Entry Level Full Suspension Vs Mid-Range Full Suspension MTB | What’s The Difference?

[@danbradley1537]

Your entry level is my mid range

[@Marshallaw14]

Right

[@AlticMember]

Your bike budget is my mid range 😂

[@Hiise]

Such is the life of hobbys.

[@nonameuser9664]

Your budget is my high end

[@vladmarcu225]

That n9 at 2899 , better put 200 more and buy a mega imo

[@casestudymtb]

Cool to see polygon getting out there and sponsoring so much content this year. Certainly making some really accessible and beautifully painted bikes. Definitely has me looking at them a little more closely than in years past.

[@GDUB-27.5]

I purchased their dirt jumper and I’m pretty happy.

[@yvan2218]

Next vid: 500 euro hardtail vs 1000 euro hardtail. That would be an interesting vid

[@popeclementxi7303]

the difference between hydraulic suspension and air suspension is that 500 imo

[@matthewbrealey2026]

@@popeclementxi7303 you mean coil Vs air

[@tonyparkin3379]

All about cheap square taper bb vs external bb.

[@popeclementxi7303]

@@matthewbrealey2026 yes oops

[@hishmithvvardhan5809]

Yeah pls

[@BinarySecond]

The way you said the prices was so strange, it almost seemed like you didn't want to say hundred or thousand. I have no idea why. Edit: didnt help that blake seemed to drop a digit in dollars making it sound like it was a 300 dollar bike

[@Katastra_]

My thoughts as well, might have been part of the sponsorship deal with polygon. Edit: they did say prices normally later on in the vid 🤷‍♀️

[@sugushasta1]

they spellled in american polygon :)))

[@matthewbourne659]

Title should say sponsored by polygon !

[@beagleboy111]

@@matthewbourne659 And all the others by Nukeproof, Pole and Canyon Etc ETc.

[@explosivemallard8038]

John Croxford Others typically mention their sponsorships, though. This sport is too expensive for anyone without a sponsorship.

[@Meldonator]

Entry at 2k, Mid range at 3k... gulp I'm definitely not living on the same planet 🥴

[@ASAP2525]

If you look at the spectrum of parts yea there are three levels for instance with SRAM NX GX XO1 I got a YT Jeffsy that came with NX you can go lower than this stuff but it will start to fall apart within a single season of riding and you will constantly be having issues I know my friend got a 500 dollar hardtail and it is falling apart

[@1CoLoRz2]

Buy second hand. Just bought a yeti sb66 for $1000

[@oalbornoz]

@@1CoLoRz2 where? 27.5?

[@1CoLoRz2]

@@oalbornoz Facebook marketplace. And nah 26. But im new to mtb so im fine with it for a starter bike.

[@JF-lt5zc]

Pricing on bikes has really gone in the toilet. When I was shopping a few years ago, you could get a Transition for $3k. Good GX or better components. Now days, that same bike costs more and comes with the NX garbage and you are supposed to feel good about it. Thanks a lot SRAM.

[@chiccorocker]

I really like alloy / metal frames. I can't get around spending so much for a carbon frame and then live in the terror of cracking it. I'm not shy of running alpine trails with plenty of sharp pointy rocks. This summer my alloy frame got scratched pretty good and I'm fairly worried a carbon would have cracked and made me cry hard. For the scratches on alloy the solution is easy: by a ton of GMBN stickers and cover the scratches! Better than new! (Yes I've just got my stickers yesterday and will apply them ASAP).

[@antony1974]

Also Alu is a helluva lot more environmentally friendly.

[@paghal11]

Aren't most manufacturers doing life time warranties on carbon frames these days? Genuine question.

[@benphillips1149]

@@paghal11 u dont want to keep getting new frames tho. alu has the same warranty and is 100x stronger on drops

[@lukeneill1568]

@@paghal11 nope. Snapped my specialised carbon frame in half. Got a Marin alpine trail xr now and staying with alloy

[@toshman696969]

@@benphillips1149 I don't believe this is a true statement. Also seeing what dh put a carbon bike through I think I'll stick to carbon

[@apfelmistnutte]

so glad a friend of mine gets a new bike every year and he's willingly selling me his old ones haha

[@tough5125]

That’s lowkey heaven, NGL.

[@f1j11slander4]

Does he want more new friends 😉🤣🤣🤣

[@theidiotss8129]

Same as my friend it’s legendary

[@f1j11slander4]

Nokia Games join the queue 🤣🤣🤣

[@shaurya.ahasueruswaghe12]

Depends on your needs mate

[@Jay_Bonjoc]

Is this the first time that Neil didnt use a High end bike??😂

[@JermTheCow]

This was obviously not his idea so he got second choice 😂😂😂

[@gayabaru7465]

This Bike is very familiar at Indinesia and more good technology for the type of T series N series and Square one if you didn't know

[@gayabaru7465]

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[@will_bath19]

High level hard tail or low level full sus??

[@mojaverc1585]

I would rather have a really nice hardtail

[@ilikerealflight]

incredibly tough choice. Suppose it comes down to where and how you intend to ride your bike. Just earlier this year I was in the same boat. For the same price, you will get better components. However, if you buy smart and get full sus that prioritized frame over components, you will then have a bike that you can upgrade over time as needed. Rougher trails should probably go for full sus, smoother is hardtail

[@computerbob06]

@@mojaverc1585 Wait till your knees are gone, you'll be saving hard for full sus!

[@mojaverc1585]

computerbob06 I have an older mid level dual suspension and i would never get another hardtail but i would rather have a really nice dirt jumper than a crappy cross country dual suspension.

[@jaspergeens5841]

Hardtail for all round but if you only ride rough trails a full sus

[@paulgardner4931]

If your out there having fun and it puts a smile on your face then there's no need to spend the big bucks.

[@misteraxeman2680]

Polygon bikes are definitely some of the best value bikes out there

[@explosivemallard8038]

Still cost a shit ton though

[@Ski_3_p_o]

Marin are right there with them

[@misteraxeman2680]

@@Ski_3_p_o Marin does give you a ton of bike for your money but not quite as much as Polygon. I actually own a 2019 Marin Hawk Hill 3 myself!

[@nickkovalenko2891]

I've got the N9 and it's a sweet bike for the money. Can't believe they did a review on these

[@BikeParkLane]

@@nickkovalenko2891 more like, how did they get hold of them

[@trail_sleighah]

The D7 is my jam!

[@MissingLinkMTB]

Polygon is definitely onto something with their bike selections. Now if they can only keep them in stock long enough for me to pick up an XL.

[@beagleboy111]

Good luck Lol

[@IamAquaman]

I waited on the T7 to come back in stock in a Large frame from for over a month and in that time just saved up enough money to order a Canyon Neuron 7. I was really interested in that T7 but unable/unwilling to wait for it to come back in stock. They look like great bikes for the price

[@TieriaZodak]

Well, the demand in the production country is really high due covid-19. People switching from motorize blvehicle to bike. So, might have to wait a lil longer

[@cncn9631]

Polygon is Indonesian Brand

[@lan8401]

Well for polygon, the stock was keep low due to the high demand, especially for indonesian costumer since Polygon was made in indonesia and the bike trend and deman in there was very high

[@davidwales9657]

There is also a Siskiu D6 and D5, that would be the actual "entry level". These are both just different levels of mid-range

[@mctg9043]

don't get the d6 or d5

[@bentoth2494]

No. The d6 and d5 are absolutely horrible, practically Walmart bikes. Especially the d5. The d7 is an entry level full sus

[@mctg9043]

@@bentoth2494 exactly

[@gills77]

@@bentoth2494 care to share why? Components, or something else?

[@OfficialElectronik]

@@bentoth2494 it's the rider that makes the bike I got the d5 and ride thru anything no issues, u should see the stunts I was doing back when I was a kid on a mongoose bike

[@MeridiasBacon]

Polygon Reppin'! Love my Siskiu N8. No other brand could beat the price for the spec. Couldn't really ask for more for my first full sus, as someone with a restricted budget.

[@Gogetaover90000]

How about united clovis 6.10 its a hardtail bike

[@stephanrobidoux2486]

Great video as always,even if Polygon is not available in Canada,i would like to see a comparison between a 2021 entry level full suspension and a 8-10 years old top tire bike

[@duey1083]

I realize this is a comment from 2 years ago, but MEC sells Polygon bikes.

[@computerbob06]

Neil and Blake back together once more! They'll be touring together, once more soon!

[@georgesoukup4058]

I just looked into polygon, and I am 100% going to buy a polygon for my next bike

[@tonyvandyke7588]

I’m so grateful for this review. I did my research and preordered the D7 dropper post edition three days before this review. I respect you guys and your opinions on bikes so I was really nervous clicking on the video but tremendously relieved to know I didn’t make a bad choice. This is my first full suspension bike and I didn’t want to be disappointed with the quality for the price.

[@beagleboy111]

you wont be disappointed, you can also upgrade components as it suits you as they are very good base.

[@mctg9043]

shoulda gone for the t7

[@pxylss]

@@mctg9043 T7 just has more travel.

[@phantomzzz6945]

2:09 wooden stick to support the bike noice. had been watching Blake and Neil all the videos and relay helped me getting back to my child hood cycling memories. now i bought my polygon cascade to start again what was a part of me once (cycling) I already Live in mountains so going to try to learn all skills. love from INDIA

[@azispratama6426]

this is the pride of Indonesia's bicycle .. finally get to see the bikes in the reviews on this channel .. thx

[@ThePalominasPiper]

Just ordered a D7 as my first full sus today. Going from a used $200 Rockhopper to this will hopefully be a dream!

[@scate3035]

same here! i've been riding an old diamondback hardtail that recently broke down for good and i just placed an order for the D7 before the black friday sale ended. i'm hyped to get back on the trails, good luck with your new bike!

[@ThePalominasPiper]

@@scate3035 Nice!

[@matthewbrealey2026]

This review was not good! Four ads and little insight. At 2:04 Recon RL Silver, not Gold. Should specify. Deore rd - essentially the same as the XT model apart from the lack of bearings in the jockey wheels, and you should specify that it has the clutch. M200 brakes - no such thing. It's MT200, and then either MT201 or MT200 levers (difference is the MT200 are steel, which rust, MT201 doesn't). I believe these are in fact MT201 Hubs - should mention that these are thru-axle and boost. Quite a bit above entry-level. Finishing kit from Entity - this is Polygon's own brand. Should specify. Siskiu N9 - the D7 is also tapered headset. But the frame geometry of an Enduro bike is different! That's why they weigh the same. Also you should mention that the fork is 36mm and obviously much much stiffer and more robust than the 32mm Recon. Saying they are both 'big brand' is ridiculous. Rockshox makes some really low grade stuff. This one is very much 'entry-level'. The Fox is a higher grade, and a piggy-back shock more expensive than the basic lock-out model on the D7. The reason they weigh the same is that one is a heavy-grade enduro bike with relatively light components, whereas the other is lighter-duty bike with cheaper heavier components. Brakes - yes they are TRP but they are a higher grade than the Shimano MT200, in that they are 4-piston. You should also mention that the difference between 11-speed and 12-speed is the 10t cog rather than the 11t cog at the bottom. T8 yes it's heavier because it doesn't have the higher grade components of the N9 but it's more robust than the D7.

[@dodi535]

very detailed than this vid😂😂

[@julianmcgregor7949]

Watch the vid then come to the comments for the real review. Thanks dude, very helpful

[@Shinichijeff]

When this comment is the real review of the bikes 🤣

[@matthewbrealey2026]

@@julianmcgregor7949 not really a review but basically Polygon have the Xtrada hardtail, 5 & 6 are the same frame, 5 is 2x10 XCM fork, 6 is 1x11 or 2x11 XCR, also clutch derailleur . I kinda like the 5 but the fork is best upgraded to something better like Epixon/Raidon/Recon RL. Xtrada 7 is 1x12 and thru axle frame, which is better but kinda overkill. Syncline is the carbon frame (same geometry) and not really worth it for most people as you really need a bunch of expensive components bro make carbon MTB worthwhile . Siskiu has the D5 which is kind of a basic spec with the bad XCM fork, qr axle, 2x9 drivetrain. D7 is ta frame, 1x11 and good enough suspension. It might be sold without dropper post in some countries. D6 isn't made any more for 2021. D series is full sus XC geometry. T series is full sus trail geometry so a bit more travel but T7 is largely the same components as D7, just more travel. Except you do get a 12 speed drive train and 4 piston rear brakes, which at the US price difference of $100 is a steal given the overall beefed up ness All these bikes are good if you pay a good price. Wrong price and not so much. But if your bike says Trek then people will be happy to pay more for the same or less. polygon not so much. T8 is basically the same as T7 with slightly better suspension, i.e. fox rhythm 34 up front, which is definitely better than the recon 32 rl but it's not a top of the line fork (you want fox float or RockShox charger). Also rear shock is better, but I'd kinda save the $500 and upgrade later (though the 32mm steel stanchions on the T7 definitely count as dated now) The N series (N8 N9) is just longer travel and better suspension generally but as noted in the video the N9 still is not the top of the range damper in the fork, so potentially you can do better even with a T7 and new suspension, but it depends on pricing again.. .

[@em8452]

Don't ruin it mate. I'm just happy they dared to show a recon on gmbn. But... love your attention to details.

[@ariotejobuwono447]

Greetings from Indonesia! That Bike was Made in Indonesia. Proud of it!

[@Mark_Tishman]

Hey guys, thank you for the review. I've got a D7 a month ago and already upgraded it - installed new blue grips))) it's a very good bike and I enjoy riding it very much.

[@plusmenewme]

Finally but I hope a Siskiu t8 review will come in the future.

[@jfrosty42]

I check the 2021 T8 stock at least twice a day 😂

[@KyleFonrose]

@@jfrosty42 did they say when it should be available for pre order?

[@napalm6148]

Interesting video. Would love to hear you go a bit more in-depth in comparing the actual ride experience between these cheaper/mid-range bikes and those upper range stuff you often use in GMBN. Like, for example, if you rode the N9 and a $5000-7000 bike blindfolded, what would be the key differences you'd spot right away? Or does it simply come down to more durable parts etc. instead of a drastically different ride experience?

[@equalizer4633]

if you rode the N9 and a $5000-7000 bike blindfolded, the key difference would be that you hit a tree fast vs really fast.

[@ageng.raditya]

Have em both 👍

[@benisaputra3902]

Hai sobat upgrade,. Sepedanya lg di review GMBN 😂 🎉

[@nanditho]

iyadah atlet Polygon mah enak di support

[@anangnf4333]

Iy iy

[@fiqi4107]

halo sobat upgrade

[@mentho101]

Have them all 😂

[@idostuff2527]

When entry level is 1500 you know you picked the wrong hobby

[@brandonodonnell7308]

I run a Siskiu T8. I have upgraded the basics and put volume spacers in both forks and rear shock. These are amazing bikes for the money. Yes I'd like a full carbon dual sus bike but the covid tax has put these out of reach of most people. My T8 is solid, reliable and perfect for my skill.

[@ADVRaiderKTM]

Awesome review! Will you guys please do one of the 2021 T7 model?

[@justaman676]

Guys! Why didn't you throw Polygon in the title?! I have been shopping my first full suspension for months. Trail riding for 2 years on a hardtail. My son has started riding with me so the requirement to buy two bikes demanded smart shopping. I'm sure most of us still have moments of bewilderment by the price of "entry" bikes. In my journey of riding, maintenance, and skill improvements the two of you have always been my favorites in video's and well delivered content. You can only imagine how stoked I was to see you guys riding the brand and touching on the bikes I have come to believe are truly the best bang for your buck, no compromise, entry/mid entry, quality bike. I'm talking about the 2021 Siskiu T8 and the the T7. (Not shown here) I loved this video and would implore you to add Polygon to the title. There is a serious shortage of content on these bikes and they deserve the attention. Your views and likes are sure to go up! My T8 is on pre-order and a T7 is going in the cart on availability. Keep the content coming. Actually now that I think about the fact I haven't secured my T7, maybe wait a month. Thanks!

[@davyP12]

Great video aimed at the price range most mortals will be looking at. Just shows its about the bike and not the name. Even so called budget ranges are coming with great spec kit and geometry. Sensible and informative vid guys. Keep safe all

[@Ski_3_p_o]

Look at the Marin alpine trail series. They just updated geo and get some damn aggressive numbers and kit for a super competitive price

[@andrerichard628]

I have that exact Siskiu D7. I think for the intended rider it more than fits the bill for cost and spec. The more I ride it the more I like it and just riding in general. Going forward will get something with longer travel for all the chunk where I live and of course because I love jumps. Sick video thanks.

[@ewan_young]

The suskiu d7 insn't that slack at 67°!!! slack would be more like the grim dohnut at 57° !!! 🤣

[@glennoc8585]

More xc

[@ghazypangerang6118]

Grim Donut is a different breed tho

[@Marc28031984]

67° is just the beginning of a trail bike. I would say a bike is slack with 64° and below but that’s just personal preference.

[@AbrahamBarberi]

I got last year the N9 and I love it. Great video

[@daet.4570]

did anyone else notice the framerate = RPMs on the bike wheels at 6:18? Makes them look kind of like they were just sliding along lol

[@omi922]

Own an N8 and its a beast, can't believe they are reviewing these bikes! Best value for the money

[@shreyasnehru8846]

Finalllyyy.....ibwas looking a review of siskiu d7 and you guys have made it thank you so much gmbn

[@k.irsyad]

Never thought polygon will have its own video from gmbn 😍

[@nostaku]

I used to own a 2019 Siskiu N9, I miss that bike

[@Glaciers.R1T]

Got my N7 a month ago. It rips. Very happy with the Polygon brand.

[@dokteraza]

Finally.. GMBN review my national bike brands.. next im waiting their review Patrol 691 bike..

[@Yasser_103]

Ini sponsor mank

[@bikesonline]

GOODNESS, you guys look SHARP aboard Polygon Bikes! 🤯

[@team_ipq2326]

I wish I had that good of a Full Suspension XC😔always waned a Polygon bike the T8 is dope

[@myapaquette7418]

The Dutch tilt shots and eerie music made me unsettled during the intro lol. Great video!

[@nelly5538]

Guys, can we please see a review of two long travel bikes with different levels of suspension? Example. Fox factory 36 w/kashima vs. fox rhythm 36!

[@pknark]

My “entry level” Stumpjumper still cost 4K CDN. Only things I’d change are the rotors and maybe carbon bars to help dampen some vibration.

[@niux919]

That entry level bike is 150% value of my car 😂

[@shouldersofgiants4649]

Dang what car do you drive?

[@j.s9875]

Do you have a LADA?

[@jonmh1390]

I love Polygon Bikes. I like their "simple" frames.

[@adamputu5448]

You Must Be To Thank You For Polygon Because Polygon From My Country 🇮🇩 . Polygon Make It The Factory At Surabaya City, Indonesia.

[@richardlintang8255]

Yes, I'm Indonesian, and yes I'm feeling super proud right now hahaha, The amount of attention Polygon doesn't get for their awesome value bikes is a bit too high right now!

[@allenphilip2328]

I have a polygon premier 5 2019 and I love it a lot the best choice I have made buying a Indonesian made😍 brand instead of shitty Chinese made cycle

[@sudipta_11]

I bought Polygon Premier 5 (2020) model last month over big brands name like Trek Marlin, Giant ATX and Giant Talon. I saved some money by investing in a Polygon bike and I'm super happy with the overall quality and performance of the bike. Best value for money brand.

[@allenphilip2328]

@@sudipta_11 Surely Polygon can beat Treak and giant at that price in every aspect

[@neodro4831]

I loooveeee my Polygon D7

[@The_Dude_420]

170 mil front & rear = All-Mountain-Bike? Wtf are you serious, when I started watching this channel 160 mil was considered enduro haha.

[@explosivemallard8038]

They can change the meaning of the numbers when all of it is marketing bullshit anyway.

[@dandemore8057]

i mean technically 170/170 bikes can do all the mountains lol

[@bumblebeeyaj9375]

Lol when Blake said that, I was like wth? I thought that's a enduro bike.

[@buggerall]

yeah, so here I am suddenly deciding I wanted to have a mountain bike again and just got into all the different classes you have these days. In my younger days you had MTB's and downhill bikes and MBX'es. Now I'm all confused again...

[@Amphibax]

There are now fixed rules on the different bike categories its mainly up to the manufacturer to classify the bikes

[@billy4eyes512]

I have a 2019 T7 in medium with 27.5 wheel size. Was my first dual suspension and cost $2200 AUD. Son is now riding this so I’m probably getting the D7 very soon. This time in Large and 29’er. Great value bikes, good components, excellent for budget conscious intermediate level riders.

[@Ammotive28]

I don’t think Blake is capable of leaving the ground without throwing a bit of swaz on it.

[@dns_falldamage9678]

For sure

[@hitary1]

So stoked to see more polygon on the channel! Just grabbed a D7 for the GF and a T8 for myself.

[@rccrazy9946]

Thanks gmbn I needed that video 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Perigault]

I actually just got a 2021 T7 which is another great value bike with decent components and better color scheme than the t8 IMO

[@amp8874]

To be fully honest I almost fell over dead when he said 1500 was the cheap one my price range was more thinking 500 cheaper to 1500 mid range.

[@therealesky5041]

Just Bought the n9 🤟

[@jasonlewis6914]

I sold of my full suspension. Don't ride it enough. Just kept my hardtail it's just a much better over all bike it's very well buil everything Shimano xtr. And lots of titanium parts

[@jasonlewis6914]

@Hands of Stone it's nothing special just a jamis. That I build over a little time

[@scottlstone]

Much better than last weeks Superbike vs midrange

[@jameswillemsen2609]

I swear to god people complain about the price of entry level bikes. Mtb has a high entry point if you want something that actually works. Try ride a crappy cheap bike and you'll be saving up for a nicer one pretty quickly

[@misteraxeman2680]

Exactly

[@INTEL965GAMES]

prettu quickly???? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA u think i earned $10000 per month....................................................................................................I earn $200 per month...................................Not everybody lives in the USA or EUROPE..................................................................................................................................................................................................................

[@jameswillemsen2609]

I live in NZ where we pay a pretty penny for all our outdoor gear. Saved up all my money from my after school job for 1. 5 years to buy my bike.

[@jameswillemsen2609]

@@INTEL965GAMES don't buy new then 🤷‍♂️ buy within your budget just don't complain when someone else's budget is differemt to yours

[@mbal4052]

@@jameswillemsen2609 he’s not complaining he’s stating fact

[@spinnekopje]

No matter how expensive your bike is: if you know how to get over obstacles with as little effort as possible you'll have the same amount of fun. Without mastering how to do so a more expensive bike can sometimes be more forgiving, but components won't live as long in that case and are much more expensive. Unless you go for the limit in racing there really is no need to go for more expensive than needed as long as geometry, amount of suspension, brakes (and gear range) can cope with the terrain you want to cycle on.

[@DrtSqrt]

I appreciate the reviews of the two bikes, but can you really “compare” a 120mm travel bike to a 170mm travel bike? A better comparison would have been between 2 of the exact same bike models with different build kits.

[@Bungle2010]

Extra travel is what your extra money is buying you. Surely that is the point if this video?

[@TheFatSteez]

Well mostly the point of the video is to advertise Polygon bikes. If they compared similar class bikes of different specs they wouldn’t be able to advertise the whole range I guess? Tbf they didn’t really even comment on how they rode, just described all the components

[@eriks_coasters]

Fun to see Neil riding my bike, even if it’s in a commercial. 😆

[@michaelb9664]

Not really feeling these ‘reviews’. I can’t believe Neil is saying sentences like “it’s only 11 speed” I mean, really? 🤷‍♂️ An almost £1500 bike is not “super affordable” either. A lot of names mentioned, but what’s the differences? Anyone who doesn’t know what Deore or XT means won’t have a clue.

[@octogintillion]

I've gotten used to GBMN's meaning of an "affordable" bike, but saying that it's "only" an 11 speed triggered me. I can't imagine that a one gear difference will make a big change, especially on trails I would think you could barely tell the difference between a few teeth on different cassettes.

[@davidmcglynn2765]

To try find some reasoning, the 11 speed will have the old style spline freehub. The 12 speed will been the microspline. Having the 11 speed rather than 12 adds an extra complexity to upgrading in the future. There's also no reason why they would have gone with the 11 speed other than making room above it. 12 speed deore is available, and the choice of freehub design is an option when speccing the hub. It doesn't make a difference to the cost (at least at retail, perhaps for OEM it might be more expensive). If that's what they were going for though, they should have called it out as such. The majority of people interested in a budget bike are probably still riding 10 or less so really don't care if it's 11 or 12.

[@jonahdewitt8464]

having recently upgraded my mtb drivetrain I believe Neil was getting at a larger sticking point than the number of cogs, gear ratios, and cadence. Its really hard to find 10 and 11 speed cassettes with a wide enough range to merit a one by system. you simply won't have an easy time finding a 50+ tooth cog to go on on bikes with less gears

[@BMfins]

Well if you don’t know the difference in components you could always google it. Lazy kids these days.

[@michaelb9664]

Batscat May as well say why bother making a comparison vid because people can just google it?

[@richardcrisologo1756]

Thank you for making a review of the polygon mtbs. I only trust you guys.

[@KZ-wc9tq]

Me: Yo bike, where's your sus? Among us addicts: IMPOSTER!IMPOSTER! HE'S THE IMPOSTER Everyone else: We mean SUSpension.

[@copyth5748]

I pre-ordered the 2021 D7 and got it smack bang on the release date, I love it for zipping around on the local trails, not as fast or as costly as my downhill bike, but it sure does the job.

[@Mytro34]

Would you recommend it? Im really looking at the D7 as my first bike. Been using some of my buddies hardtails but want full sus. Is there anything else around that price range of the D7 thats worth it or even the D6?

[@copyth5748]

@@Mytro34 D6 is good with price and all and is pretty much just a lower spec D7, but I would really recommend spending that little bit extra with the D7 as it comes with better suspension brand and etc. But yeah at the end of the day its hard to find a better bike for price other than the D7. Would really recommend it.

[@Mytro34]

@@copyth5748 that’s awesome. That really helps me. I have my eye on a few others in the $1.5-2K range but everything keeps bringing me back to this bike for the “bang for buck”

[@SoloSportsSpirit]

Polygon pancen joss tenan. 😁 Produk Lokal sing wis internasional...

[@ipoenkdarta2763]

Bener lurr...melu seneng karo bangga

[@dominiquefarha1765]

I got a 2008 santa cruz downhill bike for under a thousand bucks, inhad to put some money into it to fix it, and now its a great bike, it even gots a fox 40

[@iota667]

give "Polygon" on the tittle, n you will got 1M...... comment from +62 people!

[@giandarpamartoyudo575]

anjir HAHAHAHAHAAHA

[@sanadanosa]

sane +62 person here. can confirm.

[@dallysalyno4151]

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[@eroladica4911]

Viewer stonks

[@gobalgabul2449]

bgst...hhahahaha

[@mattcj8873]

My first full suspension bike was an entry level $1700 Haro that I rode for four years then I upgraded to a mid level $3000 Scott and the ride is night and day difference. These are American prices. I will not spend much more than that other than upgrading parts on the Scott since I love this bike that much. I think the mid level fits the bill for every type of riding that I do.

[@brandon-kg2vd]

Just ordered the N9 and I got to say, that is not mid range, for me its ultra high range but I still bought it lol 😭

[@gpearce11]

Polygon is probably the single best value brand on the market, closely rivalled by Marin, Norco and Merida. The Siskiu T7 and T8 in particular are amazing value; the T7 has absolutely everything you could possibly need on a full sus, while the T8 upgrades everything to all you could really ever need for not much more.

[@adamputu5448]

Of Course Dude Polygon Bike Brand From My Country 🇮🇩 Indonesia

[@taylorvousden]

And then there’s me watching this with a £350 hardtail 😂

[@nathanieljackson2177]

Carerra gang 💯

[@Rose_Butterfly98]

Omg polygon!!! I have a 2017 Siskiu D7 and 2017 Collosus T8. My Siskiu D7 came with an xt rear derailleur but it's 2x10. Polygon is my favourite brand just because their bikes tend to be priced lower than everyone else for the same components.

[@floppy_fingers]

For my fellow Canadians, 1,499 EURO is 2,341 CND

[@beagleboy111]

@@NikolaWG They are hard to get in Australia also, as they sell out before they get here lol

[@bryanmoffat5198]

I've been thrashing my £500 Decathlon BTwin for a year now with no issues. I love it, You don't need to spend crazy money.

[@richard73]

£1500 isn’t an entry level bike,my Boardman full suspension was well under £1000.

[@mentho101]

The components and geometry that counts but o well

[@AshrakAhmed]

Yeah my thought exactly! I thought was “Oh cool! GMBN will suggest some £900 to £1200 priced quality full suspension”. Instead the cheapest is £1500 and they call it entry level! I guess in their world everyone has fancy job and income and don’t have to support family on low income. Back to El Chepo for me!

[@mouseamillion]

Yup. My 2017 team FS has done me very, very well. £1000.

[@constantinadeluca7916]

I first pre-ordered a 2021 D7 in august,then the 2021 T7 came out and available for pre-order so i canceled the D7 order and am waiting for it to get shipped around oct 4th,cant wait to see what the T7 is about for the price, alot of people been talking about this brand and what you get for your money, good review !

[@zaidanzidnaffan5286]

I see polygon i click

[@matthewbrealey2026]

Nasi goreng detected

[@zaidanzidnaffan5286]

Indonesian people are different😂

[@rinchanmoktan201]

That polygon i was thinking was my dream bike. And its above my limits... man and ots entry level.

[@febriamyqozulfan764]

Polygon Xquarone is high end level

[@mikecoglione1308]

I am of the idea that if your budget is below a certain level you're better off getting a really nice hardtail vs a mediocre full suspension as the latter will have lower quality everything. In a full suspension bike with such high complexity, so many moving parts and the bike generally being able to go faster the extra abuse will wear it down more and you'll have more problems. Nothing wrong with living on a budget but for the same money if you buy something that is simpler even though it looks like you are getting less the overall qualify of everything will be higher. Call me crazy but the same goes for singlespeed. Especially in the lower to mid price levels singlespeeds are worth looking at as they will blow everything else away in their price range.

[@tfmaus]

and for once Neil gets the entry level bike

[@kyleslater5245]

Wish polygon were available more in my area. Not that I’d get one. Just need more value bike options imo

[@Shinichijeff]

U need to put "Polygon New bikes" on the title.

[@jonathanzappala]

This was a useful video. people who think this isn't budget and mid range are probably kids. Wait until your older and have a better paying job. Appreciate that the man hours that go into bikes cost money.

[@juanlovell_8739]

I proud to you already to use my country bike “polygon” +62 GG

[@marandamarvin]

I have a D7 and I love it! And I am lovin' the Drum & Bass in this video!

[@aldeux7086]

My entry level costs half of their entry level.

[@_pierreds_9955]

My mid rage is second hand

[@justicebdone7]

excellent, excellent, need more reviews with budget friendly bikes

[@masonforbes2220]

Love 💓 polygon

[@hishmithvvardhan5809]

Love you guys for keeping budget in mind need more videos like this

[@explosivemallard8038]

Except not really “budget” for the majority of people...

[@hishmithvvardhan5809]

@@explosivemallard8038 here too broh coz in my country India we get 500usd salary and the bikes cost 2times more due to tax

[@alexgrant6965]

Explosive Mallard dude if you’re a mountain biker and want an entry level new double suspension bike that won’t disintegrate when you take it to some jumps, you have to be ready to spend a good amount of money

[@explosivemallard8038]

Alex Grant Right. This what I’m pointing out. This isn’t anything close to “budget”.

[@PeterCPRail8748]

You guys and the rest of the mtb media should focus on entry level and mid level bikes. The industry has gone for shit pushing 5000+ dollar bikes that only a handfull of us can afford or rationalize to buy. I always buy mid range aluminum framed bikes and had no issues in performance or fun factor. Yes high end has its place but for 95% of us its overkill. But I guess when the manufacturers pay you guys and others big bucks to push the bling bling bikes. We have to look for smaller youtube channels or individual bike owners for reviews of the more reasonable priced offerings.

[@AshrakAhmed]

Yeah this video is a pretty much a commercial for the brand. The price of N9 is so high there’s no way it’s a Mid-range! I can get a Orbea Oiz H20 for that price and change leftover. Where is the Jamis Dakar A2 if they are reviewing entry level full suspension?

[@AdiFPaputungan]

@@AshrakAhmed that's not an apple-to-apple comparison; Oiz is XC bike I believe.

[@Amphibax]

The problem is covering entry level stuff is mostly pretty uninteresting, apart from some good value for money options. The interesting and new stuff is mainly happening in the highend space and there are just so many bikes on the market you just cant cover everything

[@ansellhalim]

I have the Siskiu D7 just like the one Neil was using. 🤩

[@frans5470]

Hi guys, nice vid on affordable bikes, one question though... I always thought that 120 mil front suspension was a class 4 bike, only capable of jumping 50 cm... Could you please comment on that ? Btw, keep up the excellent work, lads ! 🚵🏼

[@Pienimusta]

It's great how tech has moved forward and how much performance you get for your money nowadays.