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Enleum AMP 23R Review - Why is this so different to other amps?

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GoldenSound

GoldenSound

Күн бұрын

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@TombstoneTube
@TombstoneTube Жыл бұрын
I've read and seen 5 reviews of this amp. This one was the most complete by far, and had no hesitation pointing out the amp's limitations.
@jgabrieltrevino1348
@jgabrieltrevino1348 Жыл бұрын
You’ve put on a clinic on how to properly review an amp - I wish more hifi reviewers would take a page from your approach.
@GoldenSound
@GoldenSound Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@brandingmix
@brandingmix Жыл бұрын
@@GoldenSound Buddy someone is trying to SCAM on the channel a user.named Goldensound0 is telling me.i won a pair of old.Senheiseer 600 headphones, I'll try to contact you via email with his details and some tracing information my people is working on so you can report him directly with the authorities in the UK.
@Yuu_Touko
@Yuu_Touko Жыл бұрын
Hey man, just wanted to say how much I appreciate your hard work with these videos! Keep going & stay as cool as you are!
@JTB--
@JTB-- Жыл бұрын
I like watching videos of things I'll never be able to afford. Nice review
@BillyKueekSG
@BillyKueekSG Жыл бұрын
Come on, you’re too humble
@hdsarma
@hdsarma Жыл бұрын
​@@BillyKueekSG Same here.
@atavachron27
@atavachron27 Жыл бұрын
The major plus of the Enleum for me is that it is primarily a speaker amp and outputs 25 wpc into 8 ohms. I use it mostly as a speaker amp that just happens to be a superb headphone amp. It drives my Heddphones better than anything I've tried previously. The fact that you are getting a superb speaker and headphone amp (for me) justifies the price tag. Few, if any of the other headphone amps you mentioned are also speaker amps, so it would be worth making this distinction. I've had my Enleum for about 9 months and haven't found any of the shortcomings sonically, that you referred to. I think musical tastes factor into this as well of course. Mine being primarily instrumental, jazz and orchestral, which I think fit the Enleum very well. Again, when you factor in the Enleum's capability as a speaker and headphone amp, the value proposition looks quite different. As a small/compact amp, its exceptional. Also, a word of advice for those commenting negatively about cost and quality of this amp....at least try to hear it for yourself before making negative comments. It's not very helpful.
@stifoli
@stifoli Жыл бұрын
Completely agree, in that context, the 6000€ are not that crazy!
@koolblue2
@koolblue2 Жыл бұрын
Yours is an interesting comment. I’m looking at this as 90% speaker amp and 10% headphone amp.
@zogzog1063
@zogzog1063 Жыл бұрын
If I may: what speakers is it driving?
@atavachron27
@atavachron27 Жыл бұрын
@@zogzog1063 I'm running Tekton perfect set (12) speakers. 96db efficiency.
@zogzog1063
@zogzog1063 Жыл бұрын
@@atavachron27 Sounds (pardon the pun) like a good choice. Sensitive speakers give a great more options with amplification.
@AntoineViau-00
@AntoineViau-00 Жыл бұрын
Impressive how articulate you are! It surely reflects how high your standards must be! Nice to see more in front of the camera! Excellent work!
@kajetan9550
@kajetan9550 Жыл бұрын
Oh I love this content. Very knowledgeable and down to earth reviews of actually interesting stuff that nobody covers in depth
@bunsw2070
@bunsw2070 Жыл бұрын
I'll say. I nearly bought one of these about a year ago. Glad I didn't. The reviews on Head Fi were almost all raves. We need the truth. Too many people are biased towards positivity. And without comparisons we have no idea what's going on. My only complaints about this channel, and this is the same as the rest of them, is they don't have proper reference gear. I know, that would cost more then any of them could afford. And they don't listen to acoustic instruments. You need to hear a violin to have any idea if the time coherence of the component is any good. There's another problem in that the entire reproduction chain has to be time coherent in order to tell if one element is as well. And with this amp being solid state and having exotic feedback or feedforward or whatever he wants to call it, it's going to smear the timing. Like the rest, he needs an current level Audio Note DAC 5 Signature and Audio Note Meishu Tonmeister Silver Signature with appropriate cables as a minimum. That's minimum and is way out of his price range, even if used. Too bad. Just my opinion. I wish they had this. I'm not judging. And stay away from that dCS type gear. Stay away from solid state if you have any pretense of knowing what proper reproduction is. Those people are engineers who arrogantly dismiss the existence of anything that can't be measured. Physics tells us there are things that are extremely important that will always be impossible to measure. Electromagnetism works on photons. Photons in this context have four polarizations. One time polarized photon and one longitudinal photon combine to create one transverse photon. See Terence Barrett's Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism at google books and read the first 40 pages for free. Franz Mandl and Shaw Graham's Quantum Field Theory is a landmark. Also T.D. Lee - Particle Physics and Filed Theory.
@stimpy1226
@stimpy1226 Жыл бұрын
I am extremely impressed with the way you conduct yourself in these reviews. I love someone who has balance in their lives and in their opinions.
@akc2000
@akc2000 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Gets to the heart of the 23R's strengths and weaknesses with surgical precision. Most reviews don't mention the smoothed mids. When I switch back to my Cayin HA-300 tube amp, I really notice it. Nothing is perfect but the 23R gets close.
@jon4715
@jon4715 10 ай бұрын
Smoothed miss would disappoint me greatly. I’m attracted to a funky amp like this where taste prevails over measurements, but seeing the bill of parts isn’t encouraging, and i care more about mods that anything.
@Bushviking
@Bushviking Жыл бұрын
Whilst I can't spend these amounts of $ on gear, I love your test-track suggestions. In fact will watch any video to "spot" them and thank you for the links!
@TheFilletingfish
@TheFilletingfish Жыл бұрын
Great content. Good for you for calling out the quality vs parts. Nice to see you in front of the camera too.
@davidfriedman5154
@davidfriedman5154 Жыл бұрын
Good to see the finger snaps are back.
@labalo5
@labalo5 Жыл бұрын
Good review. Still one of the best sounding solid state amps. It’s beautiful and rich sounding with horn speakers. Well, I own the older high power Bakoon amps. Also I believe Enleum addressed the DC drift with a video before GS published this. Probably all the rumblings that surmounted this review to talk about.
@jimx1169
@jimx1169 Жыл бұрын
Lovely review. As mentioned previously, very nice to see you in front of the camera.
@neilsnyder7915
@neilsnyder7915 Жыл бұрын
I own this amp. I prefer thin, neutral and transparent as I like to hear every detail. I have stayed away from tube amps for this reason. However, this amp adds just a touch of warmth without any limiting of resolution, image separation, and dynamics. On the Susvara and Utopia 22 this amp is magnificent. If you own Expanse, ZMF or other warm headphones you are better off with something like the Burson Soloist GT. I love, love, love the automatic return to zero volume knob when you unplug. A brilliant safety feature. The other issue is that I am slightly hard of hearing in one ear and need to adjust balance. Most of my other amps require me to crank up volume to 80-90% of volume to obtain listening levels I like. On the AR23 the dial is at 11am with plenty of headroom. Power delivery is effortless. I value a product based solely on performance and this is a tremendous value for me.
@ConvinceMeAudio
@ConvinceMeAudio Жыл бұрын
Excellent review as usual, mate, had the same experience unfortunately, during the review process, too. Such a shame, I was overly hyped for this
@robertreynolds2212
@robertreynolds2212 Жыл бұрын
1:45 Love the transition.
@rdraghiciu
@rdraghiciu Жыл бұрын
Nice review, I had both the Ferrum stack and the Enleum V2 for my Susvara. I disagree about the midrange impressions, after some time I sold the Ferrum stack and kept Enleum, it is clearly on another level for my ears (stage, impact, dynamics, layering).
@bak2mb
@bak2mb Жыл бұрын
hello what DAC pairs well with the E23r? thanks
@rdraghiciu
@rdraghiciu Жыл бұрын
@@bak2mb chord dave, denafrios terminator, gustard r26 , honestly any decent dac will do, r2r dacs emphasize the tubey character of the amp of course
@dzemoski45
@dzemoski45 8 ай бұрын
Are the mids fairly present or pulled back? Does it have a V shaped sound?
@rdraghiciu
@rdraghiciu 8 ай бұрын
for me are fairly present@@dzemoski45
@olenronning5868
@olenronning5868 Жыл бұрын
I've been living with the Enleum and enjoyed it very much, but do agree it has its quirks. However, I found it interesting you described it as "warm" where I would say it sounds more hollow or v-shaped (more upper midrange/treble emphasis and detail). Also, as you noted, I also found it responds quite differently depending on the incoming voltage level from the DAC. Higher voltage emphasizes its sound character, lower voltage mellows it out.
@LSDScreen
@LSDScreen Жыл бұрын
Apparently there was a slight retune between the first Enleum release and the second batch (with the new remote and software update), that pulled the midrange back a little.
@olenronning5868
@olenronning5868 Жыл бұрын
@@LSDScreen interesting. I have the first revision. Where did you see this info?
@LSDScreen
@LSDScreen Жыл бұрын
@@olenronning5868 In the comments of Convince Me Audio’s Enleum review.
@BillyKueekSG
@BillyKueekSG 11 ай бұрын
I have ordered the new GoldenWave/HiFiMan Prelude headphone amp, eagerly waiting for its arrival within the next few days. There are several amps in my shortlist including this Enleum, Holo Bliss KTE as well as speaker amps such as the Benchmark AHB-2, Keces, First Watt, etc… And, there are the tube amps such as Felix’s Audio Envy, Euphoria evo, Tranformatic Primavera, Viva Egoista 845… so little money, so many gears! So, I hope the Prelude can keep me happy for a while more. It came highly recommended for the Susvara. A friend in Hong Kong who is using it said this amp was built for Susvara. Another friend who had used the Ferrum Oor but sold it, is currently happily using the Holo Bliss KTE, also recommended the Prelude. He tried the Prelude and told me that the Prelude is very close to the capabilities of his Bliss KTE but at a much lower price.
@gerihifi
@gerihifi Жыл бұрын
Finally your are back on your channel, was missing you ;-) as always, very very well-explained and honest review!!!
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 Жыл бұрын
I've got the 13R love it. Only aesthetically speaking I thought the 23R was a downgrade from the 13R. I was planning on getting a 2nd setup with the 23R in mind...but now having second thoughts. Didn't have any of the concerns you described on the 23R with the 13R. I get the feeling that its was just a more cost effective version of the 13R...
@BillyKueekSG
@BillyKueekSG Жыл бұрын
Which DAC do you pair the 13R with? Just curious, so thank you for sharing.
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 Жыл бұрын
@@BillyKueekSG Was using Musician Pegasus now using Ares 12th edition. Considering moving up to a Gustard R26
@BillyKueekSG
@BillyKueekSG Жыл бұрын
@@User_not_found_403 thank you for replying. I am using the Gustard R26 now and very happy with it even though I am only using USB connection. Many reported that using LAN with Roon sound even better but I haven’t get to try it yet
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 Жыл бұрын
@@BillyKueekSG I'm using a low cost Douk Audio D2D convertor so I can take advantage of the I2S connection. I noticed a nice improvement when switching from USB to an I2S connection.
@BillyKueekSG
@BillyKueekSG Жыл бұрын
@@User_not_found_403 I am very much the plug and play kind, totally dummy on tech. I don’t dare to explore I2S nor do I know how to from my Mac. I thought about getting the Gustard U18 DDC but can’t find a Gustard I2S cable to plug and play and don’t know how to connect with my other DACs so I didn’t dare to try.
@johnrus7661
@johnrus7661 5 ай бұрын
I have demoed it, I thought it was a fine sounding amp. Definitely agree it is a specialty amp and more than likely anyone considering it almost certainly has more than one amp already and looking for some flavor in their sound palate. Not an amp for everyone or your only amp necessarily. I wasn't bothered by the mid range as I don't mind a more relaxed midrange. Unique product and I'm strongly considering it as a tube alternative.
@terrydemol5354
@terrydemol5354 26 күн бұрын
WRT DC offsets, it looks like what you are seeing here is probably a DC offset correction servo fighting against the vol control. The servos job is to pull the OP to zero offset but they usually have a fairly slow time constant so as not to interfere with bass performance. Unfortunately in this case, when the vol is adjusted too fast, the servo being slower takes a little time to catch up and the result is the offset that is gradually corrected. Looking at the worst case magnitude shows a high level of inherent offset to be 'servoed out' .
@life_in_solace
@life_in_solace Жыл бұрын
Let's get a bliss review now
@eskamobob8662
@eskamobob8662 Жыл бұрын
Yah, may + 23r + sus is a rough combo trippling down on that propensity for textural smoothness. Tbh this review is a fair bit more positive than I would have given my 13r
@newsigmundfreud3023
@newsigmundfreud3023 Жыл бұрын
*THIS and very few give so much info. Enlightening with no time wasted. THANK YOU for this thorough review in so many aspects.*
@woopygoman
@woopygoman Жыл бұрын
That DC issue reminds me of the issue that Schiit had with the Asgard 1. Jason fixed it right away with Asgard 2! Great review!
@AryanC130
@AryanC130 7 ай бұрын
I subscribed to ur channel. It's kind a special cause it's the first one I ever subscribed to in my entire 10 years of internet usage. I find ur perception, genuine honest, experimental nature is in sync with mine. I followed 2-3 videos from ur channel specially ur hard work deciphering mqa and the mindset to find the truth. Pls continue ur work. If we met in real life, i guess we would be good friends for sure. Also pls review the S17 pro and Violectric 222
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 Жыл бұрын
I’m listening to you on a pair of Soundpeats TWS ..they’re crap on calls ..but they play music wonderfully…that’s what stood out ..YOUR MUSIC IS PHENOMENAL 😳👍
@HeadonistHeadphones
@HeadonistHeadphones Жыл бұрын
There are pads provided with the amp to be placed under the feet to prevent the amp from sliding
@samuelcorbishley6016
@samuelcorbishley6016 Жыл бұрын
Wow, fantastic cinematography. What camera body and lens(es) are you using?
@Dave30867
@Dave30867 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the cost people just have to stop paying such crazy prices before the prices will ever come down to earth not just audio but everything in life .
@enjoshi-godrez8775
@enjoshi-godrez8775 Жыл бұрын
Thats subjective. Many people in the EU don't need a car, yet if you called someone rich in the US for having a $6000 car, they would laugh at you. For a lot of people that amp and car are equally essential, which blows the minds of North american and people from undeveloped nations.
@Dave30867
@Dave30867 Жыл бұрын
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 Hey if you want to buy one go nuts i just do not see the value is all . I have a $ 12000.00 sound system myself.
@enjoshi-godrez8775
@enjoshi-godrez8775 Жыл бұрын
@@Dave30867 With this product? I completely agree. It at least looks like a complete joke compared to the 13R and it only costs $1000 less.
@waketheriver
@waketheriver Жыл бұрын
Thanks for using our song Only Girl in the Room by ISYLA 😊
@Thomas_A_H
@Thomas_A_H Жыл бұрын
I bought your album on Qobuz three days ago after discovering it in this video and immediately liking it very much 🎶 Some questions about Track 4 (Colours of the Rain): It has a 0.05-second dip of volume within the first second of the song. 1. Do you know what happened here? 2. I adjusted it myself using Audacity, but is it possible you can fix and reupload it? Track 9 (Where We Dare) has a similar issue, but less serious (and harder to fix), so I left it as it is for now, but I may adjust it at some point, too.
@waketheriver
@waketheriver Жыл бұрын
@@Thomas_A_H that is so strange! I don’t think the tracks were like this previously! I will go back and listen to the mastered version that was uploaded. Thanks for pointing out. Glad you like the album! Any faves! And thanks again to Golden sounds for including the track!
@Thomas_A_H
@Thomas_A_H Жыл бұрын
@@waketheriver Thank you for replying. On KZbin track 4 sounds the same as on Qubuz, so it is not a Qobuz problem.
@waketheriver
@waketheriver Жыл бұрын
@@Thomas_A_H yes I just returned to the file and it’s in the originals. Man how have I never noticed!!! I don’t know that we can fix it with another upload I don’t think the streaming platforms allow u to switch the track sadly! Pro produced that album and all! Sorry for the annoyance! X
@Thomas_A_H
@Thomas_A_H Жыл бұрын
@@waketheriver I don't know if replacing tracks is possible or if this needs to be a new release. I have seen other albums which appear multiple times on Qobuz with slight variations, so maybe? But don't worry, your album is still great and I've seen albums with worse problems than this.
@brandingmix
@brandingmix Жыл бұрын
Welcome back cool guy, amazing review as always. 😎
@Malangsufi
@Malangsufi Жыл бұрын
Love your work mate, such high production.
@chjl1221
@chjl1221 Жыл бұрын
Well, thanks for letting me know! honest review, no sell out talk.
@georgeorwell7776
@georgeorwell7776 Жыл бұрын
this was an amazing review, thank you
@mikehughescq
@mikehughescq Жыл бұрын
Not seen any “limitations” reviewed here that haven’t been mentioned elsewhere. Interesting review but not quite the complete picture. - the pops and clicks are a feature of the unusual gain arrangement. Might impact people with multiple headphones but with 1 pair of speakers you’re going to either be on mute or 1 of maybe a couple of volume positions. So, who cares? Hear no complaints at all from people who have owned since release. - every review has acknowledged the fabulous mid range. Only 2 have suggested anything amiss. Again both headphone users. Weirdly friends. 1 suggested “unengaging”. Directly contradicting every other review. This suggests something more subtle. I can buy into this much more. It’s part of the sound signature. If you love the rest of what it does you’re not really going to care. Also, it goes unsaid that the effect described mirrors exactly what happens to sound at gigs so er… - doubt you’ll find many boxes where the cost of the components reflects the final price. Some sure but it’s a long long way from what happens in most cases. A final component might cost £2 but you might have had to work 100s of hours listening to 50+ £2 components to get to that final decision. Soo has mentioned of at least 2 component prices in this device where out in the real world the scarcity is so high the cost has rocketed. That aside, simplifying R&D down to “this has just been developed further from something which already existed so it can’t have cost that much to do” is a pretty basic misunderstanding of how actual R&D works. - the DC offset thing is fascinating. Soo has refuted it. No user has had their headphones destroyed or damaged by it. Ditto with speakers. No-one rotates their volume at that speed when sat on their arse using a remote control. So, it’s s theoretical. Nothing wrong with that but a theoretical with no example to back it up is effectively a non issue. Put some cheap headphones on it; wham that gain up and down until you destroy them and then there’s something to talk about. - lowering the gain of a source? Fair comment but can you name a device where it isn’t the case that this occurs? Every device has a sweet spot. The reviewer found it here. Would be a bit concerned if they’d not. My pre supposedly wants 2V. It can take 3.5V but I prefer it at 1.V. Friend with the same products prefers 2.5. It’s useful to know you can change the sound signature slightly by varying stuff like this but it’s not a big thing. So what are we left with? Essentially if you like the sound signature you’ll love it. It seems expensive given the component cost. Do these say something about the product or something about the reviewer?
@thewebart
@thewebart Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review.
@GMG0479
@GMG0479 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review and interesting little amp. Any plans to review the Gustard R26?
@adeadcrab
@adeadcrab Жыл бұрын
thanks for the honest impressions.
@ljubisaspasic5846
@ljubisaspasic5846 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review
@rustygates3367
@rustygates3367 6 ай бұрын
There is not a single high-end amp of which has a BoM that costs anywhere NEAR the MSRP of the amp, not the Holo Bliss or any tube amplifier. Passion for Sound did it right with his review.
@frederf69
@frederf69 Жыл бұрын
Good honest review ✌😎👍🥁😎🥁thanks!!
@tuathadedanann195
@tuathadedanann195 25 күн бұрын
Usuauly this means no global feedback but still has local feedback. Feedback isnt the issue its the bandwidth that matters. High bandwidth and hence high speed feedback is fine just look at the Mola Mola.
@sjqideez6626
@sjqideez6626 Жыл бұрын
Another great review Cameron, enjoy CanJam NYC
@jon4715
@jon4715 10 ай бұрын
Wonderful review.
@michaelsparrow4798
@michaelsparrow4798 Жыл бұрын
@GoldenSound Appreciate your effort and opinions. Love the RTA on the bottom of your logo screen. Would you please share the underlying source that creates it?
@TomT-bn1lm
@TomT-bn1lm Жыл бұрын
Retail products are usual 5xbuild cost. The problem they have is small volume manufacturing, so that Chassis could be very expensive and while the parts on the PCBs maybe inexpensive, the manufacture of the PCBs will be higher for Enleum then another large volume manufacturer. If they sell through dealers, you need to consider the that dealers get products at 50% below list price and the distributer (if there is one) will get at least 10-15%. That leaves the Enleum with 35-40% of the retail. Around $2200? Does that seam reasonable for Enleum? If it is only Direct sales, then there is defiantly a bit of overcharging.
@ahmedshafiul3851
@ahmedshafiul3851 Жыл бұрын
Killer review as always!
@hdsarma
@hdsarma Жыл бұрын
Nice review 👍, please review the Violectric V550 Pro.
@bubblehead5394
@bubblehead5394 Жыл бұрын
Why do I think, big baby 👶, when watching your videos?
@bmaietta
@bmaietta 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@punpck
@punpck Ай бұрын
15:30 it looks like as a capacitor curve, with some load on it it should be probably not visible.
@PiercingSight
@PiercingSight Жыл бұрын
I wish there were objective ways to measure all of the qualities talked about when it comes to DACs and AMPs, and how much of these differences are actually audible. Right now, it's all ambiguous and difficult to discern how much of the qualities is because of the AMP, because of the DAC, and how much is simply individual placebo. It also doesn't help that most headphone measurements don't go up to the limits of human hearing (for many younger people, up to 24khz is perfectly audible). Do you have any thoughts on the differences between objective and subjective measurements, and what differences will actually be audible to different people?
@neilsnyder7915
@neilsnyder7915 Жыл бұрын
I feed my ar23 from a TT2/Mscaler and this may account for why I do not agree with GoldenSound’s sound impressions. Detail retrieval at sub and mid bass is tight and articulate. Treble has energy without fatigue.
@nick62876
@nick62876 Жыл бұрын
hello golden sound can i please ask you if you have ever reviewed the holo audio cyan dac/amp i know holo has a great reputation and i know of which you are a great fan of , there seems to be little or no reviews on you tube only a few written reviews online. any info would be great there is one for sale online at a great price just do not want to make a mistake . great work thank you for your time.
@eightrodway
@eightrodway Жыл бұрын
You should review the Isoacoustics Orea pucks. They're great and not heinously priced. I have them under all my electronics and the Gaia feet under my speakers.
@aceofspades6667
@aceofspades6667 Жыл бұрын
Any chance you could review a Mass Kobo 394 ii or OJI BDI-DC44B G-Tuned ? I think that pretty much rounds out remaining TOTL SS amps with perhaps the CFA3 and Dark Star missing from your review catalog. On the tubes side Trafomatic Primava, Riviera AIC-10, and Viva Egoist 845 would be the 3 mains ones missing that you haven't had a chance to review.
@Vsread21
@Vsread21 5 ай бұрын
65db SINAD??? Did I read that right?
@lalawilson1988
@lalawilson1988 Жыл бұрын
cannot wait for the holo bliss review
@mat.b.
@mat.b. Жыл бұрын
great review
@LSDScreen
@LSDScreen Жыл бұрын
The Enleum comes with rubber pads to stop it sliding around.
@orthosympa6993
@orthosympa6993 Жыл бұрын
I would love a complete review of the ferrum oor and the Ifi IDSD/ICan signature in the future. I've been using the rebel amp for the past 2 years and i'm curious to know how much of an upgrade I would get from a 2-3k$ amp
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape Жыл бұрын
Nice review, as an owner of much bakoon equipment you need to run in current mode to hear the best, I am less a fan on the Korean version as much more expensive though sweet looking
@Damien_N
@Damien_N Жыл бұрын
Have you looked at the Sony TA-ZH1ES? I assume you'd have words (good and bad) to say about the curious design decisions, build quality, output power level & the digital enhancements it offers.
@craigenputtock
@craigenputtock Жыл бұрын
$6k? Why not charge $12k, or even $20k. Someone would pay it.
@johnratcliffe6438
@johnratcliffe6438 Жыл бұрын
Good job chap!
@neilsnyder7915
@neilsnyder7915 Жыл бұрын
AR23 comes with silicon disks for feet which prevents movement. Obviouisly you did not get
@sc0or
@sc0or Жыл бұрын
6000? And a power line EMI filter is for ... those cheap China products? Thank you that gave us a chance to take a look inside. I don't see anything that can explain that absurd price. A cheap toroid, a cheap BUF634, cheap sockets, cheap resistors... It reminds be Lampizadors with USB modules from eBay.
@ibrahim-alani
@ibrahim-alani Жыл бұрын
I hope you review the HoloAudio - Bliss Headphone Amplifier
@rustygates3367
@rustygates3367 Жыл бұрын
Great review GS! Can I ask, did you limit the gain to 7dB for the HP out or did you switch it open to the full 22.5dB? I own this, but a later revision with serial Hxxx as opposed to Axxx. I drive it with the the Mojo 2 currently running it at 3V instead of the measured recommended 0.3V. I find that as I INCREASED the output level of the Mojo 2, I get a better outcome from the AMP-23R; have tried both voltage levels extensively and the higher output voltage on the Mojo 2 always wins on perceived clarity / separation and DR, in contrast to what was measured. Also, have compared the sound between the Mojo2 direct and out of the AMP-23R with a lot of bass, mid-bass heavy music and always preferred the more dynamic and impactful presentation of the Enleum; this amp can follow every little transient cue and highlight every single nuance in the input signal. I would never have thought the AMP-23R mid bass to be anywhere near "wooly" and always thought it was extremely tight and articulate, BUT the Mojo 2 direct is slightly better on clarity in that region, yet not in a way you'd ever be able to tell unless you were doing some extensive AB'ing. Will be interesting to test when I get my Mola Mola Tambaqui. I've been listening using the OG Utopia's btw. Still hearing pops as I change gain with the Hxxx version, though with so much power on tap and such swings in volume just from a small movement of the gain control, I don't think anyone is crazy enough to be swinging it from 0 to 100 and back like that.
@Peace_Guard
@Peace_Guard Жыл бұрын
Let us know on the Mola Mola impressions once you get it, very interested in it, though outside of my range at this moment.
@rustygates3367
@rustygates3367 6 ай бұрын
​​@@Peace_Guard So, I have been using the MMT with the Holo Bliss for the last 4 months of 2023 exclusively, and now I've started using it with the AMP23R recently and what I can tell you is that the MMT with the 23R made me realise that its the best amp purchase I've ever made. It is that much better than my Holo Bliss with my Utopia 2022 and SennHD650, and it brings out more of the qualities of the MMT than the Bliss does. The mid range is better, its faster and more effortless, the timbre is right on perfect, hits harder in the bass and has highs which are smooth, dark and extremely detailed. Just as transparent as the Bliss, but the Bliss has a slightly larger stage.
@Peace_Guard
@Peace_Guard 6 ай бұрын
@@rustygates3367 Thanks for actually getting back to it. Interesting alternative opinion, I feel like the vast majority of people were happy to switch all of their SS amps (other than higher-end ones like Kobo 465 or maybe HM1) to Bliss, including 23R. 23R seems to have an opinion of best warm SS amp, which means it fits best for HPs on the thinner, brighter side (Utopia) or with underpowered bottom end (HD650, Sus), I wonder if your opinion would be the same in case of warmer HPs. Personally I own Meze Elites, 80$ ISK HD9999 (my hidden love) and Senn IE900 - all on the warmer side. So my logic is that a musical, but rather neutral amp like Bliss would fit best. And in case of wanting to venture into the warmer direction, due to 23R being a bit overpriced, it seems it might make more sense to go for a similarly priced tube high-end option such as Feliks Envy or Woo Wa23, especially for dynamic HPs that seem to profit most from tubes. So I'm assuming that if I ever get a high-end mid-to-high impedance dynamic (Atrium, Utopia), it would be only after I have a high quality OTC SET tube.
@mr.dynamite2543
@mr.dynamite2543 Жыл бұрын
That DC offset is scary. Wow. Wasn’t expecting that.
@darrellross8609
@darrellross8609 Жыл бұрын
GS, I have a Jotunheim 2 so you know I'm done, you know I'm happy. I always watch your videos anyway...! Best, D. p.s. SMSL DO200 DAC, so yeah. #W. B. Cables matter.
@techmed-rainer
@techmed-rainer Жыл бұрын
Danke!
@bretspangler8717
@bretspangler8717 Жыл бұрын
After seeing the Holo Bliss the build and parts just don't compare, the Bliss is superior in every aspect and a bargain when compared.
@jon4715
@jon4715 10 ай бұрын
Wish Holo would produce an integrated amp to compete. Even just an amp.
@rustygates3367
@rustygates3367 6 ай бұрын
Well, I own both the Holo Bliss (was using it exclusively for the past 4/5 months) and the AMP-23R (V3, which is the next revision up from the GS review unit), and the AMP-23R comfortably trumps the Bliss in Sound Quality in all aspects except for stage size when paired with the Mola Mola Tambaqui, through both Focal Utopia and Senn HD650 HPs. The Bliss is now up for sale.
@fabriziosiano7210
@fabriziosiano7210 Жыл бұрын
Would you go for the primaluna + OOR over the woo wa33?
@henriksrensen3220
@henriksrensen3220 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Any chance of you reviewing Gryphon Diablo 120 amplifier?
@joshbritton3268
@joshbritton3268 Жыл бұрын
Does anybody have any recommendations for were to learn about how audio gear works and the theory behind different design patterns?
@mrfrosty3
@mrfrosty3 Жыл бұрын
Its so pretty, thats my contribution.
@toai2
@toai2 2 сағат бұрын
dang you guys are the riches, 6K for this amp?? wow
@fatdoi003
@fatdoi003 Жыл бұрын
with all the power from the amp to HP out with only such dinky wire connecting both ends..... surely they can do better
@neilsnyder7915
@neilsnyder7915 Жыл бұрын
I use my AR23 fed by a TT2/mScaler. 😅Detail and image separation in the bass is fantastic. I wish he had detailed his source chain as this can have a great impact on sound quality. I trialed the Ferum Forge gear and the AR23 is noticeably more powerful, impactful, and dynamic.
@jungtarcph
@jungtarcph Жыл бұрын
Volume tech sounds cool. but because it measures so bad, it defies its purpose...
@nunoferraz5426
@nunoferraz5426 Жыл бұрын
Top notch review by someone who loves music ...sinewave 🙌🏻
@nonchalantd
@nonchalantd 9 ай бұрын
@techmed-rainer
@techmed-rainer Жыл бұрын
Very nice and accurate review, thank you! One thing I don't get about the Susvara, though. I don't get it. Why are they considered such outstanding headphones? To me, it seems part of their reputation is related to the fact that hardly any amp can drive them properly. Let alone any cheap stuff under 1000 Euro / $. It's fine, when very good and expensive headphones need capable amps and dacs. But to exceptional good headphones shouldn't sound bad on the vast majority of gear out there. This makes them a not really good pair of headphones, imho.
@strangelyrepulsive77
@strangelyrepulsive77 Жыл бұрын
4:12 no pun intended
@nespressoman
@nespressoman Жыл бұрын
Golden, you are amazing. Thank you.
@dougg1075
@dougg1075 10 ай бұрын
If it’s was 3500 bones , I would consider it. 65 hundred dollar bills is a bunch:)
@TheCharlesAtoz
@TheCharlesAtoz Жыл бұрын
RnD costs a lot, and how does it sound? For me, too much to spend.
@omni6409
@omni6409 Жыл бұрын
The other reviews were selling this product hard.
@dennisfrancis1126
@dennisfrancis1126 Жыл бұрын
$6k? Seriously?! All anyone needs to do is look and compare to the current offerings from HoloAudio, Schiit Audio, Denafrips, etc. to see this is about $3000. over priced….
@jon4715
@jon4715 10 ай бұрын
The internals of this thing are sub-holo by a lot. And even sub-schiit.
@SergeySedlovsky
@SergeySedlovsky Жыл бұрын
Apollo Bliss, hmmm
@paulomontero12
@paulomontero12 Жыл бұрын
the inside doesn’t justify the high price.
@matthewhilty4209
@matthewhilty4209 Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of having a Tube Amp without the tubes , but 6k dollars is a very tall ask IMO.
@atavachron27
@atavachron27 Жыл бұрын
Not really, considering you have a totl speaker amp (for sensitive speakers) and a headphone amp that will drive anything. A small package that does so much is an attractive proposition that isn't really offered by anyone else that I can think of.
@henningbortne8650
@henningbortne8650 Жыл бұрын
Love yours videos, but learn to set your compressor right 😀 regards from senior Mastering Engineer
@bw8827
@bw8827 Жыл бұрын
Always exceptional, informative and detailed videos. In this instance you've reaffirmed my opinion that so many hi-fi products are a complete rip-off. There is no way the price tag of this item can be justified. You pointed out that some of the components were not of the highest quality, so taking that into account and the overall performance, plus having it manufactured in Korea all point to it being a massively overpriced component.
@User_not_found_403
@User_not_found_403 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't jump to conclusions based on just the components. IMO, they are charging a premium for this amp because of the intellectual property that went into the design. This is not your typical, insert a class D chip and use high quality opamps and capacitors. They use many clever techniques in the design to minimize signal path, a current based technology to minimize signal loss, maximize dynamic range, and you're getting a class A/B design in a tiny form factor. It is unique because it has both tube and solid state characteristics. It also drives speakers and headphones both amazingly well. I always like Goldie's analysis but I think he too quickly downplayed the big price tag just because the 23R came from the R&D for the 13R. Its not a commodity amp - its a high end piece for headphones and speakers.
@nicoras8803
@nicoras8803 Жыл бұрын
The problem in the DC offset is because the gain control is part of the overall NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, so not even think there is zero negative feedback. In my opinion, the designer should go back to school.
@IHearEverythingDude
@IHearEverythingDude Жыл бұрын
What's the brand of those blue caps? SAMWHA? If yes, it's highend AF 🤣 ps. 1.4v dc offset H@H@H@H@H@H@.
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