EOS-R Disappointment | Time to Switch from Canon

[@MattWhiteMattWPBS]

There's a PR guy at Canon who's really regretting that loaner right now...

[@stulora3172]

I don't think so. Any news is good news. Thomas mentioned the camera in three (?) of his videos, so he increased the visibility. I, for example didn't know that model before. At least that's how I hope/believe that marketing works....

[@cliveadams7629]

His opinion is informed but not necessarily relevant to everyone. Plus there are those contearians who will buy it because someone else doesn't like it...

[@fp3359]

@@f0t0b0y And the fact, as I've not heard, didn't use RF lenses at all.

[@wendygerrish4964]

Great critic. I really didn't hear anything negative about the Canon eos r just a great description of a photographer's relationship with his camera. Very Shakespearian. Looked good to me..ice caves, rising tides, rain, cold what's not to like?

[@obikedog]

Sure - goofy marketing people will shudder. But I bet their research and development gurus are running this up to their bosses with happy grins.

[@TheNewTravel]

Sometimes people who don't usually review gear do the best reviews of all. Full-time reviewers get too concerned with the tiny details. Photographers like yourself can actually review how the gear works day to day. And that's what matters most.

[@MegaNardman]

So very true

[@stubones]

The New Travel agreed. People get obsessed with details that have little impact on reality. I shoot sports for a company that mainly uses uses 1D mk4 cameras, 100-400 lenses and version 1 70-200 2.8 IS lenses. Everything is shot in medium jpg and customers wouldn’t know any difference. I felt into the trap of buying the latest and greatest canon gear 5 years ago, spending almost £30k and lost a small fortune selling it used.

[@grantos]

Canon is supposedly releasing a beastly mirrorless camera next year that's supposed to shake up the industry. But they're holding off until they get a solid collection of new glass. So perhaps you just have to wait 6 months or so? Or maybe it's over for Canon. We'll see

[@omegadeep1]

@@grantos There is a finite limit to advancements, as currently with mobile phones, as there was with analogue cameras and will be with digital imaging. The race is about convincing people they need something when really they don't. For the most part it's about getting people to look at your latest must have.

[@rattoh]

The z7 is a terrible value at it's current price and specs

[@markharris5771]

A camera reviewed by a photographer from a photographer's point of view makes a refreshing change.

[@mikeysteam]

Especially if they say what you want to hear (tongue in cheek)...

[@markharris5771]

To be honest I can’t see me changing my digital camera again, I'm happy with my 5DIII and 7DII and my analogue cameras. But unfortunately what you say could be true, cameras have become very divisive and more than ever before people fall out over kit rather than debate images. I very rarely look at reviews, but I was interested in Thomas's view as both a very respected photographer as well as being a respected KZbinr. The only part that let him down was someone from Blackpool criticising NUFC.

[@LucLodder]

Funny thing is i bought an 5d mk IV this year. Since i have the EOS-r the 5d is my second camera. I love the EOS-r. AF is better then the 5d.

[@thenicflynn]

Mark Harris right? Lol he said he was the worst to review it but I think he is one of the best lol I can read a spec sheet. I wanna know the whole story from a photographer’s point of view!

[@darthioan]

I bought it after the price came down, and I use it for portraiture and street with older dslr lenses and vintage lenses for the m39 and m42 mounts. I love it a lot (I also own A7 III, Oly M1 mark II, and Z6). I do not care about its video capabilities. Canon knows how to make a camera, in my opinion.

[@rafalkonieczny]

Totally get your point. I am still using 5d mk2 and waiting for the true replacement. But on the other hand, I don't think that you will get a significant upgrade in your pictures by switching the system (from 5d mkiv). One thing that bothers me in your video is that you skipped the fact that Canon nailed the lenses for EOS R. If you are ok with the weight - it is really the best thing you can get.

[@PK-ql5en]

Rafał Konieczny oh please as if other brands don’t have good lenses...get a grip man.

[@tykeboy16]

because he is using an adapter for his current lenses

[@quebecer4605]

It's time to get the Fujifilm GFX!!!

[@AndreasLarzon]

Yes the images are great with a GFX. But its way to expensive with lenses from wide to tele (roughly twice the price of a Z7 with holy f4 trinity) plus you have to mutch limitations yet in lens choices. But they getting there.

[@christostevin-hall697]

The obvious choice!

[@vianditya]

Andreas Larzon if he’s using manual focus then there’s plenty of choice from legacy lenses with adapter

[@frauleindaniela]

If you get perfect pictures out of the 5D4 why change? What could another camera really offer to you? Would the image quality really be better? I am interested in understanding why you would like to change, because that didn't really come across in the video.

[@austinman1234567]

You beat me to it with this comment. If it ain't broke why fix it?

[@andrewpolitano]

Maybe he's simply feeling uninspired by using the same gear day in and out. It's always possible that a huge change in operations could bring about a massive creative boost from where he least expects it. Just a guess, of course. Perhaps his bodies are reaching that point where shutter count is starting to become a concern?

[@TwoTracksOutdoors]

I have to agree, Fraulein, with your last statement.

[@camhan1151]

Maybe cause it's too heavy?

[@charruaporelmundo]

Weight and size.

[@jiafoto2046]

Full frame has its limitations, even with super high megapixel tech. Try Fuji GFX medium format for landscape, you’ll love it🤨! I’m a Sony user tho.

[@ignasb]

Indeed. If he wants more megapixels, he needs a larger sensor as there are fundamental constraints of physics that can not be pushed too far. That is... if we agree that cameras will continue using traditional sensor reading techniques without any smart machine learning, etc. However, I hope he will focus on the photography content which he does well and stays away from the "cameras" side-of-things in this channel. Nearly any modern camera is good enough for the work that he does. We are here mainly for the creative side of things

[@MegaNardman]

Every system has its limitations, not just full frame. M43(and smaller) to medium format(and larger), all tech is a trade-off. It's all about picking what fits your needs best as an artist.

[@brianmcpartlan8664]

I'm gonna sound like a noob probably but what are the limitations of a full frame camera?

[@MikeHeller]

Lens selection is what blows. D850 is far more versatile and damn close on ultimate quality.

[@danielgmur6486]

For IQ you are right, but what about weight? If you use a 24-70 and 70-200 on FF i wonder what lenses you would need for the GFX and how heavy they are.

[@KoreyHart]

Who’s watching in 2020 with the new eos r5 and r6 release?

[@WillGoodlet]

I am! Interesting looking back :)

[@RijadHanic-virtual]

I am 🙂. This is amazing camera. I put order for R few days ago.

[@KoreyHart]

@@RijadHanic-virtual yeah I'm thinking of getting it as well, upgrading from Canon T7i

[@KoreyHart]

@@WillGoodlet it is

[@HugoBarrientoss]

purchasing the Canon R right now.

[@damianc80]

I just got one and I absolutely love it. Best camera I’ve ever owned.

[@RS.Outdoors]

Was thinking about the Canon and decided last week to give it a miss. Also fancied a change from Sony so have bought a second hand Nikon D810 and looking forward to trying it.

[@clawjs]

I've had a Canon5DMIV and a D810 side by side for over 3 years, and now the D850 for a year. In my opinion I can hands down say that if you're only or primarily shooting landscape the D850/810 is far surperior choice over the 5DMIV. The secondhand market's fantastic, you can find a good D810 for only about 1200USD in my local classified.

[@RS.Outdoors]

@@clawjs In the Uk I managed to get a fairly mint used D810 with low shutter count and extras for £1050 and pairing it with the new Tamron 17-35 f2.8-4 OSD. Although a larger camera the lens is light and the total carry weight is only about 200 grams more than my A7 with 16-35 f4. Having only really ever used mirrorless I got to play with both a D850 and the new Canon Eos and liked the form factor and ergonomics better than the Sony's to me. If I am out in the hills and moutains during winter with big gloes on etc, I was keen on the larger grip and button layouts.

[@arianzaw7187]

Got my D810 paired with a 24-70 for landscape should I get a 14-24?

[@markburton3306]

I have. D810. Love it. It works quite well as sports camera too :)

[@johnbanner4267]

Nice 👌, none of Canons camera is on par with the D810 😂

[@38jessiC]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a canon user say anything like this. Im impressed with your honesty

[@runemaster96]

because they are the most brand loyal kzbin.info/www/bejne/e37JdHern7asrbs

[@Georgeinthejungle]

Yes, we are known liars. It's a blessing and a curse really....

[@MichaelTapel]

Can I have your number ?

[@TheSandornagy]

Impresssed by a cry without logical reasoning?! Meeh

[@canonshooter3490]

He will stay with Canon as soon as the pro version of the Canon R is out (+/- fall 2019). He implicitly says so if you watch the entire video ... The EOS R is a consumer body which shouldn’t be compared to pro mirrorless cameras such as the Sony A9 (A7 is also for consumers).

[@FirstNameLastName-sf6zg]

I love my A7iii for what I got for the price. However, that Nikon D850 is a beast.

[@keloduma]

All these dissapointing releases just to protect a Cinematography line that no general citizen will ever buy.

[@patlezinc]

Sisekelo Duma I bought it and I am really happy. Probably because I bought cameras to take photos

[@AstroPhotos]

EOS R5?

[@dukenukem5768]

The general citizen takes shit stills and even worse videos (if he does them at all). But that doesn't stop him worrying sick about how many pixels and frames/sec the camera does. II hope cameras will evolve into separate still and video types to get this video crap out of the hair of us still photogs. Actually it would be a re-evolution, first happened over 100 years ago.

[@jamiewindsor]

Did you try any R lenses or did you only use the old EF lenses with an adapter? I think the R series is made so Canon can step up the quality of their optics. The camera is almost secondary. The shortened flange distance means that the rear element can sit a lot closer to the sensor meaning that a lot of the problems of their past lenses can be bypassed. I tried the new 50mm f/1.2 R the other day and it's mind-blowingly good.

[@mrjm6752]

The R lens prices are just insane and dont justify their price. You pay for the new mount developpement cost, the 50mm f/1.2 R is good yes but at current price these lens are too expensive for what they are.

[@plbraveheart]

@@mrjm6752 but the question was "did he try it?" not "what do you think about the price off those RF lenses?" 🤣

[@SeanandOreo]

After seeing Peter McKinnon's video where he basically framed all the negatives as challenges for his work in an obvious I'm sponsored and want to make money fashion, I'm really happy to see you are actually calling this out for what it is.

[@scriptosaurusrex]

I don't think McKinnon is sponsored. But that video was really weird. That said, he is just a hipster, mediocre photographer with a huge following who makes videos of himself fucking about for a living. After getting lucky with a couple of viral videos full of terrible advice. Thomas on the other hand actually knows what he is doing.

[@SeanandOreo]

@@scriptosaurusrex He is sponsored by Canon. He's listed on their site.

[@scriptosaurusrex]

@@SeanandOreo have a link? Quick google didn't help me here. I was going to say that he would need to disclose that by American branding laws, at which point I realised he os Canadian and I have no idea if they have the same rules. Just curious, and would be curious about other names on the list who seem suspect at times. Thanks

[@dr_that_guy]

Scriptosaurus rex This is the link you are looking for. www.canon.ca/en/pro-photo-video/Industry/Professional-Photography

[@SeanandOreo]

@@scriptosaurusrex sure, just Google Peter McKinnon's sponsored Canon. The first result for me is from Canon Canada and on their website they have him listed. He also has gone to their warehouse in some of his videos and Canon Canada consistently loans him products for his videos.

[@robertocordero4682]

Sony A7R3 a true beast and you can still use all your canon and Nikon glass with one or two adapters☝️

[@tonyjames5444]

roberto cordero Having seen videos of this guy shooting on the coast with sea spray in the air as well as in rain/inclement weather and having had a Sony a7riii breakdown on me after being caught in a rain shower I would be very careful on taking what is without doubt a good camera into environments it simply can't cope with. Lensrentals conducted a very thorough tear down of this camera and as with previous versions found it to have zero weather sealing on the base, in their words: "In case you can’t tell, I’m pretty unhappy with the bottom design of the Sony A7rIII. There’s absolutely no protection or improvement over the Sony A7rII. Now the case designers (and most of you) are probably aware that rain falls down from the sky onto the top of the camera. The repair people (like us) are aware that people set cameras down and puddles occur; also splashes go up, and sometimes cameras are held in portrait mode. In other words, a liquid will find your weakest point". www.slrlounge.com/lensrentals-does-a-tear-down-finds-the-kink-in-the-sony-a7riii-weather-sealing-armour/ Not being anti Sony here as I like the camera but from a landscape perspective where ruggedness is important especially for the kind of 'off the grid' photography Thomas does I feel these issues should be considered.

[@kingofbratz3626]

Weather sealing doesn't bother you ?

[@BestxBelieve]

For the price the d850 would be a better option for landscape. The thing about sony is that they have all the best features but aren’t the best at any. And people who specialize are turned off by it.

[@MegaNardman]

@@tonyjames5444 They also concluded the EOS R lacked sealing outside of its dials & buttons...an odd choice to be sure. It looks like if you want ruggedness in a FF mirrorless system, Nikon is the way to go (said as a Sony shooter).

[@stevemckenzie4731]

Hyperbole and exaggeration! I specialise in seascapes and I'm not turned off by my A7RIII (or my A7R) .... Image quality is inditinguishable from the D850 (in any objective review).@@BestxBelieve

[@ronin6327]

medium format is the way to go for me. Fujifilm is killing it lately!

[@BubuSnow93]

It's really expansive tho, and there is no comparison for lens choices.

[@ladislavsvencik]

A7RIV with the new 60mpix sensor and 2 stops better DR will put current Fuji MF at shame. Wider options of lens to choose from, better AF, smaller body and cheaper.

[@PeteTheBritt]

Wow, having just watched this I thought you’d been sitting on my shoulder when I’ve said almost exactly the same thing. I’ve been waiting years for Canon to join the mirrorless market & I was so,excited when they announced their arrival but instead of kicking the door down & jumping in to the party room with a couple of bottles of tequila & shouting out loudly “let’s get this party started”, they’ve politely knocked on the door & waited for Sony to answer & asked “can we come in please?”. I too shoot with the 5d4 & have felt so let down with this rather uninspiring mirrorless offer from Canon & their announcement a couple of years ago saying that their DSLR business was a mature business & they were looking to invest more elsewhere still haunts me.

[@ggphoto36]

Hi Thomas - I do really appreciate all you've said about this camera and had I owned a Canon 5d mark IV, I'm pretty sure this would not be a good switch. But I was using the Canon 6D, and I have to say, I'm just loving my new Canon R. It has a great feel to it, is nice and small, and works wonderful with the adapter and my old lenses. As mostly an outside landscape photographer, the greatest feature is actually the automatic sensor shutter upon closing as I ALWAYS had issues with keeping my sensor clean. Also the articulating screen has been awesome in certain situations. But really it just has been taking great photos. I think for someone like me, this is a great camera and I'm super happy with it.

[@GingerPhotographer]

I'm confused by this video, you purchased a Canon EOS-R in hope that it would be an upgrade from the 5D Mark IV? - Did you not know that it uses the same Sensor as a 5D Mark IV? The only advantages of a Canon EOS-R is the fact it's mirrorless, has an electronic view finder, flippy screen and a few extra nifty buttons. The 5D Mark IV is over 2.5 years old, on it's initial release cost £3600 - EOS-R cost £2400, canon's first Mirrorless camera and by no means an upgrade in comparison to the 5D Mark IV. I'm interested in knowing why the 5D Mark IV doesn't cut it? If it's mega Pixels you're after and dynamic range then you should be looking at Hasselblad or Fujifilm GFX!

[@paultaylor5513]

He didn't buy the camera it was a loaner. You need o watch his prior videos on this to get the full picture.

[@GingerPhotographer]

@@paultaylor5513 Loaned camera or not, the expectations was for a replacement.

[@paultaylor5513]

@@GingerPhotographer I don't think so. He said he was disappointed when the specs of the camera were announced.

[@janiriekkinen401]

But why Canon use 2 years old sensor in EOS-R?

[@jwhistler]

@@janiriekkinen401 some people that have never worked in tech expect major jumps on a yearly basis. well, sometimes you just can't go any further. and if you can't improve on something that has reached its limit you start working on ergonomics and other stuff (btw, the R system is more about the lenses than the cameras). also, keep in mind that R&D costs money. doing something revolutionary (by today's standards) would make the end product prohibitively expensive. not to mention that it would take years before it hits the market. i'm pretty sure Canon (or other camera manufacturer for that matter) could pull off such tech. but how many would actually spend money on it? how many of you own a $40k Hasselblad? i wish popular photographers that vlog or have some form of interaction with the community would stop sharing what gear they have and focus solely on the photography part.

[@photoyed]

Well, this camera has the same sensor as the 5D4, and you use it with EF (not RF) lenses, on a tripod, narrow aperture, with manual focus. This will indeed give you a 5D4, no reason to complain it is too similar to 5D4. The big promise is the new mount and the lenses it can facilitate - they indeed get fantastic reviews. The drop in filter adapter for CPL/ND for UWA lenses is also a nice touch. maybe wait for the next body, because this one is just something to put behind RF glass.

[@davidroberts5535]

I wonder if he would think differently if he used the RF 28-70. Supposedly it's a beast and super sharp. Not to mention Canon is also rumored to be releasing the sharpest wide angle ever...who knows. What I do know is that people rave about switching from Canon to Nikon or Sony but in the end, no one can tell the difference in the final product.

[@jameslane3846]

This is why I shoot on the Mamiya RB67 :) never need to upgrade

[@HenryPiffpaff]

What about the RZ67?

[@Fnzzy]

@@HenryPiffpaff That's an upgrade in my book. Although the RB Pro-SD has a back with no light seals. hmmm...

[@Fnzzy]

I mean he has a 4x5 large format camera he could always break out!

[@jameslane3846]

@@Fnzzy that's true! But it can break! I'm happy with my RB67 - chose it over the RZ67! I'm pretty sure I am one of only two British landscape photographers that use a RB67 😂

[@arianzaw7187]

I get annoyed when u leave ur camera bag open on the wet floor when u shoot

[@jeffissimo1221]

I've been shooting with Canon since 1995... yes film. What is important to remember here is that no one manufacturer remains on top for long and certainly not forever. In the 80s and 90s, everyone was fawning over Nikon. Then Canon revolutionized the industry with its EOS autofocus system. The Nikon guys dismissed it. Eventually Nikon had to admit defeat and change their lens/camera body interface. Nikon then built a marketing campaign around their glass. Canon upped the ante with fluorite lens elements. I'm not going to go through the entire back and forth history of innovation between the two, but my point is that like the tides, the market share, advancements, and performance ebb and flow. Look at the replacement schedule of these cameras. Consumer models by Canon change every year. Prosumer models tend to be on a 18 month schedule. Pro bodies are on 5 yr schedules. These are not long term commitments. Then, look at the lenses. The lenses are where the commitment is. Canon's lenses are on what seems to be about 10 yr schedules. We need to evaluate "what works for us" on the system level, not a particular camera body. I understand the desire for something big, bold, and revolutionary. We all love something new and exciting. However, consider this... aren't we also happy with stability? We have comfort in knowing what to expect from our gear. Knowing what to expect and knowing the gear is what allows for a successful photograph and ultimately a successful career. There's more to this than simply a body or two.

[@fredvanleeuwen]

I completely get where you're coming from. I've been shooting with the Canon 5D Mark II for the last decade and only now am I finally looking at upgrading. I had the exact same thoughts about the Canon mirrorless after shooting a gig with the 5D Mark IV, but I've completely changed my mind and opted for a Sony A7R III/A7 III with Metabones adaptor to still use my Canon lenses. Thanks for the great review, I feel less alone in this chaotic world of camera reviews now. I hope to see a Sony review from you before I go ahead and make my final purchase. Keep up the great vlogs and landscape work!

[@p97dav45]

My 5d mkii took a 2 meter dive a few weeks ago onto concrete. Before that, I hadn't seen anything from Canon worth the upgrade.

[@subcinctus]

The Image Engineer don’t go for adaptors, I’ve seen that they mess with the focus at any given aperture and really messes with the eye AF which is one of the most talked about feature they have

[@makalu69]

Just added a D850 to my existing D810 - both are stunning...

[@martinsmyth5580]

Fuji GFX is the way to go

[@MotoRich900]

I'd take the Pentax 645z over any Fuji any day of the week

[@njrtech]

Fuji GFX is damn nice BUT you will spend a hell of a lot more money once you account for glass. And not many lenses just yet

[@danlovaj]

madmaxx72 not if one is lucky to get the 45mm, 63mm, 32-64mm glass for 1.5k USD total. 😉

[@ColinRobertson_LLAP]

I thought so too, but I was surprised to see that most of the GF lenses are in the same ballpark as good L glass from Canon-$2k. @@njrtech

[@martinsmyth5580]

Enrico Forlini I love my Pentax and have tested the Fuji witch I will buy.From my tests Fuji wins hands down.But that’s just my opinion everyone has a different view on things.

[@heartshapedfilms]

I understand where your coming from, yet as someone who works in a camera store I doubt I’d really sell you on this camera. As your needs are something different and more niche than most. More the 5Dsr but again doesn’t really improve what you have overall other than res. Canon has very clearly made a statement about the RF Glass though 28-70 f2, the 50mm 1.2 the 35 1.8 just insane lenses for sharpness and speed. I would say for most people (myself included) that a single card slot is fine, even for professional work (haven’t had a SD card go down on me) but I get it as a more professional you want the security there, I’d wait and see. What canon did with the 5D II, was and is a outlier in the industry it was also 18 months old when the manual video feature was added. But other features on the EOS R have got me just simply the shutter closing to protect the sensor when in adverse weather while changing lenses (like you where in the video) is a game changer other companies may have to look at that cos if you had changed a lease when the weather is shit you’d probably have a lot of time cleaning it in post and potentially damaging the cameras sensors. Also I am not bashing other brands just my perspective!

[@dustinroberts5826]

I love my Canon EOS R...

[@phatcrayonz]

so do i. I have used mine for 7 months and its my favorite camera I have ever known. but to each his own.

[@carrieannkouri2151]

I love mine, as well. The only bit I'm not truly happy is the lenses are chunky and heavy.

[@santanuchanda]

I think once we start admiring the camera we use it doesn't make sense to really care about what the specs expert say. It's a bond between the user and the machine that is unique. EOS R doesn't have killer specs but it is a gem if you know it's capabilities.

[@christopherstrong3180]

I really want to see what you'd do with a Fujifilm GFX 50(S or R)

[@stinn]

He had a 50S in the past, I can't remember the circumstances but I can remember the photo. I too think that would be the camera to go for.

[@jbairdexp]

You're a brave man Thomas... this video is sure to fire up the camera gear trolls! That aside, I generally agree with what you say. I felt the same way about the Nikon Z offerings. However, I'm super happy with the D850 so not in the market to change.....yet. Will be really interested to watch your journey to find a new camera. 👍

[@TheTomm101]

Had my d750 for year and a half absolutley love it, built in wifi is a treat too

[@AndreasLarzon]

Hi Julian. Yes, the Z would be more of a sideways step from a D850. Z7 is much better at video than the D850 of course but the stills for landscape are kinda similar between the two. But I would guess you would still take those amazing pics you do even if you had the Z. Cheers

[@jbairdexp]

Thanks Andreas 👍 Like Thomas said, it's not that the R (or Z) are in anyway bad cameras - you would still be able to take awesome pictures with them - they just are the game changers some people were expecting. Still, it's great to see the camera market so alive at the moment. 😃

[@AndreasLarzon]

​@@jbairdexp Yes its great times with many new products to choose from. And we all ocasionally get effected by the GAS (Gear aqusition syndrom). :D At the end of the day its kinda fun to dream about new shiny things. But will it make your life better? Maybe, maybe not. Does the decision always need to be routed in logic? Probably not because emotion is sometimes also a good deciding factor... :D If all photographers were basicly Vulcans (a logic driven rase in Star Trek) then we would have wery boring forums and product launches. So maybe it should be like in golf. If you buy a new driver you will most defenetly be a mutch better golfer then before. I practiced that alot... :D

[@weschilton]

The only thing that matters is, does a different camera give you better images? If no one can tell the difference then you’ve wasted money selling all your gear and buying all new gear. 75mp would be nice... medium format would be nice to try, especially for landscapes! Good luck in your search!

[@butchjohnson9736]

I was thinking the same. Nobody will be able to tell a difference. These cameras are so similar these days, the difference will be tiny.

[@thestevewood]

I think the idea that "gear doesn't matter" is only half true. Things like focus accuracy, dynamic range and sharper images, definitely does contribute to better pictures. Especially if you don't always get it right hundred percent when you take the shot. As you know from watching this channel, sometimes you only have a minute or two while the light is exactly right to take the shot. After that the shot is gone. What if the composition wasn't perfect? What if the exposure was not 100% right, and the clouds are clipping? And you can't always come back in a weeks time because plane tickets are booked, calendar entries were made. Imagine taking a wider 180 megapixel image, with insane dynamic range, and crisp sharp from edge to edge? There you have a hundred different compositions simply by cropping in, with five or six different exposures because you have insane dynamic range. An absolute dream in post. And in those specific scenarios, a better camera can be the difference between getting the image or not. Especially if you can re-adjust your composition and exposure in post. But I do agree that for most people in most scenarios, the camera will make absolutely no difference. I think it has to do with the type of images that Thomas takes. So specifically for Thomas and landscape photography, it might actually make a difference.

[@scriptosaurusrex]

I think user enjoyment is a huge factor too. Have you ever owned something and wanted to replace it 'just because'? It is super common with guitarists and guitars for example (granted you don't need to buy a new amp and pedals if you switch to another brand, like you would need new lenses but you know what I mean). I would argue that it doesn't matter if the audience notices a difference, unless it is a dramatic difference. If he enjoys a different system more or just fancies a change, that's a good enough reason to switch. I also suspect he might switch to nikon, for basically that reason. The sonies are great, but so are the Nikons (except mirrorless af, which is still good - just not great). However, the user experience is as good as Canon - sony is pretty terrible to use and very unintuitive.

[@andrekaled]

Photography is all about freezing the moment in the way you want. If a faster and more accurate focus or anything else can help you, it can be the difference between taking the shot you want or loosing it. The buttons, the easy to change settings and the specs matters, even though what makes a image good is a good photographer behind the camera, a good camera can help the photographer getting even better photos. Time counts

[@weschilton]

@@thestevewood but in this case none of that is relevant because Thomas doesn't have any issues with focus or dynamic range... and all of the top cameras available, including the 5DMkIV are withing ONE STOP of each other... which is pretty much irrelevant in reality. Everything you are talking about could just as easily apply to film cameras, and no one ever had discussions like this back then. Cameras are tools, not nannies that have to watch over us and take care of our mistakes.

[@DuckMisty]

EOS R is Canon's "test the market" camera. It was never intended to be an upgrade from the 5D4. Far from it. It's intended as an upgrade from the 6D2. Hopefully their next mirrorless offerings will take into account all the feedback they've had from it.

[@MrYd108]

Thomas i know you said in your later videos gear doesnt matter, but still i wonder why you didnt get the canon 5dsr?

[@jtana_omg]

He's a landscape photographer. 5Dsr is a step backwards in terms of DR compared to his existing 5Div.

[@sonnyzin2063]

I wonder what would Ansel Adams say about this EOS-R camera.

[@stuartschaffner9744]

Sonny, I think Ansel Adams would be ecstatic about cameras that had 15 stops of dynamic range, sharp lenses with extremely low flare, and above all Photoshop. The ability to have selection masks that one could paint on using a digital paintbrush would have saved him immense amounts of time in post processing. I’ll bet he would be extremely skeptical that a squinchy little 24x36mm sensor could produce a sharp image, so he would go immediately to medium format. I suspect that he would eventually realize that full-frame sensors really were more than enough. He would then gravitate to a D850 so he could take even more audacious hikes to good vantage points.

[@wolfganghorinek4275]

I would have a look and goes out shooting with his new Fujifilm GFX 50R😊

[@dukenukem5768]

He would have a medium format digital camera, Phase One probably.

[@MrJordanSDean]

I have some suggestions: Sony A7R III, Nikon Z7. There really aren't any other 'better' options than your 5D IV. Source: I work in a camera store.

[@Coleisick]

Jordan Stanhope Dean medium format bruh

[@johnwullschleger4351]

How about as an upgrade to a 5dii?

[@Caracalaba]

John Wullschleger mine stills rocking. Every new camera I try looks more "digital" and boring

[@jdpst20]

@@Caracalaba I think the Mark iii is still a fantastic camera for anyone trying to just getting into photography or wants a second camera to bash around. I got mine for a pretty good deal and it was always in my truck ready to go and I never worried about bashing it and the photos always turned out great. I since then upgraded to the 1DXii for video and stuff, but the 5diii still has a piece in my heart.

[@johnsmith1474]

Get a 5DIV. Same sensor, carry on.

[@dzsemx]

I bought last year a 5D, the original one, just for fun. Best "upgrade" ever. Fantastic results with C1 (and terrible with LR)

[@johnsmith1474]

And get it used to save $$, and have the seller use "shuttercount" from Dire Software (a couple bucks) so you know how much use it has. Heaton proves a used 5DIV is as good as a new one. If you find one near you via Ebay, do a private sale (breaking a rule oh no!) and get the price down by the cost of the Ebay fees (15%) in exchange for cash in hand. I sold my 5DII last year for $900 via ebay with 5000 shots on it. The 5DIV is actually more waterproof than an R, a 5D3 is not as good a sensor.

[@huwmorgan51]

Thomas, as a Sony A7RIII shooter, here is my recommendation: from seeing how you work, you should be looking for a SYSTEM that offers you a) high resolution, b) high dynamic range, c) portability, d) durability and e) reasonable cost. Your current Canon 5dIV/Canon lens system is a middling solution: a 30 mpx sensor that has mediocre dynamic range, and is a bit clunky and heavy. EF lenses, particularly primes, are getting long in the tooth and have now been superseded by RF lenses so further development of EF lenses is questionable. If you stay with Canon, you'll need to be patient and wait for the next shoe to drop. There may be a 5ds replacement coming with an R mount. The sensor will have high resolution, but will it have high dynamic range? The R lenses are brilliant, but can you wait years for them to be introduced and can you afford them? The R lenses are also going to be big and heavy. The 50mm F1.2 weighs 2 pounds! If you move to Sony, you'll get a boost in resolution and dynamic range. The camera is compact, but the lenses are generally not (although they are much lighter than R mount). There are much better lenses available for Sony than in the Canon EF system although you'll have to reach deep into your pockets. With the recent firmware release, you can definitely stick with EF lenses and use a converter with no loss of function. Durability is a question mark, although I've had no issues. If you move to Nikon, you'll need to move to the R7 because you don't want to be limited to legacy lenses. The R7 has some durability issues (weather sealing and single card slot). It is fine ergonomically and has Sony-level resolution and dynamic range. Nikon lenses, especially primes are due for a refresh, but you'll have to wait for the Z mount lenses to fill out. Panasonic/Leica will have some interesting gear in L mount, but you'll need to be patient as their lens offerings fill out. You will need deep pockets to afford this system. If you move to medium format (e.g. Fuji), you'll have a larger outlay for a camera with fantastic resolution and good dynamic range. The camera is probably comparable to the Sony and Nikon in terms of weather sealing. Lenses are going to be problematic. They are large, heavy and very expensive. The selection is limited. In summary, lenses are a huge factor. I didn't hear you talk about RF lenses at all, but you should be focused on glass. If you switch to another brand, you'll need to adopt mirrorless to take advantage of new lenses that will be much better (but more expensive) than current lenses. If that was a D850 that you had blurred out, you should think twice of moving to another brand's DSLR. The lenses are orphaned. All new development will be in R-mount, e-mount, L-mount or Z-mount.

[@marcelmuttner]

Huw Morgan Sony fanboy?

[@JoutsideTO]

Hahaha... lenses are the weakness in the Canon system? You’re killing me.

[@smirkingdevil]

Good luck finding your new camera! I hope it is a fun journey and look forward to see what you decide.

[@tmeekins42]

We (landscape photographers) need more honest reviews like yours. I have NO interest in the video capabilities, and I'm so tired of "photography" sites spending 75% of the review talking about the video. I don't give a s***t. Does it take a good photo? Does it have features to help me improve my photography? Is it a step up or down from my current camera? That's what I want to know.

[@21stcenturybohemian]

I felt much the same way about Pentax as you feel about your Canon. But, it was starting to look like they were going to be stuck in DSLR mode for a while yet, especially in their medium format, and I am no longer interested in big, heavy, noisy, complicated cameras. I wanted mirrorless, and like many others before me, I chose Sony. I started small with their NEX APS-C series, and then moved up to the A7m2. I have to say that every time I pick up a Nikon, Canon, or Pentax today, I am left wanting my Sony back immediately. I do not know what it is, but there is just something fundamentally right for me with the Sony system. It works as I do. And they look great too. Very clean and retro-modern. Canon has not updated the style of their gear in 2 decades and it shows. They look old.

[@rumporridge1]

Old still works. And works in spades.

[@alejandro_mery]

please give a try to the GFX 50R =)

[@Topsyrm]

The 50R is not the camera for landscapes, that accolade goes to the 50S for Fuji.

[@DavidJFulde]

@@Topsyrm They have the same internals. It's really all about which ergonomics you like more. The 50R is much smaller/lighter so it lends better to landscapes

[@Topsyrm]

@@DavidJFulde Sorry David but I disagree. I use my 50S exclusively for landscapes and here's why I disagree, 1. The screen on the S tilts in 2 directions the R only 1. 2. The S has the option of the tilt swivel adapter for the EVF which makes composing easier. 3. You can change the battery in the S whilst it is on the tripod, you can't on the R. I guess you will say that is all ergonomics but in the field ergonomics do count.

[@DavidJFulde]

@@Topsyrm very very good points! Thanks for the extra insight!

[@alejandro_mery]

@@Topsyrm thank you for the explanation

[@h-engelien1232]

As a landscape and timelapse photographer i would claim there's only 3 options today: Nikon D850, Nikon Z7 or Sony A7R3. All three of them vastly superior to what Canon has to offer (from a landscape photographer perspective); high megapixel and great dynamic range. Canon's sensors are just so crap compared to the competition. Several years behind. Oh, and get the Fujifilm X-T3 or Sony A73 for vlogging. Landscape: Nikon D850, Nikon Z7 or Sony A7R3 Vlogs: Fujifilm X-T3 or Sony A73

[@AlumarsX]

Fuji doesn't quite have a good set of video lenses yet. Most of them lack IS.

[@Murvalous]

Even the standard a7iii I think is a good candidate

[@johnvr1]

There was and is the 5DSR. Long wondered why Thomas didn’t shoot with that one.

[@foresterphotography6870]

@@johnvr1 It's got resolution but way worse DR than Nikon and Sony, it's also Canon's older sensor so would be a step down (or at least a sidestep) compared to the 5D IV.

[@Faded.Visuals]

Omar Carrasquillo the Fuji XH1? That has built in image stabilization, right?

[@will2steel303]

Mr. Thomas Heaton, I'm curious to know why you want to get rid of your 5D mark 4? What are you looking for in your next camera?

[@andrewford80]

Seems like you do pretty good work with the 5D4. Do you reckon you'd sell more prints with a different brand/model? Does the 5D4 hold you back? Serious question. I have a 7D and I really don't like it at all. I can't justify anything new at the moment but I'm by no means a canon fanboy. Do you really think you will do better work with a different camera or are you just looking for a change?

[@smaruzzi]

Hey Thomas, even though I'm a quite untalented hobbyist, I tend to disagree with your review. The EOS R is a spectacular PROSUMER camera. Many professional reviewers criticized the ergonomics, but - IMHO - once you get used to it you consider the old user interface (Canon 5d Mark iv and 1 D x Mark ii) quite obsolete. My only "critique" is the price point, way too high compared to other alternatives in the same mirrorless segment. What is truly inspiring about the new R system are the opportunities offered in the form. of new, more advanced and sophisticated lenses. I personally love the RF 1.2 50mm, and expect more new lenses to come in 2019 to work with professional R bodies. Best, Stefano

[@SavageCreates]

I am on pins-and-needles waiting to hear what you are switching to. I had such high hopes for the EOS R and am so disappointed. It is so hard to look at all the recent camera and video advancement and find Canon lacking in technology. Over 20 years as a firm Canon shooter, and now... well.... it is hard to not look so longingly at the Sony A7r iii and all their amazing G Master and Zeiss options. I doubt I can wait to hear where you land, but I think it's off to Sony I go.

[@dukenukem5768]

I bet it is a Sony - as part of their huge marketing push. But beware that Sony could be the next to quit cameras as the market implodes, as quickly as they bought into it when it was booming (in 2006). Because they are a consumer company and will follow the fashion to wherever the most money is to be made. They have no roots in cameras, not like Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Fuji & co.

[@hilarywhite0]

I think you would get on very well with the Nikon D850! It really is awesome!

[@VictorZubakin]

So Thomas, I'm just curious. What's wrong with the 5DIV? Seems like a pretty damn good camera. What doesn't it do that other cameras out there will? Need more megapixels for big prints?

[@ErlendGrseth]

Remember, before the 5D mark II there was a 5D mark I. What you have in your hands in this video could be the mirrorless mark I. Thanks for an amazing YT channel. Cheers.

[@timelord2222]

Don't you have the 5D4 as your daily driver? Why switching the entire brand, what's wrong with 5D4?

[@RichFreeman]

I'm not really sure why you'd really consider any camera as an upgrade to another recent camera. It doesn't seem to me like they change THAT much. The EOS R was above my price range, but otherwise I'd have considered it as an upgrade, but my current upgrade is over a decade old. Sure, I do care about WHICH recent camera to get, but ultimately any of them are going to be upgrade and I'm more concerned with which is the best fit for me and not whether a manfacturer dared to release two cameras within a year or so where one isn't a complete revolution on top of the other. I ended up getting a 6D Mark 2 for $950. My original plan was going to be an M50 but I just couldn't turn down the sale. On a side note, so many reviews are unhelpful. At least this one was somewhat practical but so many focus on features I'll never use. Or they compare completely different vendors and I'm not about to toss all the stuff I have just because this year one manufacturer came out with a slightly better model. Canon would have to turn out flop after flop for years before I'd switch brands. Same would be true if I had gone with Nikon. I looked at the others but it seems like the selection of accessories is much weaker. Does Fujifilm even make a TTL flash?

[@fantomfoto]

If you were closer I'd be happy to lend you my A7Riii to shoot with. I shot Canon for years and was disappointed over and over with each new camera release. The main thing I love about the A7Riii for landscapes and as a camera in general is 42mp with no anti aliasing filter which so many people overlook but is incredibly important for landscapes to pull out all the intricate detail in an image, also the dynamic range is amazing and Sony as well as Zeiss and others make some incredibly sharp glass for it. Plus of course dual card slots and it's relatively small. The only thing I'd say took me awhile to learn was the controls and menu system, it's not intuitive at all at first but like anything else, eventually you learn your way around and it becomes an easy camera to shoot with. If I wasn't shooting Sony and had the budget I'd consider going medium format on Fuji but I'm so happy with the A7Riii I can't see changing systems again for quite awhile. There's also rumors Sony may come out with an even higher megapixel beast in the next year or two. Check out Dan Ballards video for switching to the A7Riii from a landscape photographers perspective. Cheers! kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXPUl2iYnqd9obM

[@chriscarroll6447]

With the new native lenses sony/zeiss/sigma and fixes they implemented from the RII to the RIII, the Sony A7riii should for sure be on his list to try.

[@stevemckenzie4731]

Well said. Despite all the negative chatter about ergonomics and menus, I love that with my Sony I can adjust exposure on the fly without taking my eye from the viewfinder and see exactly what effect the change will have on the image. Can also adjust ISO and focus in the same way. The menus are completely fine once you're used to them.

[@Legionere]

I switched from Canon to Sony over the summer. Not regretting that decision one bit.

[@filipjereb9898]

Did you try and use Canon lenses on the Sony, I'm considering the change but I only have the money for the body.

[@subcinctus]

Filip Jereb go for a second hand A7rIII, with the oncoming the A7rIV the prices will drop. But a second hand bundle with a Zeiss or G master bundle because that glass is so sharp, it cannot be matched by another lens they’re doing a phenomenal. Just a tip, if you have a friend in India or Japan ask him/her to buy it for you because the second hand rates there are almost 50 percent cheaper.

[@subcinctus]

Filip Jereb and don’t go for adapted lenses, they create problems for the autofocus and also the EYE AF doesn’t work that well which is actually one of the best feature it offers.

[@filipjereb9898]

@@subcinctus okay, thanks :)

[@SANDERVANDERVEEN_]

Same here, just a few weeks now. No regret at all! using some canon glass, sigma and sony now. Happy times!

[@ScottEmmick]

I totally understand the reluctance to get "technical" Thomas, but you always bring sincerity and sensitivity to the table - sprinkled around your brilliant sense of humor of course - and this is one of the funniest videos you've posted. All of that aside, you really nail the issue. As a former Canon shooter, I too remember the magical days when the 5Dmkii hit the market. It WAS a revolution. And while I haven't shot with the R, I too hoped Canon was bringing back the magic. I love my current rig, but I WILL say it's hard to re-kindle that intimate relationship I once had with my 5dmkii... or even my 5dmkiii. I'm not that sensitive, but oh how I still miss their sensors.

[@RodrigoPolo]

I have the Canon 5D Mark IV and the Canon EOS R and I can tell for sure that the EOS R is sharper, it has a curve on learning the controls, but it is sharper.

[@kingofbratz3626]

Same boat. Please try the A7R3 and do a review! Please!

[@martindalpe.photography]

we often upgrade camera cause our current camera is more limited than our creativity.... can you explain on what aspect of the 5D mark IV that is holding your creativity potentiel ? when I listen to this video, it seem only megapixel is holding you , is that the case ? or other aspect you wish for more "Power" , thanks . ( sorry for my poor english, I'm french canadien... no one's perfect . ;) )

[@marcd7332]

The weight of the 5D is the only thing that I can think of

[@EdHunter55]

@@marcd7332 because a 5d body is so heavy when compared to lenses, tripod, backpack plus accessories. you obviously are greatly benefitting by switching camera body just to save 150grams.

[@marcd7332]

Ed Hunter Lol chill you missed the point of my comment

[@TL-xw6fh]

It's the herd mentality unfortunately. Manufacturers and retailers all want us to think that and it is forced upon us that we "must" change because they have the 'latest and greatest'. Unfortunately, the vast majority of photographers have more money than common sense.

[@shaunharrison4457]

@@TL-xw6fh well said

[@stuartbaines2843]

How many pixels do you actually need ? I am shooting with 16mp and this has printed to 35x24 inches

[@russxplore2317]

If you have really nice and sharp glass, the cropping capabilities are endless with higher pixel count units.

[@stuartschaffner9744]

Sorry for the math. If you print at 250 dpi, then the answer is 54 megapixels for a 24x36” print, IF the camera image is perfectly sharp. The problem is that, as far as I can tell, most camera images aren’t even remotely using the full resolution of a modern digital sensor. Do some pixel peeping on an image you took of what you consider a sharp edge. I’ll bet it extends at least two pixels. That means that a single point of light would cover a circle about 4 pixels in diameter. This is often called the blur spot diameter. Very roughly, the effective resolution of the raw image in such a case would be 1/4 the pixel count, so for the 24x36 print you would only need about 14 mp. Hence, with the right lens, S Barnes’s 16 mp sensor should be just fine. Just how blurry are most sensor images? Well, my depth of field app assumes a blur spot diameter of 30 um for a full-frame sensor. That works out to an effective pixel count of roughly 1 megapixel! If you set the blur spot to about 5 micrometers, roughly the pixel stride of modern sensors, you will find that diffraction blur begins to dominate. Try to do landscape photography where you can’t stop a lens down smaller than f/2.8. To me, this is a good indication that people may be wasting a lot of money by chasing megapixels. Again, sorry for the math.

[@paulsylvia2405]

For an amateur photographer using Canon since 1973 and looking to move up from a T6i the EOS R is an amazing camera. I really believe the future EOS line will blow away where the line is right now, especially the lenses. The direction change to the lens mount will carry the brand into a level the competition can’t achieve. The R, from my perspective, is not the camera replacing the 5D but just a first step in what is to come in the near future.

[@dollypix]

Hi Thomas, what is it that you don't get out of your 5Dmk4 ( anymore ) that you're looking for in other cameras? More dynamic range? Less noise? Or is it just GAS?

[@akis285]

The D850 is the perfect full frame landscape camera. The lenses are there, it has iso 64, 45mp sensor with amazing dynamic range!

[@scriptosaurusrex]

Heck, iso 32 in a 'I forgot my filters but need more than two seconds' pinch.

[@merlinalfonso6374]

Exactly. D850 is perfect for landscape.

[@eliasalerno8942]

Finally somebody that does not talk about video shit and "vlog" whatever. I love your videos! Thank you so much, this is really refreshing.

[@RevanDarkStar]

Elia Salerno True! Today cameras are reviewed on their video and portrait photography capabilities. You don’t find a lot of landscape photography reviews

[@dukenukem5768]

Trouble is many KZbinrs get distracted into video tech because they spend a lot of time doing .. er .. videos. And we always get clowns in the comments demanding to know about the tech used for the video even when the subject is landscape or portrait stills, and there are millions of other Vlogs about video advice they could go and look at.

[@sebastienlecalvez4369]

Sony A7rIII, Nikon D850 or Fuji GFX 50s. those are the top landscape photography cameras of today. Pricewise, Fuji is twice the price so I'd go for D850 or Sony. Either or.

[@cxlosdc333]

Sebastien Le Calvez 50r is same price as the d850

[@AndreasLarzon]

@@cxlosdc333 its not.. he is correct I just made a comparison. The lenses are super expensive and you can mostly only get primes. GFX aren't ready yet lens vise.

[@petrub27]

nah, you do not move from canon to nikon

[@paultaylor5513]

@@AndreasLarzon as an MF system it has a decent set of lenses. MF doesn't have many lenses because it has a more specialised role.

[@scriptosaurusrex]

@@petrub27 Why not?

[@TomLally]

Great to see you again Tom. Not been on KZbin for awhile now. Lovely video and information. Happy shooting.

[@alexlee325]

Thomas, you ever shoot 4x5” or 8x10” sheet film? There are clear advantages to shooting large format film for landscape - which includes infinite focus (foreground to background using tilt shift).

[@PereaPhotography]

Tom, did I spy that blurry camera as a Nikon.... possibly the d850?? Welcome to the good side 😂 seriously though I’m looking forward to your decision. I owned a Sony for a bit, and I’d never give up the d850 for landscapes. It’s a beast! Sold the sony a7iii and now have the z6 for vlogs and timelapses, with the d850 for landscapes. Happy about the decision! Best of luck on your search!

[@PereaPhotography]

d1kiz not sure exactly. When he picked up the blurred out camera talking about trying out different ones, that looks like a Nikon to me

[@foresterphotography6870]

Looks like a Nikon to me as well. Tom if you try the D850 just make sure to not use the 16-35. I'd recommend the 14-24, Tamron 15-30 or 17-35 instead. 16-35 was weak corners, Canon's version is clearly better. The Nikkor 70-200 f4 is amazing though.

[@BLiu1]

@@d1kiz 10:54 is the timestamp

[@vicentele1va]

@@PereaPhotography definitely, the red thing, size and the white letters, and i would risk to say with a 24 70

[@Cesar-ht5uz]

@@foresterphotography6870 give a try to the new tamron 70-210 f4

[@sergtrav]

Landscapes, tripod, no autofocus, no evf, no ovf, no video. You definitely need a new camera.

[@YARvisuals]

A sony))

[@AndreasLarzon]

@@YARvisuals whatever he chooses the pictures will remain the same... :D

[@rafarodrigues7109]

the tea

[@manuthchek]

I guess the Alpa camera is the answer 😂 You even cock the shutter (in the lens) every time you want to take a shot.

[@ollielane656]

the camera he blurred was a nikon

[@914bub]

d850

[@Potato-adept]

D850 for sure

[@stuartschaffner9744]

I have no idea, but I was a Nikon shooter through the 1960’s and 70’s and I have fond memories. Everyone I know who does what Thomas does says the D850 is super and even keeps up with the capabilities of the best mirrorless cameras, other than the weight and bulk. A young fella like Thomas should not find that a disadvantage.

[@BLiu1]

10:54 is the timestamp

[@914bub]

@@stuartschaffner9744 Yea in my opinion, the D850 is the best DSLR ever made.

[@jean-charles9931]

Hi Thomas, two comments that you already have in mind I guess: 1) Better wait for the release of Panasonic S1R, April or later. They are usually good at producing clever bodies. 2) Think about the lenses. Nikon Z + 14-30 f/4 + 24-70 f/4 + 70-200 f/4 with ring = winning combo. If you choose other brand than Canikon, how much time will you have to wait for good glass? Or would you sell your shirt to get Leica L-mount?

[@wikedwhich1]

what do you think now Tom?...with the new mirrorless canon camera?

[@derekmidgley]

Be sure to test a D850. When you do, shoot at ISO64, expose for the highlights and just bring up the shadows with Lightroom. Almost no need for graduated filters. It might change everything :-)

[@huwmorgan51]

The D850 is obsolete. All the new glass is going to be z-mount.

[@ceciliaandemilia]

@@huwmorgan51 ROFL!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all year!!

[@WuschelofDespair]

ceciliaandemilia he‘s right. It’s an amazing amazing camera which can still be used for years BUT you‘re buying into a most likely dying system

[@merlinalfonso6374]

Of course, the D850 would be absolutely awesome.

[@ceciliaandemilia]

@@WuschelofDespair There are no decent native Z lenses yet and you have to pay for the adaptor, which also has problems for many adopters. D850 seems a better choice right now. I've gone Sony but I was almost going for D850 or Fuji GFX, Sony just pipped it by a tiny margin based on 2nd hand pricing, IQ, eye AF. Had to compromise on sealing though. But I never put my camera on the ground when it's wet!

[@maxbridge8921]

I was Canon (still shoot with lots of Canons when I freelance), then I moved to Nikon, now I shoot Sony. Loved them all for different reasons but the Sony A7R III is my favorite. Not sure how the weather sealing is for Landscapes but it holds up well for me in the studio. Give it a go!

[@Spazza42]

30mpx is the perfect “compromise” in my mind. No one really needs any more than that. If you can’t take a good shot with a 5Dm4 or EOS R then the problem isn’t the camera, it’s the person behind the camera. People get wrapped up in the hype and marketing/review buzz whenever a new camera body comes out. Results matter and as long as you can get reliable shots that’s what matters. The EOS R is just a mirrorless 5D4 and the 5D4 is the perfect all rounder camera. If you’re happy with how it functions then stick with it. Photography is about going out and taking photos, the kit doesn’t really matter. Obviously having equipment that inspires you will always help, but knowing your camera is better because you’ll get better results. The EOS R is the sidestep into mirrorless and for the lenses alone I’d say that mirrorless is better.

[@hillelbrandes1488]

Thomas, I don't recall you saying why the 5D mk IV needs replaced. Can you say more?

[@davemenard5089]

So what’s wrong with your camera?

[@paulgerard4222]

Honestly, I value this “review” most out of any review on KZbin. Because of the honesty. I also love to shoot landscape and learning in that area. It’s good to know that I shouldn’t choose this as my next camera, because I was thinking of it. Very nice video, I value it very much. Thank you for this!

[@michaeldande]

Canon had this 1 chance to shine over all the mirroless, i mean they already saw the SHIFT TO SONY HAPPENING, they saw what Canon SONY shifter DID NOT lIKE ABOUT sony, They saw what Nikon made, Then they Decide to Bring this to compete, AM OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP TO, aCTUALLY this camera made me make my move happy with SONY a9 now and a7iii

[@subcinctus]

Michael Dande Canon does not plan to rule the camera market as much as it’s camera production team does. They’ll try to become sigma by just producing lenses soon. There have been many official announcements and canon says that they’re cutting over 20% production in camera development as they haven’t been earning a lot, they’re gonna spend more on things like printers as they feel like they have a better monopoly in the market. Sony on the other hand is going full force and I just love what they’re doing and am about to shift to Sony, I’ve been a canon guy for six or seven years but Sony is like that one guy you can’t hate.

[@mahidoes]

In my opinion When you shoot RAW there is no need to talk about colour. If you want mirrorless and full frame you'd go with Sony if you want APS-C you'll go with Fuji. If you want MFT there are pany oly. My problem with Canon Nikon mirrorless are simply they don't have native lenses many photographer want. I don't see any point in using adopters when their DSLRs work. If you want canon mirrorless you'd use 5d mark iv and wait, Nikon users will keep using D850 and wait. My quick points Sony FE One and only complete full frame system available with capable focusing and there isn't much to complain. Fuji X Amazing system and complete. But it's APS-C. Some people also dislike it's X-Trans sensor when working with Adobe Raw editing. But personally I didn't have any issues. Now incomplete ones without enough lenses. Canon: The unprecedented lense 24-70 f/2 . Let's say you are a travel photographer and If you can manage with just that lens, nothing wrong in buying it. They also have amazing 35mm f/1.8 macro lens. Nikon. Carry D850 like amazing sensor. Great grip. Ps: many people pay little attention to lens selection. Other things are equally important but I always start with lens selection because these are interchangeable LENS cameras

[@chriscarroll6447]

"when you shoot raw there is no need to talk about colour"..... dude that's not how color science works in sensors.

[@johnsmith1474]

@@chriscarroll6447 "Color science" is bunk re the major brands in RAW. See Tony Northrup recent report if you like.

[@johnsmith1474]

You seem to not understand where you are, the channel is Thomas Heaton not that goof with the bad afro.

[@hw-foto]

I am a bit puzzelt. Yes you might have expected something better, but go for 75 megapixels? Is that your desire? Will that make you photography better?

[@theyetiinoz1478]

Thanks Thomas, great review, love your honesty.

[@WelshPhotographer]

Worth looking at the Pentax K1ii 😉

[@johnsmith1474]

BINGO. Exactly.

[@WelshPhotographer]

@@itsacookie1 market dog but hidden feature packed gem in the rough that has a much more easier user interface that Canon 😂

[@johnsmith1474]

@@itsacookie1 - Insult to who? What?

[@johnsmith1474]

@@WelshPhotographer Tony Northrup called it the best landscape camera available and his analysis is solid.

[@petersagi275]

I really love your channel Thomas, but why the hell would You think that a camera with the 6D line's price tag would bring Canon back? If You really want to shoot Canon, wait a few months for their flagship MILC. I'm not a Canon fanboy (right now I would go for the A7R III), but leaving Canon is just not a really fair decision based on the R.

[@michael007ish]

The R still shows Canon's inability to bring a forward thinking camera to market and still plays catch up.

[@LUKAMATKOVIC_]

I mean..that's exactly what sony has done with the a7iii.A killer camera for less than $2000.They didn't release a camera with specs from 6 years ago just so you would wait for a high end model one. And yeah, the fact the eos r kit becomes over $3000 is just crazy

[@MrGarzog]

@@michael007ish Disagree, i think they have the technology for bringing something on the level of the A7R III, but they don´t want to butcher their DSLR lines completly with their first FF mirrorless, especially since first models often suffer from problems unheard of in future ones (i count the touch bar to these). I guess the EOS R is showing the fans of the 5D IV that Canon can do the same without a mirror. The next models will have something to step up the game. The lenses already showed a unique feature noone else has, so why shouldn´t the cameras that don´t need to be developed in regard to existing models competing in the same sector by the same company

[@michael007ish]

MrGarzog They’ve butchered their line up for years not innovating. Every release including the 6D for example. They took a camera that had so much excitement for the Mkll and came out with what? Nobody I knew that had the 6D upgraded.

[@scottmilholland176]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You asked who this camera is for and I can answer that as an owner of one. My wife and I started our own photography business. We have been using a canon 70d that we love but we have grown enough to justify an upgrade to full frame. We were looking at the 5d IV but here in the US (before it went on sale) it was $1000 more than the EOS R and even with the sale now it is $500 more than the R. This let's us get (roughly) 5d results for quite a bit less and gives us access to the new RF lenses as well as our old EF-s lenses for video (we do both photo and video work). I've shot almost 3k images for clients in the 2 months we've had it and absolutely love it. We've shot several videos and it is incredible for that as well. The focus kills it and the c-log is so versatile with great dynamic range. I certainly get this is not for everyone, but as a canon user looking to bump up from a crop sensor to full frame I could not have asked for a better camera. We will upgrade to a pro body in a few years most likely but this was exactly what we wanted for in between. Just the right step up for us. I would not think anyone should side step from a 5d to this, as you said. The only time I would say that is if they do video. This thing is incredible for video if you know what you're doing and don't need to rely on 120fps to make your content interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I just wanted to share mine as someone who loves this camera and felt like Canon was reading my diary when they made this thing 😉 (I dont really keep a diary). Wishing you and your family the best. Thanks for the great content!

[@ricohact]

Scott Milholland I think you’ve nailed it, Canon never promoted it as a pro camera. I also shoot with a 70D, I have had a play with the EOS-R and think it is the perfect step up into full frame. I don’t have the budget for a 5Div and all the new lenses it would require but having a full frame with the ability to use all my current EF-S, EF and L lenses flawlessly is a perfect solution. Thomas said he doesn’t know who this camera is aimed at but I think it is aimed directly at people like myself.

[@keithsandercock1412]

You've had an 18 year relationship with Canon. I have had a 60 year relationship with Nikon (starting with a pair of original Nikon F's), so I know about brand loyalty. However, my conversion to mirrorless has been to Fujifilm .... excellent cameras and terrific lenses. I still own digital Nikons and a whole slew of Nikon glass, but increasingly this gear gets left at home when I head out on a photo shoot. More than just a rumour, there is a Fujifilm GFX 100 mp in the works that might spark your interest.

[@mehmett2172]

Thomas thanks for video. Canon 6D Mark ii or Eos R?

[@EdHunter55]

"They failed to shake up the industry" I seem to remember the 7d mk.II to do just that =P

[@Photo90210]

I've been following your work on KZbin since your first videos. You have always faced hostile environments and your Canon has accompanied you and provided beautiful photos of great quality and meaning. I do not understand your disappointment with the EOS R. It's a new camera in the mirrorless segment and not an innovation before the 5D Mark IV that will remain a current camera. I do not know of any camera that exceeds 5D Mark IV mainly in the robustness and reliability with excellent image quality. I want to believe that you made this video as a marketing action and nothing else ...

[@raytaylor4199]

I don't get why you thought the eos r was going to be better than the 5dmk4, or even an upgrade, when I seen that you bought the eos r I thought you just bought it as a back up camera, or just something to mess about with

[@Pentalvers]

Hi tom, how many card slots does your hasselblad have. Just asking for a friend lol .

[@mikewinburn]

I do hope you'll be trying out all the cameras on vlog? That would be a cool series. Personally no plans to upgrade... maybe for a pro- level mirrorless in time...but enjoy your journey whichever tool you end up with!

[@DanniEfraim]

I've been a Canon shooter since I took up photography (which honestly wasn't very long ago at all - I'm very new to this). Today I actually ordered a Nikon D850 with three great lenses. I have a feeling that it will be absolutely amazing for landscape work... Great ergonomics, built like a tank, and insane detail and immense dynamic range. But I still wanted something that would work as an allround camera as well. If you're going to shoot only landscapes, nothing else, it might be worth looking at a Fuji GFX 50S or 50R. Or even the upcoming 100S. But I think the advantages of the 50S/50R compared to the cost (of the lenses in particular) don't really warrant buying it over a D850 or A7RIII. No, the D850 is my beast. I'm a bit hesitant to buy such an expensive DSLR now seeing that mirrorless is doubtlessly the future, but I think I'll be very happy with it for at least 3-5 years. I'm really looking forward to seeing your impressions of different cameras ahead. I really think the ones you should be trying are Nikon D850, Sony A7RIII, Fuji GFX 50S, and Pentax K1 Mark II. At the very least. If Canon do release a new flagship, I hope they don't focus only on insane resolution, but also improve their dynamic range *a lot*, because they're lagging behind. But for you, who already own a lot of good Canon glass, it would make sense to buy a camera like that.

[@MrNILSSTEEN]

Danni, I like your landscape camera list. I'd also add the Pentax 645Z to the mix. For landscapes, medium format glass is spectacular. The pictures on the wall look like 3:4 format rather than 2:3, so that's another one for 645. For the price, the K1ii is impossible to beat (for landscapes). Unless you have a heap of Canon L lenses of course. Thomas, you should rent a 645Z!

[@rickvestuto]

In 2019 There will be a HUGE replacement for every camera on the market.............OLYMPUS Olympus It already shoots HIGH RES 80mp Raw I can't believe you don't use them for their Awesome Lenses and IBS but also the Weatherproofing Please Wait for February 2019 for the launch of Olympus New 100 anniversary products

[@austinman1234567]

He should have coffee with @jamespopsys.

[@FrankBergdoll]

I seriously considered Olympus - they are actually quite impressive from what I saw.

[@ReflectiturPhotons]

Also moved from Canon to Olympus. Very satisfied! )

[@alangauld6079]

I'm an Olympus user and very happy with it, but I'm an enthusiast not a pro. And while MFT can compete with APS-C it doesn't really match FF and especially medium format in the low noise/high definition stakes (The Olympus HD trick is fine if nothing moves but it messes up quickly with moving subjects - like grass and trees, say). For me weight is the deciding factor but Thomas seems happy to lug heavy gear around - he's still young and fit enough! :-)

[@rickvestuto]

​@@alangauld6079 Please don't take this the wrong way As it's not meant just for you... I am so sick and tired of hearing about FF Even if you are printing "Large format prints there is still no benefit to FF (and I own a $25,000 large format printer see my KZbin Channel) My Olympus can shoot 80 MP Raw There is nothing I can do with a FF camera that I can not do with a M43 camera if you are worried about Low Light and Noise then use a Speed Booster and a FF lens but the reality is that the majority (90%) of Humans don't print LARGE FORMAT prints nor can they see grain and noise in a photo So Unless you're a professional photography you won't be able to pixel peep a picture to tell the difference All this being said....Why is everyone so stuck on FF...............FF is a fad and M43 will shine again in 2019 Best regards, Rick

[@samismyname40]

I'm upgraded or “downgraded” from 5D mark IV to Sony a7III,and I have no regrets about it! so far I think that why don't I switch sooner. Considering that you're a landscape photographer,I'm strongly recommend you to try out a7rIII :）

[@RonPlanche255]

Hi Thomas As we evolve to the 75mb mirrorless world, are we going to need to upgrade not only camera and lenses but processing, storage and vram power? Will the attendant costs be justifiable. New body, new lenses and new computer pretty soon we are talking real money. Will the new images be cost justifiable and that much better.

[@SteveSSBB]

I'd be curious to know what you find the limitations are with the 5D4 to consider moving on from it?

[@cgriggsiv]

The best camera for landscape photography is a Pentax k1 or the Pentax k1 Mark II

[@fabiengotti5718]

That was true when the K1 was released. But today the Nikon 850 or the Sony A7RIII are kinda better. Don't be wrong, I own a K1 and it's a fantastic camera for the price, but now it exist better cameras for landscape photography.

[@ioio5993]

@@@fabiengotti5718 I understand your points, but have seen some comparisons/evaluations where the Nikon 850 and the Sony A7RIII are not quite matching up. Astro is a plus, as I don't have to haul extra stuff. 36MP has nice large pixels for excellent dynamic range and image quality especially for ambient low light shooting. At 40, 50, 60 and 75MP you get into if the lenses are going to be able to adequately support the resolution. So, I'm very satisfied. I just want to go shoot wonderful images....

[@mortenthorpe]

Pentax is unfortunately a company with a very insecure future, no third party lenses made for it, and pressed against the wall by all of the successful competitors now.

[@ioio5993]

@moo Using the DXO database, the DR's in question are 14.8 vs 14.6 - so on the order of 1.3%. The difference is not significant. Just more MPs does not make a better sensor/image processing chain.

[@ioio5993]

@@mortenthorpe The Pentax is Doomed argument has been around for 20+ years. Yes, Sigma has reduced their support, Tokina is back licensing Pentax lens designs, Zeiss still offers M42 mounts, Rokinon, Samyang, Irix, etc. are offering lenses. The ICL camera market has been contracting for several years and Pentax has still made a profit. There was one year when they converted a factory from P&S to automobile cameras. Even with mirrorless, there is demand for OVF. Also, Pentax produced some mirrorless - the K-01 and the Q.

[@downwind4final]

Canon failed us. I waited for this camera and am disappointed. Just bought Sony and three lenses.

[@joelmspencer]

Canon EOS R5 says Hello o/ :D

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Your Newcastle United = my New York Mets. Once in a while, they tease you with a championship run. The rest of the time, they diddle around in mediocrity and disappoint their loyal fanbase. Canon is much the same. I was just as sure as you that Canon would blow everyone's doors off. Thankfully I have a 5DM4 (which now sells for $500 less than I paid 😑) and I'll be keeping it until they do mirrorless right. I saw that rumor too. You don't have as many lenses as some, but I'm sure you don't want to give up those Ls you have. Sony probably has best adaptability. Me, I will live in hope for a real Canon breakthrough.

[@themisterchristie]

Right there with you, in my case, Toronto Maple Leafs. They keep teasing, even making the playoffs sometimes, however they haven't won the Stanley Cup since 1967.

[@jeremychung1304]

On the full-frame sensor size, Canon said they moved to mirrorless ONLY because of the lenses possible with a short flange distance. So....did you try the new lenses?

[@scottag0]

If you're shooting full manual at optimum ISO, have you considered the Sigma sdQuattro H? :)