EP 109 | The Truth About the NAR w/ Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett | Redeeming Truth

[@doug_peterson]

YES!!! was waiting on this. Teresa and I taught this NARbage. I am so thankful God delivered us from this heresy.

[@juliemayes2027]

Oh praise Him for doing so xx

[@terrymitchell6423]

Me Too!❤

[@crazycatman5928]

My dad has been in the faith for 40 years. In 2020 he lost his wife of 30 years/cvd19 came out/and he started watching more KZbin. He found Julie Green and Robin Bullock. He’s has became very upset with me for calling the “political” fortune tellers out. I’m not gonna give up on him and I’d hope that someone would do the same for me. Pray for him if anyone reads this. Thank you.

[@mazatlanangel]

Please keep spreading the truth about this. My sister & other family members are caught up in this and absolutely will not even discuss it! I’ll continue to pray their eyes are opened. Thank you all! 🙏

[@gretchenquast1457]

Thank you for this pastors!! I attend redeemer now but was saved in my youth in a charismatic church that taught things that sound very much like NAR. I was fully committed to that type of teaching the first 1/2 of my Christian walk. God, in his Grace to me, is undoing a lot of these wrong teachings and beliefs. Thank you for bringing light to this issue and for sound teaching. God bless

[@joinjen3854]

Charismatic relies on feelings and emotions, not learning The Word. Happy clappy!!

[@charlespatterson3]

So grateful for Redeemer. We left a church inundated with these sorts of NAR teachings, worship, and associations. I thank God he convicted me to seek out a sound church and we’re now happily planted at Redeemer! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@michaelbearden9135]

I'm a retired pastor who attended the Leadership Advance at Bethel several times, and was involved with them for several years. It is only recently that I have really distanced myself from them and the teachings because I have led a Mens Bible study and I couldn't keep using the teaching and the practices at Bethel. Thank you for the book and the panel.

[@melissadecristoforo9239]

Wow thank you so much for this...I am currently coming out of a NAR ministry here in Jacksonville FL...I was told that I was to be a "Prophet" and we were forced to call others in the Ministry by their 5 fold title and we had to submit to the Apostle...and as I began to study the word for myself I began to see that a huge portion of what they were teaching and promoting was totally unbiblical...I need your prayers because I know God wants me to leave, but I have many friends and I know that these ties must be severed. I pray for others in my similar situation that God will give them the strength and where with all to walk away from this dangerous movement. God bless you. Melissa D.

[@ChollieD]

Secular guy in Redding, California, here. Thanks for telling us all about NAR. Bethel, you might want to know, has tremendous pull in our town. The 'good news' (if you will) is that the kids/students are a decent sort by and large, and provide our coffee shops with a constant supply of earnest baristas. But the Christianity that they present to the world is (in my opinion) absurdly prideful and self-inflating. They can seem quite thirsty after the extra "powers" they're allegedly developing, as if the meaning of the Temptations in the Desert is just lost on them. That's unlike most Protestants of my acquaintance, who are decently humble and oriented toward serving Christ by serving their fellow humans. I wish you all well, and thanks again for the information.

[@kylady124]

You are spot on in your discernment, and I sincerely THANK YOU for sharing! Hopefully the Church World will sit up and take notice. I've been studying and observing this movement as it seeps into into formerly, theologically grounded churches that rightly once divided the Word of Truth. Within the movement is a blatant escalation of man's authority, a de-escalation of the Authority of God and blatant watering down of His Sovereignty. The spiritual pride of those in the movement is blaring and growing as they buy into it. Its tangible in their behavior, as you mentioned. Believers can't abandon the Humility of Christ as we spread the Gospel, and be the mirrored image of Christ as we go. Distorting His Image, which also distorts His Word, IS writing another gospel. God bless you richly. 🙏🏼

[@juliapom9115]

If the so-called 'evangelical' church is only NOW challenging NAR it begs the issue as to where they have been for the last 30 years!

[@joinjen3854]

Too many evangelistic churches are lost in emotion and heresy.

[@juliemcarthur7332]

Perfect example of the combination of Narcissism and Gnosticsim

[@ameliawalden8510]

I sincerely appreciate the cordial conversation around this topic! I watched the video in researching for a podcast I am going to be on & had also recently cancelled another interview due to the “tone” I heard in discussing these same topics. Your approachable nature is getting your point across to so many that would have otherwise tuned out the message if presented in another tone. Great great interview - I enjoyed every minute of discussion and am blown away by the stronghold NAR is gaining and some of the claims presented here. Great work again!

[@servingjesussinnersavedbyg8456]

Pray for our Pastors - they do a great job, and it is much harder than meets the eye ... in times past - teachers used to worry about students passing notes, or sticking gum under their seat, pastors - would say we hate the sin, but we love you and put their arm around the hidden family member, yet today - it's not so simple, with the Satanic demonic infiltration of the church, to distract, and keep many aloof and away, or gossip and divide, Jesus said the Gates of Hell will not prevail, so pray for these men, to keep STANDING for Truth in the Armor of God, as they preach to and protect the flock and family known as RBC, Happy 8th anniversary fellas.

[@joinjen3854]

How does Bill Johnson explain his wife NOT being healed, and dying?

[@scottracey]

My wife was healed of cancer, we had a ultrasound photo of the tumor. She wanted to go to Bethel for prayer less than a week after the Dr showed us the picture of the tumor. We went to the healing room on a Saturday, surgery was on Tuesday, the surgeon said what we knew was there wasn’t there. This has been 16 years ago. Our daughter passed away from cancer 5 years ago, she also went to the healing room at Bethel for prayer, why my wife was healed and our daughter wasn’t I don’t know why. We don’t blame God, we don’t blame anyone. We would go back again if needed.

[@joinjen3854]

@@scottracey God heals, not anyone at Bethel and their fabricated gold flakes.

[@scottracey]

I didn’t say anyone at Bethel, healed her, I said we went out for prayer. We know that God heal her. He’s the only one that can heal cancer.

[@servingjesussinnersavedbyg8456]

When we get away from the Inerrant Infallible Word of God, Mental Health becomes distorted / unbalanced, and therein lies the problem, insecurity, grandiose complex, No Peace, No Rest

[@Staystrong123]

I never heard of NRA until last year, from what I've seen RUN FROM IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE! ✝️💜🙏

[@servingjesussinnersavedbyg8456]

Rooted in demonic pride for position and power, sounds about as far away from Jesus example of - guys, do you want to be great? then wash some feet, get dirty. Guys when someone wrongs you, turn the other cheek, love one another, and be good to those who mean you harm or evil. If you can restore those who will listen. Whatever happened to Jesus increases in glory and power, and we diminish. Sounds like you can write your own cheque or certificate and you are good to go, self-appointed, claiming to be the new leader of the blind, leading the blind, under the guise of charisma, and falsehoods. Anyone who preaches extra deep mystery revelation - over the Bible - all that has been revealed already, as Paul says is accursed, anethema, and should be ignored. Good session.

[@juliannebrancadora3476]

I've spent a lot of years in WofF and NAR churches before I knew better. The problem is that the people there don't even know what NAR is. They never call themselves NAR. In fact, they rarely ever use the term "authoritative" or "governing" in reference to apostles. If you even use big words around them, they just say you have a religious spirit. They follow after feelings and experiences, not sound doctrine. For the people in these churches, it's all about the feelings. I've been out of this movement for several years now and still have a hard time getting through to them.

[@carrielynng328]

I do not follow NAR, what I was hoping for from this video was scripture calling out the lies that everyone will be healed and if not people lack faith. The truth to expose the darkness for us out here that have this NAR trying to slither its way into our churches. I speak for myself and others in my church who are standing up against teachings from small groups in my church.

[@dianefarrell2343]

Do you have short excerpts or pamphlets to give to someone a condensed explanation??

[@brenmanock]

NAR music has a wrong theology of corporate worship.

[@mwatts-riley2688]

This is the exact path of the Jesus People, The Way, Jesus Freaks, and other young people cults of the 70s. The world was just as chaotic then, with new age thought, Vietnam, anti establishment, anti- Johnson, Woodstock, the women's right movement, gays coming out, the woman's movement, Martin Luther king, jfk, rkf, Malcom X. You name it: 📚 The similarities are astonishing!! 🥴 M. IL. ❤

[@toddboucher3302]

I thought people would wake up after bill Johnson’s wife died of cancer.

[@laceystrong516]

DEFINITELY AGREE! I watched this happen from the lense of my Mom had just passed and the moment I watched his wife die I knew he was a fraud!

[@joinjen3854]

How about when Bill dies? He is not young.

[@ivanasimic2072]

Very good teaching, thank you all

[@shoushansalibian4271]

NAR is heretical not just aberrant theology. We have to pray for their salvation.

[@paulmerritt2484]

I will tell you 3 years ago God gave me word for some who serve in my church at the time. It happened not long before I moved out of town. God wanted to launch something and it was revival in that church. The pastor did accept the word from me and I knew I was being told to lead that Church into something and was given kingdom authority to give word for others there but it was not a thing where I was going to move in on anyone's position. God had me wake up another church after that and it seemed God was sending me to leaders in churches to transform them. I was used to show that God can use anyone if we love Jesus enough.

[@PropheticCoachTheresa]

I've appreciated Holly's diligent and tireless work to expose this movement, but I've been dismayed at her refusal to acknowledge the show The Chosen and it's glaring role in that system. NAR, The Chosen, et al ultimately come out of the vatican. I wish people would follow the threads all the way to the source. But end times deception is in full swing. "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Matthew 24:24

[@ColinEvans-zr1oh]

The chosen was made to pave the way global religion end of day's

[@carolsarafinchan9767]

I was not aware of what the NAR movement taught or who were a part of it. Thank you fot this informative video. 😊

[@nickylouse2]

NAR is like an octopus. It permeates many different denominations. I belong to a messianic congregation who has been influenced by some of the problems associated with NAR. Before that I was going to a non-denominational bible church that was also influenced by them.

[@TheRealRenn]

IHOP in Kansas City lead by Mike Bickle....the guy who Francis Chan loves..."People told me he was creepy, but I have to say, I love Mike Bickle" Now Mike Bickle has been exposed as an adulterous, lying, reprobate. Kinda sheds light on Francis the emoter Chan's level of discernment.

[@SethEngel]

Great episode

[@a.kay.c]

Another great episode! Thanks RBC

[@libertylarochelle8517]

Thank you. Subscriber from South Australia 🇦🇺.

[@RedeemerBibleChurchGilbert]

Hi, Liberty!

[@jimrylander9143]

If you bring opposition to this movement they will say you have a religious spirit. So deceptive. A way to deceive member’s into not questioning their belief.

[@redsoul6900]

Satan has subtle ways to get into the church through music. He's cunning; therefore, we must be vigilant.

[@justjackham]

Excellent discussion !!

[@servingjesussinnersavedbyg8456]

So what are the hymns they sing in these NAR churches? - Same As It Ever Was - Talking Heads - It's a Dead Man's Party - Oingo Boingo - She Blinded Me w Science - Thomas Dolby - Weird Science ...

[@IMAGINENGINE]

It’s the “low rolling smoke” that is coming in our churches, under the feet , unrecognized ‘ even as it rises to their knees”. It’s a word I got last year. It’s like the frog in the pot. They may even see the water and feel it heating up, but they don’t jump out because, as the danger itself, desensitizes them, they don’t see it as a threat. They are lulled to their death.

[@earlteigrob9211]

Most of the prayer declarations are all about what God is going to do for us. What if we made them about what we are going to do for God? I think of the Hyme ‘I have decided to follow Jesus’. We are so me centered and this appeals to so many people.

[@Rosearion]

I'm 37 minutes in and absolutely incandescent by the refusal of professing Christians to call heretical teachings heresy. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. NAR teaches a different gospel, a different Jesus and has a different spirit. We need to stand STRONG for the truth! This wishy-washy acceptance is what's wrong in the churches. We follow God's standard- not our own. Do not be fooled brethren, turn from false teachings and guard your great pearl.

[@solagratia8573]

I agree, you stated that so well.

[@paulmag5804]

Basic’s are missing. Too many people do NOT read their Bible!!!!!! They are so busy with the world as to “fit” Jesus into their life.

[@therecoverytabernacle]

Thank you for your ministry

[@ivanasimic2072]

Please, translate this books in croatian language, we need it despirately overe here in Croatia, its like a cancer ruin lives of many.

[@paulmerritt2484]

I do not agree with this NAR movement for the record. I found out that it is correct that Jesus acted in the Holy Spirit. It is in the Bible and we can do these things also when he is manifested in us as in John 14 or 15 I think it is. He said if we love him and keep his commandments he would manifest in us and this happened to me and I was delivered and healed. I have seen way too many miracles to doubt the power of the Holy Spirit. God will help us if we believe and we obey Christs commandments. It is about the heart. We can not have any darkness or contempt or resentments or unforgiveness in our hearts. Saying we forgive often is not enough. I was almost 50 when I finally got water baptized and something spiritual did happen. It was not my first miracle either but they started happening regularly since then. It has been 3 years now. God cured my anxiety and depression and my PTSD. He healed my health also. He also healed my heart and relationships. My wife and I live in a state of joy unspeakable all the time. We sing to God all day. We do live worship gatherings in the evening. We spend so much time with God because we want his company. We are not ok anywhere else but in his presence and he helps us be protected form temptation. Its amazing. I have to pinch myself I am not kidding. I wake up singing! God did that. I was a desperate mess before. I needed to forgive all in my heart and humble myself before the Lord with all of my heart soul and mind. Worship is singing but it is also so much more. It is loving the Lord and the things that he loves. We get to see what those things are. We get to see his heart! Knowledge of his will comes through his heart.

[@melluecke1055]

Sounds like a repeat of the Glory Barners, located in Northern Indiana area.

[@robertburke9920]

So then read the novel “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much. Very much.

[@joinjen3854]

Does it point to and glorify Christ? Does it make people know The Word better and deeper? If not, it is probably false and devisive . MARK AND AVOID. Where is Servant leadership/ washing of feet? Where is accountability?

[@davidcoulter8489]

I don't like The Message Bible. However a lot of pastors and teachers use it!

[@briandash-eb9vh]

I share Holly Pivec’s testimonies on NAR forums. She is awesome!!

[@bobchevallier8456]

KC here it sounds like there are many practices that were used in the discipleship shepherding movement back in the 80s and 90s which destroyed people families churches etc

[@revivalmelbourne513]

Salvation is the start of the life journey with God! Jesus says to focus on the Kingdom! Matt 6:33

[@HenryGibbs-u2r]

All will stand The Judgement Day.

[@jennifersanders4837]

Honestly there does not need to even be a translation we're going further and further away from truth! In the nasb translation, Isaiah 14:12 is pretty much saying that Lucifer is the Daystar. Only Christ Jesus is called the day star !!!!In the KJV, Lucifer is called the son of the morning,big difference! The passion translation is not even a translation!

[@Marilyn-l3n]

Is Rick Renner part of this movemnt?

[@TheMik579]

Where you have abherent theology, heresy is the next step.

[@PotterSpurn1]

I'm not overly familiar with all of the Bible and have much to read and study. But what I am sure about is that it is not enough to just believe in the Trinitarian Godhead - God the Father, Jesus the Son and Holy Spirit. You also have to give equal weight to each part of it as a disciple too - their significance in the whole of the Gospel. Some theologies play down one or more elements of the Trinity, despite declaring otherwise. Calvinism is one such arm, leaving believers who think about their faith wondering why Jesus even came to earth in the first place, if God had already decided who was going to be saved. That distortions lay at the root of heresies too, not just outwardly denouncing the Trinitarian Godhead. The rest of the Bible is largely a matter of cultural interpretation and personal preference e.g., some will say women can wear trousers as women wear trousers these days, others will say they can't and that they are wearing men's clothes which is unbiblical: so some will lean toward a conservative interpretation of these secondary considerations, others toward a more modern approach that keeps step with modern culture just like Jesus kept in step with the culture of his day too - by wiping feet. Within both, you will find true followers of Christ. They are the ones that never stop seeking, asking, praying for the truth of how we should live and worship him and to grow in our knowledge and relationship with him, and they never start to worship the Pastor or overly rely upon other non-Biblical sources to gain knowledge about God. They never stop being discerning either. the Pharisees are those that appear to know it all, seem outwardly religious and pious but have poisoned hearts. By your fruits you will be known. God knows the heart of each one of us, and that is what he will judge us on. Not our outward declarations, our appearances or our religiosity.

[@dianefarrell2343]

What is mrant by preaching the gospel of the kingdom

[@paulmerritt2484]

We get those miracles on our own. We do not need a prophet to tell us. God can tell others in the church the same thing. We should all wait on the Holy Spirit and know Jesus is the head of the Church and none of us have ultimate authority to say God speaks to us and not others.

[@54725]

I’m a little curious about Smith Wigglesworth. Most heroes of faith are read and taught and generally revered even by many good ministries. Also John Bevere. I used to consider him sound and have consistently used his material for life groups. Now I am not so sure as he seems to move with these false teachers.

[@fsommers94]

Plus he (John Bevere) was mentored by Benny Hinn.

[@davidcoulter8489]

Holly says out of context, but what does she mean? She doesn't go on to explain how they are taking Ephesians out of context. That's the issue I have with these people, they never prove by scripture anything. Is it based on their religions doctrine or actual scripture?

[@dianefarrell2343]

✒ seems to know if the Wesleyan Church defends this movement or not

[@davidcoulter8489]

Control by men in any form is wrong on any religion. I can pretty much guarantee that any church has people attending that are not saved even though they hear what these folks perceive as the true gospel.

[@juliemcarthur7332]

I wish u guys would’ve touched on Morning Star Ministries w Rick Joyner. My family’s church got indoctrinated by the NAR rhetoric via books and literature first and then came the music of IHOP and Bethel . And people also need to know that this is a 10 headed snake because of all the lingo and titles pertaining to this movement . They’re preparing us for a civil war in the church and the 7 mountain mandate . They refuse to teach on the book of revelation although some are starting too because the return of Christ is soon. More Exposure to their teachings and names are helpful as well . Kingdom now, latter rain , Joel’s army, NAR, 7 mountain mandate , sons of thunder, the call , one thing, the send, Jesus culture, elevation , bethel , ihop and Kansas City prophets, Toronto blessing , Lakeland revival debacle , GOD tv , etc. also if ur church starts doing prophetic booths, fire tunnels, sozo, grave soaking and singing about open portals over ur church …RUN

[@fsommers94]

Morningstar may have been preaching this before Bethel Redding. But they are being exposed as well because of their handling of the Todd Bentley fiasco and now more recently the Chris Reed scandal.

[@ryanehlis426]

So the process for prayer is that you petition God in prayer, like when Esther went before the king, than when or if God approves your petition it is right to decree and declare the matter in the earth realm knowing God is backing that up. A good example of someone missing that was when Kenneth Copeland tried to “blow away and execute judgment” on covid19. God was totally allowing covid like the plagues on Egypt to be a judgment on the world, so nothing happened and Kenneth Copeland looked silly 🙃. Take authority over your church and family like the nation of Israel in Goshen but the judgment God sent against Egypt was not going to be stopped.

[@ThePossumone]

Do Christians actually agree on anything ? Seems there are so many factions within it

[@brenmanock]

They replace the true gospel. They have an errant view of kenosis of christs diety. That seems heretical to me

[@davidcoulter8489]

What? Can we only use the music that you choose to worship God? What makes you any different than what your speaking about?

[@sylviadoncarlos6762]

Apostles were commissioned. The Bible makes reference to apostles as Paul, an Apostle. The writing does’t place a title prior to a name. We in the natural place titles in front of names and this has become a narcissist tradition of men. I no longer fellowship with people from this movement after attempting to have theology discussions. Romans 16:17 is the imperative mood which is a command.

[@davidcoulter8489]

I have to ask you, Holly, do you believe in miracles happening today?

[@paulmerritt2484]

I don't understand the problem with any of the Bethel songs I hear still. They are biblical and declare the Glory of God. I know when a worship song was written while a person was anointed by the Holy Spirit. I feel teh anointing in the first 2 seconds and even on songs I have never heard and people I have never heard or seen. God does it not me. I Just am aware and it is awesome.

[@servingjesussinnersavedbyg8456]

NAR sounds pretty Narly

[@SethEngel]

Good one

[@davidcoulter8489]

When I see these types of shows I like to find out from what is their religious background. It speaks volumes about what their religious experiences are. I approach these things with the attitude of I'm not sure about this. Maybe I believe some of it and not believe other parts. No one has all the truth, no matter what their degree is or how long they have researched it.

[@tawniem1838]

I’d invite you to research more. Fighting for the Faith, Longfortruth1 and Justin Peter Ministries are YT channels that go through many, many examples and exegete the scripture (in context, not cherry picked) to show why this movement is unbiblical and dangerous.

[@ryanehlis426]

What you described as the NAR movement is the gospel going fourth through all the earth, the grate commission that Jesus gave the church.

[@alexkelley385]

Fourth? Grate?

[@tawniem1838]

No where does it say we are to take control over society, it does not say we are even capable of (much less called to) putting everyone under God’s law to make the earth all better so Jesus can then come again, no where does it say we can or are called to conquer powers & principalities! The Great Commission is sharing the Gospel (salvation through Jesus) so people can become members of the Kingdom of God. Not conquering the world, not forcing people to Jesus, not defeating entities of the unseen realm.

[@54725]

They have nothing to do with the gospel of the Bible. RUN from this masquerading spirit. Despite the warmings in the Bible, people still fall prey to these teachings.

[@fsommers94]

Perhaps you should go back to the Bible and reread the Great Commission.

[@DanielMolinaLife]

Dr Brown will talk to you...👀

[@fsommers94]

Yeah, that Dr has been covering for these guys for decades.

[@asherjacobson597]

One quibble. Unless you have a perfect understanding of God you have some heresy (a word notbin the bible). The word for being outside of the gospel of salvation is reprobate, a word that vision the bible

[@melluecke1055]

Jesus definitely demonstrated the Powers of the Kingdom. The early church and later Apostle Paul did exercise spiritual gifts. Through the Revelation of the Mystery, the dispensation of Grace entrusted to Apostle Paul we see these sign gifts fall away as Apostle Paul states clearly will happen. Israel Rejected the offer of their King and their Kingdom. Saul of Tarsus is the Leader of the Rebellion, the Glorified Risen Christ chose Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus for a Secret that was only revealed to Saul later known as Apostle Paul. Paul's Revelation of the mystery of Jew&Gentile joined together forming the Body of Christ by the Cross alone and not through Israel. Romans 9-11.This does not do away with Israel's future promised Kingdom. Paul's Revelation guarantee's Israel's future.

[@ameliac504]

Hmm I grew up under this….hmmm…

[@jetdriver26]

You need to be critiquing all those other things!

[@ChesterBarkell]

Pastors and leaders of the NAR are preaching a different gospel then what the Bible teaches. They make Jesus a man and not fully man and God like the Bible teaches.The NAR preach you can be come little gods. Bethel teaches this doctrine. If your not healed, its your fault because, your not praying hard enough. This is a false teaching and Bethel teaches this.

[@naomijefferis4709]

From our perspective Bill Johnson teaching kenotic error (denies the deity of Christ) & basically adoptionism (Jesus became the Christ at his baptism) are heresy, as it teaches another Jesus, plus as they say another gospel (focusing on miracles & prophetic downloads, not repentance from sin & faith in Christ alone, so basically Pelagianism or semiPelagian at the very least), and certainly a different spirit to the Holy Spirit as the Bible portrays. Many others are copycat teaching this too, and most of it traces back to WOF teachings... Definitely not the really good news about Jesus as Scripture portrays!! Mark & avoid....

[@stephennelson1687]

They make “prophetic” claims then blame the “unfaithful” church if they don’t materialize. Hank Kunneman is one. Lance Walnau clearly loves the Lord, but pushes the 7 mountains of the kingdom with great frustration that it’s failing. Dutch Sheets seems very much in love with the Lord, but his hopes to save America also seem very unlikely. Mario Murillo preaches the Gospel like crazy then discredits himself with making more about healing than salvation! I think people are misled because they don’t understand DISPENSATIONALISM. They are Replacement Theologians. When the Jews rejected Christ, the kingdom on earth was delayed for them until AFTER the rapture & great tribulation! The Gospels kingdom teaching doesn’t apply now! We aren’t raising the dead in this church dispensation! Sorry! We aren’t healing people; Sorry! We aren’t moving mountains; Sorry! We MUST RETURN to dispensational teaching! No the church is NOT Israel, and the literal kingdom is NOT NOW! Doesn’t an honest look at what’s happening in Israel right now mean ANYTHING biblical to these people? Nope, in fact they HATE it because it supports dispensationalism & they look the other way! SAD.

[@davidcoulter8489]

Go read the book of Acts where miracles were performed by the apostles and layman alike. It was not only apostles that were performing miracles. So I don't know why you believe that only apostles have the authority to perform miracles. Maybe you're creating obstacles to the faith? I know a lot of people who came out of Baptist churches because they were dead churches.

[@54725]

The signs and wonders practiced in these churches are very different from those of the Bible. You will also witness similar manifestations in the occult and other religions. Aren’t you glad though that the Bible warns us clearly and helps us to discern. Thankfully many sheep are now discerning.

[@graceijn]

hey podcast:using words describing these infidels ,like "scholar's" and "creators" are on a whole other level for us all ,,,plz dont randomly use the word "Create,which should only be attributed to God in our day..try instead; invent ,develop, make, form ,design,produce ,build, concoct,fashion,establish etc. but also scholar is another pet peav..lets be mindful ijn

[@revivalmelbourne513]

These guys are still drinking milk! SAD!

[@revivalmelbourne513]

These guys does not have a solution! but goes onto criticise the people who do! Its a shame! IS IT BITTERNESS?

[@revivalmelbourne513]

@@lindamohr8223 Spirit and Truth in other words the Word and the Spirit! Jesus said in John 4:24

[@54725]

No it’s called discernment. You be careful to test every spirit and hold on to the Word of God.

[@paulmerritt2484]

I was raised from the dead. Not by a pastors prayers. By the desperate prayers of my mother. I was long dead in the morgue also. I have seen it come up again recently. This is not strange at all. We can not make any move without God moving. None of us have any special power ourselves. God does it and calls us to pray for these things. Anytime I prayed for someone and they were healed God told me to do it. When I was healed I also heard from the Lord and was told to ask for prayer. The Holy Spirit loves doing this stuff but we also need to submit to the Lord so it can happen. We can not decide who God wants to heal.

[@ryanehlis426]

Jesus warned us about you religious people “be ware of the leaven of the Pharisees”

[@54725]

Hmm they also mentioned this reaction. Maybe you are a new believer but please study the Bible carefully and check the NAR against its teaching. The Holy Spirit will also guide you.

[@ryanehlis426]

@@54725 nope, been walking with the lord 25 years, and I’m a prophet, so according to them I don’t exist. But the Bible talks about the 5 fold ministry and the gifts of the spirit. I’m going to stick with Gods word.

[@jonathandavid9720]

It is Calvinism that is bringing church splits with their Augustinian Meticulous Determinism.

[@keithfuson7694]

Christ only performed miracles by the spirit(finger) of God. It's the Father in Christ who does the works. JN14:10 Ac2:22 Ac10:38 2Cor5:19 Lk4:18. Why don't you believe God's word. Jesus is not the Deity. Only the Father is the only true God and the one God and the only God. Jn17:3 Eph4:6 Rom 16:27 etc. Jesus hasba God. Rv3:12 Jesus is subject to his God. 1Cor15:24,27.

[@keithfuson7694]

Read the NT. Jesus is not the Deity. Jesus son of the Most High God. Mk5:7 Sincd Jesus is not the Most High God then he is not the Deity. There is only one Most High God , the Father. Rv21:22 The Lord God the Almighty is only the Father. The Lamb is not the Most High. Only the Father is called the Most High in the NT. Only the Father is called the only true God. Jn17:3 only the Father us called the one God. 1Cor8:6 Jesys is a flesh and bone man. Jn8:40 Lk24:39 The trinity loses again. The trinity is false a fabrication of mortal fallible confused men 250 years after the apostles.

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​@@keithfuson7694John 1.

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@@joinjen3854 jn17:3 1Cor8:6 Eph4:6 1Tim2:5 Jesus is a flesh man. Jn8:40 Lk24:39 Jesus has a God. Rv3:12 Stop believing the trinity lie. God is one, not three. You are truth denier. Mk12:29,32

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@@keithfuson7694 read everything Jesus Yeshua said. God bless. You created your own religion It is about the entire story from Genesis to Revelation, not cherry picked verses. Are you saved/ born again as in John 3? The Holy Spirit then leads you to truth, not deception.

[@davidschefter4160]

Are you a Oneness Pentecostal?

[@genevievechartrand2282]

Most of this is just slander. What you are saying is not true, especially when you paint everyone by the same strokes.

[@davidcoulter8489]

How much money are you making writing books on this subject? If it's such a disaster to the church, why don't you offer your books for free? Here we go with the music! What theology are we to follow? The Bible or your religion?

[@chriswesterman5331]

Randy Clark, Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, and Cindy Jacobs are some of the most gifted leaders in the church today.

[@54725]

You mean some of the well known false teachers? Why do you scoff at Biblical warnings. Be humble and do your own research in light of scriptures.