Envision Pro OR Reflex FPS? | Which Scuf Controller you should get!

[@TheSoberDad_]

Really enjoyed your video. I have been using a Scuf Impact since 2019 (Yes it works like a charm still - no stick drift either - Heavy game usage too - its just time to upgrade), and almost got the reflex fps until I saw your review. Envision Pro it is!

[@SjDaSauceGod]

This might be the single best comment i’ve gotten on a video! I’m glad i could help with your decision! I’ll be posting follow up video with me settings for the controller shortly

[@larryculp6419]

Same here I bought the reflex fps and after searching a lot I saw this video,cancel the order and already got the envision pro from best buy with 2 years warranty for $29 ,thanks!!!!

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@larryculp6419 happy i could help in making the decision!

[@pondhoppertv]

I just switched to Scuf from XBox Eliete Series 2... I bought an Instinct Pro and an Envision Pro to see which I would like better... the Envision performs way better so I sent the Instsint back to Amazon. What I like about the Envision is that you can cap the buttons you don't want to use... plus the transition to jump shots is so much better on the Envision. It's so good I'm going to order a second one for backup. Thanks for the review.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

the envision has been a game changer for me. I'm glad you are having a similar experience as well! Thanks for watching!

[@walterwolfgaming]

I have both but the back grips on the Envision Pro is not the same quality like on the Reflex. Here is more plastic and on the Reflex is more rubber. What you think?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

i would agree. The rubber on reflex wraps around more than the rubber on the envision pro

[@SoxXxOwnsU]

I had the Reflex and have bad stick drift. Bought the envision Pro through Bestbuy, and paid $35 for 2 year warranty. Now if I have any issues I can just go in and get it replaced on the spot. Couldn't customize but I have PS4 kontrol freeks that look like they work so.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Something about those reflex controllers resulted in impossible stick drift. But the best buy warranty sounds super clutch, 2 years is more than scuf offers!

[@SoxXxOwnsU]

@@SjDaSauceGod I wanted to customize my controller, but the two year warrant was just to tempting, especially when I can just walk into the store rather than ship etc. Hopefully I dont ever have to though.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

better to have and not need, than to need and not have!

[@ChaoticMuchX]

​@@SoxXxOwnsUwarranty on that xontroller is like $50 to $60, not $35

[@ryanjacobson7394]

Bra I did the same thing got the 2 yr warranty at best buy on my envision pro literally within a yr have returned 3 of them on my 4th one love the controller but have had problems, the slide paddle I use bro and cracked on 2 of them, the other one the app stopped detecting controller so took that back on my 4th one . Love the warranty it's super clutch brand new trollers for life

[@lindsaaayb]

Great video! Thanks for the explanation!

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Glad it was helpful!

[@andylong289]

The back paddles on the envision are 100% removable by the way. You can’t overclock the envision either. I just ordered the Reflex FPS and I’m gonna try it out. I’m on my 4th envision pro in 4 months. Has a WHOLE lot of issues.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I didn't realize these paddles can be removed! I do know you can't overclock and tha is something I do miss from using my reflex fps. 4th envision in 4 months is actually insane. You'll have to let me know how you feel about reflex fps!

[@andylong289]

@@SjDaSauceGod the left D pad on the Envision got permanently stuck on one, the Y button stopped working on two of them. The 4th is working just fine, I really just want to try out a true PS controller and heard great things about the Reflex.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@andylong289 i gotcha, i loved the reflex pro and even reflex fps. I was already accustomed to PS controllers so they were natural in my hand. The learning curve for using Envision was rather steep in comparison to the PS controllers.

[@Kronospr1.]

Your wrong, you can overclock the envision with hidushbf.

[@andylong289]

@@Kronospr1. I’m not wrong, it literally does not do anything when you test it. The polling rate is locked at 500.

[@joshstokes9626]

Can anyone confirm if the grip is rubberised on the reflex fps? I currently have the envision pro and that grip is more of a plastic texture feeling and I’m considering getting the reflex pro for the rubber grip plus the Icue software is rubbish for the envision pro🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SjDaSauceGod]

The reflex FPS has similar grips to that of the envision. The rear portion is rubberized on the fps while the face has the plastic texture. I will say that it does appear that the rubberized grip on the reflex fps does wrap further around than it does on the envision. I hope this helps!

[@4739bruno]

It’s going to break soon. Mine the spring break of the right lower trigger broke already.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I have been using the controller for over a year now. Tbh, I got the use from it already. If it broke, I would buy a new one immediately.

[@123clyd3]

i have the best buy total tech membership so my controller came with a two year warranty. ik this isn’t ideal for everybody but i think more ppl should know about that option.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I have heard good things about BB TT, definitely worthwhile!

[@zora_tech]

If I am not mistaken companies legally have to give you a 1 year warranty in the US. But it will probably be a huge hassle to try and get them to do anything about it. Then again for a $380 controller I would expect a minimum of a 1 year warranty. As a matter of fact anything that is over $100 in this economy I would expect a minimum of a 1 year warranty. Otherwise if a company does not give you that, then I think they know for sure it's gonna fail hence the shorter warranty.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I'm not sure of the exact legality for warranties. I believe certain credit cards afford warranties for large purchases. But to your point, the 6 month warranty seemed a bit low, Definitely a brutal surprise when i found out the reflex wasn't covered.

[@aimbotwithouttheaim4520]

​@SjDaSauceGod scuf reflex fps has 12 months warranty now I was about to buy it yesterday but wanna see more reviews first. I wonder if replacing the analogs is as easy as it is on a standard ps5 controller cos I know I'll get stick drift eventually but cba dealing with scuf customer service cos it's soooo bad

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@aimbotwithouttheaim4520 oh really? that is a huge W if reflex fps now has a 12 month warranty. Would have saved me some money! I'm not sure about how easy they are to change but potentially doable. I would check TOS to see if it would break warranty though.

[@iio8017]

So you recommend the scuff invision pro ? Over the reflex pro ?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

you are correct, i do recommend the envision over the reflex pro.

[@iio8017]

@@SjDaSauceGod Thank you

[@henry3397]

Great review bro! I've been looking for a good controller for PC, i like my elite 2 but the polling rate is pretty poor and I prefer the symmetrical joysticks for FPS aiming. Not a huge fan of DS4/PS5 shape either so this is a perfect fit! I'm planning to buy it at Best Buy with their warranty because SCUF seems to always have some issues after some time. But while theyre good theyre great

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Thank you! I used the Elite 2 when i was on console and quickly switched to scuf when i moved to PC. Good move on the warranty, there's still no issues *knock on wood* but I am still on my toes.

[@Mopantsu]

What we really need is a Dualsense Edge with hallf effect triggers and paddles :)

[@SjDaSauceGod]

if the edge had hair triggers and paddles it would be more viable. The triggers on those aren't nearly as mouse clicky as these scufs

[@tylermiller214]

I have had the same FPS since release also. The only problem I have sometimes is it won’t let me run even with auto run but sometimes I think it’s the game I don’t know. I need a new one soon was hoping turtle beach would release the ultra on ps5. Also got the Dual sense edge which I love but wish it has 4 paddles

[@SjDaSauceGod]

the controller felt great, i just wish it didnt have issues. Dual sense edge is solid but to your point, only 2 paddles on it.

[@yousufkhan02]

I got stick drift on my scuff envision pro. Its the right thumb stick and I have my dead zone turned up to 34😢 I need to send in my controller to battle beaver and have them try to fix it and add stick tension 😊 scuff/battle beaver controller. Should be a good combo

[@IsaacVCZ]

maybe switch the joysticks, the envision is swappable.

[@yousufkhan02]

@@IsaacVCZ it has nothing to do with that

[@IsaacVCZ]

@@yousufkhan02 okay sorry.

[@yousufkhan02]

@@IsaacVCZ I just sent in my controller. How long did it take from the day you shipped it and got it back, like 2 weeks

[@IsaacVCZ]

@@yousufkhan02 around 2 and half

[@Chelsea20012]

Hi would you recommend the envision pro for someone who has small hands

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I would say they are pretty similar size to xbox controller. Not quite as small as a ps4 controller though.

[@e.1.i.e.r]

is it also like a Mouse click?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

yes, all the buttons on the envision are also a mouse click. I just posted my one year review of this controller as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYKqdmyPjsyDj5osi=sDk4HEswmFQJ7gDR

[@mohammadmusakhan6990]

Thank you great video ❤❤

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Thank you so much!

[@ryanjacobson7394]

Another thing the reflex has way better input then the envision its way more responsive and faster

[@mvp9563]

Which controller has the fastest mouse click trigger?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I would say they both have the same mouse click type trigger. The envision controller has the toggle to turn on/off this feature. But overall, they appear to be the same.

[@elijahruiz4418]

Can you take off All the back paddles on the envision?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

you cannot, they are attached to the rear as a single piece

[@darkraven178]

Thanks man good stuff

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Thank you!

[@rogersee2080]

I hate the back paddles position feel awkward and I have large hands, gonna shoot my shot with the impact

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I had about a 2 week adjustment period with the controller. But i did eventually grow to enjoy it. Best of luck with the impact!

[@ruthless_gaming_ja]

Is the envision pro back paddles easier to press than the reflex

[@SjDaSauceGod]

in my opinion, yes they are. Feels more flush with controller.

[@markcoleman86]

What KontrolFreek fits? Ps5 or xbox?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I am using my carry over from PS5 scuf!

[@markcoleman86]

@@SjDaSauceGod thank you! Fits okay??

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@markcoleman86 it fits great with concave thumbsticks!

[@babas0097]

Thought the scuf envision pro was only for PC gamers not console?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

You are correct, it is only for PC. I use the scuf envision for PC gaming.

[@reallydadpodcast]

Love my envision pro but icue app sucks

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I completely understand

[@3_kids_one_shot726]

I’ll try the dual sense pro Sony controller. Any pros and cons on anyone?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Other than my unboxing video and very brief usage, I can't really do a pros/cons list justice. I will say that I know a few people who use it and are very happy with them, and they use it on PC.

[@alecseiple1919]

I can not get used to the scuff envision pro . The paddles don’t agree with my hands broo:( they make my hands cramp up

[@SjDaSauceGod]

For about a week, I strugged with the triggers on the controller. They felt like they were digging into my index finger. Eventually, I came around to it and it has not been a problem since. I'm not saying that will happen for you, but just wanted to share my story. I hope yours does get better too!

[@melavalanche]

Hello which one for big hand ?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I can’t say for sure, i have pretty averaged size hands. But i would say the Envision does feel like it could adapt well to larger hands.

[@dMessi.]

Envision pro can not be overclocked I honestly belive its dog water . But scuff reflex or reflex fps are awesome.

[@WestSidetheBestSide971]

Great exactly what I need. Tech advice from an Indian hipster

[@SjDaSauceGod]

First time i've ever been called a hipster, not sure how to take this one

[@alejandrorosa6196]

fixed it👍🏽

[@itswebb4799]

Xbox elite 2 is the best controller to me. I’ve had scuf and aim controllers and what you can do with the elite 2 there’s no comparison. And they last forever

[@TheJms1977]

If your gonna say its your boy at the beginning im out

[@SjDaSauceGod]

it's ya* boy

[@rogersee2080]

Lmao

[@RonRon0110]

Man you sound fun

[@smileytavira7088]

YEAH IM OUT TOOO

[@cbarrshiz]

Na envision isnt it. icue is cancer to your pc and the controller is polling rate locked.

[@krisdegrusha2350]

Yea plus they break in just 2 months. I’m in the process of returning one

[@cbarrshiz]

yikes, ive had good luck with hypr's. only problem is the wait times@@krisdegrusha2350

[@SjDaSauceGod]

Sorry to hear iCue hasn't worked well. I just checked and it's pulling less than 1% of my CPU. What issue are you having with it?

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@krisdegrusha2350 what happened to yours? Is Scuf replacing with a new one or refunding you?

[@krisdegrusha2350]

@@SjDaSauceGod I ordered the scuf envision in dec. it came in sometime before Christmas and it worked fine out the box as expected. The icue software was not very user friendly and after finally getting it set up it would crash multiple times in a gaming session and what not but that wasn’t the issue for me. The problem came about 2 weeks ago when my left trigger stopped responding. I was able to get it to work again by switching it to the long press mode but that’s not what I purchased it to use it for but okay… Within 3 days of that issue I was playing a game and while pressing the right paddle it snapped right off the controller. After further inspecting it I noticed there was a thin white stress line on the opposite paddle that was still attached but clearly on its way out as well. The problem is the design for the paddles is basically made to break. It’s made out of plastic similar to a pen cap and it doesn’t have a joint so every time you press the button you are bending that plastic back and forth weakening it with every press. I messaged them and said I don’t want it repaired I want a refund. They sent me a return label automatically but I’m not sure yet how they are going to handle this once they receive the controller.

[@UttRConcrete]

The Envision pro sucks, had it for 1 days and it’s going back to Best Buy. The icue software is pure garbage.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

needing the iCue app is the worst part of the controller. What issues were you having with the controller otherwise?

[@2012WrxSti]

yes icue is garbage but i had the controller plugged in and it works just fine, icue was my only complain

[@UttRConcrete]

@@SjDaSauceGod the icue software would not update the dongle to the latest firmware and it would crash each time I attached the usb c cord to controller. I ended up paying a little more for the Instinct Pro after I returned it to BB.

[@SjDaSauceGod]

@@UttRConcrete that's unfortunate but I'm glad you were able to move to the instinct pro instead

[@yadielandujar3563]

I got the envision and i havent had any problem with the software and no stick drift and had it for like 5 month and still no problem

[@iGoldenWax]

Just get the Xbox elite series 2! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I have one! I use it when i game on xbox! (Rare for me now-a-days)

[@raymondb5117]

That’s wack I hope my shit don’t come like that

[@Yuniqe..]

The biggest problem for me is the input delay between a normal Scuf reflex fps and a Envision . 0.7ms compared to nearly 2ms 🫠

[@SjDaSauceGod]

I had my reflex fps overclocked and thought it may be an issue for me. I may be just getting old but the input delay hasn't been much of an issue for me since switching. (i also had problems with reflex so i was excited to get a new controller in the envision)

[@ryanjacobson7394]

Ya the delay is definitely noticeable going from a reflex to a envision reflex is deff more responsive man especially for a movement god such as myself I actually might switch back to my reflex