I like her, i like the song, i like her dancing and vocal skills, i dont enjoy that she is quite inexpresive, but like dua lipa, just give her time to get the feedback and improve with some practice. She is still young, has been in the industry for a very long time, in a very big group were is dificult to shine. I think *she definitely deserves to debut as a solo* artist. Also with her age she can attract not only her fans (once) but other new fans too, so... GO GET IT TZUYU!!!!!!! ♥

Why dont u make video how stays enegene united to hare jimin and bts ur grp is copycat bi..h go and cry dramatic fandom and ur kings will always remember as copykings

This makes me really sad, i had no idea charlie puth was such a bad guy, i never got into his music, stray kids is my first k-pop group and im still a new stay (since November) and i absolutely love the lose my breath single (Skz version never likes the one with charlie puth) are we allowed to listen to the stray kids version? or do we have to boycott all of them? before i knew this i probably played the stray kids version a million times so i’d feel pretty bad if that one still contributes to charlie puth :(

Became a K-pop fan through Stray Kids... music just brings everyone together. Skz have made an ignorant person like myself enjoy this genre of music known as Mala.

as stayarmyblink seeing the fight between stays and armys and armys and blinks, I just ignore the fight and just enjoy their music. 🥰🥰

I'm pretty new to kpop, and I love both bts and stray kids. I truly don't understand why fandoms keep acting like you can't enjoy more than one group at a time and insisting on dragging other groups in order to lift your chosen one. It's honestly annoying as fuck

I love BTS. But I also try to enjoy other kpop groups and currently checking out Straykids. I generally find kpop fandoms very toxic though. Why not just consume their music and be entertained? That’s the purpose of their performances. Why be drawn into so much toxicity and competition, and make big deals of a lot of things?

I love BTS. But I also try to enjoy other kpop groups and currently checking out Straykids. I generally find kpop fandoms very toxic though. Why not just consume their music and be entertained? That’s the purpose of their performances. Why be drawn into so much toxicity and competition, and make big deals of a lot of things?

I swear sampling a nursery rhyme most of the time NEVER works. It barely worked when nmixx did ‘young, dumb, stupid’, what makes yg convinced baemon can pull it off with ‘woke up in tokyo’ ?

Reminds me of bunnies vs illit.😂

Wonderful review, absolutely on point with everything. While I would likely rank the songs differently, that would be mostly based on vibes, since the points you've made are excatly what stood out for me. I feel that a lot about this release was not done to allow its full potential, from the advertisement as a hip hop special album, to the timing when it was announced and released (end of the year, so close to giant and ate, so close to the ticket sales to the second half of the tour, etc), which is a bit sad because all in all this is one of my favourite albums in terms of how much I have been replaying it. Again, amazing job on the video.

Armies are scared of Stray Kids 🤣💔

I feel like Railway is inspired after Dpr Ian's work and I love him for that

Also no hate, but I myself can't actively rank Straykids songs. Just like how I can't have a favorite member, because by rule that means I'd have to pick a member I like the least as well, same for the songs. If someone asks me my favorite song in the album, I'll say I don't have one; it's the album itself. No hate against all you rankers, you do you, I'm just saying this cuz I feel like unless it's in a competition, nothing and no one deserves to be put in "last place". Just saying, no hate at all

10:29 well, Hyunjin said hey wanted this song, the album actually, to be simple, yet spiced up in a way that changes the taste entirely (like dipping nachos in hot sauce) So the "cut and dry, boo, bap hip hop" was on purpose

God will bless you SO MUCH for this video Time to go show this to my brothers girlfriend

Sorry, I cut my message!! 😅😬🤣🤣🤣 anyways... you back up your statements with accurate information and personal opinions based on things you like. To be fair, there are ignorant fans in all fandoms (we lost Chan´s Room for them 😮‍💨🙄). Still, I really appreciate when other Kpop fans TRY not to compare both groups and point out their individuality, uniqueness, and special differences. There is no need to confront 2 groups that like and admire each other, it's not like they rest each other shine every time they accomplish something. Let´s enjoy (both) the music they release and keep supporting them so they can continue doing what they love, bc they sure put in the hard work, they both deserve love and it is hard as it is already!! I hope I make myself clear, English is not my first language 🤗 Greetings from Mexico!! ☺

Even though I´m a Stay I feel nothing but respect and admiration for BTS. They are talented, handsome, and incredible idols, as a group and as individuals. I have to say that I appreciate this video where you use reasoning, facts,

Many songs are being released, almost all songs sound similar.

Bout the harry potter line (also nemo, imo), well, you forgot they're Stray Komedians, of course they have to sprinkle a lil taste of humor in their songs lol---one thing that I love bout 'em actually.

lol the way you're saying "smoothly through" went 'smoothly' in time with lee know's explaining the WOW's choreo 'splash!' part... coincidence? or in purpose?

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I think i gathered enough information to believe this is all min hee jin

The only track that kills menus ultra when Changbin says he overcame the pain and became a giant Ant ant… like I can’t unhear it. Still on repeat as my gym song though 😂

i can't even imagine 3racha plagiarizing their colleagues, it's just obviously idiotic. Арми мешали skz с грязью с самого дебюта, обвиняя в плагиате. Хорошо, что фандом вырос достаточно, чтобы защитить наших парней от их нападок. голословные обвинения в плагиате - это самое мерзкое поведение, на которое способен к-поп фандом. это просто грубо и неуважительно по отношению к артистам, которые пишут свою музыку.

honestly the reason was for U bring on hop is because of the lmb boycott that unfortunate collab set back everything because it was obvious ate was a last minute switch up I mean the totally ditched the concept they had for it in the teaser the boys said they rushed to make it after they left the US from promoting lmb and the date most stays expected skz to have a comeback was pushed back

You have no idea how much this video helped me! There's so much misinformation spread by ARMYs on social media. As a Starmy, I didn't know what to believe. Considering all the dumb journalists who have tried to defame and discredit BTS through "plagiarism" allegations, you would expect that out of all fandoms, ARMYs would really understand how messed up it is when someone critiques their fav. group for "plagiarism". But no. So thank you for addressing the "plagiarism issue" here while also doing a little musical dissection there. Also hahahah "the cuntification of I.N." is so true lmfaoooo

Bang Chan did a video speaking about this matter regarding using the same or simple samples as other artists. His video was much shorter, clear and concise. Like with many things, it’s not what you do but how you do it. Their creative process is not like any other artist or group! Sorry! SKZ is unmatched 🤷🏽‍♀️

Tzuyu just needs to find herself outside of Twice. Nayeon and Jihyo have always had the strongest stage presences in Twice-and the producers knew it. They also had some of the most well-rounded skills. I think we’ve started to see more from Tzuyu recently though. I think she did have a case of the nerves with these performances-and wouldn’t you be if you nearly accidentally caused a major international incident when you were freaking sixteen!? I think she would be really good with a Gyeongree style discography if she wants to be solo. I could really see her covering Blue Moon.

As an army, literally none of us have even mentioned skz in our fandom for a while😭any “armys” who are hating on skz aren’t real armys.

Chase Atlantic? Railway is literally a The Weeknd song, who we know Chan is a fan of.

Thank God that I left being an Army.

You are hypercritical and sensitive, just enjoy the songs or don’t listen and move on. Sorry these videos make me think like who made you the expert? But now a days everyone seems to be. Let them do their music, I think they have made enough songs about their haters.

I miss the days when people just listened to music without over analyzing everything. Don’t like an album? Then don’t listen to it. And the whole fan wars crap, my god, do y’all live in a bubble where only your group exists. Ffs. I’m too old for this shit.

I think my solo song rankings are Hold My Hand and Youth at #1, I can’t really pick between them too much as they both make me happy frfr. After that would be Seungmins As We Are because man’s vocals are to die for FOR REAAAAL. Then Changbins Ultra, the vibes are energizing, he did amazing and I also wish it was longer 😭 💔. Next would be Unfair by Felix, the song is emotional and I like the storytelling plus the MV was like a fairytale (wonder why 🧐 lol). After that would be So Good by Hyunjin, it’s definitely not my most favourite song of his but I don’t dislike it, it’s vibey and fun so that works for me lol. Next would be Hallucination by I.N, it’s just not my personal vibe, his voice is amazing though. After that is Railway by Bang Chan, for me it’s definitely not his best song, I’d prefer to listen to Red Lights, Drive or Connected for that kind of song. Now if I were to rank the other tracks on the album I’d do it as, #1 U as it’s probably my top song on the entire album (including solos), I really loved Tablos parts and the whole vibe of the song. After that would be Bounce Back, it’s definitely a hard hitter, I wish it was the title track lol but I get why it isn’t. After that would be both versions of Walkin’ on Water, it’s the Harry Potter line…I just can’t 💀 it makes me laugh every time. Overall the only complaint I have about the album is that I wish literally all of the songs were longer (WHY ARE 80% OF THEM UNDER 3 MINS 💀😭😭).

To accuse the most original kpop boy group today of PLAGIARISM of all things, wow... They are REALLY bored and jealous...

I'm an ARMY, but I like Straykidz too. If I would have more time, I would be a fan, but BTS is lovebombing me.

It's like two houses have the same door, but when we open the door, it turns out the contents of the house are different. The contents of house A are much better. That's Straykid. I am stay. Whatever their songs are, I like them. All their songs represent their identity. And as you guys know, There are many similar pieces of furniture in this world. But only the quality of the ingredients makes the difference. Straykid has furniture with the best materials made by the best furniture craftsmen. they are true musicians. they can explain every detail of the tonal components of their songs because the songs were created by them themselves. they are idols with the complete package. Meanwhile, idols who cannot write their own songs and always rely on agencies to create songs, will not be able to explain where the notes they sing come from. If there are stay who doubt Straykid's abilities and don't like their songs, then they are not the real Stay.

- Great explanation on the plagiarism issue, nowadays people are so quick to point fingers at kpop artists plagiarising something that it's lost its meaning. It's honestly annoying and just overall bad vibes. - Walking on Water... I don't know why so many people have issues with the Harry Potter reference haha. They made a lot of references in that song too like Aquaman, Nemo, I think there are a couple more I've forgotten. It makes sense to me cause, not counting Han being a fan of HP too, but SKZ magic school is actually Harry Potter-coded, ATE literally had Deadpool and Wolverine in it, which is also a throwback to their Kingdom performance. SKZ songs actually have a lot of references in their music, lyrics and music videos. Giant was practically one big homage to animes like Attack on Titan and Dragonball. But at the same time, SKZ alludes those references to themselves. Their songs and lyrics have a lot of double meanings from what I've noticed. But they're also just chaotic and goofy like that too. - HOP album name... has a double meaning to it too. Actually maybe triple meaning. It's a play on the Korean word "hap" which means "unity" or "harmony". The individual characters of the word spells out "eight lives united as one heart" which a lot of Chinese speakers picked up on with a glance. And it also coincides with hip hop, which they made as the theme of their title track. I think they wanted "Bounce Back" to be the title track but it was too aggressive. But essentially, I don't think HOP was supposed to be a hip hop album in the first place. - U ft. Tablo... I honestly thought it fit in a lot more with this album than with ATE. ATE was already pretty heavy with Stray Kids and Twilight, along with CCB, Mountain and JJAM. I think U would have been drowned out by those tracks and putting it in HOP highlighted it a lot more. Tablo himself has a unique style and voice, which I thought fit in well with the solo songs' individual styles. - Amazingly enough, SKZ has been able to promote their HOP album between their tour AND brand ambassadorships too :') They're insane. - Life Is So Good... I think Hyunjin did mention he decided to make it into a dance track haha initially he wrote the song for fun but the members liked it. He even took out a lot of more playful lyrics and then decided to add a dance break for the final product. - As We Are... ok, but I attended their concert and when Seungmin stood up with the entire stage lit up too, my heart dropped then transcended into outer space. This song was insanely beautiful performed live and I would give anything to be able to see it again. All their stages were amazing, actually, but Seungmin's one particularly hit me hard. Yes, harder than Chan free falling on stage too haha. - I too have an issue with the autotune in SKZ songs, I wish they didn't have to use autotune lol

11:23 yes. It felt like a Magic School hangover 🥲

I have found a lot of Stray Kids b-sides really shine and I agree Bounce Back is one of them. I am not really a Hip Hop person....so Walking On Water is not my favorite, but it is growing on me but I have heard a lot of people seem to like the Hip version of it more than the title track. But yeah, disliked the Harry Potter line...but also didn't want them to compare themselves to Jesus after the whole god of gods in Giant....I just wish they would have left out the Harry Potter line. I love most of what they do, but I am also hoping they give us some songs coming up that I consider true Stray Kids songs....what I fell in love with. I still bought several of each of their albums and will continue to, but I get why 5 Star and Rock Star are still most people's favorites. I know they are experimenting more with pop and others for right now and I loved Chk Chk Boom...but you are right, it is missing what makes Stray Kids, Stray Kids. I enjoyed your review 😊 thanks

Thank you for your demonstration about the WTF plagiarism ! Good to hear and giving arguments for those who were denying it but lacking the knowledge to defend their position like me😅 About the album : I totally agree with Good to hear too Bounce back is the best track, hip version is way better and I had the same feeling as you about skz choice, U being kind of lost in Hop (but finding a place like a transition with solos like Han''s one...,, by the way I would have like much more Hip Hop... and I was a little down when I've found out that the solos where the main content of the album), the ranking of solos and your judgement, so do I would like to enjoy their natural voice way more, auto tune kill my enjoyment too, etc. And like you I'm tired of half cursing. I'm waiting for SKZ, mainly 3racha's members, to explore their potential as adult artists. JYP made the choice to go with artists, they should take the concept too it's extend and cut with the old fashioned idol concept (as industrious-dolls).

never watched a video as real as this one, i agree with every point in the video 😭

as musicians ( espacially k-pop artists) are somewhat owned by the company and an asset. you can´t really blame anyone because making money is the goal of any company.

I thought I was the only one who cracked up with the Harry Potter lyrics! It's so CHEEESY

I’m ARMY, I’ve got it tattooed on my chest, but during this break, Stray kids have been keeping me really entertained and happy and I really don’t see a reason to make blames out out of something that’s not even a problem. Chan has always praised BTS, I would dare to say he’s an example of leadership, as much as Namjoon is. This men are out here trying their hardest, and sacrificing a lot to be good rol models to their fans, and I’m sure this is not what they would expect from you. Don’t be petty, and remember when BTS was given the same treatment in the past. Do better.

I get a somewhat unique situation that gives insight to both sides. I am STAY, and my wife is ARMY. So we first hand discuss what's going on in our fandoms. We're honest where our fandoms fall short and can be toxic. We can give insight on the politics and weak points. We don't always agree with each other on certain things, but it never gets out of hand. One thing we both agree to do is try to set our own fandoms straight whenever possible. Being firm but gentle with our own fandoms while also pointing out our Ults amazing talent, which is the reason we're all here in both groups. We aren't here to bash other groups, especially since neither BTS, Stray Kids, or any other group generally are out to down each other. I mean really, they are friends with so many groups. Like Bang Chan with Jungkook or their overall enjoyment with ATEEZ (not to mention Changbin being the extra in every girl group😂) We also have to remember ages. So much of STAY is actually quite young. We're talking as young as 10-12 that are active on social media. Knowing that the bulk of fans are still in their teens or very early 20's you can see where being overly sensitive and passionate can be a thing. Most of ARMY is in their 20-30's. As many in ARMY say, BTS dealt with many of the same accusations. They had to fight like hell with others in their generation and with 1st and 2nd gen dissing the color of their music. Even worse were the attacks on individual members. Then we have to remember the Sasaengs and full on Antis. They infiltrate all fandoms. Some make it their mission to enter fandoms to try and sow discord. They like to energize the younger bases into a protective frenzy, especially when they are too young to articulate their feelings and struggle with their own validation taking things as a personal insult due to their strong feelings and connections with their groups. They'll prey on older members bias since they know that's where they are weakest. They'll use half facts and misinformation knowing that older members of fandoms can't pay an insane amount of time on researching the truth because they have jobs, relationships kids, and real world problems to deal with. So getting angry/annoyed without taking the time to really find out what's going on is easier and less time consuming. Or clicking like and agree on the nonsense on general just because it's something that happens to have BTS' name on the post. Passions run higher in Kpop fandoms as a rule because of how much access we have to our idols. With social media, even more of their presence influences us to feel personal connections. This also can cause problems because we feel so much closer to our idols than we actually are. Additionally we feel so much love from many of our groups because they address us directly. This creates an awesome community for fans and intense unity. One thing we all need to remember as fans is that these groups don't NEED us to legitimate them legally. If there is real plagiarism in music, lyrics, dance, style, or anything else....they have people for that. So unless there is legal action taken for that, it's going to be nonsense for the most part. There are only so many sounds, words, movements, and structure of style that can exist. Sometimes, things sound or look similar. Some things are just influence from things around them. Leave the legal problems to professionals. Make movements over things that matter more. Ultimately, each fandom is responsible for policing themselves and supporting its members. We need to teach each other how to see bs for what it is and reign in more fanatical individuals in comments as well as creators who make it their mission to whip up animosity for clicks for the algorithm. Anyways, this wordy response comes from a guy who is in his late 40's with an ARMY wife who is in her late 50's. (Also, I have brought my mom of 78 into Stayville on accident 😭 she is even now making a concerted effort to learn about SKZ's members and roles etc 😂 Her favorite song is Venom 🕷🕸) The point being we are of all ages, background, maturity, and stages of fans. We need to work on understanding, supporting, and disciplining each other to create a healthy environment that our idols can be proud of. TLDR: 1. Wife (ARMY) and I (STAY) discuss our fandoms. 2. Our fandoms need to do better. 3. emember, we have old and young members. 4. Beware Sasaengs and Antis.

I'm kinda sad that my fav of the more recent SKZ albums "ATE" and also my favorite title since Maniac "Chk Chk Boom" getting lowkey roasted but this is also one of my favorite part of the community. Everyone has different tastes in music and the fact that I don't like a SKZ song doesn't mean it's bad. They experiment with so many genres and will continue to do so. Personally, HOP wasn't for me. The songs I loved were Hold My Hand (There just isn't one single Han Jisung song out there that failed me) and Railway. I also liked Bounce Back and As We Are but I don't really know how often I would return back to listen to them in the future.

As I an Armystay, I am in love with both groups and both songs and love their members and their dynamics.

Armies are always jealous of Stray Kids and spew hatred on every social media. STAYS., please do not retaliate. Just ignore them just like Chan asked us to do.