Entire ancient village uncovered in Phoenix

Crews are finishing construction on the city’s latest affordable housing project, but beneath that lies an ancient O’odham village called “La Ciudad."

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[@SOP83]

"we have an agreement with them" Sounds like someone got paid off.

[@jamie_nelson]

No it's not that. It's more letting the tribe lead on any human remains repatriation.

[@Maknlife]

Dude in a 100 years from now no one is gonna care its all about money

[@antdub68]

The entire valley is built on ancient ruins

[@AZCobraman]

Exactly, that's what they named it Phoenix.

[@logicreply5577]

Exactly

[@AZCobraman]

Hunt's tomb is a pyramid.

[@DJspAce82]

Imagine other parts of America. I wonder what's below the hill I live on.

[@andrewmorales5325]

Outrages that the tribe allowed for the digging there knowing there were artifacts

[@TonyP602]

Phoenix will probably just create another highly paid position for the" Office of Expressing How Much We Feel For You", which will of course, do nothing.

[@MegaMeco2]

Lol this instantly made me think of that “we are sorry “ South Park bit

[@magoo6475]

I've been in the building trades for many years. I've heard stories of workers ignoring discoveries. They don't want the job to stop/ shut down. So they work faster. Fun fact: pyramids once stood in Ohio.

[@j887276]

That's a very Ohio thing to be in Ohio.

[@lizslp86]

So what happened can you kindly elaborate?Who were the Gods of those Pyramids????

[@lizslp86]

Has anybody ever done a documentary on those Pyramids in Ohio?

[@barryrammer7906]

Smart men keep working.

[@critterjon4061]

@@lizslp86 they weren’t pyramids they where earthen grave mounds built by the Adena culture between 500bc and 100ad. Most of these grave mounds where destroyed by settlers to make way for farmland and settlements

[@snakewoman13]

What a shame. Those ruins should be preserved.

[@EveryoneIsStupidButMe]

The whole valley is built on remains, should we never live where other people did? Should we tear down the whole valley and move out? For the skeletons?

[@Mrblackstar00]

Greed and disrespect. Corporate America makes me sick.

[@AZCobraman]

It's a gov't project for low-income residents... 🤣

[@dterik]

Can't say you hate corporate America yet still shop at big box and work for a company. The American dream baby you get what you put in. Give the natives what they want for finding this then move on.

[@marryellenmonahan5585]

@@dterik well that's a crock of s*** capitalism doesn't work for everybody.

[@amariethomp5118]

Even though it is low income housing someone is getting paid to build it with our tax dollars. Plus the tax payers pay the difference on the rent difference so.....I'm for public housing just not on a burial ground.

[@trishpetty6685]

Truly sad

[@ricinro]

Phoenix was founded by reusing and upgrading the original canals of the hohokam. The early settlers had to clear brush and flatten the mounds that were left behind to make irrigated fields. The settlers knew the mounds were hohokam sites but had to be removed for agriculture. Today, developers are in the same position.

[@jasonsiquieros362]

My ancestors will be having a ball with the new tenants once they get settled in😈😈👹

[@juliaweber212]

I wouldn't mind a Indian showing up that would be amazing though the fact they found human remains the project should be stop until they know who is the human remains first

[@randomuser1596]

Yea drinkin and smokin up all the goods

[@strnglhld]

@@randomuser1596 No that’s you

[@carolynforge8586]

Oh Lort!!! 😂😂😂

[@barryrammer7906]

​@@randomuser1596drinking you dry 😂

[@bcgambit80]

Meanwhile there's hundreds of abandoned strip-malls throughout the valley, some of which have been that way for decades. Plenty of better locations to build/repurpose - this is just a "throw it up cheap and embezzle the rest" job.

[@lotwizzard1748]

exactly🔔🔨🏆 property owners and greed go hand in hand

[@bernardtaylor1281]

@@lotwizzard1748 Colonists aren’t property owners and neither are fraudulent encroaching governments. Hell you expect from traitors🤔

[@lotwizzard1748]

@@bernardtaylor1281 traitors continue their treachery

[@bernardtaylor1281]

@@lotwizzard1748 Yes indeed!

[@davidhorst9203]

Nah no money in inner city or ghettos. People gonna burn it down and theft becomes a big problem.

[@TSC-hr7ir]

LET OUR ANCESTORS REST GREETINGS FROM AUSTRALIA

[@whosthatguy9]

👋

[@marinathomas1779]

💚

[@BORN-to-Run]

THIS IS INCREDIBLE! This breaks my heart, as well. Europeans would NEVER do that to their ancestors. They would NEVER, once they found-out, pave over the cemetery the Founding Families were buried in. Native Americans DESESRVE the same respect!@

[@christopherswartz4116]

Europeans, Americans and every other race have to move remains all of the time. When they build dams, highways or other public works. Your house might be sitting on top of dead folks, too.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

"Europeans would NEVER do that to their ancestors." They can and have, many times. Hell, some parts of Europe have grave robbing as a major source of black market goods. Also, MUCH of modern Europe is built on ruins (yes, including building over burial grounds) History shows when times are hard or when people have enough to gain, people of most cultures and society will go grave robbing and/or otherwise defile the tombs of their ancestors. China, Egypt, and Eastern Europe are all places that are or have been notorious for it in the past.

[@hatchetryda06]

Did you know there was a cemetery/ mass grave by the stadium down town? It was relocated to Pioneer Memorial Cemetery.

[@carolinematusevich889]

A lot of DT Phoenix is built upon old Hohokam villages, close to the dried up Salt River.

[@original8616]

When they demolished the dupa villa projects a few years back they found native American artifacts,

[@logicreply5577]

America might be cursed land?

[@cyankirkpatrick5194]

Such disgrace that they would want to place another building there.

[@dxjx23]

Poltergeist, guess these guys didn't catch that movie😳😬🤷‍♂️ probably not a good idea to move there

[@carolinematusevich889]

Or The Shining.

[@WhatsupwitItPodcast]

I don’t think they get it !!!

[@christopherswartz4116]

Not a great idea to move most places off of Van Buren anyway

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

It's on Van Buren. Haunting by angry restless spirits will be the least of their dangers. I used to work down there, and I'd rather be homeless in a quieter area of the North Valley than live in a section 8 apartment complex (which is what these are) on Van Buren

[@Liam1694u]

This is a tough one. How do you weigh the benefits from this much needed project to help out the poor and disenfranchised versus further destruction of the culture of a people who have suffered too much for too long at our hand? There is no winner here without someone getting deeply hurt.

[@azmike3572]

I agree. But that new building is just not going to be torn down to preserve the ruins, not that she feel that it should be.

[@JN-vi9iv]

Its just gonna be another ghetto ass apartment complex that will be sectioned 8

[@rubengonzalez5155]

It’s extremely simple easy. Go to rich neighborhoods and tear them down and build the complex there. Or go to where the university is and build it on the football field. Tons of options. The money is in the way of seeing clearly.

[@anthonydunn8199]

Our hands You must mean the Apache tribe and other tribes that did what your accusing our hands of...

[@Aj_470]

This proves that the emperialism and conquerors are still conqueroring and building their empire illegally.

[@unknownviewer8224]

Has anyone ever forgot the story of Marcos De Niza apartments, I lived in there it was a graveyard department was on ghostly encounters

[@southwestAZ]

Where is this located at the Marcos de niza apartments ?

[@EURIMAKEUPTUTORIALS]

There will definitely be many hauntings

[@buttercupdudden2644]

Who failed? That place is SACRED- LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! DO NOT CONTINUE BUILDING- DO NOT LIVE THERE-..

[@randomuser1596]

Not sacred enough for the Pima Indian Counsel apparently they got paid 💰 💰 💰

[@papagiraffe9716]

Everything is built on the remains of something else.

[@ghostwalk2446]

This area would immediately be preserved if it were any other country

[@randomuser1596]

Like Iraq or Syria

[@AZCobraman]

Modern England is built all over ancient Roman ruins...as it most of Europe.

[@harrylately1]

In Scandinavia, that’s Norway and Sweden and Denmark. If it’s not in a major city, you’re absolutely right. However, I’m challenged to believe that that this was a renovation in the center of Stockholm , , Copenhagen or Oslo, they would stop the project. I’m sure what they would do a temporary stoppage & relocate the artifacts and remains to another location and then continue with the project. This is how Europeans have been doing business since recorded time.

[@christopherswartz4116]

Mexico City is built upon the ancient city of Tenochtitlan. And both places are built on top of a lake bed which is largely unsound for modern construction

[@coreyk8231]

Somehow you need to get the school districts involved to teach kids how to become archeologists let them go down there and do a little digging here and help gather up artifacts and learn about.

[@joad8537]

Perfect opportunity to have something cool and different to teach thousands of students instead they want to build a (project) ghetto

[@chicofromph33nix64]

Schools only teach about the 89 different genders,pronouns,and men can have babies..

[@powerconverters9571]

What upsets me is in America most contractors tell there workers not to say anything just keep digging. Most parts of the world naturally want to preserve there ancient history. Not us we are like screw it keep business flowing. It bothers me because America's history is a big mystery when it comes to history before the native Americans. This may have possibly been the land of gients. The Smithsonian have covered that up since 1912.

[@powerconverters9571]

@@aznative_ shut the fuck up with your I'm the authority on the fact of the matter bullshit. I'm an archaeologist and a paleontologist I'm also a geologist and yes I have been to other countries and talked with archaeologists that have dealt with situations like these while in the army out in Germany. and no the Smithsonian conspiracy has not been debunked ya dip. Also my main profession is heavy machinery operating have been doing it for 15 years i have worked here in Phoenix on job sites and know that this is what happens in certain situations I also experienced this out in Denver as well and I know contractors that have done the very thing that I commented on usually when ancient remains are found or bones are found archaeologist and the cops are called in that's what's supposed to happen but sometime does not. Honestly I think you should second-guess everything you think because your getting dumber and dumber. I'm going to refer to you as dipshit from now on.

[@powerconverters9571]

@@aznative_ dear dipshit your a dipshit keep studying that meth.

[@applecider9968]

Right ❤

[@Omniscient_01]

Im currently at central, installing the new light rail. And we have an archeologists out there with us, we have to dig really slow and gently, and he can halt the operatio whenever he feels he found something valuable. So far hes only picked up a few rock/masonry samples. And they had found human remains, but that was before i got assigned to the job site.

[@taylorsmith9629]

What’s the story with the human remains? Why wasn’t this in the news?

[@johnraymond7569]

This will make a great Poltergeist movie. Oh I forget they already made a movie about it.

[@potatoSaladMonkeyCats]

Please stop the building in Arizona. If you weren't born here or have not lived here for the last 20 Years plus, then we don't want or need you here. My family lost big property in two separate areas and parts of Queen Creek due to this building & development people. AKA basically stolen from us. Because we weren't millionaires to fight these fancy companies. . RIP queen creek. And east mesa.. I'm sorry you had to see what's become of it all Dad. RIP your queen creek heart & soul.

[@applecider9968]

Right❤🙏

[@MegaMeco2]

All them apartments gonna be haunted asf lol

[@ginajust-me2445]

Unbelievable!

[@original8616]

Dam they gona live nice in the projects

[@shawncooper9999]

That is not going to be low income apartments. Rent is going to be over$1900 a month for rent. People that are social security and SSDI and SSI will not have money to rent a apartment. Arizona is one of the highest state to live in next to calf. Arizona need to get the homeless family and people off the streets. Now I been see old people and family living out in the street too.

[@trina2021]

Wow thats interesting I bet every where in phoenix had those areas. Its good she is trying..

[@msbermudez33]

Yes keep fighting for this we do not need more housing especially in a beautiful place of ancestors

[@smrk2452]

Everything needs to rest. Beautiful history is torn down every day in NYC and the people who live here feel the same sense of powerlessness and heartbreak.

[@caseykellogg707]

They always have to keep tight wraps on findings just in case what they find doesn't fit into their version of the past

[@JCAUDITS]

what were the tribe given as compensation?

[@im.not.typical91]

It's not surprising. There are many people that have lived before us.

[@E_X_H_U_M_E_D_06]

And usually people respect the dead...

[@dlite6999]

Highways and housing has always been a way to red line

[@bukubills2405]

I’ve lived there before the flats were knocked down, they had the chapel and a plaque dedicated to the people that lived and were buried there. Ain’t right.

[@coyotestylepro1150]

Can you feel t/ 🌬 knocking on your 🚪?

[@alanhelton]

you know what I’m here because of my ancestors but that didn’t stop them from tearing my grandpa’s house down so yeah…

[@TRUSTME183]

Should bring professionals in and document every piece and where it was located etc. then move to. Museum

[@Ap_twsh]

im sure many ancient buildings were all around here.

[@ryancuda45]

did they find the sacrificing rock yet ?

[@dnice2]

There’s a movie called Poltergeist that shows this is a bad idea

[@msbermudez33]

And I wonder how old the items are and the human remains

[@vanessacazares2615]

Affordable?

[@nocomprendo1409]

For silicone valley.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

It's a Section 8 subsidized project.

[@green_light_8806]

The indigenous peoples living there left it easy for my colonizer brothers and sisters. may yall have kindness, hope, and love in your temple!

[@JohnSmith-js3po]

Well the developers should have dug down deeper before they pored one foot of cement. That is why we do that in California. Ancient sites are everywhere let alone contamination sites, but when they are that far along it will proceed. Until the ghost make their selves present 😮😮😮😮

[@LongdistanceRider22]

These cities are notorious for building housing developments, right on top of cemeteries….

[@vima602]

Prayers. 🙏

[@Punchie8]

Those new buildings will be very active from the Ancestors....people kitchen cabinets will be opening and closing by the Ancestors. Same has happened in Henderson Nevada.

[@r1nkyd1nk66]

Wow.....some mean ancestors eh...

[@deblejeune228]

How would you feel if your ancestors were dug up and removed!! This is a buriel ground that is being turned into homes for people to live.

[@michelelindseth8250]

It happens all over the country, not only to indigenous tribes. Respect for history has been sacrificed to developer's greed .

[@randomuser1596]

@@michelelindseth8250 and the greed of the board members of the Pima tribe

[@donnadeandean2720]

Such a sad world. To anyone reading this, may you have protection and blessings from God.

[@maggiebannenberkowitz9254]

These sites need to be saved!!! America has more sites like this and the construction people dont care!!

[@lizslp86]

At least they should find every remain and make them their own cemetery.But,not have building built on top of the remains of their ancestors.And may they have a dignified cemetery to honor their ancestors.So they can rest with dignity and respect

[@tarikalbert64]

Then tear down all housing projects because it's all on ancestral land

[@dragonfly4425]

You took the check

[@juliaweber212]

If they have human remains that should be a stop on the land

[@joshuamoore24_7]

They need to use the building resources to build farm homes, businesses, wind generators so they don't have let as much water out of the lakes, and canals systems to community without running water in the Rio Verde communities. Plus a water treatment facility and storage wells for the treated water.

[@russianwolfhound2138]

Desalination plants needed.

[@samqueen8337]

People living in the projects have known about this for years

[@edgarquero6469]

Don't give up. Take photos get videos of the artifacts . Do interviews for future data. Your tribe will thank you. 🎶🎬🎥

[@bettiraige3474]

Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.

[@monicaramirez51015]

That land is Sacred ❤and the young lady feels her hands are tied behind her back 😮however SHE HAS A WHOLE TRIBE OF ANCESTRY BACKING HER EFFORTS 😊anyone that rents there will be in a major Spiritual Battle ❤and probably move out!!!! The greedy corporations will lose money 💰

[@kingbambam]

No not really. We don't own the land. We live on it. A lot of natives are using there culture to obtain land. Some of it is good, but there's people that just don't understand that things change. Make the place into a museum. Preserve the history. If I was allowed to own my ancestors places I would own the great aztec empire.

[@randomuser1596]

Its Her own people that exchanged that cultural site for donations and divided it up among the Minority of them

[@unknownviewer8224]

I don’t know why Arizona keeps saying these apartments are for low income. There is no such thing as low income $1600 is the new low income. This is the reason why I had to move out of Arizona they will not help me with housing. I tried to get into apartments like that and I have to make three times the amount of rent. That’s what they tell me.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

The signs on the fence say that it was a Phoenix Housing authority project, so it's subsidized section 8 apartments.

[@tyrice9635]

Affordable housing?

[@critterjon4061]

If this was a graveyard for people who died 20 years ago I doubt anything would change

[@blazingstar9638]

There’s lots more !

[@moniquebraunwalder8789]

The Same is going on in Oceanside CA with. new water park they are trying to build. They will still continue because it a comes down to $$$.

[@ElRayDelRio]

This was also an issue in imperial beach at the old kumeyaay burial grounds near the silver strand. The military and government will still build and prosper without a care in the world when it comes to the deceased. In upstate New York theres cemeteries everywhere and guess what, they're all protected because they were mostly white men who fought for our country but there are natives laying to rest in the knolls and those burial grounds are so disconnected with the rest of the world war grave sites that they've literally left them in vein! It's sad. I was out there cleaning up and had got drawn on by locals on the hill in Washington, NY near Elmira. I was chased off and treated unfairly. Sucks because the ones who fought for our freedom are shown no respect if they weren't white. Not always but when it comes to natives or "engines" they really look the other way with neglect!

[@kayokayo3644]

How is this legal they should of stop all construction

[@Jrb702]

We can’t justify what their doing by saying they had an argument, we all know those contracts are damn near impossible to understand to the uneducated person !!!

[@caleb9496]

If you couldn’t build where someone died you wouldn’t be able to build anywhere.

[@E_X_H_U_M_E_D_06]

??? So someone died on every available spot on earth where someone else hasn't already died? 🤣🤣🤣 Think about it. 🤡🤡🤡

[@TRUSTME183]

Those natives buried there prove this land belongs to US #NATIVES

[@mariobrothers4675]

Putting a hotel over an ancient burial ground is dangerous 👻

[@r1nkyd1nk66]

You've been playing to many video games.

[@WhatsupwitItPodcast]

Good job

[@keetlemeetle311]

If it were dinosaur bones then Oh shit! Your not building here pal! PFFF.

[@carolinematusevich889]

Yep. Because dinosaur bones can sell for a lot of money.

[@MAG320]

Listen. Just like burial grounds, mounds & ruins in all of the US, nothing was meant to be disturbed. But, as dumb as us humans are, the only thing we care about is survival & expansion.

[@ElRayDelRio]

This was also an issue in imperial beach at the old kumeyaay burial grounds near the silver strand. The military and government will still build and prosper without a care in the world when it comes to the deceased. In upstate New York theres cemeteries everywhere and guess what, they're all protected because they were mostly white men who fought for our country but there are natives laying to rest in the knolls and those burial grounds are so disconnected with the rest of the world war grave sites that they've literally left them in vein! It's sad. I was out there cleaning up and had got drawn on by locals on the hill in Washington, NY near Elmira. I was chased off and treated unfairly. Sucks because the ones who fought for our freedom are shown no respect if they weren't white. Not always but when it comes to natives or "engines" they really look the other way with neglect!

[@milissa6710]

The building should be stopped immediately!

[@ginagina5452]

It's gonna be some kind of poltergeist shit happening there if they let people live on that land.

[@barryrammer7906]

Time goes on, sorry the living need that area.

[@joeyolag7711]

Native American maybe it time to arm up and take territory back

[@randomuser1596]

Did you listen at all it was the NA that okd the site to be obstructed im sure the elders got a nice “donation” from the builders they sold out their own

[@9davidlong]

1st of all how does she know it's the remains of her ancestors. Before the Indians arrived on this continent other people were already living here.

[@carolinematusevich889]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@9davidlong]

@@carolinematusevich889 I guess you have not studied archeology in North America. Through archeology we learn our history.

[@ruthcarter946]

@@9davidlong Most people have no idea of our true history.

[@9davidlong]

@@ruthcarter946 The American Indian migrated across the bearing straits into Alaska from Asia they made their way down the West Coast all the way into Central America and South America. These are all verified from archeological digs. Older remains have been discovered in sections near California they have been determined to be from the islands of the Pacific they predate the Asian migration.

[@carolinematusevich889]

@@9davidlong Wrong. I have. So where did you receive your master's in archeology? They are ALL Native Americans, regardless of how they migrated to the Americas, including South America. They also go by the term, indigenous people.

[@shaneharris3586]

I spotted a clovis there a ways back. I'll bet they're 'gathering' artifacts.😏

[@thetortyfamily4405]

Appts bout to be haunted af

[@TheJanieLynn]

What a shame...=(

[@tapantera]

Sold out again

[@kingbambam]

As a native, when we die we become part of the earth. Move them to a final resting spot.

[@MeltedPearls]

This may be part of why Phoenix hasn't really got a culture. It keeps getting covered back up and ignored. What a waste. There are so many people here who are deeply interested in touring these sites and seeing the stories of these cultures richly expanded and as a current, living part of this region. Instead, we have blank urban landscapes with spots of investment, heat, high costs of living, and not much else. Sad!

[@mykaleenmisner4668]

Chariot ⚖

[@fogtown3027]

Poltergeist

[@Jessealonso4392]

TRUE THEY CAN STOP LITERALLY BUILD AROUND IT AND SAVE WHAT'S LEFT

[@standingbear998]

let this local 'activist' buy the property, then they can let it set untouched. but no they want someone else to pay like always. You cant stop people from living so this person can pat themselves on the back for what a good person they are for telling others what they can and can't do. can I tell them what they can and can't do with their property.

[@ghostmusic769]

How old are these ruins? Those are melonated people bones.

[@patriciamoran3445]

Just like Pioneer Cemetery, they moved graves so they can build, they don't care!

[@braveheartrv2946]

Let the tribes take care of it she's just mad she's not in any of the tribes committees.

[@jayvalentin6339]

Poltergeists movie 🍿

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

It's on Van Buren. Honestly, I'd be more afraid of the schizophrenic tweakers and gangs rampant there than I would of any angry spirit in my home.

[@Sukkot7]

Greed will prevail! Eventually, everyone will have to give an account for their actions 🎬

[@lisafrausto4687]

Haunted now

[@KevinDeKoon]

This is my land, you've been trespassing since 1776

[@ryanreedgibson]

They need to halt all building. Time to file a TRO!