Enough is Enough.

[@beccaxavz]

THISS they wait until idols are gone to start treating them like humans

[@skyofthelivingdead]

Sulli comes to mind.

[@canyincanada]

and despite this, many heinous netizens continue to further degrade those idols after their passings.

[@soobiedoobiedoowru]

Exactly, they only change after the damage is done.

[@greenthinggg]

​@00useresu00this! And even then some people still comment under other idols comments "go join Sulli" it's disgusting

[@hanz31357]

@@greenthinggg that's wild. wtf is wrong with people

[@ignaciotorovillacura6342]

The lack of empathy seems to be an epidemic on the internet, the feeling of getting absolutely no consequences being hateful towards someone you don't know is getting out of hand and extremist. That is abuse of free speech, defamation and slander, and only people who can't respect themselves and are so insecure about their achievements would hate so hard on someone else's mistakes.

[@tiramisunsun]

Totally agree. There's always been haters and trolls on the internet, but those days it feels like it multiplied and everyone gets a pass for being an assh*le because "that's just how the internet is" or "I'm just stating my opinion" and I find that not only bad but hypocrite. Everyone is fine with hating until it targets them or someone they like. A lot of k-pop stans especially should reflect on their words and the impact they can have, instead of seeking hit tweets and social validation for hating a celebrity.

[@danny8747]

i feel like the hate is ESPECIALLY towards women nowadays. a woman can post simple video and itll get hate. the amount of misogyny and incel behaviour in the comment section is insane. i barely ever see any news about boy groups but the girl groups are getting into "controversies" or are getting "hate" every other day

[@Jay-sl1pf]

💯. I'm so glad she mentined SultryFilm.

[@cami_triz83]

​​@@danny8747 I mentioned it with a friend of mine as a joke, but going into youtube shorts and finding any video with a lot of views with a woman in it, 9 times out of 10 there WILL be people being misogynistic in the newest comments. I'm even able to tell exactly what it will be ridiculing the woman about accordingly to the context of the video, and that's why I joked about it becoming basically a guessing game. I would love to become a little fly and be able to watch what those people's lives are like behind the screen.

[@cami_triz83]

​​@@danny8747 also unfortunately it isn't a "nowadays" kinda issue. It's always been that way. People just express it differently now because before being misogynistic was not applauded and seen as cool or justified like it is now thanks to Andrew tate and stuff

[@mykaluvy]

I actually hate the lack of empathy that is becoming the norm on the internet. People love to use the anonymity the internet gives them to be as cruel as they want too. These same people wouldn't act this way irl and definitely would be regretful if that person took their life from their bullying. We should not be treating people like this, this ends lives!

[@seokjinsrunnynose8637]

this!!

[@greenthinggg]

It's baffling how this has been happening for years yet the kpop space doesn't seem to change it all. When will the hate trains end?

[@user-dk1hv4pv3x]

The Internet has always lacked empathy, the common man has always lacked empathy. Not making an excuse for it, but it’s always been present.

[@vixxexo6855]

Are we supposed to feel bad for millionaires earning money for doing nothing? Le Sserafim and all those kpop idols do not care about us, so we should not care about them either. I doubt Sakura knows you even exist.

[@mykaluvy]

@vixxexo6855 no amount of money someone makes makes it right to treat someone like shit... what does Sakura knowing me have to do with my belief we shouldn't be cruel? If you don't see it as a problem then fine but if any of those idols take their lives then remember that you contributed to it.

[@adewoyinaderonke6277]

That is what I keep telling everyone, Sakura does not lack talent and has definitely improved, but her self-confidence is totally dead. And if she does not gain it back, she will be bad at everything she knows how to do best while questioning herself every day. Kpop fans need to back off before we start hearing something evil happening to the girls 😢

[@meilichankan9282]

This, I've been saying this everywhere but people kept ignoring or straight up mocking me for "being a softie"?? As someone who struggles with anxiety and low self-esteem, I know how hard it is to do your job well even if you're actually skilled. It kills you on the inside and people only pointing out your mistakes doesn't help at all. it makes you even more doubtful and scared of doing anything. And even when you give your all to do a good job, you end up messing up. I genuinely think that even tho she's not the most talented idol ever, Sakura's case isn't about a lack of talent

[@narkogrunt7863]

@@meilichankan9282The thing is that Sakura is not skilled. She has always lacked and is still lacking.

[@angeline-a-gale]

@@meilichankan9282this!!!! I have been the top salesperson in my state. Then i got BAD anxiety. To the point I would wake out of sleep screaming about my sales goals. I couldn’t look a customer in the eye. And it was all anxiety. I wasn’t bad at what I did. It’s just how things go.

[@Ezra.12-25]

​@@narkogrunt7863she is a telnted singer but she never got proper training that's why people keep saying she is talentless and not skilled enough in Akb48/Hkt48 they don't give vocal lesson in iz*one they had so many promotions they never had enough time to train and now only in Lsrfm she got actuall vocal lessons but she already strained her voice in this years trough fals singing

[@baggyjeans127]

this is so true bcs she did so well at coachella, she can perform and sing live, she js has no confidence

[@Joohyuniex]

I understand the criticism of the vocals but I don’t agree with this prolonged hate anymore. They worked on it and are improving. No cause for any more hate

[@kuju2315]

Good people but the wrong profession

[@blessingo.6788]

This, they can criticise, ppl will always do so but the death threats were unwarranted

[@no1reveluv]

There shouldn’t be hate to begin with they did nothing wrong or anything that was against the law. These crazy insane hooligans just took it too far and just wanted to hate for their amusement instead of educating or helping the members of the group or as a whole.

[@narkogrunt7863]

@@no1reveluvbut they did everything wrong in Coachella. They did all the notes wrong.

[@no1reveluv]

@@narkogrunt7863 if they did all the notes wrong then people should’ve just spoke about that rather than HATING ON THEM till the point they lack confidence or want to give up on singing atp (I’m not saying this happened but it could Ynk)

[@freedomprice9173]

The most infuriating comments that was " instead of crying she should go to a vocal coach" as if she wasn't with a vocal coach IN THE SAME SNIPPET you don't even have to watch the entire episode just that snippet alone would tell you that she is with a vocal coach

[@SamEricLlort]

She focused more on crying then learning how to sing. The vocal coach also seemed bad. Like being lesserafim’s vocal coach is not a flex.

[@LaeLove-x9s]

@@SamEricLlortBut, she was trying to support her.

[@DualPippa]

​@@SamEricLlort Don’t follow them then. I don't get having this much negativity when there's an easy solution for you. Block them and let the people who like them keep listening to them.

[@DualPippa]

​@SamEricLlort It was one video, and she's clearly stressed out. You are criticizing her for having a normal human reaction to stress. Smh, this is sad. Focus on your own life if you have that much negativity for others.

[@ot5lsf]

​@@SamEricLlort and you're focused on hating rather than actually focus on yourself. LMAOOOOOOO BFFR.

[@Nao-fo8sc]

Imagine if, God forbid, she had ended her life because of all this. You better believe the biggest bullies would've been the first to cry that we need to be kinder to idols and how things need to change. It's always like this. Dang hypocrites

[@dt.reveucse]

Literally its so sick

[@conchispace]

“failed to protect her😢” my ass. so disgusting

[@florence9702]

They would just blame the label and the media

[@liyan00]

It's honestly something that always sits in the back of my head all the time especially in the last few months

[@SamEricLlort]

Sakura should get a thicker skull if she gets that much affected for people telling her to learn to sing. Or best of all quit being an idol.

[@athaya2992]

LS vocal trainer is so sweet

[@SamEricLlort]

But not good in her job. She can’t even teach someone how to sing.

[@driftinganima]

@@SamEricLlortlol your reply only proves the video's point 🤣🤣🤣

[@CreamieBunnies]

@@SamEricLlort I'm sorry, but in the least offensive way, I don't think you watched the whole video or the documentary.

[@DualPippa]

​ @SamEricLlort You have nothing better to do and it's sad. You do not know the coach nor her history yet you are passing on your hate for LS to her. Smh You're just showing that you are a hater. Vocal improvement takes time. It doesn't happen overnight just like weight loss can't happen overnight.

[@MaryyDeriu]

​@@SamEricLlort People like you almost pity me, because at this point you must have something wrong with your head to not having understood anything that was said in the video, if you even watched it..

[@PrincessAlliOfFreaks]

I say this on TikTok, and I'll say it on YT aswell, people like SultryFilm arent "harsh", theyre straight up bullies 😭. You can criticize a idol without being hateful and making them break down

[@jwllyfish06]

all there stuff is like that when I first found the channel I was like "oh this video is kinda good, or oh I kinda agree with them" and then like 4 videos later I was like "this is just plain bullying"

[@MysticBunne]

sultryfilm is THE WORST, i hate seeing their content. they literally shit on everyone like their life depends on it. ive commented on their videos before how theyve been targetting people like blackpink over and OVER and people have agreed with me. like dont you ever get bored? maybe go touch grass? sorry your life is so pathetic and sad that you need to hate on idols that will always be better than you to just feel a tiny bit of happiness. listen to wireshred and MOVE ON. they are a literal sadistic. period. edit: oops.. sorry if i sounded mean i just had a lotta rage in me while typing this..

[@PrincessAlliOfFreaks]

@@jwllyfish06 REAL, im so glad I woke up and got it together

[@natashambulo3510]

I'm surprised ppl give her opinions time of day.

[@softtstrawberriecustardd]

fr, i got attacked by one of them under a video about bc they made a video about ahyeon’s dancing and i simply said “if you dont like the way she dances dont look at her”

[@Jayegato]

"It's the complete and total lack of empathy" yup yup yup. Sultry film saying that clip of sakura breaking down made them "bust out laughing" made me give the biggest side eye. I really have no stake in lessera and I honestly heavily dislike a lot of their music. But how can you watch that clip and not feel bad?

[@musicinterest-dib]

why do you watch sultry. This is the worst channel that may exist - it is the definition of what you have written in the quotes

[@jenniemochixo]

Sultry is one of the worst kpop channels i've ever seen... they've been bashing groups left right and centre for years atp

[@CHAESTAR95]

Sultry films hates everything and everyone, I'm convinced it's just rage bait at this point

[@louisgomez2090]

You watching that channel is giving support to her

[@ohwellwhatcanyado]

Where did they say that tho... Genuinely asking, couldn't find it on her yt channel...

[@Laura-bi3gj]

Even if you’re good at sth, when you lose confidence bc of pressure or anxiety or just anything you’ll be afraid of doing it EVEN IF YOU ARE GOOD. I know people who bc of one mistake they did they are made to feel dumb when in reality they aren’t but they start questioning themselves and that also affects how well they do things later. So her being afraid of singing is probably not bc she can’t sing but bc she feels the pressure or is questioning her ability and that was probably carried into the next performances and Coachella. She needs confidence to actually recognize she’s capable of singing well and in return improve. If you don’t believe you are good then it’ll be hard to improve and might even decline. It has little to do with her experience in the industry or her actual abilities. It’s her mental state, she needs support not hate or “criticism”. She needs to be reminded she’s capable. At least in my opinion

[@adyaparamitaputripratama2786]

No, youre actually correct. I can see that happening to her and someone in hybe/soumu or someone close to her (maybe an izone member whos close to sakura other than chaewon or idk, her prev group member/s) to remind her how she's capable to sing

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

reminds me of an episode of suchwita with hoshi, I don't remember if it's one of the comments or the host but they said "if you're good, people tell you you're good but you don't feel like it, then people will think that you're bad".

[@moonies321]

I struggle with this till now, self-confidence is so difficult. The anxiety and constant questioning yourself is truly frustrating as you just can’t seem to be free from the pressure of having to be good in others eyes and expectation. It truly takes away the enjoyment and fulfillment of doing things, especially things you love or things you are known to good at

[@shreeyasahu1731]

100% agreed

[@deukaedarling]

blocked sultry films channel ages back and found it so unbelievably strange how no one seemed to find their content to be weird, very refreshing hearing them being called out without hesitation, channels like theirs do not deserve an audience theyre just purely hateful, i cant even begin to fathom how insanely miserable they must be to not only have something cruel to say about EVERY tiny thing, but to also spend all their time focusing on these things they hate and compiling it for views. just a repetitive, self fulfilling prophecy of their own negative emotions at this point, i pity them.

[@star-miubin]

I came across a lot of their BlackPink videos and I decided to check the channel out for other sorts of content they made. Literally ALL of it was shitting on other groups, but BP in particular. It seems that they just pick out the most popular group to hate and then make tons of videos knowing that the people who gravitate towards that content will agree with them.

[@deukaedarling]

@@star-miubin right! i remember getting recommended a lot of their hate videos and wondering why i never saw good reccs from their channel, i was so surprised when i realised that negative videos was absolutely ALL they did, its pathetic 😭

[@DualPippa]

I hope channels like that would get sued or shut down by YT. People are just too comfortable bullying others. They shouldn't get paid or have a platform to bully.

[@deukaedarling]

@@DualPippa really hope someone takes action like wonyoung did with sojang !! i agree, they should not be making profit from harassing people.

[@jaymiex77]

how do you block yt channels i gotta block her and the kpop spy 😭😭

[@chaerii]

When you talked about the importance for mental health, I connected it to Lia’s situation. In the past few years she had been getting wrecked for “lazy dancing” and her performances continued to decrease in energy as a result. I don’t think anyone (her company and fans) did anything substantial about it, causing her to literally leave the group for a year. You don’t know what you got till it’s gone- because now every hater on the block went from slamming her dancing to hoping she recovered quick. And for what? To slam her again next comeback? I see so many edits about minors in the industry and idols who have passed saying we need to protect idols. However, the general public still hates on anyone who show an ounce of weakness. Let’s face it, kpop idols have way higher expectations than any other singers, and yet often times they perform better than said singers. If they don’t, it’s really not the end of the world. In Coachella, le sserafim were so excited for the opportunity and didn’t do that bad in my opinion. They hyped up the crowd and did the dances well, having fun in the atmosphere. Criticism usually has two parts, recognizing success and notifying the person/people about their weaknesses, but nowhere did I see any praise for the girls. It gets me so upset that some people act like it’s a crime for me to like groups like Le Sserafim and ILL-IT even after poor performances, and force their beliefs on you. Anyways, awesome video and sorry for the rant I’m just so fed up with this!

[@aixxav3rs3]

Oh that's why Lia had anxiety I didn't know. That illit fact is so true like illit even addressed the fact they were being hated and were practicing and have even proved theirselves that they can sing even le sserafim. K-pop stans don't learn from past experiences like sulli

[@jc-zt9uw]

i can’t agree more!!😭😭😭 the lia situation is such a good example😭😭 this side of the kpop fandom infuriates me :( i feel like for a while i kinda thought like it’s mostly korean or chinese fans that can be toxic in the industry but all of this recently makes me feel like US fans are worse😭

[@booqqa]

"she's been an idol for over ten years" "it's the truth" you can agree to all that and the haters will still call you delusional just because you care about the idol's mental health

[@SBBunny93]

Her mental health is her responsibility to take care of though. Not the world around her. You can care about her mental health but if she is having a hard time she needs to take a break.

[@mymumoverwaterstheflowersd8071]

​@SBBunny93 how about people stop creating this terrible environment she needs to take a break from in the first place

[@wavzone]

@@SBBunny93 Literally how hard is it to take accountability for being a fucking bully? You people will make up any excuse just to not say "You know, maybe we shouldn't be so harsh on these idols." It's so fucking weird.

[@anikadelabajo759]

@@SBBunny93well, it’s her responsibility but she needs help. All of us lean on people who are close to us during hard times. You need to talk to someone, you need some empathy. Sometimes you need your friend to take you out shopping. Sometimes, you need your mom to cook dinner for you and discuss things over a glass of wine. This is how it goes. People need people. And in the industry she works, first of all, she needs people around her to make time for therapy in her schedule. If she’s struggling, but all she has to do is practices, performs and does promos, obviously, she won’t have the time in her schedule t og oto therapy. To rest. To recover. Isn’t that her manager’s responsibility to clear up her schedule, so that she can rest?

[@yyychfake1590]

she didnt have the training korean idols got back in japan. and otr back in izone werent really serious with them back then. only under hybe did she have those

[@afsaratasnia9150]

"their getting more backlash than actual criminals" Yeah sis that line is so true those guys from the burning scandal walked away scott free

[@Asdfghjjjk]

Really?? Serungi has recently received a lot of hate for him attending event. yeah he deserve it. but why are you acting like he was not hating. It just yt did make video like this that it. you can find article or insta post. he still getting hate

[@afsaratasnia9150]

@@Asdfghjjjk he's getting hate ? That's it ? For what he did he should be jailed he did get away Scott free his gf Hyuna is getting more hate than him

[@Asdfghjjjk]

@@afsaratasnia9150 hyuna is not hating more. Its yt making more video about hyuna more. Because most of the new gen fans doesn't know seungri or others, so they are doing it as trend. Hyuna is not seungri gf..

[@Once_2_Twice9]

Bro the way you WENT OFF ABOUT SULTRY FILM🗣️💯🔥 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK🗣️🗣️💯💯🔥🔥

[@KiiriisDiaryy]

ikr? when I saw her recent video about the documentary I was shocked.. the lack of empathy is insane

[@LinnithBackup]

​@KiiriisDiaryy you were so shocked you commented 3 times lol. But really, what was that video for? Why does that video even was posted, that was the best thing Hybe could do to at least minimize the hate train that le sserafim was getting, noting else would work, they could've improved and be the better vocalists of kpop people would stil hate on them non stop. Showing how all that hate affected them was the best thing they did, it was so harmful and so bad. Hopefully thing will be better now

[@KiiriisDiaryy]

@@LinnithBackup oh noo I think it accidentally got posted 3 times 😭 so basically that channel THRIVESS off of negative content and especially if it's related to lsfm

[@Chuu_Vault]

Literally the moment you dropped the KZbinr that shall not be named i was like: PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!

[@jayjuniee6596]

I hate the way women are treated in the industry, they deserve better

[@LiitoTuotanto]

I hated seeing how Sakura was attacked. People were saying that how can a singer be afraid of singing, it’s like a chef afraid of cooking, how is that possible? I think they do not understand that a professional can loose their confidence quickly. A normal person can ride a bike but if someone is shouting malicious comments about their biking skills they will start to belive in them: psychology 101. It’s the same thing. If you don’t belive in your skills it really doesn’t matter if you have them, your performance will be affected. Also it’s kinda annoying when people bring the coachella performance up all the time. I think everyone can relate how it’s not nice when you do one mistake and it’s brought up all the time, not letting you prove that you can do better than that.

[@vixxexo6855]

Le Sserafim were bad even before criticism. You fans blame everyone except Hybe and Le Sserafim. Those are the biggest problem. Hybe should have never debuted New Jeans, Le Sserafim or Illit. All of them lack talent and they disbanded or ignored their only talented girlgroups that are Gfriend and Fromis_9.

[@diphylleiagrayi1032]

​@@vixxexo6855Why are you under every comment section? Do you have nothing better to do than rot all day and hate on people?

[@blibbleboop7930]

​@@vixxexo6855 you're on every comment ruminating in hatred. You're the exact reason this video was made. Get a job and some damn soap!

[@DualPippa]

People can develop anxiety from this type of hate. Especially when their job is to perform in front of people. I hope they don't loose their passion for performing.

[@jjhaya]

The way idols are often coddled in the K-pop industry isn’t doing any favors for the overall scene. I’m not a fan of bullying, but it feels like valid criticism gets labeled as harassment. Fans are quick to rally against bullying comments while brushing aside constructive feedback, often making excuses by pointing to technical or psychological issues. Sakura from LE SSERAFIM, for instance. Sure, mental health can play a huge role in performance, but let’s not ignore vocal ability here. Honestly, I think Sakura struggles with her singing-she often sounds pitchy and can come off as tone-deaf. This raises the question: does mental well-being alone justify subpar vocal performance? We’re seeing a trend where companies seem to prioritize visuals and dance skills over actual singing ability. As this becomes the norm, fans might start lowering their standards, accepting less-than-stellar vocals. I mean, even during encore performances, some idols, including Sakura and probably the whole group, often look a bit lost. With over a decade in the industry, including her days with AKB48, you'd think there would be some noticeable improvement in her technique. Instead, her voice still has that shaky quality, likely a result of not getting the proper training back in the day. It’s a bit rough to admit, but it seems some idols just don’t have the vocal chops to shine. You can chase your dream all you want and achieve your dream of performing in front of millions of people, but listening to her makes me dream that I'm deaf instead( exaggerating). The industry often puts forward idols who may not be ready for the spotlight, leading to harsh criticism that can really mess with their confidence and mental health-all just to line the pockets of the labels. At the end of the day, it would be great for the K-pop industry to reassess what it values. Focusing on nurturing genuine talent rather than just looks and choreography could help raise the bar for performances and keep the integrity of the genre intact.

[@eric-rm4zv]

I can't see kkura cry, it breaks my heart, she's such a good person and is much more then just a singer, netizens are the worst

[@SamEricLlort]

It makes me laugh😃😃😂🤣

[@1fool444yooh]

@@SamEricLlortWhat do we do with this information

[@lovelyseo.18]

​@@SamEricLlort Can you make a raw video of yourself saying such crap? Let's see your bravery

[@salembejaoui1880]

More than singer? She's not even a singer? She tries but she can't...

[@lovelyseo.18]

@@salembejaoui1880 more than a singer means she's got more to her persona than singing

[@pez.9u]

0:34 every popular girl group goes through this intense hate train at some point; Aespa, Ive, Blackpink, Itzy and now Lesserafim They're already starting with NewJeans.. The way women are treated in this industry is just horrible

[@TroubbleBubble]

Notice how it’s alway girl groups? Ye it’s never abt singing it’s abt hating women

[@trinichan5103]

As a fearnot it sucks that whenever i see lesserafim content on social media through their accounts u cant even comment on it and see what other fearnots are saying cause the haters took that from us. 😢 i get that its a way to protect the girls but yeah it sucks not being able to praise them in their comment section 😔

[@SamEricLlort]

What is there to praise about them? That they breath oxygen?

[@princess555o4]

​@@SamEricLlortyou're so rude it's gross. They can still dance very well and have great stage presence. Those girls are performers and just because you don't like their vocals doesn't mean they do nothing but breathe air. They're better than you anyway

[@Andrea-ie9vm]

@@princess555o4don’t respond to that person, they keep commenting rude and random things. Just ignore, no doubt they’re a troll

[@firework2158]

Report him he's a troll ​@@princess555o4

[@La-PetitMort]

@@SamEricLlort I hope you are rescued from the wilds soon and brought to a loving home so you can stop behaving like a feral being :(

[@tata12costa44]

Internet has normalized cyberbullying

[@seraphine4sapphics]

to become a kpop stan you must pick up your psychopath card at check in apparently, because how does any normal person watch someone break down and not be able to show any type of sympathy towards that person

[@zatismksb]

This is like Tablo case from before. People jist want to hate, it's like a witch hunt to find every little thing and turn it into hate or mistake. I also have some groups which I don't like, not the group more like their discography or their style. I just don't watch them. It as simple as that. This video should be watched by everyone. Thank you.

[@jc-zt9uw]

EXACTLY!!

[@Nanancay]

Tablo literally got hate for NOOO REASON and it affected his mental health so much, like holy shit. It's so sad.

[@DualPippa]

This. Just don't watch them. But these haters are mad the rest of us still support them.

[@gajurla]

Thank you so much for providing a sensible take! These people don’t actually care if the lsf girls can sing or not, they just want to find a new target to relentlessly bully. The girls have improved since their Coachella performance and have, according to this documentary, been taking vocal lessons - exactly what we as a community wanted to see, yet the hate still persists. It’s obvious to anyone who takes more than a few seconds to think about the situation that what they were receiving quickly developed beyond simple constructive criticism. They were receiving hate about their vocals on simple selfie posts, on videos absolutely unrelated to their singing abilities, they even had to disable all of their instagram comments. The cycle repeats every year, a gg gets bullied to no end for something that never warrants such an extreme reaction, a year or a few years later everyone suddenly switches up and feigns sympathy, claiming “they didn’t deserve the hate, we should collectively apologize to them” before finding a new target to bully. This community only cares about mental health if it benefits them. It’s sad to see misogyny still being so prevalent, especially knowing how often it’s perpetuated by female fans of girl groups. There are boy groups who have members that aren’t exceptional singers or performers, who also occasionally mess up and sound out of breath and make mistakes on stage (which are all normal things that happen to any performer) and they get nowhere near the amount of hate (which wouldn’t be deserved anyways!) or even criticism that could be used in a positive way to improve.

[@icrystalizz]

It’s really ridiculous when the kpop stan say “Korean society doesn’t care about the mental health of idols, they are also human beings” but, they soon come together to harass an idol when it doesn’t do everything perfectly Awful.

[@LeandroSFx]

Perfectly? She can not sing a simple line alive, she can not practice, she can not record, all end in cries. So she asked to have less lines to sing. An idol that do not want to sing. This group is a fraud. There are a lot of Lipsync and recorded bases. Just note at many "live" performances, they "sing" is perfect without failures, that is impossible, not even a breath. Playback.

[@egghead_felix]

Honestly, a complete lack of empathy started years ago. I noticed when COVID hit people just… stopped caring about others? They got meaner and meaner. And now it’s the norm. Gen Z and Gen Alpha (I’m Gen Z btw) make “jokes” that are actually just thinly veiled hate comments. They look at people crying and either laugh or think “well my life is worse so stop crying.” Empathy has left the chat for so many people. And as someone who gets easily emotional, especially when others are, it’s hard. I have a hard time not crying watching people win and lose at the Olympics ffs. Idols are REAL people. They struggle just like we do. Being an idol is their JOB and if we’re so big on not harassing people at work then we need to extend that to ALL people. It hurts me to see that I got more into LSF when all this hate hit them. I don’t understand. I’ll never understand. Kindness is free people.

[@vixxexo6855]

Sakura could care less about you. She is sitting in her private plane earning money despite having no talent. You should worry about yourself. Le Sserafim has to learn to sing and saying they need a vocal coach is not hate.

[@egghead_felix]

@@vixxexo6855 that’s not what I count as hate. There’s a difference. And this extends beyond kpop. If you read my comment you’d see that 🙄

[@caffelatte103]

During the pandemic people started to care only about themselves because "we're not coming out of this one", but COVID ended and people forgot the meaning of being all together in society.

[@jc-zt9uw]

this😭😭😭😭😭

[@La-PetitMort]

@@vixxexo6855 So at the end of the day you all don't see her as a human deserving of compassion.

[@skyofthelivingdead]

Gen Z and Gen Alpha display a LOT of antisocial traits, like lack of empathy, poor impulse control, and unrestrained anger over small things. Letting the internet raise kids instead of making them go the hell outside and build actual healthy relationships partly created this problem. It’s not just a kpop thing. Inb4 some triggered Gen Z or Alpha who feels attacked by this comes for my neck. Yes, I’m talking about you. Be a better person for Christ’s sakes.

[@TheAnonymousuchiha1225]

As an older GenZ seeing the younger ones being straight up cruel to others for the sake of being edgy yet cannot take any real time heat for actual faults in things they do. It’s overall harrowing. No matter the fandom, or niche space. Boomers and Gen alpha. Both scare me.

[@star-miubin]

Social media is where people's true faces are seen. If a person acts nice, but is absolutely horrible to others on social media, they don't deserve to be trusted.

[@podobunny1]

woah woah as a young gen z i can assure you i have no antisocial traits. remember, humans in general are always sometimes horrible. every generation has ppl who do horrible inhuman things

[@giyuutomioka7501]

I’m young anti-social gen z and I would never treat someone like this. I struggle with having empathy like comforting people but it’s easy for me to understand people’s emotions and know what not to do without emotions being obviously shown vocally or physically .

[@Ever.ro143]

Most hate starts from jealousy then they start making defamation posts to get others on their side & prey on idols waiting for the slightest mistake as a gotcha moment. In reality they’re all miserable & take it out on those for no reason. I truly don’t get how others defend their actions. A lot of idols you can tell are slowly losing passion & letting the hate break them down.

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

being an idol must be so exhausting, they're scrutinized for every mistakes, every cringe moment is recorded and you're told after to confront it and say sorry. our own ankward moments are already an hindrance, I can't imagine having them be seen by the world, how insecure they must feel. stans don't seem to understand that people aren't 100% perfect, mostly idols. hopefully it changes, that's what I see in bts at least, they're more free.

[@beans7867]

It’s terrifying to watch her get constant hate because she’s literally afraid to sing at this point. I feel so awful for her and hope she can build her confidence back up again.

[@Em-eq8qs]

one of the most infuriating thing about the encore backlash that (kinda but not really) started this whole hate train, is that even though she was shaky and nervous in that viral clip, the day after in the next encore sakura and the rest of the girls were already better and more stable and their last encore was just like the recording. If it was fair criticism, people would praise the improvement they have quickly showcased but they decided to stay stuck on compilations of mistakes since hate is what it’s really about

[@space_theatre3995]

Kpop stans and people in general who didn’t even know what was happening had no right to say what they said. They had quick improvement like you said but the hate kept flowing in. The worst part is people didn’t even think the hate was real they just believed fearnots are trying to push for sympathy (something these people clearly don’t have). Tf you mean “there is no lesserafim hate”. Fearnots are not delusional for worrying abt the mental health of their favourite idols.

[@Biowiz101]

Sultry films is the real sulttt.

[@scienceinlife124]

Even though i didn't even hated them, my point of view completely changed after watching their documentary. I really didn't know that being an idol was THAT hard. Their easy Vevo stage was fun when i used to watch it before but now not anymore. These 'fans' should know their limits. They've worked so hard for this. You'll never know what's been going off cam. My girl don't deserve this. Fighting fimies❤‍🔥

[@lislac]

It's honestly psychopathic how netizens can go from the "industry is so toxic" to "she should just unalive herself" in a day

[@grlsneverdie]

right! and they always say “well that’s just how the industry is, she shouldn’t have become an idol” then turn around and say idols are human too. hypocrites.

[@maxadamdor]

FINALLY SULTRY FILM 😭😭 literally are they WAYYY TOO INSECURE OR JUST ATTENTION SEEKER?

[@jwllyfish06]

i think they dont like kpop as a whole cuz every kpop gorup boy&girl is just bad for them

[@Sanatizer_1009]

FRR

[@chaaae-f1y]

I don't even wanna know how much money she earned simply by posting these incredible hateful videos

[@nwjeanz143]

Didn't she sell the channel to another person or am I tweaking?

[@chaaae-f1y]

@@nwjeanz143 No, they only sold their secondary channel, the big one still belongs to them

[@vivianliu752]

i think with the idolization, they put these idols on a pedstal. By extension, I think there's also a sense of inferiority (wow, she's so pretty, I could never be as cool as her etc etc) which makes them happy when they see the idols make mistakes, since it feeds their egos (even i could sing better than her, she sounds like a goat) and combined with group polarization and anonymity it makes them vicious and intent on tearing the idol down because even after all this they still don't really see the idol as human. writing it down idk if it makes sense lol in other words they view the kpop idols as an out-group (ap psych kids know what im talking about lol) because they're "so cool and so different from us" so once they start making mistakes it's also easier to bully them without feeling guilt or empathy

[@DualPippa]

I agree. These people get energy from hating on others, seeing others fail and finding others who agree with them. It's like they get a high from it. I don't think they truly care about good vocals. They would be supporting vocalist groups if they did.

[@wolfjooyeon]

Sympathy and decency look more like luxuries and not the bare minimum in a lot of kpop circles and that boils my blood. Just because you have the barrier that is a screen doesn't mean that you should forget that there are people on the other side of that screen

[@ktyss1626]

What worried me about the episode, is that sakura said stuff that idols that have taken their lives said before. Like, "why did I choose to be an idol?" "did I make the right choice?". I just hope she has a good support sistem that can help her through this

[@belllievia]

i feel the SAME exact way!! like oh my god.. and these people are the reason that le sserafims comments are turned off. AND THEY KNOW! like god .. go outside and interact with humans and maybe you can learn how to sympathize with others?? i mean like you said, this is just bullying. im not here for any of this i really hope a bunch of people hear and see this video. you truly did what needed to be done and not to mention ate up the one who shall not be named

[@wireshred]

Going through the comments people made about the docu was heartbreaking. It's like baseline decency and respect is non-existent to them, but the consequences sure are. I wish nothing but the best for those girls. They need it rn.

[@Briarpatchlogic]

YOU...are literally the ONLY person I have heard address when that scene with Sakura was filmed. Literally everyone was using it to fuel the hate train. I agree with you completely Proactive negativity is for losers

[@vanneygirl7439]

sultryfilm probably is a person who can’t do any more better in their life and decided to turn to bad things. guess they weren’t loved as a kid

[@cami_triz83]

That kind of low empathy literally reminisces lack of maternal and paternal love because it's like no caregiver ever taught them the basic values of life, like how to be compassionate and respectful. It's genuinely concerning

[@mickeysweedhouse1430]

I know they're bad but stop saying that about them not being loved by their parents because I'm not either but I dont act like that

[@dayennemeijer3597]

The people saying: 'She chose this life, it's her work'. Uhm, excuse me, I would cry if someone would talk about my work like that.

[@SamEricLlort]

Then you should never talk about a doctor who makes you disabled because of mistakes. You are not allowed to point out mistakes of others works.

[@star-miubin]

@@SamEricLlort Then don't cry when someone criticizes your own mistakes. Don't break down and tell us how hard your life is. Because it surely is not as hard as the lives of the girls you love to hate so much.

[@PorcelainLotus]

If Le Sserafim had a normal job and their skills for that job were lacking (like their singing abilities now) they would have already been fired

[@blibbleboop7930]

​@SamEricLlort a singer being bad at singing causes no harm in society. It effects no one and no lives are damaged or lost bc of it. A doctor, on the other hand, being bad at doctoring quite literally does. False equivalence is a fools hand. Try again.

[@blibbleboop7930]

​@@PorcelainLotus that's not the point tho. If they had a normal job and they were bad at it no one would really care. Let's say they worked at a coffee shop and everyday they messed up your order and were overall bad at their job, would you then proceed to disparage them and the coffee shop for months on end, send death/r*pe threats, and drive them to the point of breakdown? No, you wouldn't. At most you'd leave a one star review and move on. That's the point.

[@02222ping]

6:03 "It's just straight up bullying" AGREED💯 some ppl nowadays don't even have sense of humanity anymore😢

[@asmgbn]

clock it! ppl has normalized cyber bullying and it makes me laugh seeing them pretending to be mean girls while hiding in that accounts lmao wanna be regina george and the fact you would think lesserafim did a crime because of how much hate they're getting is insane, they don't give these energy to other idols who's problematic and did so many inappropriate things.. it's just insane to me

[@SkyFWWO]

2016: Twice 2017: Blackpink 2018: Momoland 2019: Momoland 2020: AOA 2021: aespa 2022: Ive 2023: not a real hate train 2024: Le sserafim

[@mingfei1622]

2023 also belongs to BP unfortunately

[@SkyFWWO]

@@mingfei1622 more like loona due to orbits’ toxicity tbh bp was almost forgotten in 2023

[@Valentinst4r]

i feel like 2020 was mostly itzy

[@SkyFWWO]

@@Valentinst4r the whole jimin mina scandal was probably one of the biggest scandals to ever come out of south korea tbh

[@Everyonesaytouswoo.ah3987]

Maybe 2022 also Nmixx

[@hellopuppycat]

I think idols owe us nothing. Idc if "it is their job", a singer's bad day/week/year would cause ZERO damage to society. I feel awful for her and I don't even stan LSF, seeing her breaking down like that makes my heart ache. How could anyone not feel remorse? I also feel bad for the groups those haters stan, I would be ashamed for life knowing my fandom its a bunch of vile freaks.

[@Reve-to-the-V]

Maybe I have this assumption because I'm a girl group stan that only keeps up with a few boy groups but why do these inhumane hate trains only ever happen to girl groups? Aespa, I've, Itzy and now Lesserafim.

[@snowflower2685]

As a girl group and boy group stan I'd say there are 3 main differences: 1. lots of girl group stans are multi stans whereas boy group stans often stick to 1 group almost obsessively - generally resulting in girl group stans being more likely to compare groups and call out their problems (and turn into haters), whilst boy group stans refuse to acknowledge problems to a whole new level, so they have fan wars instead (just endless my group is better than yours etc. which in a way is it's own endless cycle of toxicity since it gets really nasty). Girl groups have them too ofc but boy group stans take it to the next level 2. Girl groups tend to appeal more to the general public so more people are familiar with them - so more people to hate on them. 3. Misogyny, including a lot of internalised misogyny in young girls - I'm sure there are people who've done much better explanations than I feel I can... I should also mention that the occasional boy group will crop up and get a lot of really bad hate, like Stray Kids did right after debut, before they actually blew up, which was weird. But yes it's definitely girl groups who get these massive hate trains 99% of the time. There's got to be more to it, but that's all that's coming to mind for now.

[@wonderlucky1912]

Hi I agree with you, I started to realize that how more and more girl groups goes through a hate train at some point of their career(some hate trains are more inhumane and intense than others like you mentioned for Aespa, IVE, ITZY, and now LeSserafim.) •I would also like to include also NMIXX & Kep1er have both experience hate trains (in a way still to this day). From the amount of times I have seen people hate on the NMIXX & Kep1er members online unprovoked since both of the groups debuts in 2022. It’s hurts to see since both the NMIXX & Kep1er members have express in the past that they have lost confidence because of this. I am glad that the NMIXX & Kep1er members are doing better now. I have the same question as you why it’s always girl groups that receive hate trains.

[@snowflower2685]

I remember when Twice and Blackpink had really intense hate trains too so it's been here at least since 3rd gen...

[@whoopthy]

I feel like it's directly due to gg stans tbh, not to say bg stans are any better but gg stans tend to live out their mean girl fantasies on the internet and find joy in picking apart ggs specifically

[@beomkaslana]

And correct me if i'm wrong, but iirc it was somewhat started from SNSD era, but i don't really remember what kind of hate they received other than black ocean.

[@v.xwittrockiana5754]

Ive never been very invested in the kpop fandoms or scene, but the lack of empathy thing feels so very real. As someone learning how to actively perform, and has fallen behind (and is trying to catch up again), fear can easily choke someone out. Or, at least that's the case for me. The clip shown hit something in my soul, it's crazy that a screen can suddenly take people's ability to take a empathetic thought about what they're going to say away.

[@elissalang1177]

Just discovered this channel and wow there are people in the kpop community who have empathy! Thank you so much

[@quietcaracal]

I’m pretty new to k-pop, and really only became a stan because of Le Sserafim. It blew my mind how misogynistic and emotionally charged stans were online. The reaction to Sakura was a reminder that many fans, do not truly see idols as anything about than robots. They’ve allowed these spaces to be filled with such negativity and harassment, and it’s unbelievable how justified they feel in these actions. That is why no matter what, I will always call them out. How many more idols need to go on hiatus or pass away before we say enough?

[@Ross_P]

Le sserafim should’ve just performed without actually singing, like 99% of other girl groups before them and 95% of boy groups. Too bad they had integrity to try their hardest- unlike a shit ton of other groups who NEVER sing live anywhere, including times when sitting down and not dancing

[@musicinterest-dib]

the lack pf empathy is a huge issues in our Gen Z as well as the new Gen Alpha. It is so intense that idols's breakdowns seems to "us" as something that "we" achieved, as a reward

[@skyofthelivingdead]

Seriously, y’all make us Millennials looks tame with the lack of empathy. It’s very scary.

[@musicinterest-dib]

@@skyofthelivingdead Imo the issue is the fact that teenagers and young children spend too much time online than go and spend their energy = aggression outside. And this results in bad behaviour = energy to be wasted in online communities and since Kpop stans mainly spend time in Kpop, then there is the hate coming. I for example do a lot of activities daily and spend 2-3 hours in KZbin before going to sleep, so I have never felt the need to bash celebs. I don't even understand the point, like I won't become a better or more successful person by doing so

[@icymoontv]

@@musicinterest-dibFr! Some of us really need to go outside and touch grass.💀

[@SamEricLlort]

It is funny to watch Sakura press her eyes hard, to force the tears to fall out. Sultry film said everything right about Sakura.

[@star-miubin]

@@SamEricLlort You've been replying to a billion of these comments. Seriously, how worthless and pathetic is your life?

[@MrNooobie]

People truly do not have empathy anymore, They can't fathom putting themselves in others' shoes. I felt for Sakura in terms of the anxiety and inability to be scared of "performing". I'm not an idol/ person of fame, I can still get a feeling to a certain level but the fact the her anxiety is coming from 10x of what a normal person would go through breaks my heart and she STILL continues to go on and improve and work hard is such a inspiring thing. That goes for all the girls as well. That's why I like this group. I find a little bit of my self in each and every one of them.

[@reivolution]

FINALLY SULTRY FILM IS GETTING CALLED OUT. I'm sorry but their opinions are not even harsh, they are way beyond that. They honestly seem like an attention seeker who shames groups once they get hate by giving the saltiest comments. I understand if you don't like them, but no need to go above and beyond. I've never liked them, so Idk how they have 100k subscribers lmao. edit: Girl you ate by the way. We need more mature people like you 😭😭

[@pusheenheart312]

i have never heard of them, 100k subs??!! wtf??

[@Jade_dreamingforever]

It's so crazy because lesserafim was so loved and praised a lot back then. They part of the holy Trinity with nee jeans and ive. For some reason they become the most hated group at the moment. The switch up is crazy.

[@grlsneverdie]

I miss the days when they were the big trio :((

[@sima_cianea]

For some reason? They can’t sing that’s why they got hated

[@SadiaIslamShouki]

"For some reason "😂 I mean you can clearly see a clear reason for that, new Jeans or Ive, both aren’t top level vocalists, they are actually quite weak vocalists, while some of Lesserafim members are tone deaf, some of them were okay but they also regressed. So they sound like a bunch of non singers, like young students in school competition sound better than them. The reason for not liking them anymore is valid. But yes, I don’t agree with death threats comments and other things ( which I never came across but I know kpop community has weirdos)

[@tennalist]

GIRL SAY LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!📢📢‼️ Perfectly said video, thank you for speaking up on the matter even though i suppose you do not stan le sserafim anymore.

[@wireshred]

Treating others respectfully is the bare minimum. Even if I don't stan them anymore, I wish nothing but the best for them, and I hope they're able to comeback from all the hate they've received.

[@JoshuaAlto]

Even though I just casually listened to Le Sserafim, they deserved so much better & I hope they're doing okay. The lack of empathy toward people in general is one of those reasons that made me take a short break from listening to Kpop at least for a while.

[@maraoi]

fun fact : a variety of abuse and threats ISNT constructive criticism. hope this helps

[@grlsneverdie]

Criticism has your best interest in mind. These people hate lesserafim, they’re just bullies. it’s a shame

[@emilymzumara6916]

It's the fact that they got soooo much hate that they had to make a whole documentary explaining and expanding on their struggles and hardships as an idol so that ppl can finally understand that it is tough in the industry. They still got bullied. It is so sickening to see ppl dump on these idols lives for their own entertainment and distractions from their own life. Can the bullies understand and get into their DENSE HEADS that, oh idk, bullying is wrong?

[@zerobaseone4ever]

Thank you for making this im a sakura fan for years now and while i do agree they need to work on their vocals the hate she got for the past year has been nothing but disgusting its completely disgusting how can people say that about other people it felt as if everywhere i looked people were normalizing this hate for kkura its awful and i lost all my respect for kpop stans they treat idols like animals in cages make fun of them for the stupidest things and bully them it’s disgusting thank you for making this video and speaking on the issue because it felt like only a few people saw this as wrong

[@CK.Stellata]

The bit that my (very Neurospicy) brain cannot process is that it’s so much easier to just…say nothing. Not only is it the vaguely empathetic bare fucking minimum you can do, it take so much less effort to say nothing. Hating on someone, anyone, to the extent that idols (particularly femme groups) face every day? That takes effort & dedication. Why not just hold your damned tongue? Or at least give your fingers something else to do. Damn. (Thank you for posting this video. More folx need to Find Some Chill)

[@qr-eh9es]

People who need to pull others down to feel better about themselves disgust me. Yes, these women should improve in some aspects since they are singers.. but.. why so much slander and bullying? It seems unnecessary and not from a good place. Your video was great. Let's spread positivity to make the world better 😊

[@allyouhadtodowastay-xu3jm]

she's been debuting for 10 fucking years =))) being solo, in survival shows, and in 2 K-pop groups. Those times were enough for her to be in aespa's ability tbh. Not a fucking rookie who just debuted in more than 2 years. Plus, they're showing off to the audience that "how good" they are and even proud of it afterward. So there's no excuse for this kind of shit even if y'all consuming it's bullying. The hate is inevitable.

[@xsaber7]

I don't watch Aespa. I have no interest in their music. If you like Aespa so much and it fills your standards, then watch Aespa and shut your mouth.

[@allyouhadtodowastay-xu3jm]

@@xsaber7 It's not about their music, it's about their ability in vocals skill that I'm talking about. Even if I'm not bringing up aespa here, you're still gonna consume your ults it's the best at their skill and neglect the fact that they couldn't even sing a damn song which is their job tbh. Stop defending them, they have to take a whole vocal lesson from the beginning it's a fact. Crying and begging for empathy is just the last straw of the hate train to occur.

[@AbbyA-z6j]

What this whole video is about. You are mentally/emotionally unhealthy and immature. You seem to be pretending that there is something stopping you from scrolling past, ignoring and getting on with your own business. If this behavior is prevalent in your culture you don't necessarily realise how appalling it is. But to all right-minded and decent humans it disgusting. Let the young woman have some peace. There must be millions of enjoyable videos on this site for you to watch and listen to.

[@Bounceleenaforevah]

ofc coming from mys lmao

[@allyouhadtodowastay-xu3jm]

@@Bounceleenaforevah ??? im only karina wdym? it's just the skills that im talking 'bout. your ults vocal skills is weak,look at the facts girl

[@_chlo-chlo_7027]

sakura may be rich and beyond experienced, but that does not justify the horrific way she has been treated by the kpop community. and despite how easy it is to do a little bit of research into sakura and singing as a whole, some of you are completely unwilling to take a look around and realize that there are way more factors to sakura's current voice than just "not practicing." 1) SAKURA ISN'T SINGING IN HER RANGE: any singer will tell you that singing outside your range is difficult at best and painful at worst. this poses a huge threat for sakura because she's been singing in an extremely high vocal range since she was 13 yrs old. *13 YEARS OLD*!!!! I'm no vocal expert, but singing that high during her developmental years likely had a huge affect on her range and her vocal cords in general. such early beginnings of poor habits and vocal damage likely made it extremely difficult for her to suddenly sing lower songs (aka lsf's tracklist). 2) SHE LOST HER CONFIDENCE!!!!!: she went from one of the most adored idols in Japan to the most hated in Korea (and that's BEFORE the we're-all-bullying-sakura campaign). anyone with an ounce of empathy would realize that such a dramatic shift would be jarring if not absolutely devastating for sakura's self-confidence. and the docuseries has shown that this change has, in fact, affected her! which is completely human and not unexpected!! idols are people who have feelings (even as grown adults) because life is hard no matter how rich or experienced one might be. and for those of you saying she needs to "grow up" or "keep crying", who hurt you?? seriously, get a psych evaluation. (/hj) 3) SHE IS TERRIFIED: we might as well talk about the main arguing point of netizens: a lack of practice. people claim sakura doesn't practice enough, but the clip from the docuseries tells us otherwise. not only that, the clip depicts how anxious sakura is in the practice room and how much she fears being ridiculed (a totally normal fear btw). "flight" is a common anxiety response, so it would make complete sense to me if her response to a stressful scenario (singing/practicing) would be to avoid it at all costs. thankfully, sakura does not always avoid practices and seems to have a fighting spirit so there is still hope for her!

[@koooobyyy]

i just saw a video that SultryFilm made and honestly , it disgusts me how the comments are taking it. The commenters are implying that they shouldn't be crying and they should feel privilege to be part of a group this big and to become millionaires? I feel like the internet is unable to see the full picture of what it's really like. I feel like in this kind of situations , we should all look at the nuances instead of jumping in straight to the fact. People like sultryfilm is the reason why the fandom is so separated , the abuse of free speech is just straight up disgusting. Its funny how the word "millionaire" is used as a poster child when thrown at sakura when she shows emotion on camera. Its funny how the comments on sultryfilm complains saying they work in minimum wage. Its honestly ridiculous. Sultryfilm should not have a platform , they should not even have the right to make videos commenting about kpop news. Someone deplatform them !!!!

[@gxnnes]

people are really looking for a tragedy to happen... this same thing happened with other idols who are no longer with us, it can't happen again.

[@parjol9064]

These girls absolutely don’t deserve the hate BUT!! firstly, just because people are uneducated and uncivilised on the internet that shouldn’t absolve them from the constructive criticism. They clearly aren’t prepared enough vocally and that’s just sadly the reality of many kpop groups nowadays and it’s not okay. I don’t understand why some of this hate isnt channelled towards the company that has put them in this stressful situation IN THE FIRST PLACE, knowing damn well they’re not prepared.

[@rainflowerr]

the hate for these girls truly needs to stop before something horrible happens. we’ve seen how hate trains like these have affected other idols and yet people continuously still send vile things to them. i really don’t understand the end goal here, like do they really want another sulli or goo hara situation that badly? it’s so insane the way these people act.

[@adyaparamitaputripratama2786]

I remember people saying how Le Sserafim are "actors" and how trying to gain sympath. Even as far as making fun of Sakura because she said she's not sure if being an idol is the right job (i really wasnt joking). I'm not sure how people can make fun of people who genuinely ARE HAVING A BREAKDOWN

[@Aaronwarnerswife-]

Another thing I’ve realized is that the whole documentary is just depressing. We see the girls be comforted and helped but I really hope that the whole group is getting therapy and support. I hope to not see them for the rest of the year for the fact that I want the girls to comeback powerful and stable. Chaewon feels as thought everything is on her. That she’s not good enough. Yunjin(i hope I spelt that right) doesn’t know what to do anymore. That she feels the need to be,this big idol that changes the way the kpop industry works Kazhuka is trying to just better herself and question if it’s all worth it Eunchae is dealing with breathing problems and thinks low of herself Sakura has anxiety and questions everything she is worth. These girls need a break. A big fat break especially having to deal with the constant bulking and pressure from everyone. Another thing about the constructive criticism is that it’s no longer that. It’s bulking like you said it’s just a big excuse to tear idols down. It needs to change.

[@Jungwxc]

Yeah I think Hybe should give the group a Hiatus . For their mental health but also for their improving etc. Oh and actually Eunchae doesn’t have breathing problems. That just happens when you did too much sport , in her case dance , their Dance teacher also said that

[@Aaronwarnerswife-]

@@Jungwxc ur right about the breathing part my bad lmao😭😭. But yeah the girls def need a break they aren’t big the right mindset for anything right now. And now they’re having a comeback this ain’t for one…

[@TheOnlyMJS]

“They’re idols, they need to be able to take the heat.” I 100% agree. But, this is just straight up bullying at this point. If I could tell every idol out there, as a fan, you don’t owe the public everything. You owe them SOME things, but NOT everything. And these “fans” are comfortable making these “criticisms” because they don’t have to be in their shoes. Bring these hateful people up on stage and see they soil themselves in a matter of seconds. I guarantee you not many people can face legitimately the world and survive it. But these idols did and do.

[@xstrawberryaveryx9550]

I understand the criticism of the vocals, they did need improvement, but they were already good. They probably just didn’t have a concept that suited the vocals or they didn’t sing in their suited vocal ranges. You can say that and still compliment their talents and achievements, but downright bullying them by saying they can’t sing is completely different.

[@nonamenosurname6127]

I agree your words about mental health. It is same on almost every topic. We want fun interactions between idols until they really interact and get hate for it. We want dating to be normalized in kpop until Karina dates a man and has to publicly apologize for it and break up eventually. Idols really can't make mistakes (I am talking in general not just in Le sserafims case).

[@ludofratta2328]

I haven't even watched the documentary, because nothing they can say, or the comments can say will change my mind. They need/needed to improve, sure, but no one deserves the slander, hate and down right bullying they got. It's hilarious in a very sadistic way how hyprocrites kpop "fan" can be. Hybe is consistent in giving lackluster vocal lesson and stellar dance lessons, yet people are surprise when groups are basically dancing machine. It's disgusting the lack of empathy these girls got. Sure the clip of Sakura saying she scared of singing has a "simple" solution either stop or train, but what dumb people wouldn't think that she has not done or thought about it too. Shameful it's my last comment to the haters

[@miimamwez]

This reminds me of the Jennie hate train all over again. A Kpop idol will give less than stellar performances; a bunch of people will (rightfully) give constructive criticism; haters will see the criticism and will take it as a chance to bash the group and therefore starts bashing them; then a wave of fans will come bashing anyone that says anything about the group (constructive or not) and start calling anyone that points out any of the flaws in the idol as being a "bully" which with fuel the actual bullies as they feel more justified to be even meaner because they think the idol is being "coddled".

[@riothetrashbin]

THISS

[@sandyc.4630]

At the end of the day, those bullies are probably just very sad people who probably hate their job and/or salary and get salty from seeing other people be rich, so it's really easy for them to type little comments on the internet to let out their rage and discomfort for their own life, you can tell by the dedication they take to just rip to shreds a person they don’t even know 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@bookobsessedgirly]

Itzy, Aespa, IVE, and now ssera...

[@seokjinsrunnynose8637]

thank you for this video i've never seen a kpop commentary account address the ongoing normalization of online bullying this eloquently

[@nick_stefanie]

Okay, for those who are insisting on the "constructive criticism is vital for singers" route (which I totally agree), I would like to prove with another example that this is not what this video is talking about. Take Lia's example. She was literally the best singer of ITZY and had to take a break for the terrible amount of hate she was getting for not being as a good dancer as the other members. So is the hate really about singing? Or dancing? Or hating women in kpop is literally normalized at this point? Guys I have no hate in ny heart when I say that Jimin has been progressively losing his voice over bad managenent of Big Hit for years now, and even though he has always (I got into BTS and kpop in 2015) received criticism for it, it was never to this proportion. So let's be for real. Real criticism is needed and this wave of demanding good singing for literal singers is very healthy for kpop. But this hate that has been taking place for women in kpop is out of hand and needs to stop. It ruined 2ne1, we lost Sulli and Goo Hara, the girl from Twice also had to take a break and the list literally goes on for years over different reasons but the same way of HATING.

[@ruththeblink2521]

This is the best video I’ve ever seen explaining the situation. She’s not saying le sserafim are amazing at singing and that they won’t need a bit of training. This not dismissing the problem, but trying to eliminate the situation they’re in. I agree, these girls don’t deserve the hate they have been getting. People never wanted them to improve anyway, and even if they did, people would still bring up the same nasty stuff they say now. It’s not criticism, it’s straight up harassment they’re getting.

[@lindsey4620]

I feel that le sserafim was rushed and half baked as a group and the only blame I have is to the company. I think they keep throwing the group into things they’re unprepared for. Sending them to Coachella was cruel bc they couldn’t use as much backing vocals so they would’ve needed to train differently. They didn’t have a huge catalogue of songs to pick from for their performance. (Aespa was sent to Coachella too early, too imo - like I would start considering sending them NOW). Idk why they decided to bring in Sakura knowing she does better in higher pitched singing, again it’s pure cruelty

[@kanelives609]

Damn that Sultryfilm reading was SATISFYING I'm subscribing

[@Aria9391]

I completely agree your your commentary on this whole hate. I believe the hate about their vocals has blended and become multiplied by the whole MinHyeJin/Hybe/NewJeans/SourceMusic drama... In MHJ first press conference she already painted a bull's eye on Le Sserafim regarding the whole "Hybe's first girl group" stupidity and specifically mentioned Sakura as the reason their group was given preference... blah blah... What I mean to say is that these girls are not just receiving criticism and hate for their own actions regarding their abilities -- they have become the easy scapegoat for anyone who is on MHJ side and everyone who jumps at any opportunity to pour hate on anything to do with HYBE because... HYBE = BTS = Hybe Groups are successful... and are a threat to their faves or I don't even know! As an ARMY, we are way too used to it but I hope all of this only makes the group and fearnot stronger. This documentary ends right before Easy era starts, and that letter from Sakura on Weverse after Coachella gives me hope that they have the mindset to not let it all destroy them. Thank you for this video, so welcome amidst all the hate!

[@asiahooper7216]

I never leave comments, but...in light of seeing my bias, Sakura, cry and all the diabolical hate she's receiving (along with the other members of course), my mind immediately thought of Sulli. She was another bias of mine who's no longer here because of this same exact incident. And she endured it for YEARS, almost her entire career, all while she tried to keep a smile on her face. I will hope and pray, God forbid, that history does not repeat itself. It's like this community learned nothing. Absolutely NOTHING. Seriously, the kpop fandom need to do better. Please remember, all idols are all still human beings who make mistakes and learn just like us. Don't treat them as non-human, and remember that they have genuine feelings. That's how we have more blood on our hands. Yes, she isn't immune to constructive criticism, even a bit of harsh constructive criticism, because she's been in the industry for so long and does need to show improvement now when she hasn't displayed any, and I have my own frustrations with her even as she is my bias. But there is a well-defined line between criticism and hate.

[@Winnangh]

You just gained a new subscriber. Thank you, being vocally for decency even when it's futile is something I admire. It's so good to hear somebody push back on the insanity that is the online hate train towards the gg target of the day. It feels like it's never gonna stop: even if LS escapes, there's gonna be a new target. It's never about the purported "issue", it's a public lynching that people pile on as soon as they smell blood in the water.

[@riothetrashbin]

yes their vocals are lacking, no they don't deserve to be bullied and shamed for it. crazy how people blur the line between criticism and downright bullying

[@heartsforhannipham]

Like literally. People really need to learn the difference between criticism and hate because they're both two very different things. I saw someone comment on a post about eunchae and they said that they saw a comment telling eunchae to go kill herself. I'm sorry? How is that criticism? That's literal hate and harassment. Crazy how people can disguise hate as so called "criticism".

[@mariniranifetus]

its always "lets care about idols mental health" when something bad happens in kpop but then the same people that say that, that then bully and ridicule the same idols

[@AnDroMedo8M5]

i swear as a wiz*one if something bad happens to kkura i'm leaving the community forever. it's disgusting to see how double-faced kpop stans are.

[@dr.penguin6834]

Seems like Garam dodged a bullet

[@pretzelita]

There was a time in K-pop back when this video of Jennie saying she didn't go into the internet or searched her name online went viral, it was close to the time when we unfortunately lost Sulli and Hara (I say this with no means to trivialise these tragedies). A lot of people seemed to gain consciousness around idols' mental health because they were faced with the consequences of their actions, of all the hate they were throwing at them. I wish K-pop stans these days realised the same before it's too late again

[@wonderingchuu]

This is so shocking.... Can these people really be called humans ??

[@KaraCamilleDelonas]

Yeah man, their vocals need more work but it's not like they killed your family cat or something. There's no reason to be mad at them. Like let them take the constructive criticism and prepare for their next comeback. If you don't like them then don't listen to them.

[@mireillevanwyk5271]

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WATCH THIS VIDEO Please stop bullying these girls and treat them like human beings they don't deserve this level of hate There is a point where constructive criticism isn't helpful anymore and it turns into ill-intentions...

[@esebacchus7021]

i love how you differentiated constructive and destructive criticism. these haters need to know the difference between the two because it is not bad to give opinions and criticisms since these idols' jobs are well, basically, to sing and dance. lesserafim have improved and still need to improve no matter how great they already are. there is always room for improvement and throwing death and (g)rape threats is not the way for any idols to improve.

[@ca_lsrf]

it was never about giving constructive criticism. it was pure hate, and also about gaining attention and likes. and boy does le ssersfim has that reach. considering that the group has been doing live performances since after Coachella, and they improved, and yet people rather ignore that and instead keep going on this hate train...well, who are truly the attention seekers? but also, to the fans...STOP ENGAGING WITH THE HATERS. dont give them the satisfaction of your reaction or your time. just focus on the supporting the group and move on as well from them, they wont stop anyway.

[@VlVlWONG]

"it was never about the singing" is bold

[@LeoNunes-gy8ie]

Because it is

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

Idk what this video is about yet, I'm only at the beginning, but lemme say this: seeing Lesserafim talked about for their vocals, whose to say the people who say this are actually critiquing them. Some ktubers, kpop stans etc. use situations like these to hate on groups under the guise of critiques or giving opinions on them.

[@jojostoenail2162]

Criticizing their vocals is understandable they need a new vocal coach for sure the coach doesn’t even exercise their voice he just makes them continuously try to sing their parts. And they are passionate performers. Hate beyond this is truly unacceptable and disrespectful

[@alicecarmo38]

Hate is not correct, however, criticism is, and so is dissatisfaction when you are a paying costumer. Sakura is an idol, this is her job, she is being payed, she choose this career. I don´t personally agree with the hate towards Sakura, but it is undeniable that the criticism towards her is justified. The documentary is Hybe´s responsability, therefore the pity party being thrown for her wasn´t her idea, however as the one who made the mistakes on stage, she either improves and moves on with her career, or keeps making excuses like she has for the last 10 years. That being said it is important to stop spreading hate and bullying, but let´still hold her to the criticism.