-group below... I have to say though, your comment about child obesity made me laugh so hard!

[@PaulWilsonfitness]

Great episode, again. I think Wiggys kids will have enjoyed that!

[@Bpt8825]

Disappointed Murley and Rapaca-Ruskin have been sent home. Both in my view should be in the starting 15. The squad is poorer for their omission

[@GM-fn3ku]

Different style of rugby we’ll be playing. Good players tho

[@MiniMatthew]

Lack international experience to be fair and its not the final squad, they will have their time probably after the WC.

[@ruckedover7633]

I guess we don’t see what the coaches see - attitude, application etc. Interesting that VRR has been looked at by two England coaches and then dropped, for example. Both clearly very talented.

[@dcmj3798]

@@ruckedover7633 people will disagree with me, but as a Gloucester fan ive seen so many clear england starting 22 players get called up to hold tackle bags and then sent home to glos. i get the feeling its a face thing more than a talent thing. Murley is still very young and will get the chance to play for england in the future. this is probably vals last chance, and hes absolutely without a doubt the only player that contests genge for his shirt.

[@alanb9443]

You would have Val over genge or marler ? That’s a very questionable call. I would say he deserves the 3 spot but genge and marler are both significantly ahead imo.

[@Goose1594]

The freshest of fresh boots right there 😍

[@jonty50]

Love a DC episode. Want to see some more Sir Kev

[@2011hwalker]

11:10 You dont really appreciate the absurdity of Tuilagis legs until you see him next to regular person his height. Wigglesworth looks like a person in really good shape but Manus lower body is like twice the size....

[@Fudgeis1337]

And he's trimmed down too, much lighter these days than he used to be

[@will6057]

That’s the BENch mark 🤣🤣

[@barneyd9785]

Would love to have heard Kompany's talk!

[@fellview6294]

The super subs, brilliant time for England then, bringing Danny on,Joe launchbry ,and others, always came on and was brilliant

[@kinblanking]

Should make episodes match shirt numbers...this should have been episode 9

[@mattmager4656]

funny to hear DC say JVP is 'after our shirts'... JVP has been 1st choice 9 for a while now. Makes you wonder if DC knows something we don't...JVP no longer first choice?

[@Simwil33]

I genuinely got excited to see Fords debut. That was very disappointing haha

[@liamkeating4547]

Let Ruskin go, good luck getting out of group

[@makingithappenltd7138]

Game week

[@jeanettehinds4253]

For me the physicalites are already on point. They need to focus on the mental health side. Why when they should win, they collapse in front of the finish line, over and over again. There has to be a reason for it.

[@TGDarwell]

I don't know what Murley has to do to get in the team

[@petergordon4720]

Sending Murley home, absolutely criminal

[@paddyk3748]

Just watching g theys vids gives me 3 4 percent hope we can win it. The blacks are looking good but irland and the frogs are just to strong I recon

[@ph5849]

When I saw malins v murley on tv few months back,,we all could see murley bossed malins, he’s faster/more powerful and dropped???? VRR dropped?? We are not close to moving forward by dropping better new players, just keeping the same , which we have been poor for years! There’s little transition sadly!!

[@joeboonmusic4004]

I imagine bigger changes like that will be made after the WC. We're not seeing what Borthwick and his coaches are seeing, and they know more than we do... I imagine players like Malins are favoured because he's proven to be useful in a test environment. He's a class player and deserves his spot. As I said, big changes and looking to the future are probably due to start after this WC, where experience is probably preferred.

[@ph5849]

Truth is, I’ve seen all season How good murley has been, top try scorer, Bossed Malins ! VRR has been electric, great in the scrum, fast, powerful runs, a ton of turnovers, this is what we have seen over a season, so when I hear, we don’t know what’s in the camp, I personally feel, SB has his Favs, and that’s that! The Evidence is there, look at who he brings in.

[@charlieandrews6944]

​@@ph5849malins was also top try scorer the season before and would have been again if he didn't have England commitmens

[@Fudgeis1337]

There's been rumours that VRR has been considered to not be trying hard enough in national team camps on the occasions he's been in. No idea how real they are but that's the story anyway

[@ciaranalder8323]

Please bring Murley back him Smith and Care would do wonders for England.

[@barrylongstaff2816]

I just can not get excited about this England team or set up. I think we’re in a real vanilla patch for the foreseeable. Just an observation but I’ll be behind them 💯

[@clairegresswell]

Personally I'd take Care over Youngs but given a) JVP is a shoo-in b) Care never gets the recognition he deserves & c) Murley has just been culled who would have blended perfectly with the Quins contingent , I do expect him to be gone prior to the final line-up. His performance last season was faultless in my opinion especially over Youngs; I don't see it working out in his favour. Then again, maybe I should reserve judgement given Mako has just been dismissed... time will tell.

[@bulltraderpt]

is marlin yarde there...?

[@joeboonmusic4004]

I think that was footage from a few years ago.

[@grahamvincent2133]

Is this a promo for Ben Youngs to get supporters off his back? Nice guy, absolutely, but he hasn't been good for a long, long time. Danny Care is just being nice, he knows he's twice the player BY is, and has been for years. BY should be nowhere near the squad.

[@johnrowney5087]

Youngs should have done the decent thing and retire before the camp. Great career, but he's taking Mitchells spot in the squad which is a joke imo. Mitchell should be at the RWC

[@jep1912]

Seeing this squad actually instills fear in me, not hope. I think we're going to get humiliated.

[@joeboonmusic4004]

I personally think the opposite. I think this squad is going to surprise people. After limited time under Borthwick they kept Ireland at bay for most of the match in the 6N even with 14 players. There are reasons to be positive/hopeful.

[@mygoogle1482]

Shame youngs and vunipolas and daly are back in. Seems to be stepping back in time. Bortfwick v unlikely to succeed, totally in over his head - well done rfu. Our only hope is our players suddenly discover previous elusive form., currently our play in last 6ns doesn’t suggest that.

[@jakebowie2206]

‘elusive form’ is ridiculous. stop commenting on rugby videos and actually watch a few premiership games. Daly has played some of his best rugby this year, and makes a great WC player as he’s so versatile. same with billy V. he’s been on fire.

[@mygoogle1482]

Small wonder they call the English arrogant. The players you refer to are doing well in the English premiership, outside of that they are getting tanked. There are fundamental issues in English rugby, world-class players from four years ago are no longer world-class. You can argue with until blue in the face, but you have to base opinions on watching players, play games and the results. I’m not sure what you are basing things on but you might try to look at who for instance daly has played and looked so good against? You may want to watch games global especially in France Ireland, to get a better perspective.

[@clitering]

@@mygoogle1482 spot on. It’s remarkable how insular the English view of the competition and the global game is. Significant structural change needed if the English game is to really compete.

[@mygoogle1482]

@@clitering yep. Sadly if we get to semis they’ll leave it all alone. Only a non exit from group will trigger real examination. Rfu need to be fired en masse. Clearly whilst wishing the rfu would drive wholesale change in the games administration and structure in England, so a poor rwc would move closer to this, I I very much hope the players some of whom I think could be world class again deliver above our current trajectory. Warm up games will reveal much about the camp, which looks awesome, but that’s tv editing for you. All that said I do believe we’ll be better than 6 nations. Just no daly or youngs maybe bv if he gets on in warm up and pulls up trees with tackle bursting runs otherwise we need to focus on new with a couple of oldies sprinkled in (marler, care - both bench) maybe tuilagi if he suddenly rediscovers ability to beat men by running over them. It’s With the players now, at least rfu can’t screw up from here until rwc.

[@clitering]

@@mygoogle1482 It’s the almost wilful delusion that gets me. And the insularity. France, Ireland and the ABs - and to a lesser and more predictable extent, the Saffers - are miles ahead. The mantra that ‘we play an English style’ that suits our game could have been dreamt up by Nigel Farage. I like and respect Steve Borthwick but he’s been handed a shit sarnie because the structure around and above him is so outdated. And you are right - get to the semis and the likes of you and I will be pilloried. However, that side of the draw should be a gimme and anything less than the semis is a disgrace. Imagine us on the other side?!! As for the players - it ain’t their fault and they’ll give everything, if they are hungry enough.

[@oblessmo]

I just see self complacency and bullshit teen stories ...