Ep. 097 - ELD-VT Bullets | NEW PRODUCT |

On this episode, Seth is joined by Assistant Director of Engineering, Joe Thielen, Senior Ballistician Jayden Quinlan, and Project Engineer, Miles Neville. The discussion covers our new ELD-VT bullet specifically, the design, and the application. This exciting new bullet takes our extremely low-drag match bullet shape and pairs it with the rapid fragmentation of our varmint bullets, creating a dual-purpose, long-range varmint and target bullet. By utilizing a unique core configuration, the bullets have excellent drag characteristics and exceptional terminal performance. We hope you enjoy the show.

[@DanL243]

When are these bullets actually going to be available for handloaders?

[@mrjeffjob]

The same time as the 6ARC and other released but unsupported calibers

[@Nateb2309]

I see 6arc ammo everywhere

[@userJohnSmith]

​@@mrjeffjobI have tons of 6ARC stuff. What are you talking about?

[@gonzob9609]

@@mrjeffjobIf you can't find 6mm bullets, take up playing the tuba.

[@unclebob540i3]

@@mrjeffjobnow that Starline is making brass for the ARC, availability is improving. But I get what you mean.

[@lordofthebugs]

This is exactly what I've been looking for, ever since learning about the modern high BC bullets. For terminal performance on varmints, and ricochet mitigation. Hoping to seeing a bullet in every caliber, even .510. O_o

[@NordicRifleman]

Hornady keep pushing the envelope! 🔥 Super cool to see you guys continue to innovate bullet and cartridge design 👍🏻

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Wish they would just make the stuff they make already more consistent. It's all over the place batch to batch. Sometimes especially recently even the same batch is in consistent. They been bad latley!

[@DanielReyes-hz1qk]

When will reload data for these bullets hit your app?

[@DanielReyes-hz1qk]

Been working fine for me on Android, didn't know it went down

[@johnfcronkrite]

@@bubbasreloadingadventures I logged out and back in on my iPhone and it works now.

[@davegreenleaf5272]

@@bubbasreloadingadventures I just wish it would let me reset my password but it never sends the email.

[@jonathanrogers9961]

​@@bubbasreloadingadventuresi uninstalled and reinstalled and mine works again.

[@MrTacklebury]

Sounds great for my 6.5 Grendel also. Looking forward to seeing components to try. What about the 7mm???

[@unclebob540i3]

That 100 should do real well in Grendel, still a touch on the heavy side for that little case IMO.

[@grassroots9304]

FWIW: I was using the 100gr Nosler BT for 4 years in the Grendel, night hunting hogs, coyotes, and bobcats. Fantastic bullet. I was getting 2,750 MV with those over 29.9gr of Benchmark from a 16" barrel. Maybe a bit hot but I've launched about 1k5 of them without flattened or blown primers. YMMV.

[@willo7734]

I’m finding that these ELD-VT bullets are awesome. I use them for long range target shooting and it’s nice having a lighter bullet with such a high BC.

[@hornady]

Heck yeah!

[@belindaclaytor3912]

Husband says it's about time for these ! Good deal guys .

[@benmclean2291]

Can’t see any details on B.C or recommended twist rates on your website. Will this be updated soon? Also where is the 7mm option for us .284 guys.

[@MrBoo1963]

I am now holding everything up guys. I' about to buy SS109 5.56 62gr. for reloading. I have finally found the right load for using it because Powders are hard to get.

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

Love what Hornady is doing. I honestly don’t own any guns in these new calibers but might have to. Would like to see some of these in maybe the .277 bullets if that could work, especially with some of the new faster twist barrels coming out for that projectile to run heavier bullets.

[@OlTrailDog]

As a 6ARC handloader this sounds awesome. I will look forward to giving the 80s a go. We don't have hogs around here like other areas, but I'd love to see what the 30s would do on hogs.

[@hornady]

Right on

[@Locojmo666]

These have me excited for reloading my 6arc that i am building

[@screwball191145]

What happens if you put an interlock ring in there? Could it become a hunting bullet with an explosive entry with a deep penetrating rear half?

[@unclebob540i3]

This one has got my attention. I'm running 87 VMAX out of my ARC with great success. I will try this line once they hit the shelves, but for it to be a true varmint bullet, price has to be right. All this discussion doesn't mean anything if the product is not available.

[@rustynut1967]

This sounds great for the 6 ARC. I think the 100+gr bullets are just a tad heavy for the 6 ARC in a gas gun, I get pressure signs and poor brass life getting them to a decent velocity. I have been reloading with 90gr bullets with way better results, the BC is not as good but the added velocity make up for it out to 600 yards.

[@zedoktor979]

Use a faster burning powder. You’re probably not running into pressure. More likely you are over-gassing the system with a slow burning powder

[@rustynut1967]

@@zedoktor979 Possibly, but I don't have any other signs of being over gassed like scored cases, damaged rims and the ejection is at 4 o'clock using a relatively light buffer and spring.

[@reloadrefine]

Amazing they don’t lose gyroscopic stability.. wow.. 🤯 😎😁❤️❤️‍🔥🤩

[@DavidWayne-ug1np]

Thanks for the heads up! You got my attention with the 174s in 30cal. Would you know if any of these will be heading to Australia in the near future? I'm keen to try them out and see how they shoot up around 2850... Regards Dave

[@awsomedude9111]

I'm not sure what happened to the discontinued interbond, I thought it might be the best performer. At the same time I'm glad we have a "varmint" bullet that is able to expand potentially at slower velocities. Not sure exactly what the number range is, couldn't find any data online. Ideally in the future I would like to see a SST/ELD-X version to have the lead connected better (possibly if accuracy). I would like a low velocity Copper CX bullet design for .30 cal but also 8.6/338

[@calangel]

I load for a 223 Remington (CIP spec) bolt gun and can mag feed with COAL as long 2.360". I wonder if this can be loaded...?

[@JimmyJusa]

For hand loading would you base it on the weight or more along the lines of the comparable size bullets like the eldm mentioned?

[@hornady]

As far as powder charge? It will be closer to similar weight bullets

[@MikeKeppy]

Will the 62gr hold up to 1:7 in a 22 creed or 22GT?

[@rm10002]

Will the 62G work in a 22 creed either 18-20” barrel with an 8 twist? Wondering if it’s got a bit thicker copper jacket to handle 300,000+ revs. Reading between the lines I’m guessing this bullet is at least part of the reason you went 8 twist for 22 creed SAAMI :)

[@troyrussell1009]

I'm wondering the same thing

[@bigboyzguns8164]

Your Guy'ez? Easier to say Yinz or Yall'z lol Can't wait for these. Thanks Hornady

[@Hightideoutdoors]

So this is food for Varmit and Target? I have a 6.5 Grendel Ar15

[@grassroots9304]

Fascinating. Just ship the bullets please. I need something to replace the Nosler BT since it seems Nosler doesn't actually make bullets anymore. Over a year with none of the 6.5 100gr BT. I'm shooting stuff w SST bullets which aren't even close to the performance of the BT terminally (tested in the field and in gel). Testing a 6mm 80 from the CM on Saturday in gel. Whoop...I need the 6.5 100 for the 6.5G for hunting. Chop chop!

[@klo910]

I shoot 6 ARC for thermal hunting at night for coyotes. Sounds like these are very explosive bullets, how will the 80gr perform on a less than perfect shot say on a shoulder blade from a penetration standpoint? Will it splash or will it get into the vitals and anchor the coyote? Thanks

[@constitutionalist4391]

Do you plan a VX for hunting that is copper? EDIT: PS - is the 12th edition of the reloading app/book coming out soon?

[@calangel]

Can you give an OAL on the 62gr 22 cal offering?

[@andrewmcmullen1388]

Excited to try them. Is there load data for these bullets? Nothing i could find on the website or on the app. Including the specific cartridge pages.

[@hornady]

Data will be coming soon!

[@Blair338RUM]

These projectiles have a lot of potential for use in Australian conditions BUT is correct that the 80gr 6mm bullet will need a 1:8 or EVEN a 1:7.5 twist rate to stabilise? Because if so, that will be a problem as lots of factory 6mms come with 1:10 twist barrels and Hornady has lost a huge share of the market right there..?????

[@codyblackmon8001]

I might have just missed it but what is the 100gr 6.5 the same shape as? The 120 eld?

[@bradleyhughes6853]

Do these in .257! When you have a fast twist 25-06 for the 134gr ELD or the 131gr Blackjack, it is hard to get varmint bullets to group.

[@rustyshackleford2723]

The new standard!

[@ChadCooper03]

This would be awesome in 30cal, for my short barrel 308 bolt gun, keep velocity up, with lower pressure, but decent bc features and less drop

[@chrisfisher3900]

Hopefully we don’t have any crush issues with the thin jacket and big air gap. Guess we will find out soon enough

[@dannydivine7699]

Ok here we are again, at the risk of asking dumb questions, I'm reasonably certain these new gee wiz bullets will be included in 4dof, what about all the existing lines that aren't fully supported in 4dof??? Like for instance the 6.5 123 SST used in the custom line 6.5 Grendel factory ammo, and I'm sure there are other, that's just one I was trying to find over the weekend!!!!!

[@hornady]

The SST won't be on the 4DOF side, but can be found in the ammo library on the BC side.

[@TMFShooting]

Great Podcast 💯 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@hornady]

Thank you!!!

[@tyler6147]

Wait, did I hear that correctly? The 62 grain variant cannot be loaded for an AR??? If so, that's a huge disappointment.

[@hornady]

Not sure what part you're referring to, but the 62 gr can be loaded to mag length in the 22 ARC. It would not fit with the 223?5.56

[@tyler6147]

@@hornady At the 24:15 mark is what I am referring to. It said the 62 grain won't fit a .223 AR. That is extremely disappointing if so.

[@joeld008]

@@tyler6147That’s half the reason for the 22 arc. You can’t put a bullet that long in a .223 AR, it’s just not physically possible.

[@tyler6147]

@@joeld008 In the video they said it's got roughly the same shape as a 75 grain bullet. I shoot 75 grain all the time out of my AR, hence I was hoping it would work. Then again it's only the most popular platform and caliber on the planet. Aside from that I'm sure it will work just fine. Hopefully some day they will add another bullet selection that will allow use in a standard AR15 rifle.

[@hornady]

75 gr ELD-Match, which is long and also wouldn't go mag length with a 223. Think super high BC, low drag shape, not your typical 75 or 77 gr bthp.

[@KimDavis-n5t]

Wouldn't it have been a better bullet for the 308 diameter to have done about 130 grand bullet with the ballistic coefficients of a 178 VLD or more shoulder friendly bullet?

[@andyjonathan2486]

It would be great to see a 108 gr 6mm with a shape of a long 115gr. Running a 108gr ELDM at 2850 FPS in a 6CM, results in a low case fill with H4350, and longer bearing surface and ogive would help take up the extra volume.

[@jeremyangell8330]

Sounds awesome but if I can’t find powder or primers it useless to me.

[@John-sl5iu]

In Miles We Trust

[@806Guns]

When will this line be available?

[@ToddSanders-kj1jc]

Right like all ammunition a few years back all ammunition was hard to get. Hopefully that’s not our future.

[@grits_taste_good415]

No 7mm for handloaders?

[@ForceRecon112]

When will the BC be available online?

[@andrewhurstcars]

Nothing for twenty caliber in the works?

[@johnkranenborg6019]

I didnt catch you guys say anything about using them in 6.5 PRC. Is there a reason that would t be a good suit?

[@brandonreiter4903]

I don't think they will offer it off the shelf but a person could reload with the new bullets. 6.5 PRC is not what people consider a varmint cartridge.

[@tonyparrish2063]

Want these for my super charged 243 loads!

[@markgarner9832]

Did I miss twist rate for the 30 cal?

[@markgarner9832]

Should have been more patient.

[@bigg6967]

10" twist@@markgarner9832

[@JimmyJusa]

So the 6mm would require a 1:8 twist, a 1:10 243 would not work? Even though you mention a 100gr comparable size and the 243 handles that weight in general.

[@hornady]

Correct. 1 in 10” would not stabilize

[@Piledriver2235]

​@@hornady​ and I'm hoping they don't spin apart and go pooof in my 1:7 20" 6creed. Lol. Even if I gotta load them a little slower would be fine and save me some barrel life. Would really like to see this tech built off the great 108eldm (or heavier) which i built my rifle around. They shoot great, but would like the instant expansion these have for varmints. Would be perfect for dealing with my groundhog and coyote population!

[@bobmcmillen4502]

You’re kidding yourself if you think people aren’t going to shoot elk with those😂

[@calangel]

Especially when you have 245 page rockslide threads that show people knocking down elk, moose, and bear with the 77gr tmk, and 73gr/75gr eld at rangers beyond 300yrds. In legal states, that is. Maybe these bullet designers don't shoot their own bullets enough to know what they ACTUALLY do in the field...who knows?

[@bobmcmillen4502]

@@calangel Exactly who I was thinking. Guarantee they are going to to see what they do. Which is ok.

[@wyattgraham5711]

.... next year... 300 prc.... I'll try it on a doe first.... a 178 eldx goes 3306 fps average out of my rifle....so 3350 fpsish. I will call it lungs-be-gone.

[@ToddSanders-kj1jc]

22-250 and 222 have been used for that better shot placement. I understand why bigger is needed but Alaska Hunters have used 222 in past with good results

[@bpm990d]

You guys have way too many SKUs that you don't support. Love the innovation, but I'm annoyed at the inability to find inventory.

[@dalton12316]

I really really want to find out what would happen if theese got loaded into a 220 swift.

[@HawkinsPrecision]

We're feeling 100 grain 6.5s in a 6.5 PRC.

[@normangiven6436]

Are there going to be ELD's made for 8mm? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@KB-bs4ct]

Listening and working so not catching everything said but have 2 questions. More calibers to come? (Specifically .277 ) How exactly does this compare to the existing V-max?

[@hornady]

This will definitely be a line of bullets that we will build on over time. For a good ELD-VT vs. V-MAX comparison - checkout the guy's conversation here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWa0dGaYi9yhgassi=k2LtPDQpmydk_H9S

[@KB-bs4ct]

@@hornady missed that video but got it now. Also answered my question about whether it would work for what I got.

[@joearledge]

So.... Does the .22 cal 62gr fit into 2.260" COAL, or not....?? You said it didn't, then some of the guys said they were running them on gas guns/ AR's.... so which is it? Edit: oh, never mind, it's a proprietary bullet for the 22 ARC... Too long for 5.56 AR mags, and requires a twist faster than most of the popular .22 cal bolt guns... Guess no one I know will be buying any of those...

[@aaronunterseher1627]

This is as ignorant's as its gets So what it doesnt fit in the 5.56 /.223 not everything needs to be centered around gas guns and there functionality... You still have 22x250, 22 creed, 22 grendel, 22 arc, 224 valk, 223/5.56 and there is no reason why any modern built rifle wont be able to facilitate these projectiles specially since the trend to heavy high BC lead hasnonly increased over the last decade or soo Idk about you but both my bolt guns are 1:8 in .223 so idk what friends you have, sure there not gonna load into grand papis 700 with a 1:14 but most modern bolt guns are down in the 1:8 mark now This is also a platform launch give it a couple years and youll likely see a bullet in the 50gr mark with BCs hovering around 68s and work with a 1:9 and will be ar mag length... (speculation) i doubt they will religate this to just the top of the ladder and lose the bottom of the ladder in the marketplace as a hole...

[@joearledge]

@@aaronunterseher1627 1:8 is about the tightest that most 22-250 get, unless you do something custom and get tighter. If you listened to the video, they said 1:8 "MIGHT" be able to stabilize it. You can find 224 Valk down to about 1:6.5. 22-250 is a varmint rifle, so most(not all) of those guys stay away from tight twists because too many RPM's make thin jacket boo-lots go POP! 224 Valk is around but not very popular. 22 creed and 22 grendle are, for all practical purposes, still wild cat rounds. Last I checked, 22 creed gives you about 2,000 rounds before it's a smooth bore(great for rat-shot!), about half that for good accuracy. So it seems cool, but a lot of people shy away from barrel burners. 22 ARC is brand new(obviously). Based on the 6 ARC, I expect great things, but at what cost? If it burns barrels, many will stay away from it. Maybe it'll be the new 6.5 creed but 1,000X better! 10,000 round barrel life, mach Jesus velocity, sub 0.25 MOA at 5,000 meters with the cheapest plinking ammo and a blind shooter.... Any way you cut it, it's a proprietary bullet for the 22 ARC, that works in 224 valk, a couple of wild cat cartridges, and some custom stuff... Whether you like it or not sweet cheeks, 223 rem/ 5.56 is the most popular center fire 22 in the world... This is supposed to be a varmint round, and MOST 22 varmint barrels, regardless of cartridge, can't stabilize it... If you make a 22 cal varmint bullet that wont fit for 95% of either of those 2 groups, then you're not going to sell a butt load of them... that just business and marketing facts there cup cake

[@justice1327]

Where is the BC and twist rate data go? Where are the 22 Cal bullets that will fit in an A.R. 15? Where are the 7 mm bullets?

[@euanwillis1525]

Please make a 6.5mm eld-x in 110-125 gr vt style for smaller medium game

[@alexmills1329]

Not to be that guy but… when are we going to see it make it to the 7mm?

[@dustinfarnsworth174]

I just bought a bunch of vmax for my 6mm ARC and then this comes out. Alls good though, 500 rounds won’t last all that long.

[@coreymoyers]

Why not simply make them solid copper or other material?

[@codyboland8109]

Because it’s a varmint bullet designed for explosive impacts, not deep penetration

[@geoffreyschulman9037]

Where is the 6arc load data???

[@zackw9292]

Nothing for the .257’s? Way to miss the boat on that one!

[@rickschwertner282]

Did I shoot against one of these at Navasota.

[@charlesmullins3238]

I just loaded the 95gr v max .264” in 6.5prc usin h4450 and velocity was 3626fps from my 24” carbon waypoint with.5” groups…send a 20oz bottle into another area code

[@garyjohns4711]

didn't their ammo plant blow up ???

[@coganhagen01]

Can yall start making better 22lr ammo , I see cci is getting sold overseas

[@linkchen8245]

Why there isn't one for ar mag length for 223, sad day LOL

[@itzvrtx2244]

Just too long. They might have similar weights but the increase in BC is found in that length.

[@codyboland8109]

What he said^^. But… this is a new offering, and they aren’t starting off with every possible caliber/bullet length available. Since it’s based of their existing eldx/eldm bullets, they could possibly make one based of of the 73gr eldm. I’d assume it’d be close to 58-60gr but should still have a BC in the low-mid 0.3 range

[@fpjeepy05]

Design Prompt: 62gr ELD-VT Bullet Ruger LC Carbine (Or similar) Beat 5.7x28 Cartridge (half windage @400yds, double distance to transonic)

[@mark-koba]

Won't work, the 62gr is too long for 5.7x28 and there would probably be pressure issues as well.

[@fpjeepy05]

​@@mark-kobaI am suggesting a new cartridge. Something like a 22 ARC short, 22 Action Express or something between.

[@mark-koba]

@@fpjeepy05 I like this idea. What about using a 22 Hornet size case instead of the 5.7x28mm?

[@fpjeepy05]

@@mark-koba 5.7x28mm base diameter is larger. Going to hornet would be going in the wrong direction. I'm thinking more like 225 JAWS Micro Mag.

[@fpjeepy05]

@mark-koba The case volume of the 22 spitfire isn't much more than 5.7x28. I think with a 62gr eld-vt it would be too long to fit in a pistol grip mag. Ogive length is around 0.60" so for OAL of 1.7" we are looking at case length around 1". 22 spitfire is about 1.28" ... 225 JAWS micro mag.

[@Ivanitcthanus]

In 6mm only 80 grain is available and no 105s bummer.

[@tyler6147]

Based on what I have been reading, with these bullets a 105 grain using this design, the physical bullet would be about the same size as a 123-124 grain 6mm bullet. That grain weight does not exist for a whole host of reasons. To get the equivalent of a 115 grain 6mm these would probably top out around 97-98 grain. A 91-92 grain of this design would be roughly equal to a 108 grain in size.

[@WayStedYou]

A 105 in this design would need a 1 in 6 twist or something

[@Juliansa537]

How about a 204 eld vt ?

[@donbenson5292]

If they are holding true with a VT line it should happen. The bc's they haven't published them but will be interesting to see what happens. Not too long ago, a year ago or so, had a conversation with them regarding the 204 40 gr vmax. I discussed accuracy, weight, and bc. So I would bet in the near future they will have one in 204.

[@WayStedYou]

@@donbenson5292 22 Cal. .224 62 gr.395 (G1) .199 (G7) 6mm .243 80 gr.410 (G1) .206 (G7) 6.5mm .264 100 gr.448 (G1).266 (G7) You would think they would have one of their 700 employees copy paste their own info but I guess not.

[@forrestsmith1044]

I have a 300 rum that might get some of the 174s loaded in it

[@hornady]

Heck yeah

[@ProShooterAbsolute10]

@@hornady what is the BC on the 174s?

[@KimDavis-n5t]

For the people that don't have 30 lb rifles

[@dougkahler7152]

I love Hornady but this is a very bad bullet in my opinion. Bring back the Interbonds! This ELDX it way to explosive. So you may be correct that it’s a long range bullet but use it out of my 25-06 push velocities and have my buck of a lifetime come in at 50 yards and hit the shoulder! Boom it blows up and won’t penetrate to the vitals loosing my dream buck. No thank you Hornady

[@codyboland8109]

You must not have got the memo that this is a varmint bullet

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Please stop making new stuff and work on your consistency of the things you already make. Your stuff is all over the place latley some batches work great then I'll get another that's completely shit. Your quality control needs work. Weatherby and nosler and federal are always way more consistent then Hornady. I used to be diehard Hornady for years but not now your quality went down hill on consistency

[@edwardabrams4972]

With great power comes with great responsibility! Tell hunters they can shoot long distances and use bullets that are not for hunting is the sign of a money hungry company!

[@aaronunterseher1627]

At what point did they say this? I heard shooting varmints which explode as it is with a proportional cartridge... (.223 remington can split coyotes open nearly in half with vmaxs or varmint grenades) They strickly not only advise but strongly state these bullets are not meant for standard medium to large game animals at any range Additionally if you are going hunting and choose to stand on the side of ignorance to the equipment youre gonna use that not the companies fault youre terrible gun owner and hunter in the same breath.

[@WayStedYou]

They only ever mentioned them for varmints and coyotes which a varmint/target hybrid seems perfectly useful for. Also 21:37

[@bobwoods5017]

Why the massive hsadsets. Looks like they are piloting a helicopter. Not sitting at a table talking to someone. Are they getting fed what to say? The discussion is not what I want. Lets see the product and its testing results on the firing range. This intellectual crap is all theory no hands on experience.

[@80953908262]

One thing I can’t understand is why you are conducting interviews in these stupid headphones, are you in a helicopter or in a tank??? It’s like there’s an epidemic, everyone who produces such content is wearing these headphones...😡😡😡

[@achap6376]

Why are you so angry? It's probably for audio quality.