Ep. 2: Gerald Horne on The Counter-Revolution of 1836: Slavery, Jim Crow & the Roots of US Fascism

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In this episode, Gerald Horne and I discuss his latest book, The Counter-Revolution of 1836: Texas Slavery & Jim Crow and the Roots of US Fascism.
We also discuss the recent controversy with James Sweet, president of the American Historical Association, over his essay on so-called “presentism,” and certain related problems with Catherine Liu’s book Virtue Hoarders. Dr. Horne also talks about the Haitian Revolution, Juneteenth, and Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale.
I’d Like to thank Prasanna at International Publishers and Malachi Dray for their assistance. I’d also like to give a very special thanks to Jason Moran for the use of his music in this episode.
The Counter-Revolution of 1836: www.intpubnyc.com/browse/the-...
"Thelonious" by Jason Moran, from Thanksgiving at The Vanguard (2017): jasonmoran.bandcamp.com/album...
"For Love" by Jason Moran from The Sound will Tell you (2021): jasonmoran.bandcamp.com/album...
Gerald Horne can be found on Facebook at: / drgeraldhorne
You can follow The April Institute on Twitter: @april_institute
The April Institute will be hosting a virtual discussion entitled “U.S. Fascism: Origins, Patterns, and Continuities” featuring Dr. Horne, Cynthia Miller-Idriss, and Jason Stanley on Friday, November 11, 2022.
The first installment of The April Institute’s antifascist series, “Antifascist Histories and Models for Resistance” takes place on October 14, 2022 and features Charisse Burden-Stelly, Steven J. Ross, and Mark Bray.
Register for free at: www.eventbrite.com/e/antifasc...

[@gregleatherwood5218]

Holy cow! Dr. Horne's presentation is electrifying. He is Zeus atop a Mount Olympus of scholarship throwing bolts of truth that elucidate our current predicament and historical landscape. Bravo on this tour de force! The elemental truth of Dr. Horne's themes should be obvious to all who study our American past. The clarity of his vision and presentation, however, are extraordinary. Thank you.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Thank you! So well put. Dr. Horne truly is a Titan; the admixture of his formidable intellectual prowess and his singular critical energy is a sight to behold.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

"Elucidate"!! Nice usage.

[@gregleatherwood5218]

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 Thanks, Kudjoe!

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

@@gregleatherwood5218 no doubt!!

[@justmyopinion9883]

Dr Horne is a magnificent historian. He is a walking, talking encyclopedia. I wish I could take a class with him. Thank you for sharing this interview with him.

[@kamjiverse]

Dr. Horne is the greatest historian in the world.

[@happygucci5094]

Thank you again for these brilliant offerings 🙏🏽💗 Dr Horne thank you Sir for your years of scholastic excellence and service- brilliant sagacious and inspiring. 🙏🏽💗✊🏽

[@stevenwaddy3761]

Horne's respect for the interviewer helps us all because Horne provides a clarity of thought that shows his respect.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Horne is one of the most generous and charitable scholars I've ever met. ❤️

[@happygucci5094]

Absolutely- never condescending or snarky- a natural educator and brilliant communicator of complex ideas and intricate subject matter. 1000% agree. It’s the confidence coupled with a humility is 🤯👌🏽💯💗🙏🏽 His intelligence and sound knowledge of a plethora of areas is amazing.

[@Shesthrilled1860]

I can listen to Gerald Horne 24 hours a day. Everything makes sense now!

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

We'll have more content for ya soon 🙏 ✊️

[@johnbarnesNnaptown]

Dr. Horne is a treasure.

[@thesamanthahavana]

Ankh Udja Seneb 🌻Love to Dr. Horne🤍 a true treasure. Always teaching always writing. It is truly an honor to read your books. Thank You

[@futureshocked]

"It's like if you go to the doctor presenting lung cancer and he doesn't want to hear about your smoking 2 packs a day for 30 years" DAMN!!!

[@michaelcampbell5849]

I would love for you to expound more on Juneteenth and Texas history from 1865-1867.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

It's in his book!

[@locthiese]

At the 50:20 or so mark. As it pertains to the quote, unquote “indigenous” being Removed.. ..my discernment and admitted limited/baby knowledge tells me that beyond doubt they were all Kcalb. Greetings to you Mr. Ballas and Thank You for this intriguing series with the gentlemen and scholar Mr. Horne.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Greetings back to you, and thank you for the support! More from Dr. Horne forthcoming. 🙏

[@satanscrow8016]

The Science channel did a show about slavery in America in the last two to three weeks ago, and NOT ONCE did they say 'black people'. They called us, ""America's enslaved people" If it wasn't for the pictures of black people working in the fields you would think they were talking about some unheard of race that America also enslaved! Would it kill them to say 'black'? Apparently so.

[@azt69boyz72]

always a pleasure to hear Professor Horne. I was introduced to him when he was a guest on a weekly show on WBAI in New York. I bought Race War! and Black and Brown. The breath taking hypocrisy of the founders of this country remain unparalleled. During the war of 1812 freed blacks who had fled to Canada were in the British forces that routed Wade Hampton in battles along the border. I wonder if Prof Horne knows if the British forces that sacked Washington DC during that war included a Jamaican regiment of foot?.

[@budali3d]

Good discussion

[@Kwasimitsu]

Great information, thanks for the presentation. Why wasn’t the Liberian option pursued as opposed to places like Cypress Ecuador, and Dominican Republic?

[@mobybongo]

Love this interview - QUESTION around 55:00 Gerald Horne talks about "a book called Net Country ..." ... net country? KNET country? - Do you know what book (or subject) he is talking about? - Keep up the excellent work De Facto/Anthony B. ...

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Thanks for the question, let me double check that for you. And thanks for the kind words!

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

www.amazon.com/Nut-Country-Right-Wing-Southern-Strategy/dp/022620538X?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=05ee36ac-5171-47bd-b760-aeb613c9542b

[@mobybongo]

@@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576 THANKS! ... oh, he says "NUT country" - makes sense (unfortunately) ... Power to the People!

[@geekmeee]

I would love to hear Dr. Horne’s thoughts on the origin of White Supremacy.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Check out his book The Dawning of the Apocalypse.

[@dannygonzales7923]

EITHER GOP CONSERVATIVE OR LIBRAL DEMS WE HAVE NO FRIENDS IN THOSE WHO OPPRESS US FOR THE COLONIAL ENEMY IS UNITED IN MAINTAINING THE COLONIAL EMPIRE !!!!!!!

[@michaelcampbell5849]

Was Texas still in slavery, after 1865 Galveston aka Juneteenth? Was slavery still thriving in 1866 and ended in Austin Texas? Was East Texas in Beaumont still in slavery in 1866?

[@johnbarnesNnaptown]

I always wondered if it were true that the majority of textbooks used in America are printed in Texas and if they are used to influence thought.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Definitely not a coincidence!!

[@elvistorres8565]

Wonder when the Counter-Revolution of 1963 will come out

[@unit023]

Dr. Horne on 🔥 as usual! WTF is "presentism"? It's ridiculous

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Straight 🔥. Never misses. If you really want to be masochistic, look up James Sweet American Historical Association Presentism on Google.... Thanks for watching! ✌️

[@syourke3]

No, it’s not! Gerald Horne is a fraud, like the 1619 Project, he’s pushing a political agenda and distorting history in a huge way. You should read some of the professional criticism of Horne. They are right!

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

@@syourke3 care to share the criticism in question?

[@syourke3]

What is really “ridiculous” is that many people are being indoctrinated with racist nonsense like the 1619 Project and frauds like Gerald Horne! Slavery had nothing to do with the American Revolution which was a progressive revolution that championed freedom and the abolition of slavery while Great Britain profited greatly from the slave trade and actually supported the south in the American Civil War! Do you want to learn the truth about the American Revolution or do you want to listen to lies and frauds that serve a present political agenda?

[@syourke3]

I’ve posted critical articles on this site but they do not appear. Have you deleted them?

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

Why has this video gone to black with no audio?

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

Is it still like that? Works from my end

[@JoeyAfrika]

Setler colonialism is a rough house airBnB lol

[@davidkaiser]

Wow, that first question sure was a model of impartiality. . . .. NOT.

[@defactopodcastwithanthonyb576]

good one